I know it's wrong to say this but i think oy, that the ringleader(s) behind the scapegoat must have survived the nuremburg trials "in a controversial decision to clear him of all charges" oy. "Let's just hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound"(got it from GTA 3 radio oy.just started playing it months ago.

P.S. I'm acting contradictory from the Rule of Rose comment and being all prejudist just like the conservatives oy, but we can fight fire with fire ,can't we oy?

Hmmm... it couldn't be his self image, could it? Someone who referrs to himself as a loser and has what looks like suicidal tendencies...


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nawww... lets blame the games!

Odd how different games in different countries have the 'same effect', not one American School shooter was 'influenced by Counter Strike'.

Which just goes to show how much of a scapegoat they are being made into.

Also note that the debate about violent games in Germany is far beyond regulation : it's about a ban of violent games, pure and simple.

I play CS 1.6 & CS:S all the time and i safely say that i have never had the urge to bring a gun to school. It's so sad we have to keep reading this same kind of story over and over. It's like they have some sort of mad lib for these kind of storys. "name" went on a rampage in "state/country" at "school name" and (killed/wounded) "#of people" people. Now we ban "name of game" because we know it had something to do with it.

"not one American School shooter was ‘influenced by Counter Strike’."

I think thats because no one who attacks videogames in america has ever heard of CS. And if they have, they dont know what it is and don't care. Untill they can pin it on a killing that is.

Counter-strike = depression?

Hitler totally played Counter Strike. That's the only logical explanation.

Quote, "Armed with a variety of weapons..."

Nope, guns didn't kill people. Video games killed people. Why aren't THEY regulated more strictly?

And another comment on the same forum :

"It proves that 'Counter-Strike : Source' is for nOObs. An 'America's Army' player would have killed 17 people"

Wow, someone is disturbed and shoots people because no one will help him, blame the video games, he killed people and was disturbed and was clearing breaking into “insane” but yet, video games made him do it. Wow, what fucking retards

But every single one of those millions of people who played Counterstrike has gone on a killing spree! It must be the games!



Until someone can make the above statement while being 100% honest (with whatever video game applies in place of Counterstrike), I will never, ever understand these people's logic...

Wow, someone is disturbed and shoots people because no one will help him, blame the video games, he killed people and was disturbed and was clearing breaking into "insane" but yet, video games made him do it. Wow, what fucking retards

before taking his own life

Actually, there's some confusion on that from what I've heard. The police aren't talking, and an autopsy is scheduled to determine if he killed himself with his saw-off rifle, or if one of his home-made smoke bombs blew up in his face.

Considering how long he was in the school, for someone who "literally trained" on a first person shooter, which we all know turns you into a marksman who can outshoot goverment agents (or was that 3rd person shooters... ;)) he had terrible aim.

I thought it was strange that he attacked his junior high school and not his high school, but then I realized that in Germany some junior high schools go up to the tenth grade.

"During a news conference, prosecutor Wolfgang Schwer said:

Based on the note, he appears to have acted out of general frustration and a feeling his life had lost all meaning."

It's so great to have experts to break this stuff down for us!

If you would take the subject at hand a little more seriously, you could easily know that CS is one of the most (if not the most) played FPS game online.
"In 2004, GameSpy statistics showed over 85,000 players simultaneously playing Counter-Strike at any point in time, and in 2006, Steam regularly shows over 200,000 players for Counter-Strike".
If Counter-Strike was indeed responsible for teens becoming killers, the effect would certainly be felt globally and certainly more often.

It's obvious why he didn't kill anybody. In the German version of CSS, when you "kill" someone they just lay down on the ground and put their hands behind their head. So when he shot his victims and they fell to the floor, he thought he was done.

I think we need to take a look at his kill/death ratio on Counter-Strike. I think he was just an angry noob who got so frustrated at everyone pwning him that he decided to go shoot up a place, just like in all those CS-related Flash videos.

I think something far more dangerous then "games cause violence" is starting to form for the games industry.

It's that heavy gaming (especially with violent games) is a sign/symptom of people prone to violence... much as looking at various types of porn can be a sign of various sexual preferences.

Nobody is going to know the exact difference between how violent movies densensitize us to violence (which is proven), and how violent intereactive media pushes that further (and it's starting to pan out that it probably does).

My greatest fear is that people will start to take playing violent games as a sign that you might have an underlying problem which is part of the reason you're attracted to that type of entertainment.

[...] ZDNet featured a news story titledViolent games blamed for German school attack. A man stormed his school, wounded 27 people, and then committed suicide. Due to this fascination with war simulation and video games, government officials are now calling for a ban on “killer games”. GamePolitics.com has also covered this news story. [...]

It’s obvious why he didn’t kill anybody. In the German version of CSS, when you “kill” someone they just lay down on the ground and put their hands behind their head. So when he shot his victims and they fell to the floor, he thought he was done.

Even when they get fragged? "Ow, I've been splodied, better take a nap..."

@Michael T

I can't speak in great detail about Bundeswehr SOP, but with a few rare exceptions like Switzerland and (in some caes) Israel soldiers are not allowed to keep their weapons at home. Also, psychiatric evaluation is expensive and time consuming and so not standard for soldiers unless they're pursuing a specific career path that A) involves high security clearance and there's some question raised during the standard BG checks and/or B) involves specialized training (In the US for example SF or SFOD-D selection, Sniper, etc require a basic MMPI/CPI evaluation).

Bundeswehr conscription is a 9-month term, the minimum age for which is 18, and 3 months of which are occupied by basic training. In other words, At -most- this guy qualified with the G-36 and perhaps a few other weapons in Basic, and -perhaps- had one or two days at the range in the six months of active duty -assuming- he's almost nineteen and had already served his entire commitment, and assuming that he even went to the Bundeswehr in the first place instead of the various civilian alternatives (less than one in five conscripts actually go military in Germany now, apparently).

His weapons were two muzzleloading rifles and a muzzleloading pistol, including the suicide weapon (15mm ball, which means about a .60 caliber ball if I'm doing my math right), and a Kleinkalibergewehr (small caliber rifle, but from a context search I'm tentatively translating it as "target rifle" as in the accurized .22LR rifles you see used in marksmanship competitions and the olympics).

In short, I don't think the military was involved in this one in any way.

@Stefan

Interstingly he was supposed to appear in court over an “illegal weapons posession” charge or something to that effect. Probably didn’t have a license.

I believe it was for carrying a handgun in public, which is illegal in Germany.

Correction:
He didn't go to a Gymansium, but one schooltype lower that goes to the 10th grade. But he just finished school and worked in unskilled jobs.
In that case it isn't unusual to be conscripted several years later (they can do that until 23) so that people have time for a 2.5-3.5 year apprenticeship.

As for the pictures. You can easily buy camoflage cloths in specialized shops or online. But most of them were more Matrix/Neo-like with long leather trenchcoats

Okay, everyone. Please don't tell me where you are. I was checking on my hard drive and... Counter-Strike is on it. Now DON'T PANIC! Don't Panic. I think I can control myself for a few days but, just make sure that I can't find out where any of you live. I don't want to hurt anyone. If any of you have ever posted your address on the internet,please, RUN! I don't want to be able to find you... I don't want to hurt you.
After seeing so many articles about psycho video game killers, I know it's inevitable that I'm going to become a mass murderer.

It makes sense to me. If 3 million people play a game or watch a movie/show or listen to a song/band (let's face it, this isn't the first media people have tried to censor) and just two of them kill people it has got to be the fault of the game's/movie's/show's/song's/band's fault! We have got to ASSume that all the poeple who enjoy it will soon go on a bloody killing rampage that will end in suicide. We have got to protect the children! If that means we have to ban movies, games, music, and even sex, then so be it. You're only an adult your entire life. You're a kid for a few years!

Makes alot of sense eh? It's like Muetank said. They have a game of madlibs they play:

We must ban/regulate (noun) to protect the children from (verb). This kind of (adjective) entertainment will only lead to (verb) in our (adjective) (noun). We owe it to our future (noun) to (verb) this.

That sounds about right.

@ Daniel
Way to go man! You made a great point! People who are mentally unstable or violent maybe, and probably are, drawn to violent entertainment, but that doesnt mean that they, or anyone else, will behave in a violent and destructive manner. When we finally learn to find and treat the source not just the symptom society will be better off. Just hope we all grow up sooner rather than later. Besides what is recorded history if not violence and war? Maybe we should ban history?

I'm gonna say it again. Protect your children. Don't protect me.

A quote from an opposition Green's party member sounds quite sane compared to everything else.

Quote from Sydney Morning Herald (Australia):
"Volker Beck, a leading Greens member of parliament, said it would be better to focus the debate on the proper use of computers and not jump to conclusions before it was clear what motivated Bosse."

[...] As reported by GamePolitics,  an 18-year-old Counter-strike player assaulted his former middle school in November, wounding a reported 37 people before taking his own life. [...]

i think this it pathetake tat all is the fault of the game!

u also see lots of thing on TV like army movies


if they consider to banned those games they need to consider banning TV to

simple as that... or it never ends

This story is really sad I hope that every thing is ok know

Uh huh. I play almost all violent games. I read "War Dogs" by Nik-Urhenik, an extremely violent and sex-filled, over-the-top Vietnam war book. I look at porn. I shoot guns at paper and hills for fun.

And yet the most violent things I've brought to school were cap gun ammunition (by accident) and a Nerf dart (forgot I put it in my jacket pocket). I'm the one who's being ATTACKED by these kinds of crazy people. A kid who recently threatened to stab me in the neck was caught and arrested one morning at school, and apparently they're trying to keep what he had on him under wraps. I say he brought a switchblade in his pocket to make good on his threat.

And yet I have never known him to play video games. He's just a football player who resembles Steve Urkel.

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