Thompson: Impeach Utah Attorney General

January 23, 2007 -
In yesterday's GamePolitics coverage of the increasingly ugly situation surrounding Utah's pending video game legislation, we mentioned in passing that controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson had issued a call for the impeachment of Attorney General Mark Shurtleff.

Several readers wondered about the content of Thompson's letter, which we chose not to include in yesterday's GP. But you asked, so here it is (MS Word format).

In regard to Thompson's dust-up with Shurtleff, GP posed three questions to the anti-game attorney last evening. Those questions, along with his answer, follow:
GP: What has (bill sponsor) Rep. Wyatt had to say about your attacks on A.G. Shurtleff?

GP: How do you see demonizing the state’s A.G. as an effective strategy?

GP: Do you fear that the ugliness (surrounding your legislative efforts) in Louisiana and now Utah will dissuade people in other jurisdictions from working with you, going forward?

JT: Listen, goofball.  Wyatt today endorsed everything I said.  Secondly, morons like Shurtleff need to be called out as morons.  The bill has no chance of surviving as a law if Shurtleff scuttles it.  Finally, if you weren't such a coward and would allow me access to your site, you'd know even more of what is going on.  You are absurd.

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Re: Thompson: Impeach Utah Attorney General

Practically every story about him shows up here first. GP is the first person he calls estetik when he wants to get his word out, and it's basically estetik the only place  that gives him the time of day. He's learned that he doesn't need to be nice to get what he wants from here. In fact being abusive gets him more attention.

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Re: Thompson: Impeach Utah Attorney General

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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Thing is, I suppose, why should we invite a Troll onto the boards just so that he can prove he's a Troll? We already know that, and, quite frankly, he deliberately goes out of his way to distract people from the extremely obvious holes in his opinions by starting arguments and hurling insults.

Basically, he has opinions, but is too spineless to defend them like an adult. I just don't see any point in letting somebody who behaves in such an unprofessional and childish manner back onto these boards.

@Kurisu

I think it was 57, but Cecil475 should have the official count somewhere, I think.

@ijed

If you mean stories posted on the site it was mentioned before that the reason in that JT happens to be at the core of most of these cases and as such is going to be mentioned. If you were aiming at people who post here who are showing their own views on people and more importantly the stories, I have to object. We are exercising our freedoms to share our opinions with like minded people, and on occasions those who disagree and want a healthy debate. GP, if I am outta line here feel free to delete my post. I will not be offended.

*sigh*

GP - you've let me down. Thompson thrives off attention; it's the only thing that validates his childish ego trip - which incidentally places him at the forefront of a crusading moral army, american flag in hand, civil liberties underfoot.

By continually using his tawdry exploits as news threads you are helping him justify his own existance as the aforementioned. It's good that you banned him - everyone who posts unbased abuse on any forum should be warned and then, if they continue, banned.

Maybe saying this has breached your terms of posting, which I haven't read (sorry) but I doubt I'll be back here for a while anyhow.

@ Jork- I fully agree witth you. If these gamers continue to misbehave, we R GONA SEND 100+ SWAT DUDEZ AFTER DEM LOLZ

Holy crap! I was just using gamer-specific language! HALP GUISE B4 I- I mean, Help guys! Before it's 2*COUGH* Too late!

rotfl that was funny.

To quote a comic I read somewhere:

THOMPSON: "I won't let little things like FACTS get in the way of bolstering my career."

That would be VGcats
The email exchange between scott and Jack is still hilarious.

Radio Guy: So he can post here with his endless supply of mental retardation, and harass users? and he says *we're* the stupid ones?

(Incidentally I linked this to my aunt, a Pub. Defender in Los Angeles, I think she'd find his shenanigans funny.)

On second thought, a lot of people here apparently don't have a working sense of humor.

Indeed, I'm not against the idea of an all encompassing rating service for all types of Media, though I am biased, since I live in the UK which already has one, but Jack's attitude towards me and my hobby has convinced me that no matter what is going on, Jack isn't in this for anything more than personal gain and a chance to get on a soap-box and insult people whilst getting away with it.

Basically, he's a spineless child who's found a 'safe' way to throw temper tantrums and insults at everyone else.

The problem with Jack is, no matter how rude or immature he is to us, he still manages to convince people in relative power that he knows what he's talking about. I'm not sure what pact with Satan he's made to do this, but he does. Truth be told, he's actually pretty sneaky, but I think a little bit obsessed with us. For some reason, the guy has picked "Gamers" to be the brunt of his assault. I'm not sure why. I know there are folks that read this, that play games, that really would probably side with his position or at least in a close enough sort of fashion. I wonder why he's so full of bitterness, to the point of driving off people that could possibly be supporters.

Who knows what goes on in the mind of Jack?

Ben
-bjclark@gmail.com

JT: I want everyone who disagrees with me impeached.
GP: Why?
JT: Cause I SAID SO YOU COWARD!

Can't beat the logic.

Jack Thompson, determined to burn every bridge he ever sees even before he crosses it.

@Hannah:

Bad idea. Jack Thompson 'appearing' to be mellow means nothing. He has proven many times in the past that his behavior can and will change at the drop of a hat. One minute he's civil and friendly, the next he's a raging moonbat throwing a tantrum.

He was also banned several times during GP's Livejournal days but Dennis kept allowing him to come back, only to ban him again when Jack started throwing legal threats at other posters and crapflooding the comments with offtopic 'press releases'. To sum it up, it's absolutely impossible to allow him back and expect him to behave. He's been given a 'trial basis' many, many times.

Dennis, have you ever considered unbanning JT, even on a trial basis? I mean, you certainly had good reasons to ban him in the first place, but he seems to have mellowed out at least a tiny bit since then. Although he remains caustic in emails and press releases, I haven't seen him actively trolling on Joystiq or other game sites in months.

Oh so we're doing parodies of Jack thompson eh? Give me a couple of days and I'll have mine ready (I have finals till thursday). I've written parodies of Mythbusters (mythblunders) and other things (zombie grass) Jack thompson is going to be very easy becomes he is (or wants us to believe that he is) a one-dimensional character. While we're at it we can have a contest.

Personally, I'd be against it, I certainly don't want posts from someone named like 'VazRocks' and comments like 'Hah! You knuckleheads with fried frontal lobes can't fight me, I have the power of Bullshit on my side! Hooah!', well, not that to the letter, but that's more or less what it adds up to.

It's not like he EVER showed the courage to tackle even one challenge to his opinions in a civil manner.

"You see? I’ve been telling you all here that he is a jerk."

If you're speaking of JT...all you have been doing is stating the blatently painful, unequivocal, obvious.

No worries. Parody titles-FTW! I'll pull mine out

Listen up you goofballs:

If you weren't so busy poking holes in my legislation's constitutionality and pointing out my hypocracy, lies, and factual misrepresentations, you might actually see what I'm trying to say! I'm doing it for the fame! I don't care one whit about the children, and my family is embarrassed by my utter lack of tact. Quit making fun of me just because I can't be bothered to learn from my mistakes or be honest! If you don't, I'll sue you all!

Jork Thampson

(Yes, the preceding is satire. REAL author is Mnementh2230 - I'll take the flak for this... I probably should have thrown a "knucklehead" in there somewhere for good measure, but enough is enough)

You know, if you're not going to let Jack Thompson have his say in the comments (and thus deny us one of the must amusing things to happen to the internet in ages), you should at least see if you can add an additional blog to this site that only he is allowed to post in, allowing him to personally comment on each story in a way that everyone will be able to see and react to, without mucking up the normal chain of comments.

You are raising your eyebrows in skepticism but this is a brilliant and glorious idea, and those of us who are fans of Jack's unique way with words will thank you for it.

@Pancho Via

No, there are no real evidence that the AG would have a conflict of interest.

First off, the free advertising thompson has mention is incredibly weak evidence. That free advirtising is not meant to promote the AG but to promote the ESRB rating system; and because of that it only makes sence that it should be the game industry that pays for it. Not to mention that if the game industry didn't pay for it, the money used to mak the adds probably would have come from gov't taxpayer money, not the AG's personal wallet; thus making even better that the industry pay for it. And the ad's themselves are not proof the AG is pro-games since the adds are meant to help parents and is not meant to help the game industry. The only way jack's could use the ad against the AG is if they were ads for promoting the AG, such as for his election campaign; but as we know, the ads were for the game industry's rating system, not the AG.

Second, The AG's stance against the bill is also not proof that he is pro-game industry. The reason he presents that stance is out of professional opinion not personal. In all reality it's part of his job to give the state his professional opinion, a professional opinion that a number of judges in other states would agree with him on.

Third, Jack completly ignores the AG's history and knows nothing about him. Most notably we can look at the AG's stance against "25 to life"... someone who was supporting the game industry would not either take and opposite stance or no stance at all, but the AG showed that he was against it.

...Does John Bruce EVER get tired of hearing himself talk?

You know, it would have been cool to see the New Orleans Saints win the Super Bowl in Miami, kinda be like Louisiana's "F**k You" to Jacky Boy.

On-topic, Jacky Boy continues to prove that he still can't practice what he preaches.

AgnostoTheo: VGCats. It's the best webcomic EVER.

I suppose Penny Arcade can be funny, but only if you read through all 700+ comics.

You see? I've been telling you all here that he is a jerk. Actually, that's a nice responce compared to some of the others I've read. On the internet, he attacks progame people a lot harder than that and uses very nasty language, not that I don't call him an MF all the time, but I think he is a turd and an F-ing bum. I hope you see now why I'm obsessed with running him down the way I do. You need to go to other websites and if you're anykind of self respecting gamer, you'll hate him as much as I do.

@ Chris

No, man, you don't want him to post on this site. He has nothing but insults for gamers and he needs to be banned from this site for good. If you doubt that, then talk to a guy who posts here called Fathertime. He says that when Jack Thompson used to post here, he used to compare us to Nazis. Trust me, man, you don't want him posting here. He will drive people away. He is a bad person, although some people here would disagree with me on that, I think he is a bad person or a ridiculously mixed up person. By the way, I don't know if you saw what I wrote about your comment running down Jack Thompson saying that he needs to be put in a mental institution and disbarred. I thought that comment was awesome. That's what I always say. Keep posting things like that and people will like you on this site.

Trust me Daniel, we had to deal with his childish rantings for a long time on here, there's little of Jack's 'jerkness' that we haven't already experienced for ourselves, from his hate-filled tirades against us personally to making claims of being in contact with people, or of evidence found, that have turned out to exist only in his own fevered imagination. We know what JT is like.

@Cecil475

I think Jacko's main problem is that AG Shurtleff is the kind of person that respects your right to say things he doesn't agree with. Which leads to things Jack finds unsavory also known as "not fighting the video game industry tooth and nail. Instead working with them where appropriate, and criticizing them where appropriate."

Anyways, I'm fairly sure that AG Shurtleff doesn't have a conflict of interest, at least at this time. Objectively speaking, he does not stand to gain if the law fails. His recommending against it is simply a lawyer advising his client that something is a bad idea. His PSA's raising awareness of the ESRB ratings and the need to use them do not gain or lose importance no matter what the status of the law. Since he does not stand to gain if the law fails, or lose if the law succeeds, I don't think there is a conflict of interest.

"I noticed a gramatical error in the first paragraph. If I was the Attorney General, that would have earned this letter a one way trip to the round file."

Are you kidding? I'd frame the letter and display it proudly in my office. When you piss off someone like Jack Thompson, you know you've done something right.

"lawyering," Im pretty sure, is not a word. I noticed a gramatical error in the first paragraph. If I was the Attorney General, that would have earned this letter a one way trip to the round file.

@ADB: I think you mean "disbar". :)

He almost was disbarred, once, and there are a couple of occasions where he should or would have been held in contempt of court, except that circumstances (not entirely out of his control) conspired to let him escape.

Actually, from a slightly-more-than-cursory glance at his career, it seems to me that he's said and done more than enough inappropriate things to have been disbarred several times over. Seriously, check out his record. It looks like the only thing that's saved him up to this point is that nobody but the gamer demographic knows about his insulting and often unsolicited emails, or that whole issue with Penny Arcade, among other things.

The real solution to this problem is to get these documents out to the mainstream media, where other people can see them, because right now all they see is his "nice" mask (nice being a relative term - when compared with the truly nasty side he so often shows us).

I'm not saying that a public outing of Thompson's indiscretions would put a final stop to all this nonsense - far from it - but it would be a major victory.

And, in case Thompson ever reads this and wants to yell at me, I'll put one of my emails here: eye.of.the.dragonfly@hotmail.com

At least he can't call me a coward.

I doubt I'll respond even if he mails a slew of insults railing on everything near and dear to me. I'm not stupid, I saw what happened to Krahulik, Holkins, and Rasmoosair after they responded. No, the best way to deal with Jack's infantile slurs is to turn a deaf ear.

-EOTD

Can we impeach him (meaning Thompson..)?

Why is it, that whenever Jack starts speaking about people who turns down his bills, that he sounds like a four year old who got told no when he wanted a cookie before dinner.

I'm waiting for the day that he sits there and just calls all the congress people a poopyhead and throws a temper tantrum

"He’s been given a ‘trial basis’ many, many times"

51 times give or take, and he wasn't given those chances, he took them, when the first few bannings should have gotten the message across.


@Mnementh2230

Have you heard from him since?

And this is from my forum post.

Well, he does say he's within his constitutional speech rights, or something like that. He tried to rattle our cages with his "hitler youth" rhetoric, while not realizing, likely willfully not realizing the irony in that.

He was given more than 50 chances to be civil, no, we didn't give him 50 tries, he took those chances, and he still would not clean up his act. He insulted us, called us nazi youth, called us violent, said we were on drugs, wished our loved ones harm, insulted our intellect, posted his address phone number and email so bait us into a trap, he's called us kiddies despite our ages, he's spit in our faces when we extended the olive branch in peace, defended child molesters and serial killers while trying to pin it on games, and the final straw was him demanding our personal information, which would have exposed us to numerous types of danger.

Ya, some crusader for the children he is. If he assumed we were all little kids, he would not have demanded that nor would he have said all he has to us.

I think the swear filter is getting more than a little carried away Dennis....

Joe Bourrie: "Jack Thompson is the Tom Green of the game industry. "

Please, don't insult Mr. Green like that. He's the peak of intelligence and wit compared to Thompson.

@Omega_Bahamut

You kidding? He'd marry himself if he could. He suffers from what a lot of us in society suffer from: being our own biggest fan and not realizing it (in other words, putting himself above others but thinking he's a hero).

Leads me to a question: Has anyone ever explained to him why he's such an outcast (because of his conduct, not his views)?

I personally wouldn't mind letting Jack post here, it'd be entertaining, I'm sure.

~Chris
roboticsithdrone@yahoo.com

Weird interview.

"or like Cliff Clavin on the tv show Cheers"


This made me laugh. It's a rather unusual reference to be used in such a formal letter. Thompson is always trying to be taken seriously in the eyes of his peers, as well as the media, and I can't see how this helps.

@Flak

I'll take you on the bet, my money is on thompson threatens action, implies action or says or else but doesn't do it. He is known making empty threats and when he does follow through on his threats they are never the stupidly insane one (such as action against for letting GTA on the xbox), and that while something thompson might say to scare/annoy us i doubt he would follow through on it. A good man once said "After all has been asid and done more has been said than done." that could easily apply to thompson, as well as other impulsive people.

Verbinator - Once i put my email down and said email me, he emailed me once or twice, then i seemingly got put on his press release junk mail list. Havent heard from him in ages now.....

No doubt about him having an enemies list, bet it is huge :)

Jack Thompson should be impeached from society.

"The latter has been passed and sustained in eleven other states" And it has been found unconstitutional in eleven other states.

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