Penny Arcade Weighs in on "Moral Kombat" Trailer

Penny Arcade Weighs in on "Moral Kombat" Trailer

January 6, 2007
The recent YouTube'ing of the trailer for Spencer Halpin's Moral Kombat documentary has generated a good bit of discussion among game-oriented sites.

Not surprisingly, the boys at Penny Arcade have created a comic about the Moral Kombat trailer... For all the panels, click here.

By the way, PA's annual Child's Play Charity drive has now raised $1,024,400, a new record. The money is used to help sick kids in children's hospitals around the world. Said founder Robert Khoo:
The game community has just been so amazing in its support. What started as a challenge to our community has grown into something that impacts the lives of children, and that’s something we can all be proud of.

Full Disclosure Dept: Spencer Halpin is the brother of ECA president Hal Halpin. GamePolitics is an ECA partner.

Comments

"We are what we pretend to be ? "
What kindof BS is that ? Me pretending to be a car is not the same as being a car. Pretending to be a homicial maniac IS NOT THE SAME as being a homicidal maniac.
Well, I'm gonna pretend to be a Lamborghini owner then. Be right back.
I agree is not the same pretending as being; but the problem here is if video game violence is actually contributing to real life violence, and I think the answer lies beyond US borders, all the world plays video games, actually all the videogames in the world are manufactured in the US or Japan and the whole world plays them and not everywhere are the violence rates growing.
"Last week a young man in Kansas rolled up his entire school."

XD Looks like we're all Katamari terrorists now...
While normally I would support the assertion that developing videogames leads to violence, I'm pretty sure we build videogames up here in Canada. :)
[“Last week a young man in Kansas rolled up his entire school.”

XD Looks like we’re all Katamari terrorists now… ]

I lol'd.

Video games are manufactured and developed all over the world, not just the US and Japan. You've got Canada, Korea, China, and a good chunk of Europe all contributing to the video game industry.

I think the true problem is ignorance and fear.

But shit, like Spunky said, if we are what we pretend to be (!? Paradox, anyone?) then I'm to go out and pretend my little Escort in the garage is an '83 280 Fairlady Z.
I would have liked the youtube vid better if it were other people and not jack and leibermen blubbering away.
haha

“We are what we pretend to be ? ”

that wouldn't be pretending now would it?
Did Lieberman say we are what we pretend to be? Makes sense since he's famous for being a republican pretending to be a democrat, then being a republican pretending to be indie.
"we are what we pretend to be"

Well i guess they all take that to heart because they all pretend to be experts on games and violence. hell, Jack has been pretending to be a good lawyer for years. Maybe he also pretends he wins some cases. I honestly pretend these people don't exsist. lets see if that takes a foot hold.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=general&Number=73...

Jack Emmert, on how he feels about the use of his own character, Statesman, in the "Moral Combat" trailer.

Even if the documentary is a balanced look at the issue...

The trailer sensationalizes the danger, and not everyone who sees the trailer will see the documentary, and could quite easily just come away with the "Games are to blame".
"The trailer sensationalizes the danger, and not everyone who sees the trailer will see the documentary, and could quite easily just come away with the “Games are to blame"

Sadyl, I think youy're right, since hti country likes to summarize from book covers.
kurisu7885:

"Sadyl, I think youy’re right, since hti country likes to summarize from book covers."

Reminds me of a saying... I think I saw it on a book cover once, but it didn't seem interesting so I didn't pick it up.

DT
I guess I'll use the Bully debacle as an example. It was called Bully, so people like, and I hate to bring him up, THompson assumed, you were the bully beatign up helpless kids, instead of battling bullies and tryign to stop it.
@Mottom22:

If that works, let me know. I'd like to adopt a similar strategy for people who don't tip at my bar.
I cannot believe that this man who has serious ties by way of his brother to the video game industry would allow someone to invoke a link between the 9-11 terrorists using flight simulators and video games. Like I have said before, flight simulators are just that, SIMULATORS! Designed to give as close as possible an experience to trainee pilots as to what it is like in an actual cockpit. Linking normal video games to machines like this is like saying ID Software invested millions of dollars in creating a training simulator to give people as close an experience as possible to what would happen if demons came through a portal and proceeded to kill everyone.
As we all know, Doom is a fantasy game, just like GTA, Half-life, Counter-Strike, Halo and every other game that violence has been blamed on. There is no possible way that a person can gain the knowledge to load, care for and use a firearm from these games.
I would greatly hope that this position is advocated by some interviewees in the course of this film. If the only people they listen to are crazy John Bruce Thompson and his pet Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, then this is an incredibly one sided documentary. I would hope that he is only using these people's sound-bytes and quotes to further debate and interest in his film, than release it to be an unbalanced piece of work.

With all respect to Mr. Thompson and Lt. Grossman, entitled as they are to their opinions, their opinions are not fact. Opinions only become fact when backed up by solid findings from unbiased research, something which does not exist in regards to video games and violence. Correlations have been found between aggressiveness and playing video games, but i have seen the same aggressive behaviour apparent in people who play soccer, gaelic football, boxing and any amount of other physical sports. How far would a politician go in his state if one of his opinions was "College footballers have raped women and beaten people in the past, to alleviate the beating of people and reduce the risk to women, I suggest we ban college football."

Jack Thompson quotes the APA as saying they have found direct evidence that video games cause violence, but the APA it'self (when questioned by GP) has said that this is a flagrant misinterpretation of their findings. It's like me looking at findings that state "I am wearing a blue shirt and it is raining today, therefore, whenever I wear a blue shirt it will rain".

Should this filmmaker entertain the whims of people who believe that video games cause violence, then he is just pandering to these people's opinions and not adhering to the facts.
Yay let's smear 9/11 in their faces and blame it on video games!

Let's pose lies in the form of questions!

Using a flight stick and virtual cockpit to learn to maneuver an airplane is the same thing as pressing UP and X on your Playstation controller to encourage you to kill someone!

Well shit, if Jack Thompson can't tell the difference between video games and real life maybe he should be locked up. No one will ever confuse video games for real life, not if they are absolutely photorealistic. You have to enter a seperate world when you play a video game. Video games rely totally on a tenuous suspension of belief. We are NOT FUCKING WHAT WE PRETEND TO BE, what is this a FUCKING DISNEY MOVIE? I'm not even kidding. What a load of bullshit. "I'm not a bad guy, but I play one in the movies" Oh shit, arrest Hollywood! They're EXACTLY what they pretend to be!

Hey Jack, a study was done, it was a multi-billion dollar experiment involving millions upon millions of people, world wide, of all demographics, and that study found no correlation between gaming and violence. In fact, people in poverty and therefore without games are much more likely to commit crimes. gamers kill less. This study is called "The Video Game Market". We LOOKED and SAW wether or not they caused violence, and they do not.
"With all respect to Mr. Thompson"

Hehehe...Hahahaha....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The following is excerpted from a 1999 speech by Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr., the transcript of which appears in his book, Speaking of Liberty. It seems relevant today, as politicians are still lecturing the video game industry about morality.

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To make a case against the Nato killers who have laid waste to Yugoslavia, it might be enough to simply quote Bill Clinton. "Our children are being fed a dependable daily dose of violence," the president said. "And it sells." Further, it "desensitizes our children to violence and to the consequences of it."

But in these comments, presumably, he wasn't revealing the essence of his war, and its convenient effect of eclipsing Monica as his legacy to the world and its dreadful consequence of imparting an example of violence and bloodshed to anyone who still looks to the government for moral example. Rather, it turns out, he was leveling an attack on the private sector, which entertains us with movies and video games. He says it is the movie and video-game industries, not real-life war, that is corrupting morals.

And yet the violence being inflicted and the blood being spilled by the troops Clinton commands are real. It is foolish to believe that this does not have an effect on the children of this country. It is sadly true that the behavior of the president still has an undue influence on those who yet believe the civics-text lie that the office is the most morally exalted in the land. The most corrupt media mogul does far more good, and far less harm, than the president.

But for those who still believe in the modern civic religion, it is the president who sets the moral tone, and the boundaries of right and wrong. It is no wonder, then, that one of the killers at Columbine had widely proclaimed his desire to drop some bombs on Serbia. Neither should we forget that the man convicted of bombing the Oklahoma City federal building received his training in how to kill during the war on Iraq ordered up by the last madman to hold the office.
I wanna make a documentary on how badly Whacko Jacko misrepresents facts about games and violence, how much he lies, and how misguided he truely is.

Better yet, get Penn & Teller to do a "Bullshit" episode on him.

There's enough material for 45 minutes of material (add 15 minutes for commercials, that's a sunday night special!)
I think Penn and Teller did an episode like that, where they talked about the problems of teens today, then showed security camera footage of how a SWAT team invaded a school, and held all the students up at gunpoint, while they checked for drugs. My memory's a little fuzzy, but I think that's how it went.

Also, I'm not sure they're making new episodes, unless I dont get the Showtime network and cant SEE the new episodes.
@MaskedPixelante

You gotta get me a link to that video.

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