8-year-old Slams Bill O'Reilly for Blaming Violence on Games, Music

8-year-old Slams Bill O'Reilly for Blaming Violence on Games, Music

December 11, 2006
Recently GamePolitics reported on conservative pundit Bill O'Reilly's view that iPods, video games and the like would be the ruination of modern society:
...did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them? …I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there.

Following an appearance on Oprah in which O'Reilly apparently made similar comments, a controversial YouTube video appeared in which a young girl offered an opinionated rebuttal on a variety of topics. The video is obviously edited footage and it's clear the girl has been coached. Her skewering of O'Reilly wanders into a generalized attack on religion and Republicans, and is sure to offend many.

Recently, O'Reilly fired back. 



GP: The YouTube videos of the O'Reilly Oprah appearance which sparked this controversy have been yanked over copyrights, but the Oprah show has some transcripts from O'Reilly's appearance.  The controversial Fox host, by the way, is hawking a book, Culture Warrior, which probably explains a lot.

Comments

"Ultimate inhumane treatment of a child"? That's absolutely horrible, regardless of what the kid was saying.
Havent anti videogame crusaders used children to protest against games such as Bully?

I mean as far as child abuse goes the girl looked as though she was having fun. Comparing this to raping children is just patronising.
Not only was using a child like that unethical, it was unwise. Now, Bill and the rest of his cohorts can just sit and blast the fact that a child was made to say this, and not actually rebuke any of her points.

Congratulations, parents of child. You've just given conservative pundits everywhere a good reason to continue with their one-sided tripe.
Ya know, if they're so worried about the damage that might be done by having so many people know this girl's face and her inflamatory views then maybe, just MAYBE, they shouldn't have broadcasted it on nationwide television?
About Bill O'Reilly's comments, as I've already said : relax, it's just Bill O'Reilly ! You know, as a Frenchman, if I had to take into account every little thing he said about my country or my people, I'd become totally insane...
I just read the Oprah transcripts... He really hates the Dutch, doesn't he?
I like the line where he says he hates the media except for the Chicago Tribune. The CT is consistently coming under fire for a lack of research, not double-checking their sources, AND has worked with a near conflict of interest regarding the sports world.

Seems fitting that it would be a paper that O'reilly is attached to.
Funny thing is, the girl is an actress, the broadcast is an advert for the band The Bastard Fairies (Bill deliberately left off the end of the video which effectively says this) and was recorded professionally ;)
So employing child actors is a form of child abuse? Looks like Disney has some answering to do.
"Looks like Disney has some answering to do."

Britney Spears ? Christina Aguilera ? Justin Timberlake ? Come in here, please...
You'd think that someone who specializes in child abuse could think of something worse than having a child read some lines.
Wow. This is must be scripted or want talented ass child. But child abuse? That is what i think is a stupid thing to say regarding this video. "Ohhh lets target a video of a girl speaking her mind or reading a script than a man having sex with her or a phycical abuse video which you can see anywhere on the net." What about the first ammendment. what if she was speaking the truth. And if not than how could this be child abuse. eather im blind or moronic but i see no child endangerment.
"You’d think that someone who specializes in child abuse could think of something worse than having a child read some lines."

They are putting her eternal soul at risk. That is far worse than her getting sodomised by a half dozen old men.
I must say, that was the most adorable response to an O'Reilly argument in the history of responses to an idiot. This video, however, was also the stupidest response in the history of an idiot arguing with a child.
'What about the first ammendment. what if she was speaking the truth. And if not than how could this be child abuse. eather im blind or moronic but i see no child endangerment.'

Well, look at it this way, if this is child abuse by making her read someone else's opinion from a script, then every nativity play in the country is also child abuse by Bill's description of it.
I bet this qualifies for bill.oreilly.justgotowned.com
Pretty low for someone to use their child to send a message they don't have the balls to do themselves.
She's a paid acress, the video was done by a professional team as an advertisement for a band.

Oddly enough, they used Bill's own technique for popularity, and he fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
"I must say, that was the most adorable response to an O’Reilly argument in the history of responses to an idiot. This video, however, was also the stupidest response in the history of an idiot arguing with a child. "

Priceless. Thanks a lot guys for posting this up, since I really can't bear to watch O'Reilly unless absolutely necessary. And by necessary, I mean forcing me to upon threat of death. Linked this over on dtoid: http://www.destructoid.com/little-girl-responds-to-o-reilly-bill-acts-li...
Didn't O'Reilly write a book for children? By that, I don't mean like a Dr. Seuss thing, but a book where he could instill his political views into them at an early age? "The No Spin Zone for Kids" or something like that? If it's not what I think it is, please enlighten me.
wow I saw this on youtube the other day and thoguht it was funny. What's even funnier is how they are using the media to make the girl look bad because she, or whoever put her up to it becuase they disagree. On top of that they are fear mongering to make it look like child abuse? WTF.
I highly doubt this can be really seen as child abuse, at least not the "ultimate" way that talking head next to O'Reilly was trying to make it look. It's obvious that portion was specifically manufactured to garner ratings.

And the video of the little girl had a point, O'Reilly slams music and video games for supposed youth violence when the Republicans, the people that currently have the power in the White House, have been killing lots of people over in Iraq so they don't have much room to talk. Besides, if they have had any real facts, then they'd know that youth crime rates have significantly dropped since 1992, which was oh!, coud it be?, the release of Mortal Kombat?!
This isn't about child abuse. It's about O'Reilly's over-inflated ego being bruised by some little girl and some band I have never heard of. To be honest, it's akin to some message board troll getting his ass handed to him by a forum regular. Rather than ignore it because it hit home, he has to dish out a shitty rebuttal.

Boo-fucking-hoo, Reilly.
I'm preety mixed on this one.........................

Eh, i don't think the religion-bashing was that creative, but it's great that someone's opposing bill o' reily.
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@ O' Reily:

O RLY?


In Bill's world, when someone uses a child actor it is horrible horrible child abuse. When he warps the minds of young people by trying to convince them that the french want to eat them and that athiests hate christmas it is perfectly normal and acceptable.
I'm a conservitive and I can't stand O'Reilly a lot of the time

I may not like a lot of the things that he is also against, but the way he trys to justify his opinion is not only degrading, but just insulting to moderate conservitives everywhere
I can't believe some of the responses in this topic. If the kid was paid to say all liberals are donkey rapists and will burn in hell, there'd be all kinds of bitching, but since she's calling out O'Reilly everyone cheers. Paying a kid to read a script of your own political beliefs isn't child abuse, but it is bullshit.
Well, had O'Reilly stated that it was bullshit and given his opinions why he considered it so, then there'd probably be a whole different set of responses, but the fact is he DID call it child abuse, which means he'd rather try and promote a knee-jerk reaction than actually debate her points.

For my part, I'm in the UK, so I wouldn't give a damn what she called either party btw.
I saw t he video of the kid when it came out. I hated it then and I hate it now. I don't like O'Reilly, so I'm not going to hunt down a transcript of what he said. It ain't child abuse, but the parents seem to be jerks 1)because tehy care so much what O.Reilly thinks and 2) because they obviously think their kid is such a precious little darling. For either reason they deserve to be ignored.
"If the kid was paid to say all liberals are donkey rapists and will burn in hell, there’d be all kinds of bitching"

Oddly enough, I don't think that would be the case. i think the liberals would proceed to respond to the dokey rapist allegations, and the quantifiable dangers to society as a whole. I dare say the liberals would accept burning in hell as a fair consequence for mule abuse, if that indeed is what's going on . . .
Gee Bill, maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd recognize a promotional stunt when you saw one. But I guess you're too worried about your ratings to care about something like "research"...

Hope he doesn't find that tape of my nephew lighting a gasoline pentagram in a field and cackling like a madman. Of course he was 8, and playing a part in a school horror movie, but hey, for all Bill knows we were converting him to Satanism...
I sent this letter via email to Fox News. I don't expect to hear back, or fully expect to have my words twisted about.
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To Whom It May Concern:

I happened across a digital video of this report: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjc9g1-4ytI&eurl). I would like to point out a couple of inaccuracies contained in it.

First, this video was not created as political propaganda by the girl's parents, or "nuts" as Mr. O' Reilly terms them. It was a professionally filmed video using a child actor. It was created for a music group, whose message is summed up therein. Also, the original video of the girl states this explicitly at the summation of the video. I was able to confirm this in less than five minutes using web searches (Google/YouTube).

Here are links that confirm the video's source:

http://www.thebastardfairies.com/Site%202/THE%20BASTARD%20FAIRIES%20Meme...

http://www.myspace.com/thebastardfairies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o&eurl

Taken from above: "OFFICIAL STATEMENT: THIS VIDEO FEATURES A TALENTED YOUNG ACTRESS PLAYING A FICTITIOUS CHARACTER. IT IS A COMMERCIAL FOR THE BAND 'THE BASTARD FAIRIES' AND DIRECTED BY AN AWARD WINNING DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKING TEAM."

Second, the "Child Advocate", Wendy Murphy, that appeared next to Mr. O' Reilly is mistaken. There is absolutely no child abuse contained in that video, implicit or explicit, as defined by the Federal Government.

See: http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.cfm

I would politely suggest that Mr. O' Reilly's news team finds better 'experts,' perhaps one less shrill and hysterical, and one who is familiar with what is considered to be child abuse by our Federal Government. Unless Wendy Murphy is making the claim that all child acting is abuse. You will find that this claim, apart from being absurd, puts her in an actionable position because child acting is strictly regulated by the film industry so as to not harm the well being of the child. If that video is child abuse, then the makers of the movies, "Goonies," and, "The Sandlot," had better be locked up.

I am confused that a senior news personality, who sells his persona as a dedicated, "no-spin" news source, would run this segment as a serious news piece. The piece was not researched, and left out certain facts. Mr. O' Reilly used this glaring omission to further his own agenda - I dare say this type of broadcasting is "spin" of the purest sort.

I realize that Mr. O' Reilly finds that video's message offensive. That is perfectly reasonable; the double-edged sword of Free Speech cuts both ways. However, instead of disagreeing using a reasoned argument, Mr. O' Reilly has simply set the video up as a "Straw Man," doing nothing to counter it but attack the medium, leaving the message wholly intact. I'd be willing to bet that the free publicity Mr. O’ Reilly has provided the band has given that video a voice to be reckoned with, and assured that many millions of children and teenagers will have access to it's message.

Thank you for your time.
Scumbag Parents and well we all know O'Reilly is a scumbag as well. Who ever allowed their kid in the video well, I'll state for the 10,000,000,000 time , you should have a license to be a parent. Since it's come out that this is band promotional video, it's sad that O'Reilly didn't cover all of the facts but he is known for that.

Bleh both sides of this disgust me.
*sigh* I've really got my work cut out for me come Christmas when I have to point out everything wrong with O'Reily's "arguments" to my relatives that like his poor excuse for news reporting.
The parent's should sue him for defamation of character and slander.
So was I the only one who stopped watching after the I-Podinator graphic showed up? It really worries me when conservative pundits use something like that (for a serious "report") without realizing that it makes them look extremely crazy.
If it weren't for the fact that there hadn't been a story that could use it yet, I could've sworn that they just stole the graphic from the Colbert Report.
@Ohma

I myself kept watching. I mean, a news report with "OH NOES, DA MACHINES!" as it's starting point? You know it's just going to go downhill quickly. At the end of the day, it's comforting to know that most Fox viewers are half-baked chiuauas who lap up every word that twit says.

That and the Colbert Report jokes become even funnier when you see what they're based on. ;)
@Ohma

I kept watching, but I did bang my head on my desk in hopes that I was in some twisted nightmare where ignorance and stupidity were allowed to run rampant and that would wake me up. Unfortunately I was still in the real world, so now I just have a headache.
1jeffy is right. She's an actress. I don't see anything wrong with what she did. Let me add that O'Reilly has stated the he doesn't believe that the 1st Amendment applies to children (when the courts have already ruled that it does.) He's just making these ridiculous claims because he can't handle his huge ego being bruised by an 8 year-old.
I disagree that religion has been the sole cause of violence. While many wars have been fought over religion, many others haven't. However, I applaud this brave girl and I don't think she was coerced into saying that. Video games weren't around when the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan killed bunches and bunches of innocent people. She's absolutely right. I think this girl believes this and is a hero for saying it. I started to defend violent video games very strongly when I was twelve, so I think that an eight year old can also have strong opinions about this.

To say that she was coached and that this is child abuse, is ridiculous. Just because she's young, doesn't mean that she can't have an authentic opinion about this. Also what about all the people that have convinced crazy people, who have gone on killing sprees, to say that violent video games made them do it. Jack Thompson, and anti-game acitivists, coerce people into saying things. This girl shouldn't be shrugged off as wrong because she's young. I have one thing to say about this girl's intelligence level and awesome comments on this issue that most adults can't even figure out. *APPLAUSE*
That was painful to watch.
Personally, I find the use of child actors (Amateur OR professional) to be a contemptible and manipulative way of promoting any message. I agree that O'Reilly's response is asinine and out of touch, but that doesn't make this little promotional stunt any more appealing. In this incident, BOTH sides are wrong.
My favorite part is how "appalled" O'RLY is that this girl is "being used as a pawn in a political agenda" or whatever when politicans and various people/groups have been doing this for decades. Peaceaholics? Or every time a bill is signed "for the children" like a certain California bill sponsered by some guy named Leyland Yee.
Religion HAS caused more violence then video games supposedly have and continues to, just look at the middle east war between shi ites and sunni and the crusades. I'm not saying go ban religion because there are peaceful religions (like Buddhism) and most religious violence comes from people distorting or completely ignoring the original intent of the religion.

Back on topic I think that it is scripted since I highly doubt a little girl would come up with that conclusion. I also think that person could get his point acorss better if he said it himself, unless he speaks with a lisp or is a cigarette addict who speaks with a hole in his throat, still though that was too painfully scripted.
Father Time, you spoke the truth. It isn't religion that is the problem which too many people think it is, it's some of the religious people who warp the original intent of the religion. Thanx for pointing that out! Rock on!
@Father Time

Read the other comments. This was scripted. Specifically it was a paid actress doing a promotional thing for a band. Somewhere along the way the specific disclaimer that that's what this was got chopped off of the video.
I really wish people in the US would stop treating Fox News or those reporting on it as anything more than hack sensationalism. Virtually no one outside the US considers them anything but a joke and considering what they do actualy journalism is why O'Reilly et al. succeed.
"Using a child in propoganda is child abuse"? Wait wait wait. Politicians do that all the time when they stand kids up around them and say "I'm trying to protect the children" when they pass video game legislation. Is that child abuse? What a bunch of hypocracy. Hell, I even saw one politician surround himself with kids so the press wouldn't say some really 'horrible things' about some 'misconduct' he did.

Someone give Bill a nice Boot To The Head. I guess now that he's "won" the War On The War On Christmas, he has to find some other way to torture people.
Googling for "Wendy Murphy" (the supposed expert in this story) turns up some fascinating results.
Oh this is grand, the only one to rebuttal against O'Reilly's stupid views are a bunch of left wing assholes who have some stupid band and apparently think anyone who is a Christian or a republican is evil and stupid?!?

So the only way to battle stupidity is with even more stupidity?!?
Actually, there's a lot of rebuttals to O'Reilly on You-Tube, thing is most of them aren't publicised because Billy Boy can't try to spin them into his own agenda. He could hardly do a story on 'Today, a 30 year old man pointed out my hypocrisy to me.' so these get overlooked.
Sorry for the double post, but the true irony is that Bill has probably just earned these people a record contract, so rather than fighting what he percieves as 'immoral society', he's probably doing a great deal to promote it.
.. You know what this reminds me of.. a few weeks back Bush visited a country and CNN and USA today (Only paper I can get for free at my college) claimed that there were massive protests against Bush. The pictured they showed were mostly of a sea of children with adults scattered throughout...

Anyone else find that kind of funny?

No one rebuts him because no one gives a damn about him. Remember that guy who lived in California who declared himself emperor of the United States. People thought it was kind of funny and they humored him.

As for the religion. People will always warp things to fit their views. Humans are violent, however as we have progressed we have learned to curb that impulse. However we have also come to the point where we view force as always wrong. Not everything has a diplomatic solution. Not everyone is rational. Sometimes a fight is necessary.
If you ever watched charmed, there was a epesode where a person was protesting taxes. In order to do so, the only way anyone would ever listen to her, was if she was to get naked.

Its pretty much the same thing here, except for the naked part. Billy paid attention, but unforutantly made the parents to be evil.
Picho... no. haha i'm really sorry but this is real life, not charmed. People watch O reilly's show and most take his point of view. This video was not needed and just a dumb thing to do. It makes everyone that shares that point of view look like an 'evil', irresponsible, and unethical person. That video did just the opposite of what it was intended for, way to go folks.
...Do you americans hace THIS as news!? When I saw the face of Terminator and the comment of "the rise of machines being a menace to mankind", I doubted if his words would have any credibility. O_o
@David
thats fox news for you, most idiotic crap that attempts to be news.
I saw the video of the girl and I was surprised when I found out she was an actor. I was all like, "Wow! That kid's good!"

Granted, I don't jive with everything she says (i.e. Religion as the scapegoat for the source of violence), but I do agree there's a WHOLE lotta stupid going on.

And good ol' Billy's the Grand Pumba of Stupid.
"And you know what the worst part is...?"

O'Reilly exploiting a child to earn his paycheck?

It's okay though. O'Reilly will get his sooner or later and we will all be able to laugh at him. You know what they say. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Get that girl a real job.

Bash religion for the violence in society? That's going way too far now; however, don't blame the girl for being an actress, blame those half-assed i-want-to-be-noticed-for-political-views-and-interest ids for writing that mess in the first place.

It's not religion; it's politics.

Religion has become too far a big influence on politics: obviously some independent is going to go and spread his misfortune to hook up some supporters on his idea.. using a worthless waste of effort on his opposable campaign.

I'm a truly saved Christian, and an avid Gamer. I'm not on the streets killing people. It's the insane people that kill people.
Save a mad man - prosecute a Christian.

They have to hate Bill O'Reilly just because they can't save the world.
Lol, religion advocates.
For a lawyer with a long history of abuse cases, Wendy Murphy knows very little about what actually constitutes abuse.

Check Here for a brief summation of her legal career. It seems she has a tendancy to interpret events in the most deviant way possible. Even when reality is quite clearly the opposite.
Does her statement count as Godwin's Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
So republicans are responsible for all the wars and violence too eh?

Considering that the federalist party which has since spawned into the Democratic Party was responsible for a majority of the early wars, I find that laughable
ultimate inhumane treatment of a child?? LOL
they are saying that it is worse than child abuse, rape, and even killing a child

I FUCKING HATE BILL O'REILY
ah Blustering bill'o what can I say..the fact you let a child "actor" get to you should say it all....

Grimm22
republicans tend to go to war for the stupidest reasons dems tend to do it as humanitarian aid one is the dems usealy have plan not always but most of the time the reps prefer subterfuge and endless quagmires.
[...] The video game industry covers a wide range of genres, but some of the most popular games allow players to engage in serious simulated violence.  At the same time, your local evening news broadcast is filled with reports on violence in schools and gang violence. But are video games (and rap music, and Elvis Presley, and Jazz, and, uhh… flappers?) really to blame for violence among our youths? Culture warrior Bill O’Reilly thinks so, as he told Oprah recently.  He has a whole book on this and many other subjects which he ties together under the umbrella of the “Culture War” - basically, traditionalists defending America versus secular-progressives who want drastic changes through undemocratic means. I can’t show you the first part of this debate, as it has been removed by the copyright holder.  Suffice it to say that a traditionalist like O’Reilly thinks taking away the XBox controller (or Wii remote) and replacing it with a Bible is the right way to lessen violent crime among our young people. Here’s a link to a promo that may or may not cover it - I can’t get it to play. Now, I won’t debate O’Reilly here, in a forum he has no awareness of or interest in. Instead I will present the debate the broadcaster did have with an 8-year-old-girl: [...]
Part I find most amusing about this besides the actors statements is o'reily said "We know who these parents are" so either A) He really didnt know and lied or B) They knew it was a band making fun of him and decided to try and lied about the actual facts anyways. Damned if you do damned if you don't o'reilly.... lmao
As a side note to all the bible thumpers reading this as far as wulf's statement goes:

"They are putting her eternal soul at risk. That is far worse than her getting sodomised by a half dozen old men."

Let me say this worry about your own soul and let me worry about mine. Keeping your nose out of others business is a tried and true way of preventing violence. If the parents of that child where not worried about her soul than neither should you. Your religion is not right for everyone same as judaism, islam, buddism, or any other religion i didn't mention. Live and let live.

And yes wulf I realize I took liberties with your statement you where expressing how you felt on the matter I just wanted to point out a little fact of exsistance and your comment left a nice opening for it.
Jatone, just to clarify I was being sarcastic in that comment. The whole situation demonstrates just how far out of touch with reality these people are.

That shrieking expert's reaction gave me the impression that they were about to go linch the girl's parents. It's a shame they don't go after pedophiles with as much zeal as they do people who teach their kids to think critically.
I love Bill O'Reilly and watch him regularly, though I don't exactly agree with what he has to say about video games.
An actress is hired to make a video. What's the big deal?

She's a kid.

So kids act in film and television all the time.

Making her say those things is child abuse.

What, and a kid in a horror flick isn't?

Sorry Mr. O'Reily, but your argument fails to do anything but make me laugh. Hard.

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