
Back in 2001, Indianapolis, led by Mayor Bart Peterson, passed
one of the first video game laws in the country, barring children from playing violent games in coin-op arcades.
The video game and arcade industries quickly appealed and the Indianapolis law was thrown out by a federal judge who declared it unconstitutional.
Five years later, Mayor Peterson is still crusading against media violence. The
Associated Press reports on comments made by Peterson at the National League of Cities convention in Reno, Nevada.
Peterson, the newly-elected president of the organization, pointed to what he said is a growing body of research showing a connection between aggressiveness and violence in video games, music, movies and TV.
The Indianapolis mayor also wondered whether violent games and shows could be responsible for school shootings.
Can media violence be blamed in part for tragedies like Columbine? All I know is that when I was a kid there were disaffected students, students who felt ostracized ... but they didn't shoot up their schools. Something has changed.
Most don't follow up hours of video-game violence with criminal acts, but can we ignore the connection when we have evidence of many who do, and when we see so plainly that our society is cruder and our crime rates are rising?
In his acceptance speech Peterson told the convention he would like to start a national dialogue on media violence.
I don't expect us to find clear-cut, irrefutable answers to the questions posed today ... but we will be in a better position a year from now to talk with parents and our other constituents about media violence.
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"when I was a kid there were disaffected students, students who felt ostracized … but they didn’t shoot up their schools. Something has changed."
True, but in the 60's, although students didn't shoot up their schools, some of them thought about it, and maybe wanted to do it. How can I say that ? Just read Stephen King's first novel, "Rage", that he wrote when he was a teenager, then published years later under the nickname of Richard Bachman. In this book, a bullied kid kills one of his teachers, takes his classmates into hostages, and ends up crazy.
For info, this book was found in the desk of Michael Carneal, the Paducah shooter. Of course I'm not saying Carneal killed because of "Rage" (or "Doom" or "Basketball Diaries"). But I guess I can understand why he liked this book. And I guess King wrote at that time what a lot of bullied kids had in mind. All they need was one of them to pull the trigger, and that's what happened.
Was discipline higher then? Well, sort of, parents could beat their kids and do lots of other thiings that would be considered too violent in todays society. So as the alleged violence of parenting has decreased, the alleged violence in youth has increased. That in itself is an interesting theory to study... but still nothing to do with computer games.
I can't really say I can "plainly" see this. Classic "begging the question" argument.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't most of that "evidence" consist of "Subject played ____, then did ____ at some point in the future, therefore the game is the direct cause" type arguments?
I hate arguments like this. There are millions of people who play videogames, and how many people who have actually done anything like shoot up a school? Even compared to the overall amount of violence (about 2,500 cases in 1997, so it's probably lower by now), that's not a whole lot.
These days, there's a lot less respect for teachers. There's a lot less respect in general... and that has nothing to do with videogames.
Agreed that some things have changed, as all things in time. But video games shouldnt be the only problem. Gun laws have become a little more forgiving (in some states). And as stated above, kids today seem to have little respect for their elders. Also, prehaps in the past, school shootings were not reported on as much as today. Todays news is more about shock value to get ratings. So they pritty much report on anything that will get people to watch, like fires, school shooting, car crashes, etc. But besides all that, what ever happend to people just being crazy? No one can just be crazy any more, no, now they must have been infliuenced by some demon of the day that "told" them to go on some rampage.
While this hasn't changed overall, these days it's spoken about more. Attempts in anti-bullying campaigns to quell the problem are more active than they were as little as 3 decades ago.
But those campaigns sometimes seem more like lip service. They don't take on the abusers themselves. They don't make the abusers sound like the scum they are. They don't condemn the authority figures who ignore, advocate, and/or encourage the abuse. Indeed, as with the mayor, it's simpler to blame outside influences rather than to blame the abusers and their advocates.
Perhaps the mayor and other like him are afraid to take on the abusers. Or perhaps he's saying that the victims should just lay down, shut up, and take it. If you're different from the popular groups, then you should change or get out.
The mayor is doing what has been done for so long: blaming the victim and justifying the abuse.
nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Admittedly, this is just speculation, but no more than the idea that video games are what caused these kids to go violent.
According to a report put out by the FBI (sadly, I don't have a link), violent crime has been going down at a pretty steady rate ever since the PlayStation was released. In particular, violent crime in the 13-17 year old bracket was at an all time low. The report is a couple of years old now, but it still makes an important point.
He's playing with stats, just like everyone else. I believe they latch not onto the fact that overall crime is down, but that violent crime among youth is supposedly up. So there's less kids doing bad things, but those that actually do are doing worse things.
I blame a society that teaches children that actions are consequence free. I mean you can just blame society for all of your ills. ;)
And most don't follow up hours of eating bread with criminal acts, but can we ignore that there are many who do? ^_^
And, umm, crime rates are rising? O RLY? Save for some statistically negligible fluctuation in the last couple of years (and ignoring the heinous War on [some people who use some types of] Drugs), crime is way down and staying there.
@GoodRobotUs-
Firearm availability is a mixed bag. Yes, there are more guns now than before. But when this guy was a kid, kids were allowed (and often did) bring rifles to school and keep them in their locker. Even big cities like NYC had target shooting teams/clubs before the early/mid 70's. Before the 1968 Gun Control Act, even convicted felons were allowed to buy/own firearms. And one could buy guns at a hardware store or by mail-order from the Sears catalog, no questions asked.
Make of that what you will.
I bet Jack the Ripper played plenty GTA...
Nice link you found.
It shows that most crime is down, however drugtrade is up.
Yet convictions and report on violent crime are up. Meaning, that more crime is being solved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
for some more school killings go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Barton R. Peterson loves the post-hoc argument.
All I know is that when I was a kid there were disaffected students, students who felt ostracized … but they didn’t shoot up their schools.
(Some did)
Something has changed.
(wrong, and as people have pointed out, they changed in the positive direction)
Go to any school. Find a "disaffected" or "ostracized" student. The number will be a significant population of the school, especially since there are many ways to feel out-of-place: sickly, scrawny, ugly, pretty, stupid, smart, none of the above.... Homeroom comes and goes. Lunch comes and goes. School lets out. Not only did nothing happen at that school, you are talking about 100+ points of data that didn't shoot up their school. Everyday there is no school shooting, you are talking about millions of angsty teenagers that just push thru the day or find a distraction. And of those, there are a rare few even capable of such an act.
How dare he ignore the millions of counter-examples. That's unscientific, unreasonable, and illogical to boot.
Violence in our society is escalating? That's totally untrue. Violence is down a bunch from when the Klan ruled the south and they didn't just exist in the south. There were some Klansmen in the north too. In fact, in the 1920's, one of their main headquarters was in Indianapolis. Governor, you don't even know the history of the city that you're in. Violence and crime are up? That's a 100% lie. This governor guy is retarded if he actually believes that America is more violent today than it was fifty years ago. He should ask Reverand Jesse Jackson about that. These facts destroy the idea that violent video games are making America more violent.
Maybe there weren't school shootings back then, but, over all, there was a lot more violence and a lot of it was because of racism. Hate crimes and racism are looked down on today and aren't allowed anymore. Violence is going down, not up, so, Governor, why don't you study history and get your facts straight before making a moron out of yourself? Hell, you were alive when America was a very violent place.
Overall drug trafficking is up, but it's almost all Marijuana (with some MDMA, I think). Go to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports and check the numbers and you'll see that possession and sale of cocaine, heroin, and all the classics have been going down, while Marijuana violations have gone way, -way- up.
Merc25 beat me to the Bath School Disaster (the earliest School shooting that got national coverage as far as I can tell), so let me add some food for thought:
Prior to the creation of CNN in 1980, there was no television network dedicated to collecting and disseminating stories at the national level. This means that in many cases tragedies like school shootings, train derailings, grain silo explosions, and all the other "If it Bleeds, It Leads" stories that make up the bulk of non-political TV news were never disseminated more widely than the local network affiliate or the local newspaper. It's not that "things were different back then", ladies and gentlemen, it's simply that the mechanisms to bring news to your door weren't nearly as sophisticated, so you rarely heard about incidents outside your local area unless they had national or international significance.
Even the national and international wire services like AP and Reuters were more concerned with other news in the 50s and 60s (The Cold War was a bigger deal then than the "War on Terror" is now. Now the worst we have to worry about is a single nuclear weapon coring out the business district of a major US city. Back then it was the prospect of the most of Eurasia and North America being reduced to pitted craters of ash and glass.)
"Times have changed our kids are getting worse they won't obey their parents they just want to fart and curse.
Should we blame the government
or blame society
or should we blame the images on TV?
No, Blame Canada.. "
Most don’t follow up hours of video-game violence with criminal acts, but can we ignore the connection when we have evidence of many who do,
Sure we can, just realise that a very large percent of teens play video games whatever they do, this is the equivalent of blaming music, not rock and roll, not rap but music in general, for crimes because soooo many teen killers listened to music. This is also like banning video games from an entire school just because 1 person, played them during class (and this kid has problems with authority anyway).
and when we see so plainly that our society is cruder and our crime rates are rising?
Ignoring the fact that youth crime is declining, I blame crudeness on Dave Chappele Carlos Mencia and South Park, they are a lot cruder than any game, should we ban them? Heck no. It's freedom of speech
I agree with you partially. I agree that violence is in decline. In fact, that's what I was saying up there. People aren't violent and racist like they were forty and fifty years ago. However, I like David Chappele and Carlos Mencia. They rock and they don't make people crude at all, dude. This governor is a loser and he is just another lying politician trying to get votes to win again. If he learns anything from what happened in Louisiana and Illinois, he won't bring any law suits against the industry because he'll lose and then Indiana will owe the video game industry money like Lousiana and Illinois.
Yes, we can ignore the connection.
When you have odds of several million to one, you learn to ignore those outlandish data points.
The only reason people think there is a connection is because of fearmongering idiots like this mayor. He is why people worry about the wrong things in this world.
bullying was at tis best then "thier jsut childeren"
*shudders*
Mr.Mayor
old one reiter and leave this world for you do not bring anything good with you...
Anybody interested in a good article about 'declining crime rates' as it relates to video games should read this: http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence_and_videogames
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