In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
February 13, 2007
Students of Loyola-Marymount University will debate First Amendment issues and video game violence tonight in Los Angeles.The event is part of the school newspaper's First Amendment Week. Beginning at 4:00 P.M. participants will have an opportunity to try Super Columbine Massacre RPG, the controversial indie game project created by Colorado filmmaker Danny Ledonne (left).
Ledonne will speak at 7:00 P.M.
SCMRPG is almost certainly the most controversial amateur game ever released. As has been reported by GamePolitics and elsewhere, the game has been accused of inspiring Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill's September, 2006 rampage. More recently, SCMRPG made headlines when it was removed from from the Slamdance Guerilla Games competition by the event's organizer.
GP: Thanks to correspondent Colin "Jabrwock" McInnes for the tip!
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Posted 11/08/09 at 12:24am
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
Posted 11/07/09 at 11:33pm
JDKJ: BREAKING: In photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
JDKJ: BREAKING: In photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:27pm
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:26pm
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:23pm
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
Posted 11/07/09 at 03:34pm
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
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I'm not exactly clear when this game violence debate will happen...from the article it just sounds like people will get to play the game and then listen to DL speak.
I don't think they'll be debating SCMRPG (there might be a Q&A after they hera Ledonne speak though), but there are debates during the rest of the week on other 1st Amend related issues in other media.
Heh. So that's why he was going to LA.
Oh. Well, I'm still interested in what LeDonne has to say, especially if people try to grill him afterwards.
Looks like Danny's going Justin Timberlake for his little celebrity appearance. =)
This article sucks and who cares what people want to do online? This game isn't even in stores. These anti-game activists are idiots and they need to grow brains. This game also should have been allowed to contend for an award and it sucks that it was thrown off.
They aren't ALL idiots they either a. don't know what they're talking about or b. they are trying to change what people see as to how they see fit, which is tyrannical at best.
#1: Why did you address that post to me?
#2: What anti-game activists?
#3: If you don't care what people do online, why do you care whether SCMRPG contends for an award or not?
#1: You addressed me in your first post up there.
#2: Anti-game activists are the ones who are against the game.
#3: I think it sucks that it was thrown out for an award because some people complained about it.
I read your post and started laughing for about 10 minutes.
#1 You self centered/abosrbed/whatever ass, The "Danny" he refers to is "Danny Ledonne", the guy pictured at the top of the article who made Super Columbine RPG. Not everything is about you, you have a fairly common name.
#2 This is an article about and event that is ebing held to discuss the first amendment across the line. Anti game activists had little or no mention till you brought them up in your usually fashion.
#3 We had a big thread on that a while back, one where you posted your usual garbage while others tried to have intelligent discourse about the issue. Also welcome to capitalism/America/freedom/democracy/ect a private group has the right to withdraw sponsorship from something they feels does not represent their views, even if we don't like it.
You have no reason to answer this post, so please, don't derail this thread, its going so well, and for once I feel like I can post on topic.
I'm not going to derail this thread, but I thought that he was addressing me because we exchange comments a lot. I know my name is popular and I made a mistake, but I honestly thought he was anticipating that I was going to slam the people who are against SCMRPG. I screwed up and got confused. My bad.
"Go get ‘em, Danny. From the Loyola article, it looks like there’s at least one uninformed person who needs to be set straight about your game already."
#1: I can see how you got confused, what with that controversial game you invented that's been in the news recently.
#2: I know what an anti-game activist is, thanks Professor.
#3: So I guess you do care what people do online, after all.
Okay, I misread it. When I see the name Daniel or Danny in one of your posts, I assume it's directed at me because we exchange comments all the time. I guess I was so anxious to post a comment, that I didn't read the whole thing. I screwed up and I didn't read it carefully. Can we drop it now? I f***ed up. Okay, enough already.
My name is Brian Rubinow. I'm a student at Loyola Marymount University, staff member on the school paper, and organizer of the event featuring Mr. Ledonne. I was ecstatic to see that our little event has garnered outside coverage.
In answer to a couple of your questions, everyone who attended was very respectful, and it did not turn into a hysterical anti-game dialogue. Mr. Ledonne gave a very eloquent speech and answered questions from attendees afterwards. There will be an in-depth article about this event, as well as other events during First Amendment Week, in future issues of the Loyolan.
If anyone has further questions, feel free to contact me at brubinow@theloyolan.com, and you can read our paper online at www.laloyolan.com
Okay, I ****ed up reading that. However, there's no mistake about the other thing where I wasn't even talking to you and you said, "God you're a dumbass," and then tell me that I started it. You have totally failed to even respond to that detail because you know that if you acknowledge that you said that first, in that other thread, that you started it. At least I admit when I'm wrong.
@ Everybody
Keep talking about what you were talking about. Yoshiko irritates me; ignore it and keep going with the topic.
I did not say that I did not "start it". I know I called you a dumbass first. I was pretending to quote you when I said "Waaah. You started it. Waaah" because you sounded like a whiney child. I was making fun of you. How this slipped past you, I have no idea. I know this, stop telling me that I do not acknowledge this. I never said that you started it.
Now don't be a hypocrite, and admit that you were wrong, and misread yet another post.
I thought you were surprised that I said that and you where saying whaaaaaaaaaaat sort of. I guess I was wrong, but you are always saying that I'm low when you started the whole mess. Think about that.
the article is up, Mr. Ledonne portion is mid-article down, the link is on "Brian Rubinow" a couple of post up.
It would have been nice to get a transcript of the whole ordeal and the questions asked.
However that leaves me wonder how many other didn't and walked away with out really thinking about the point. I wonder how many left with games= only entertainment still imprinted in their brains.