Submitted by -Jes- - December 29, 2006 at 9:32 pm -0500
Well it's not just recently we've had stupidity abound in Europe as well.
I recall a few stupid spanish(or french?) police officers, a politician or two in UK, the whole Rule of the Rose thing, and how EU Media turned the MGS Fansite suicide(RIP m8) into a freakin' carnival, even getting Slimeball Thompson flaming...
Yep, my pride in being European faded drastically this year.. But nevermind that, let's all give a Biiiiig Welcome to the Year 2007! :D
Submitted by Terminator44 - December 30, 2006 at 9:43 am -0500
@GamePolitics
ROFL, I wouldn't want to see you out of a job so soon, GP. Still, I think the worst has passed for the industry. But we'll have to wait until the new year rolls around to find out for sure.
Submitted by GamerDad - December 30, 2006 at 10:42 am -0500
Terrific roundup Dennis.
I think this isn't over. 2006 was a midterm election year. The next time videogame violence can gain you easy "culture warrior cred" is the next time politicians will revisit this topic.
Remember, the hippy activists of the 60's who played their rock music loud and cheesed off their parents grew up to found things like the PMRC and attacked vulgarity in music.
I'm expecting some contemporary videogame defenders to eventually join the other side and protest games like GRAND THEFT AUTO Virtual Reality Simulator. You know, the game coming for 2020 that'll let you carjack and unlock Hot Coffee in true Holodeck glory.
The "media is hurting our children" debate is older than Aristotle and Plato. It's not ending any time soon. Graphics are only going to get better and games are only going to get more complicated.
My point? There'll be a real need for GamePolitics (and GamerDad) for a long time to come.
Submitted by gamepolitics - December 30, 2006 at 7:07 am -0500
@Derek & Dutch - good points on the Euro gaming censorship issues.
Terminator - you know, don't be saying things like the anti-game movement might be collapsing - it's bad for GP's business.... LOL
But I think there is at least a chance you could be right. Following a very unsuccessful year in game legislation, what will happen next? Hmmm... you've inspired me to make a predictions column.
Submitted by Terminator44 - December 29, 2006 at 8:40 pm -0500
@dutch_gamer
Good point bringing up the recent surge of anti-game activity in Europe. My last post was refering to America, where, until recently, almost all of this business was taking place in. But now that Europe is catching up, I can definately see that this culture war isn't quite over, it's just moving to a different theater.
I seriously hope that these new attempts to restrict games are no more successful than the ones here. I know Europeans aren't as fanitically protective of free speech as Americans are, but this is going too far.
Submitted by dutch_gamer - December 29, 2006 at 6:59 pm -0500
We don't only have to deal with Germany but also with the plans of the Italian Commissioner of Justice within the European Union. We will be seeing more news about this guy in the beginning of 2007. There will be a meeting between ministers of all European states next month about violent videogames. In the following months the regulation of games will be talked about with so-called experts and the game developers (conference). And the Commissioner has already stated that when the gamedevelopers don't agree with the measures the EU wants to take, there will be a law to make them comply. So in other words, when he gets his way, gamers in Europe have a big problem. Especially since he wants rules for development, production and the sale of videogames. He would love to have a say in every cycle of development. And this all, as he calls it, to protec the children.
I really wish that Germany was the only issue in Europe, but unfortunately it isn't. I also wish us Europeans had a real protection against idiots such as Frattini, Eurocommissioner. I am really sick and tired of being seen as a criminal, only because I like playing games. I have never hurt anyone and I don't intend to either. Why do we all have to suffer for a few minor incidents? When will they deal with the real issue instead of using games as a scapegoat?
Submitted by Derek - December 29, 2006 at 6:02 pm -0500
Well we still got Germany to deal with you know, the place is basically Nazi Germany For Console Gaming (Many Germans in order to enjoy any sort of video game freedom have to get their fix through Torrents)
Submitted by Terminator44 - December 29, 2006 at 5:49 pm -0500
@Cecil475
Actually, I think 2007 might be the year where the downfall of the anti-game movement begins. First of all, almost all of the video game bills passed (except for California's) have not only been defeated, but the state governments that passed them have been stuck with hefty legal bills that will almost certainly be used as ammunition by their political opponents. This will likely deter future bills, if not put an end to them altogether.
Secondly, some of the most hardline antigamers have now been taking a more industry-friendly stance. Although there could be any number of reasons for them doing so, the most likely explaination is that they have realized that their current tatics just weren't working, as highlighted by the defeat of the aforementioned game bills. Not only that, but I would imagine that their pointless politking is infuriating some parents who are actually interested in the whole issue, because it doesn't get them any closer to understanding the ratings, which is all many of them wanted in the first place. Therefore, they must have seen that it is in everyone's best interests to work WITH the industry, not against it.
So yes, it seems like 2006 was one of the worst years we've had, but towards the end things are starting the go our way. You know what they say: It's always darkest before the dawn.
Submitted by J-Guy - December 30, 2006 at 5:13 pm -0500
Let's all just hope 2007 goes along smoothly. And I laugh at the politicians' current attempts at getting public favor. First they thrash the industry, then they support it. Get over yourselves and do something good for the country, not for you.
Submitted by Fedule - December 30, 2006 at 4:14 pm -0500
Well then, I hope you become redundant ASAP... ;)
No, but really, a discomforting thought as it is, even if the mainstream game hating dies down, even if Joe and Hilary come right out and say that they like games after all (HAH.) there will still exist a vocal anti game movement (and no doubt "he" will still be around too), so I don't think either of you will be out of a job any time soon.
Submitted by DarkHelm.org - December 29, 2006 at 1:29 pm -0500
The GamePolitics ‘06 Political Mix...
It has been a crazy, turbulent year for video games, gamers, and game developers. With insane and ludicrous legislation being made, fought, and defeated, to include from Jack Thompson's own failed Louisiana Bill, to the bizarre Minnesota idea...
Submitted by Fedule - December 30, 2006 at 12:16 pm -0500
And if it's not games that continue to suffer from the generation gap, some other new exciting technology will undoubtedly surface and draw attention away. True, game's aren't entirely out of "danger" yet, but I believe in time, it'll be SomethingElsePolitics and SomethingElseDad to whom the interested look for information... but of course, by the time that happens, GP and GD will probably have moved on for their own, possibly entirely unrelated reasons, so we've got nothing to fear there.
Posted 07/06/08 at 01:57pm BlackIce: It might be just a bit too late now.
Posted 07/06/08 at 12:07pm Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of: Jack, Jack, Jack... When will you learn?
Posted 07/06/08 at 11:38am tallimar: hmm... youre right, im not getting the right mind frame... "YOU WILL LIKE FRIES WITH THAT!" how's that?
Posted 07/06/08 at 11:36am gameman9: Nah, he will just scare the customers.
Posted 07/06/08 at 11:35am tallimar: i think jack's new line may end up being "would you like fries with that?"
Posted 07/06/08 at 11:00am Adamas Draconis: His fave line. Always thought it should be "They've got me right where I want them."
Posted 07/06/08 at 10:43am gamepolitics: he's got 'em right where he wants 'em,LOL
Posted 07/06/08 at 10:30am Silencets: It was a great idea. Just another step in the overarcing master plan off JT...we little people wouldn't understand....
Posted 07/06/08 at 08:35am Jack Wessels: Yeah I knew that part. I'm just amazed at whatever thought process led him to think that was a good idea.
Posted 07/06/08 at 08:33am gamepolitics: actually, he also sent similar material to the FL Supreme Court about 6 months before that
Posted 07/06/08 at 08:24am Jack Wessels: for him and would somehow get Kent in trouble.
Posted 07/06/08 at 08:23am Jack Wessels: @GP: Wow, I've skimmed that one before, but I never noticed that JT actually thought this was good news....
Posted 07/06/08 at 04:40am gamepolitics: eraser: see our original story on that:http://tinyurl.com/6nm9oe
Posted 07/06/08 at 12:21am infect999: because he's an idiot
Posted 07/05/08 at 11:41pm eraserheadthelynch: why did he send gay porn to the judges?
Posted 07/05/08 at 10:44pm Jack Wessels: @Silencets: Maybe it'll come to JT soon too, so he can finally complete that show cause order....
Posted 07/05/08 at 04:30pm Jose_Pedro_Ramirez: No one believed that the ice at the North Pole would ever melt, but...
Posted 07/05/08 at 04:28pm Haggard: Maybe he thought the judges would appreciate it?
Posted 07/05/08 at 03:27pm Silencets: I'm sure JT had a perfectly good reason sending gay porn....It'll come to me any day now...
Posted 07/05/08 at 02:54pm Grendal: once you send gay porn to judges, I'm comfortable calling you crazy
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I recall a few stupid spanish(or french?) police officers, a politician or two in UK, the whole Rule of the Rose thing, and how EU Media turned the MGS Fansite suicide(RIP m8) into a freakin' carnival, even getting Slimeball Thompson flaming...
Yep, my pride in being European faded drastically this year.. But nevermind that, let's all give a Biiiiig Welcome to the Year 2007! :D
ROFL, I wouldn't want to see you out of a job so soon, GP. Still, I think the worst has passed for the industry. But we'll have to wait until the new year rolls around to find out for sure.
I think this isn't over. 2006 was a midterm election year. The next time videogame violence can gain you easy "culture warrior cred" is the next time politicians will revisit this topic.
Remember, the hippy activists of the 60's who played their rock music loud and cheesed off their parents grew up to found things like the PMRC and attacked vulgarity in music.
I'm expecting some contemporary videogame defenders to eventually join the other side and protest games like GRAND THEFT AUTO Virtual Reality Simulator. You know, the game coming for 2020 that'll let you carjack and unlock Hot Coffee in true Holodeck glory.
The "media is hurting our children" debate is older than Aristotle and Plato. It's not ending any time soon. Graphics are only going to get better and games are only going to get more complicated.
My point? There'll be a real need for GamePolitics (and GamerDad) for a long time to come.
Terminator - you know, don't be saying things like the anti-game movement might be collapsing - it's bad for GP's business.... LOL
But I think there is at least a chance you could be right. Following a very unsuccessful year in game legislation, what will happen next? Hmmm... you've inspired me to make a predictions column.
In that case, we need more Eurospondents.
Good point bringing up the recent surge of anti-game activity in Europe. My last post was refering to America, where, until recently, almost all of this business was taking place in. But now that Europe is catching up, I can definately see that this culture war isn't quite over, it's just moving to a different theater.
I seriously hope that these new attempts to restrict games are no more successful than the ones here. I know Europeans aren't as fanitically protective of free speech as Americans are, but this is going too far.
I really wish that Germany was the only issue in Europe, but unfortunately it isn't. I also wish us Europeans had a real protection against idiots such as Frattini, Eurocommissioner. I am really sick and tired of being seen as a criminal, only because I like playing games. I have never hurt anyone and I don't intend to either. Why do we all have to suffer for a few minor incidents? When will they deal with the real issue instead of using games as a scapegoat?
Actually, I think 2007 might be the year where the downfall of the anti-game movement begins. First of all, almost all of the video game bills passed (except for California's) have not only been defeated, but the state governments that passed them have been stuck with hefty legal bills that will almost certainly be used as ammunition by their political opponents. This will likely deter future bills, if not put an end to them altogether.
Secondly, some of the most hardline antigamers have now been taking a more industry-friendly stance. Although there could be any number of reasons for them doing so, the most likely explaination is that they have realized that their current tatics just weren't working, as highlighted by the defeat of the aforementioned game bills. Not only that, but I would imagine that their pointless politking is infuriating some parents who are actually interested in the whole issue, because it doesn't get them any closer to understanding the ratings, which is all many of them wanted in the first place. Therefore, they must have seen that it is in everyone's best interests to work WITH the industry, not against it.
So yes, it seems like 2006 was one of the worst years we've had, but towards the end things are starting the go our way. You know what they say: It's always darkest before the dawn.
- Warren Lewis
No, but really, a discomforting thought as it is, even if the mainstream game hating dies down, even if Joe and Hilary come right out and say that they like games after all (HAH.) there will still exist a vocal anti game movement (and no doubt "he" will still be around too), so I don't think either of you will be out of a job any time soon.
(just kidding, but I am in it for the long haul and I fully intend to do this as long as I'm needed.)
It has been a crazy, turbulent year for video games, gamers, and game developers. With insane and ludicrous legislation being made, fought, and defeated, to include from Jack Thompson's own failed Louisiana Bill, to the bizarre Minnesota idea...
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