Submitted by Snakestream - January 16, 2007 at 4:32 pm -0500
The crap Jack slings is so dumb that its not even funny. He's pretty much saying that big companies have to police the dumb fucks that misuse their products. Why not make McDonalds responsible for the kid whose parents buy him three cheeseburgers every day and then bitch about what a fat little bastard he is.
Submitted by Trekker - January 16, 2007 at 1:04 pm -0500
Kobra, I would just like to point out a minor error in your point. The Aztecs never had any books. Of the "big three" in pre-contact history (Aztec, Maya, and Inca), the Maya were the only ones with written language but, yes, the Spanish were quite aggressive in destroying any traces of that culture they could find.
Submitted by Robb - January 16, 2007 at 10:15 am -0500
As the article says, who will police this? Starting to deny sales to stores will quickly prevent all sales of all games to anyone. Jack's idea is a child's black-and-white concept. No one will ever admit to selling a game to a minor. If discovered, someone may get fired, but what incentive do you have to report your own store?
Jack's other actions seem whimsical at best. Therefore, it's a safe bet to also take this as whimsical. He'll be back to shaking his fist in protest in no time.
Submitted by kurisu7885 - January 16, 2007 at 3:44 am -0500
As I said on Joystiq, Thompson is attempting to put them in a lose lose situation. They let him in, he looks for info and such to bring them down, the don't and he'll label them once again as mental child molestors because they chose to keep him out of their clubhouse.
Submitted by Freekill - January 16, 2007 at 12:09 am -0500
Poor loony Jack. The funny thing is I bet he really is trying to make the world a better place for us all...he just sucks at actually making it happen.
Submitted by Kobra - January 16, 2007 at 12:24 am -0500
Freekill: Just like the Spaniards thought they were doing the Aztecs a favor by forcibly converting them to Christianity then burning all their books when they discovered the Aztecs still practicing their cultural traditions in secret, right?
Submitted by MaskedPixelante - January 15, 2007 at 10:13 pm -0500
This sounds like Jack's attempt to constitutionally destroy the game industry. If people stop shipping games to businesses, then it wouldn't matter of ANY legislation, since you couldn't get games there anyway.
Submitted by Gil - January 15, 2007 at 10:24 pm -0500
In an e-mail to departing ESA boss Doug Lowenstein and ESRB president Patricia Vance, Thompson suggested that the game publishers warn the game retailers not to sell M-rated titles to those under 17. According to Thompson's plan, if retailers failed to comply, the publishers would simply stop shipping games to the offending stores. And then all of this nasty video game legislation would go away.
Am-....am I the only one who sees this on the box?
Submitted by Kobra - January 15, 2007 at 9:58 pm -0500
He's just grasping for straws.
I've been saying it since day one: "Eventually, the realization of the magnitude of political suicide he commited will sink in and he'll offer a draw." It looks like that day is fast approaching. Unfortunately, this "draw" is nothing sort of a crock.
Let the parents do their job. And if they fail to do so, then it's their fault their kids are fuck-ups.
Submitted by Kharne - January 15, 2007 at 7:17 pm -0500
You know, I really doubt Jack's trying to be helpful here. My best guess is he wants this to happen because he assumes they'll be no enforcement from the game stores. No enforcement means no sales, no sales means no games. no games means the death of gaming, hoo-ha, and all that jazz.
I have to say, very Grima Wormtongue-ish. Doesn't chance the fact that it's poorly planned though.
Submitted by Andrew Eisen - January 15, 2007 at 5:46 pm -0500
I'm just going to copy/paste what I said last week.
Thompson’s proposal is not new or original. Walsh from NIMF has proposed the same thing. The reason it won’t work (besides being completely unnecessary) is because auditing your own members results in discoverable information that can be used against said members in a civil court case. Would you open up your members to civil court attacks in this anti-game climate? Of course you wouldn’t.
Submitted by Blitz in NJ - January 15, 2007 at 5:05 pm -0500
Make all of the industry's legislative troubles go away?! That's by far the funniest part, I think. Every time the industry has challenged a state's law (to restrict sales of games to minors), they've won! And been awarded legal fees!
Submitted by Terminator44 - January 15, 2007 at 5:25 pm -0500
I knew it would happen. Jack's finally been forced to resort to the oldest trick in the book: Force your policy on someone else by acting like it's for that someone's own good. Unfortunately for JT, it's as likely to work as Dubya's new plan for Iraq.
Submitted by Jabrwock - January 15, 2007 at 4:51 pm -0500
Does Paramount Pictures check up on theater chains to make sure they are not letting kids into R-rated movies? Of course not.
/whines But that DIFFERENT! ;)
His offer presumes a degree of clout extending far beyond his own keyboard, as in, "if the industry does this, I'll make all of its legislative troubles go away." But how would he do that? Where is Jack's coalition?
Duh, it's Jack & Jesus. He's on a mission from God, and if you can't take God's word... Er, but you're taking Jack's word that he's speaking for God... Nevermind...
Third, the video game industry simply won't parley with Jack Thompson. That is largely his own fault.
Never! Burning bridges worked for GWB, it's gotta work for JT! ;)
Submitted by Spicyragnatz - January 15, 2007 at 4:44 pm -0500
I have to say, it is an interesting idea to say the least. It's kind of like the health inspector. If the store doesn't follow the rules, it gets penalized for some time, and is then given a second chance. I don't think the companies will lose TOO much money since there are always other outlets to buy the game. If a small store is not trustable, then go to a bigger store. If Burger King A is shut down due to a rat being found, you can still go to Burger King B a little further away.
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:27pm ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:26pm ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:23pm ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
Posted 11/07/09 at 03:34pm ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:30am Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
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Jack's other actions seem whimsical at best. Therefore, it's a safe bet to also take this as whimsical. He'll be back to shaking his fist in protest in no time.
Heh, yeah, you're right. I hadn't thought of that. ;)
Am-....am I the only one who sees this on the box?
I've been saying it since day one: "Eventually, the realization of the magnitude of political suicide he commited will sink in and he'll offer a draw." It looks like that day is fast approaching. Unfortunately, this "draw" is nothing sort of a crock.
Let the parents do their job. And if they fail to do so, then it's their fault their kids are fuck-ups.
I have to say, very Grima Wormtongue-ish. Doesn't chance the fact that it's poorly planned though.
Thompson’s proposal is not new or original. Walsh from NIMF has proposed the same thing. The reason it won’t work (besides being completely unnecessary) is because auditing your own members results in discoverable information that can be used against said members in a civil court case. Would you open up your members to civil court attacks in this anti-game climate? Of course you wouldn’t.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163854.html (linked again for convenience)
By the way, Thompson’s wording shows that he has little understanding of what the ESA and ESRB are for and can and cannot do.
Andrew Eisen
Sorry, Jacky Boy. You fail. AGAIN!
/whines But that DIFFERENT! ;)
His offer presumes a degree of clout extending far beyond his own keyboard, as in, "if the industry does this, I'll make all of its legislative troubles go away." But how would he do that? Where is Jack's coalition?
Duh, it's Jack & Jesus. He's on a mission from God, and if you can't take God's word... Er, but you're taking Jack's word that he's speaking for God... Nevermind...
Third, the video game industry simply won't parley with Jack Thompson. That is largely his own fault.
Never! Burning bridges worked for GWB, it's gotta work for JT! ;)