In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
In L.A., Students Debate Game Violence, 1st Amendment, Super Columbine RPG
February 13, 2007
Students of Loyola-Marymount University will debate First Amendment issues and video game violence tonight in Los Angeles.The event is part of the school newspaper's First Amendment Week. Beginning at 4:00 P.M. participants will have an opportunity to try Super Columbine Massacre RPG, the controversial indie game project created by Colorado filmmaker Danny Ledonne (left).
Ledonne will speak at 7:00 P.M.
SCMRPG is almost certainly the most controversial amateur game ever released. As has been reported by GamePolitics and elsewhere, the game has been accused of inspiring Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill's September, 2006 rampage. More recently, SCMRPG made headlines when it was removed from from the Slamdance Guerilla Games competition by the event's organizer.
GP: Thanks to correspondent Colin "Jabrwock" McInnes for the tip!
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DeepThorn: Dero, I swear she told me she was 18.
DeepThorn: Dero, I swear she told me she was 18.
Posted 01/06/09 at 03:07pm
HarmlessBunny: @PHX Corp: No surprise. Jack's favorite desperation move: Image-laden filings that make zero sense! Guarunteed to piss someone off, and provide hilarity to us
HarmlessBunny: @PHX Corp: No surprise. Jack's favorite desperation move: Image-laden filings that make zero sense! Guarunteed to piss someone off, and provide hilarity to us
Posted 01/06/09 at 01:54pm
Derovius: What did you call my little sister?
Derovius: What did you call my little sister?
Posted 01/06/09 at 01:38pm
DeepThorn: 'Security' additions, which means it protects the music, which you bought, and have the right to use. It doesnt stop illegal activity, and even copying the music onto 2 back up CDs isnt illegal. Giving one to your little sister is border line.
DeepThorn: 'Security' additions, which means it protects the music, which you bought, and have the right to use. It doesnt stop illegal activity, and even copying the music onto 2 back up CDs isnt illegal. Giving one to your little sister is border line.
Posted 01/06/09 at 01:36pm
CK20XX: What's it gonna take for JT to get arrested? It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
CK20XX: What's it gonna take for JT to get arrested? It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Posted 01/06/09 at 12:12pm
PHX Corp: Look on JAABLOG at his recent court filings he's starting to post pictures again http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DB5ODRNE
PHX Corp: Look on JAABLOG at his recent court filings he's starting to post pictures again http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DB5ODRNE
Posted 01/06/09 at 11:51am
CMiner: It's the same as the controversy over Sony's rootkits in their music CDs, as far as a separation of the issues of cd content and the security additions.
CMiner: It's the same as the controversy over Sony's rootkits in their music CDs, as far as a separation of the issues of cd content and the security additions.
Posted 01/06/09 at 11:27am
Vake Xeacons: But there does need to be a limit on DRM. I mean, CD check's okay, but spyware? That's an invasion of privacy!
Vake Xeacons: But there does need to be a limit on DRM. I mean, CD check's okay, but spyware? That's an invasion of privacy!
Posted 01/06/09 at 11:00am
Krono: @insanejedi: DRM isn't an aspect of the game. Unless you can make an argument that Securom is an intregal part of Spore that the game would be an incomplete experience without.
Krono: @insanejedi: DRM isn't an aspect of the game. Unless you can make an argument that Securom is an intregal part of Spore that the game would be an incomplete experience without.
Posted 01/06/09 at 10:57am
insanejedi: It's asking the government to regulate aspects of a game. Their just going to use this as a backdoor to regulate other aspects.
insanejedi: It's asking the government to regulate aspects of a game. Their just going to use this as a backdoor to regulate other aspects.
Posted 01/06/09 at 10:53am
Krono: @insanejedi: DRM = trade practice, Violence in games = speech. I'm not seeing the similarity here.
Krono: @insanejedi: DRM = trade practice, Violence in games = speech. I'm not seeing the similarity here.
Posted 01/06/09 at 10:40am
insanejedi: Guys, Regulation of DRM is fudementally the same as regulating violence in games...
insanejedi: Guys, Regulation of DRM is fudementally the same as regulating violence in games...
Posted 01/06/09 at 10:13am
sortableturnip: He's in full swing now, asking for all expenses paid by the Florida Bar.
sortableturnip: He's in full swing now, asking for all expenses paid by the Florida Bar.
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:51am
sortableturnip: @ Simonbob: isn't it better to read the comments, LOL wise?
sortableturnip: @ Simonbob: isn't it better to read the comments, LOL wise?
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:41am
SimonBob: You could've mentioned it's close to the bottom, although it's good to know he's actually got an okay golf swing.
SimonBob: You could've mentioned it's close to the bottom, although it's good to know he's actually got an okay golf swing.
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:41am
PHX Corp: @Sourtable T JT's brain acts like a cookoo clock, It never stops Cookooing
PHX Corp: @Sourtable T JT's brain acts like a cookoo clock, It never stops Cookooing
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:23am
sortableturnip: In his latest filing, JT claims he is still admitted to practice as an attorney in the Southern District of Florida: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2007/09/04/pardon-our-appearance.aspx?pg=3&view=threaded
sortableturnip: In his latest filing, JT claims he is still admitted to practice as an attorney in the Southern District of Florida: http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/2007/09/04/pardon-our-appearance.aspx?pg=3&view=threaded
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:13am
SimonBob: Or the falsified usernames of gaming company CEOs. :P
SimonBob: Or the falsified usernames of gaming company CEOs. :P
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:07am
Alevan: Yeah, he doesn't use the shoutbox... then again, he doesn't like to confront his problems head on. He hides behind the "law"
Alevan: Yeah, he doesn't use the shoutbox... then again, he doesn't like to confront his problems head on. He hides behind the "law"
Posted 01/06/09 at 09:05am
SimonBob: It's funny, Alevan, I've never seen him respond to anything in the shoutbox. I think he's got tunnel vision.
SimonBob: It's funny, Alevan, I've never seen him respond to anything in the shoutbox. I think he's got tunnel vision.
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I'm not exactly clear when this game violence debate will happen...from the article it just sounds like people will get to play the game and then listen to DL speak.
I don't think they'll be debating SCMRPG (there might be a Q&A after they hera Ledonne speak though), but there are debates during the rest of the week on other 1st Amend related issues in other media.
Heh. So that's why he was going to LA.
Oh. Well, I'm still interested in what LeDonne has to say, especially if people try to grill him afterwards.
Looks like Danny's going Justin Timberlake for his little celebrity appearance. =)
This article sucks and who cares what people want to do online? This game isn't even in stores. These anti-game activists are idiots and they need to grow brains. This game also should have been allowed to contend for an award and it sucks that it was thrown off.
They aren't ALL idiots they either a. don't know what they're talking about or b. they are trying to change what people see as to how they see fit, which is tyrannical at best.
#1: Why did you address that post to me?
#2: What anti-game activists?
#3: If you don't care what people do online, why do you care whether SCMRPG contends for an award or not?
#1: You addressed me in your first post up there.
#2: Anti-game activists are the ones who are against the game.
#3: I think it sucks that it was thrown out for an award because some people complained about it.
I read your post and started laughing for about 10 minutes.
#1 You self centered/abosrbed/whatever ass, The "Danny" he refers to is "Danny Ledonne", the guy pictured at the top of the article who made Super Columbine RPG. Not everything is about you, you have a fairly common name.
#2 This is an article about and event that is ebing held to discuss the first amendment across the line. Anti game activists had little or no mention till you brought them up in your usually fashion.
#3 We had a big thread on that a while back, one where you posted your usual garbage while others tried to have intelligent discourse about the issue. Also welcome to capitalism/America/freedom/democracy/ect a private group has the right to withdraw sponsorship from something they feels does not represent their views, even if we don't like it.
You have no reason to answer this post, so please, don't derail this thread, its going so well, and for once I feel like I can post on topic.
I'm not going to derail this thread, but I thought that he was addressing me because we exchange comments a lot. I know my name is popular and I made a mistake, but I honestly thought he was anticipating that I was going to slam the people who are against SCMRPG. I screwed up and got confused. My bad.
"Go get ‘em, Danny. From the Loyola article, it looks like there’s at least one uninformed person who needs to be set straight about your game already."
#1: I can see how you got confused, what with that controversial game you invented that's been in the news recently.
#2: I know what an anti-game activist is, thanks Professor.
#3: So I guess you do care what people do online, after all.
Okay, I misread it. When I see the name Daniel or Danny in one of your posts, I assume it's directed at me because we exchange comments all the time. I guess I was so anxious to post a comment, that I didn't read the whole thing. I screwed up and I didn't read it carefully. Can we drop it now? I f***ed up. Okay, enough already.
My name is Brian Rubinow. I'm a student at Loyola Marymount University, staff member on the school paper, and organizer of the event featuring Mr. Ledonne. I was ecstatic to see that our little event has garnered outside coverage.
In answer to a couple of your questions, everyone who attended was very respectful, and it did not turn into a hysterical anti-game dialogue. Mr. Ledonne gave a very eloquent speech and answered questions from attendees afterwards. There will be an in-depth article about this event, as well as other events during First Amendment Week, in future issues of the Loyolan.
If anyone has further questions, feel free to contact me at brubinow@theloyolan.com, and you can read our paper online at www.laloyolan.com
Okay, I ****ed up reading that. However, there's no mistake about the other thing where I wasn't even talking to you and you said, "God you're a dumbass," and then tell me that I started it. You have totally failed to even respond to that detail because you know that if you acknowledge that you said that first, in that other thread, that you started it. At least I admit when I'm wrong.
@ Everybody
Keep talking about what you were talking about. Yoshiko irritates me; ignore it and keep going with the topic.
I did not say that I did not "start it". I know I called you a dumbass first. I was pretending to quote you when I said "Waaah. You started it. Waaah" because you sounded like a whiney child. I was making fun of you. How this slipped past you, I have no idea. I know this, stop telling me that I do not acknowledge this. I never said that you started it.
Now don't be a hypocrite, and admit that you were wrong, and misread yet another post.
I thought you were surprised that I said that and you where saying whaaaaaaaaaaat sort of. I guess I was wrong, but you are always saying that I'm low when you started the whole mess. Think about that.
the article is up, Mr. Ledonne portion is mid-article down, the link is on "Brian Rubinow" a couple of post up.
It would have been nice to get a transcript of the whole ordeal and the questions asked.
However that leaves me wonder how many other didn't and walked away with out really thinking about the point. I wonder how many left with games= only entertainment still imprinted in their brains.