
As reported by the
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, anti-game attorney Jack Thompson will debate author Gerard Jones (
Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence
) tomorrow night at the California University of Pennsylvania campus.
From the newspaper story:
Mr. Thompson said he will argue in tomorrow's debate that First Amendment laws governing free speech "do not protect the sale of adult video games to kids and minors."
The free 7 p.m. debate was arranged through Wolfman Productions of Connecticut... Each debate costs between $6,000 and $13,000.
If you are unfamiliar with Gerard Jones, check out this excellent
interview Bonnie Ruberg conducted with the author for Gamasutra.
The Thompson debate tour stirred a
bit of controversy in December when Rockstar Games threatened Wolfman Productions with legal action over the use of a Grand Theft Auto graphic in the web page promoting the controversial attorney's planned debate series.
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Seriously, I for one hold nothing against you. We have our bad days - today I threw a stack of papers down and almost killed a bank manager (not with the papers, but rather with my angry, withering gaze) over what proved to be not a huge deal. Shit happens.
Good point. One I must make make use of if I am in that posistion. Which is not likely to happen.
Posting from home.
- Warren Lewis
Wow, that kind of leads me to beleive that gaming may have a negative effect on certain people. You were handed a golden opportunity to confront Jacko, a chance many of us would love to have, and you couldn't control your violent and negative impulses long enough to at least make a good showing.
I'm not saying that you're a bad person or anything, but maybe there is a game you play that makes you unable to calmly confront critisism.
Thanks for the effort man, but next time, try not to speak if you feel yourself welling up with hate.
LOL. I'm sure that helps.
I don't suppose anyone else was in attendance with a video camera?
Are you still going to post the video? or have you posted it already? I'll check for it again in a bit but won't be able to hear it untill I get home. The computer hear does not have sound drivers :(
But otherwise don't worry about it. You live, learn and move on
Posting from school.
- Warren Lewis
(sigh...)
Well, at least you seem to understand that you didn't conduct yourself as you should have.
Hopefully you will learn from the experience and move on...
Oh, wait. The ego and publicity needs feeding.
The name has always thrown people for some reason. I mean within close proximity to each other we have California, Washington, and Indiana.
I remember one story a teacher told me about a student from Africa that came to the college. He thought he was going to the state of California and as such packed accordingly based on internet research. Shorts, T-shirts, and the like.
Remember the scene from "Cool Runnings"? Where they get off the plane and it's literally a blizzard outside? That's what the teacher said it was like (20 degrees in January and 3 inches of snow) But after adjusting to the climate, he graduated and is a computer engineer somewhere.
He is only making people want Grand Theft Auto, Bully, The Warriors, and Manhunt more. He isn't helping anybody but Rockstar Games. I hate his guts still because he's an anti-game activist, but I think he is the best free advertising agency that Rockstar Games has. He makes himself look like and idiot and makes more people buy their products. It's ironic. He says, "I'm absolutely out to destroy Rockstar Games," and he's doing the exact opposite. Way to go, moron, you're either a great marketing executive, secretely working for Rockstar Games, or you're the DEE DEE DEE of the year.
Awesome.
Video or Audio?
And where will it be posted at?
Posting from school.
- Warren Lewis
Posted mine too late. Google Video? cool. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Still posting from school.
- Warren Lewis
On an unrealted note, what is the deal with Pennsylvania haing universities named after other states? A California University AND an Indiana University in Pennsylvania? weird.
Gerard Jones's book, "Killing Monsters", has a whole chapter about baised studies on media effects, so it's more than likely that he'll be very prepared to debunk most evidence that Jack Thompson can provide, at least, as well as can be done in a debate. I imagine that Jones would be familiar with the most well known sources that JT often cites.
I'd give Jones the benefit of the doubt. Screw it, I'll give JT the benefit of the doubt also. Maybe pigs really will fly out of my...
Of course, whether or not this will happen depends on his maturity level in this debate. Hopefully this debate doesn't resemble his childish response to Dennis' questions last week.
Debate has one crucial flaw that Mr. Thompson will surely take advantage of: There is no way to disprove a lying debater. Thompson will say that games have been proven tobe harmful to children, then will cite a clearly biased study, and unless Jones is familiar with the specific study cited he can do nothing but present his own evidence in contradiction, but there is no way to prove empirically which one of them is using the botched information.
And if that fails Thompson will simply provoke Jones into making an ass of himself, as he's shown to be quite good at that.
Or, he's going to pull out of the debate at the last possible moment.
I just can't feasibly see him engaging in a debate. Will he try to make himself a martyr?
I WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AT THIS EVENT AND WILL BE RECORDING IT.
And then to top it off: don't M/AO games make up the *minority* of all games being released? If the video game industry really has this so-call "corruption conspiracy" going on. Then why are M games the minority?
1- The first amendment allows these games to be produced and sold, be they violent, sexually explicit, or otherwise deviant from the JT path of spiritual purity.
2- If the game is purchased then the purchaser is therefore allowed to do with it what he/she sees fit. Even if that something is give it to a child to play.
3- A majority of stores in the nation that sell videogames do not allow AO or M rated games to be sold to children, if that does happen, it's due to cashier negligence, not because the evil videogame industry is trying to undermine your strong Christian values.
4- Free speech does not have an age limit.
5- Adult Videogames are merely produced, no one is forcing them on children or minors, even if you believe that this is some tobacco industry style demographic targetting campaign.
I asked why Jack called gamers worse than Nazi's, Skinheads, and others...why he said someone should go play a suicide simulator and get really good at it....
unfortunately... I attempted to interupt him several times, very unprofessionally....
After he changed the subject arround on me a few times I became disgusted and turned my back and gave him the finger....
I'm ashamed to call myself a gamer right now....I really am. That I attempted to confront him about how he treated individuals like gamers, and in the end became the confirming factor.
After the debate was over I did approach Mr. Thompson and offered my apologies for doing something like that the way I did.... Luckily he accepted them. unfortunately this will be written about in the newspaper and other news sources, will be on video on television here....
I'm really sorry guys.... I really am..... I've failed you all
If he does show, I'm sure it'll be a wonderful trainwreck to watch though. I hope we get to see a YouTube video of it.
With this in mind, I would expect this to turn into a one-sided shouting match if it's not moderated. Sad, but I have yet to see Thompson react with courtesy to someone disagreeing with him and I don't expect Jones to be able to be the bigger bully when it gets ugly.
You all saw what happened with the footage of him in court when the judge was giving him a dressing down. Instead of calmly waiting until the other person was finished speaking (which is an especially good idea if the person is a Judge), Thompson kept interrupting and trying to bully across his opinion, as he is so convinced he is right he will not even consider other points of view. The same thing with the G4 interview.
Hopefully there will be a mediator for this debate who is not affiliated with Mr. Thompson and will actually call him up if and when he does this and explain the rules to him: "You speak, the other guy listens, then it's his turn to speak and for you to listen."
Jack 'weaseled' out of the other debate challenges because no one was paying him then.
He must be getting compensated for this debate tour.
In Jack Thompson's mind anything violent and anything where there is women.
That can be applied to TV, movies, and the bible. So whats ur point?
hmm makes me wonder if Jack Thompson takes his child to the beach? or the the mall.
I wish Capcom would parody his ass. Not like he'd notice anyway.
PEACE!