wow......let me bring my trains in so I can wreck them ^0^
“What America has that Japan and Canada lack is a high level of poverty, excessive gun ownership, drug abuse, broken homes, illegitimacy and gangs.”

Guns:Ok here my thought about guns,the US has a large/good size populace,because we has allot of guns they can inflate our murder pre capa ratios,but thats about all they do,they will not start or stop someone from robbing someone else if thats the only niche they can fall into to survive witch brings me to Poverty/Broken Homes .

Poverty/Broken Homes
These can be tied together,the stresses on lower class familes can be madding,now add the fact you have to work 2-3 jobs in most cases to have good health care and save for a house and send your kids to collage....its just bad now add the single factor into the mix people trying to live trying to have relationships,ect,ect ,add all these stressers on a populace and its going to up the ratio of violence and death with or without guns or illegitimacy...

illegitimacy
straw-win much? (strawman-godwin)

Because of the factors of Poverty/Broken Homes , illegitimacy is well....illegitimized,well its true the factors of a single parent home can raise violence and stress its the system we have that can not easily help the poor and working poor that create excess violence and gangs.


Gangs
Poverty/Broken Homes is going to help with gangs greatly,like disenfranchised militias they group together and hate everyone around them gaining weapons to gain control it comes down to a goverment that dose not give a damn abotu its people and they can survive in a system that ignores them (law) can not handle them(police) and will not help them(fixing poverty and school)


Ben Payne
I cant find me studies but I think it was like a whole 15-25% that a kid will come out "better" from "marriage"(2 parent union of any kind)
,its a factor but poverty and a bad school system is the catalyst that starts the domino effect.

that aside they like their hellfire and brimstone it keeps them warm at night because they dun like females 0-o (cant help it on a roll :P)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U058nz0Jepg

Heres The FCC video guys.

Sorry people, I cant seem to find the report on-line anywhere.

I guess it has'nt been put on-line or maybe it's already gone...

There seems to be a flame war about......

Exactly. It's not a question of how the child is raised. It's the fact that they're attacking the fact that people are having children without getting married. I completely agree that a child of a broken home is more likely to have a 'bad' influence, but marriage has nothing to do with anything. Does that mean that every child adopted by a gay couple is a lost cause? HELL NO! If you want to attack a child being brought up in a poor environment or without proper influence, fine, but leave marriage out of it. A legal document and spiritual promise has little to no bearing on how the child will be raised.

"Also if we start censoring the TV can we censor Fox news and take off the Christian Stations because they offend me more than violence"

Were this to pass those statuions would likely be the only ones left untouched.

I actually agree with Ben Payne and I am a Christian. In his last post before mine, he most likely didn't even talk about single parent homes. But simply about the fact that the parents aren't married.

By attacking Ben Payne's opinion about Christianity, we act in the same exact way Jack does. Marriage in itself is just a relgious bond between two people. In my country they allow you to get the same exact rights without getting actually married, we call it a living-together contract. In a country that acts as if state and church are divided, you sure hear a lot that shows the opposite. Just look at the stance of US on homosexual marriages, it is all about religion. Unfortunately my country now has a government that is starting to act the same way because we have a Christian party in our coaltion that wants to force religious morals on everyone. I am as a Christain am against this because morals shouldn't be about religion at all. Those Christians are the ones that seems to be too willingly to forget that Jesus treated everyone with respect, no matter who they are. But I went off topic with this. I just think that the attack on Ben is uncalled for. It shows a lack of understanding what he is trying to say.

Look at places like Holbrook, Arizona. In 1866 a SIXTH of the population of the town died in arguments and consequent shootings.

Basically to look at anything other than people for the cause of this situation is ultimately fruitless, you can blame it guns, you can blame it on religion, you can blame it on divorce, but at the end of the day millions own a gun, millions worship a God and millions are born out of wedlock, yet only one or two people will crack.

The responses to my first comment demonstrate the stranglehold Christianity (and other religions, but Christianity is the easy target) has on the masses. We've been bombarded with media and the idea that if a child is born out of wedlock, that child is a lost cause. Just because someone isn't married doesn't directly mean that he/she is a child of a broken home, or will grow up in a foster home. I know people who's parents weren't married, but stayed together. I know people who's parents left them, and grandparents, or aunts/uncles raised them. Yes, children born after marriage may be less likely to grow up in a foster home, or on the streets, but there's PLENTY of divorce these days that marriage is NOT the end all be all of the 'perfect' family life.

Yeah, my whole bashing Christianity was uncalled for. It's more of a result of many religions, but in the US, it's something like 75% Christianity when it comes to religion, so it's my default target. My bad. Lemme rephrase to "This is nothing more than a bunch of [religious] moral bullshit."

Does any one else see that episode of family guy ocurring any time soon. U know the one where they start censoring real life.

Or that other episode of American Dad.

Also I would like to point out that its a fact that Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world. There are many different arguements as to why this is it maybe culture it maybe beliefs and ideologies but one thing is certain they have some of the most horrific and violent media of all and yet have the lowest crime rate.

And common canada also has a low crime rate and they basically see every thing the US sees in terms of media. Now why is that.

Common on now is media the only thing that creates violence even before there was mass media? the simple answer NO.

Also if we start censoring the TV can we censor Fox news and take off the Christian Stations because they offend me more than violence

"I honestly don’t see this getting through, since it would include violent images in the News etc, you’d be effectively censoring an entire population."

I think that's the whole idea behind this in the first place. If the government can control what information the people can get, then they in effect control the people.

I think one of the big reasons they don't want to go after the root causes is, let us face it, there is too much profit to be made in many of them. Poverty is extremaly profitable, as is gun lobbying and drugs.

And even trying to touch the broken homes/illegitimacy issues quickly crosses women's lib, domestic abuse, abortion, religious issues, and a whole host of hot-button stuff that there is far more power to be gained by hyping them up then dealing with the actual problems.

@The gaming Dutch

Got a link? I'd like to read that, maybe not if it's in german. Havent spoke or read it in years.

Well, I guess it was inevitable that this come back to bite us in the arse.

For a long time, we've been demanding equal treatment to television. So instead of lessening the restrictions on games, they're trying to tighten them on television...

Still, it won't work. The FCC is seriously overstepping it's bounds if it thinks it can regulated content on cable, violence or otherwise. And if it over-regulated the airwaves, it will just drive people straight to cable...

The FCC can mandate that all broadcast shows be HD by a certain date, but they can't order cable companies to do the same...

Well, it's like the whole ID Cards thing that is being pushed through in the US at the moment, it'll get exactly as far as Congress.

Word of advice on the ID Cards thing from the UK. Don't. It actually makes it easier to commit ID Theft because all your details are stored on one handy stealable piece of plastic, all you need to do is decrypt it, and that isn't hard (in fact, on the US cards, they aren't even ENcrypted). And it'll cost a tax fortune to make.

I honestly don't see this getting through, since it would include violent images in the News etc, you'd be effectively censoring an entire population.

Basically playing 'See no Evil', 'Hear no Evil', 'Speak no Evil' is a pretty stupid and immature way for any reasonable country to behave.

Of course it would be smarter to go after the real causes of violence. But which one are most politicians going to go for: the smart way or the way that gets them more votes? The answer is obvious.

"Wouldn’t it be smarter to go after the real causes of violence in our society rather than seeking a scapegoat in televised violence?"

Truer words never spoken, even if this has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. all of the US' problems get swept under the rug as those would take money to fix, and we know in america the all mighty dollar rules all it seems, and we want other nations to see a utopia, america is supposed to be a land of happy families and white picket fences, so its best not many see one thing out of place. As long as politicians are more concerned with keeping their high paying cushy job, those who need help won't be helped.

"The segment ended showing a german counterstrike tournament and with a comment that the players actually seemed LESS violent after playing."

I'm surprised no riot police burst in and shot up all the computers.

"Wouldn’t it be smarter to go after the real causes of violence in our society rather than seeking a scapegoat in televised violence?"

Yes, it would be smarter, but not nearly as easy.

What the FCC is trying to do here (aside from trying to exceed its mandate -again-) is basically doomed. Courts have slapped the FCC down for exceeding its authority before (most recently for their attempt to make the Broadcast Flag mandatory). "Obscenity" is already defined by Supreme Court decision. An act of congress (basically a federal law) redefining "obscenity" would simply result in a federal court hearing a case, saying "Miller defines Obscenity as sexual", and a finding against the FCC and the act.

Yesterday there was a short newsreport on the push by Germany to create a European gaming law.

One of the ministers in the piece claimed that violence is porn and porn is violence. A strang idea...

The reporters had done their research and concluded that the quoted "scientific proof" was totally inconclusive and highly suggestive.

The segment ended showing a german counterstrike tournament and with a comment that the players actually seemed LESS violent after playing.

true to be told

adult japan tv...

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