Re: Andrew Riley

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/content/local_news/stories/2007/03/24/r...

Turns out it's 26 charges, not 128.

Before I begin I might have "the wrong end of the stick" so dont leave loads of "OMG FUXOR NOOB" messages if I say something stupid or wrong.

I just cannot understand this man. The games are rated 18 (UK) for a reason. If these children end up playing what is strictly an "adult" game it is fundamentaly the fault of the parents or the retailers who do not care enough about to whom this product is being sold, not the developers. It is exactly the same scenario with the porn/beer/cigarette/gun industries.

To the people who suggest making a "child friendly GTA", what is the point? For a start it wouldn't sell because everyone would be thinking: "I bet the 18 rated one is better" and of course it wouldnt be the same game, it would be on a par with some Simpsons based rubbish of which there is already plenty. The very idea (perhaps even soul) of the game is based around (often violent) crime, the word "theft" is even in the title. It would be like Tekken where rather than fighting the two players had to compliment each other on their outfits and make polite conversation rather than knock each other unconcious.

If (I say "if" because I am not entirely sure) he is a religious man as some reports have mentioned, well thats bloody typical - they spend thousands of years killing innocents in REAL LIFE and stepping in the way of science where-ever possible (evolution, the telescope, just to name two examples) and NOW they have the gall to tell us not to kill people who don't even exist.

If part of his case is that violent games like "Manhunt" and "GTA" turn certain people into killers, then surely those people should have been locked up in the first place if a set of pixels is liable to turn them into a killing machine - again, not the publisher's/developer's responsibility.

I will admit now that I find it deeply satisfying to go on a computer generated killing spree after a hard day of work, it is the fact that I can just do this with a game and vent all my frustrations on NPCs who wander around saying "Ma mother is ma sister" that prevents me from getting unecessarily annoyed (homicidal, take your pick Mr Thompson) with REAL people.

To summarise:

1) Mr Thompson - do something really worhwhile like using your legal skills to investigate the blatant corruption in the US (and UK - I am English btw, so no "oi johnny forienger!" comments pls) governments.
2) Religion is bad - Common sense and decency are good. You just have to look at history to find that out. And no the two do not mix - just read a little bit of Martin Luther (NOT Dr King - the other one).
3) Parents - Open your fucking eyes and read the label next time little Timmy asks for a game rather than just dishing out the cash to shut him up, be a parent rather than a sap.
4) Nutjobs intent on going on killing sprees - stay away from computer games/beer/drugs/weapons/other people/vehicles/any combination of the aformentioned.

Peace out and long live the freedom of publication that allows GTA etc. to be produced.

bizley@felsted.org

I hate Jack Thompson.....No really
I dispise Jack Thompson....Not kidding
I curse Jack Thomspon.....I hope he will lose the lawsuit pies his pant over it....
I'm not very original am I?

My question is: what exactly is Take Two doing that is illegal? What constitutional law are they breaking? I don't care about morals, I mean the porn industry is destroying more morals than games are, so what is Take Two doing that is illegal?
Or any game for that matter?
It seems that Thompson should go after porn: more young kids see porn than play games. Just look at the $ for each industry.

[...] Source: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/03/17/thompson-reacts-to-take-two-lawsuit/ [...]

Rapture isn't in the Bible. It's some made up "nice and cuddly" idea that people use to get around the fact that the end days will be huge persecution against Christians as the beast has his reign. It's quite clear that Christians will suffer in the end times before the Second Coming.

God Bless you Jack. May you smite the heathen Take-Two and raise their heads upon high to show all of Gods enemies that we shall take no prisoners in the battle for souls.

*IT* Being video games

lol probably, speaking of which i'll be supporting the winning side, I may not be christian but i agree with the principles

God will win in the end no matter what happens here He has already won.

Jack, how are you Take-Two's most successful critic? You haven't won anything against them, you're facing more heat from the bar because of your court antics...how is any of that even close to success?

...I say to the blog he won't be posting in anytime soon...

What really scares me is the blind zealous behavior this guy shows. He is in his own fantasy world it seems, oblivious to facts, save for the facts he made up himself. Whats even worse, is that people are believing him, espically high ranking government offical types. I hope he loses his licence and gets his ass kicked in the law suit.

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Okay I'm done. :)


Finally good to see Jacky-boy getting what he so rightfully desreves for once.

Ty

"(Take Two’s law firm) Blank Rome… has, by this remarkable lawsuit, laid bare precisely what it is about - the silencing and destruction of Take-Two’s most abiding and most successful critic."

Wait a minute I thought Jack was trying to silence and destroy Take -two through excessive lawsuits, lies and half-truths.

Jack Thompson is a dick.

If you want more proof of the man's delusions, I would like to refer you to this thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2795...

... After reading the update im mostly convinced the man is delusional

Dont be so sure of this legal terror you've created. The ability to pass the bar is insignificant, next to the power of human stupidity.

Too bad I gave up saying his name or ranting about him for lent. :D

Hit the road Jack, and don't you come back no more no more no more no more! Hit the road Jack, and don't you come back no moooorree.

I heard a interesting proverb that applies especially well in relation to Thompson.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

He will continue his work until he is damned to hell for it.

I don't know. Andrew Riley didnt train on GTA Vice City very well. He didnt kill anyone or had see with a prostitute.

Surely this email claiming he is going to destroy Take Two is evidence that should be presented in court of his non stop harrassment. The guy needs some time in prison for his stalking ways.

Yup, apparently they had almost no heating or furniture but did have a '54" Plasma TV to play GTA on'.

So, who bought the Plasma TV over furniture and heating, the 13 year old? I think not.

What should be happening is that Take Two can concentrate on making a child friendly version of GTA4 that features no violence lor adult content. You throw rotten eggs instead of using weapons etc, ask people for their car keys, not car jack them. This version plays on any console that has been locked by a concerned parent who wants to make sure their children don't play games or DVD's that are not appropriate for their kids ages. All consoles now have this feature.

This would cost games developers more money, but provide a very responsable form of entertainment and a even bigger market for games.

Games are not like films, there can be 10 different versions of a game on the same disk.

By working with educational specialists and the games industry "Jack" could help the games industry provide new revenue streams and entertainment for all ages.

Instead, he seems to have been shouting "I want to be famous, do as your told take two, or else" and not achieving anything.

I want to play the 18+, "let's car jack and shoot everyone version of GTA4" I would like my children to be able to play the "lets drive around throw rotten eggs and solve puzzles and be rewarded for being a good citizen version!" I'd play that version with them even on my own once I had finished the "adult" version just for the replay value alone. When they are 18 they can choose which version they want to play.

Should all entertainment be made only for children as adults can't be trusted to make sure children don't use use or view it? Because thats half the books, albums and films ever made straight in the bin! Is this what Jack wants? Is he asking me to burn books????

A logical case could be made using "Jacks" arguement of protecting children from adult content that the "Bible" is full of war, ethnic cleansing, murder, violence, infantcide, adultry, homosexual references, sexual references and gore etc. Should we ban anyone from under 18 being able to view it?

Take Two could stop their critics if they did some of the above. Console makes should provide "idiot proof" age related control on their consoles. If Jack really wants to help then that is what he should be concentrating on.

@BearDogg-X...

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2007/03/14/2007031...

You can thank Retard Jack himself for this one. Thanks to him, we learn of this one Andrew Riley, a 13-year-old boy with over 120(!!!) criminal charges.

And Retard Jack hears stuff to get him to blame GTA: Vice City. And earlier on this thread, someone posted this link:

http://kotaku.com/commenter/jackthompson/

Which pretty much shows Retard Jack's true nature. The kind of nature GamePolitics has had to live without. Oh well...

Wow. Charged with 128 crimes at 13? I don't think having him in juvie until he's 21 will be enough "rehab".

Jack found yet another Lionel Tate to leech onto.

What a bloody self righteous idiot.

Wouldn't some conflict of interest come up if you own stock in a company, and file a lawsuit against said company?

as much as i would enjoy seeing JT lose his license to practice law, watching him fail and unwittingly give hype to GTA4 and Manhunt 2 will be enough for me to sit back and enjoy a beer

Coming to a courtroom somewhere in Florida sometime next week...

Legal Wars
The Idiot Strikes Back

Starring: John B. Thompson, Blank Rome, One Pissed Off Judge, and James Earl Jones as Narrator

What will Jack have under his sleeve? Half-truths? Blatant Lies? Surpise Witnesses; each more surprising than the last?


After taking in some of the words exchanged (primarily by Jack), it sounds like someone is about to get taken behind the woodshed.

Sheesh. This guy's further proof why America needs to rely more on logic thinking rather than emotional thinking.

No one is standing up against jack on a gamers perspective. T2 is only doing this for money reasons first and for most.

Id like to file a class action lawsuit against Jack for the gamers he has labeled so evil. RAWWWR who is with me

"Dear Jackass,

People who really know how to “strike back” don’t talk about doing so beforehand, they just do it. "

It's likely an attempt to scare Take Two into backing down

"Take-Two’s most abiding and most successful critic."

Thus why Take-Two Interactive still exists today.

Maybe they want to get rid of Jack so he will stop advertising for them, here me out on this one, recent games released by said company far outsold what was expected to in preorders and what not hence the delay in releases. The company had to make more to meet the high demand and this meant over time for many employees, and thus severely over-working the employees. Yes of course it all makes sooo much sense now with Thompson out of the way they can all take a vacation without worrying about meeting a ridiculously high quota for the next upcoming games, those clever bastards...

/end sarcastic rant

Either Jack has a VERY large trump card up his sleeve, or he's trying to BS his way out of this. Either way, it should be an... interesting court battle. All we need is for T2 to have Phoenix Wright and all will be right in the universe.

*cues the Theme of the Intergalactic Empire*

"Paul...*breathes* I am your father!"

Dear Jackass,

People who really know how to "strike back" don't talk about doing so beforehand, they just do it.

The funny part about the counter-offensive is that he claims a 13 year old boy dictated the fact that the house had no heating and furniture, but did have a 54" TV and a console.

incredible... He will loose and after that he will be remembered as the lawyer ( or should I say comedian?) that was destroyed by a games developer LOL

Kurisu7885: http://kotaku.com/commenter/jackthompson/

Still just as insane as ever.

Madness??? THIS IS SPARTA!!!

the sad part of all this really is just how dilousional jack really is. his actions have led him to a point where he is now facing legal action from the florida bar and take 2, yet he cannot and will not admit he has been wrong at any point. rather then seating back looking at what he has done, admit to himself he was wrong and try to move on he will continue down this self destrucive path untill he has nothing. its always someone elses fault when he fails and if these two lawsuits go against him then its going to be very interesting to see who he blames and how high up he thinks this conspiracy goes against him

i pity this man, i really do

Wait, that whole long string of BS about him praying to god and quoting pseudo-scripture, was legit? He bloody well posted to his own thread at Kotaku!

Oh man, I want play by play commentary for this! This is going to be the fight of the century!

Actually, he didn't buy shares for that reason, he got them so he could attend shareholder meetings and hopefully harass Paul Eibler directly, or any of the boarm members.

um...yeah...good luck with that jack.

"Said the desert to the grain of sand"

Successful? Successful?! Successful??!! I wouldn't call one pissed off judge, one overturned ruling, and one completely scrapped legislation successful. That sounds more like a complete and utter travesty. You've got to be kidding me.

As for the law-abiding part, since when does threatening judges and making false claim fall under law-abiding? Did I miss something important here?

When I go to the beach (or outside in general) I usually don't mind flys and ants very much. If they become too much of a nuisance though, I've got no choice but to squish the living daylights out of them.

@valthun

He bought those shares a long time ago, and uses them so he can have some sort of say in how the company is run. "Taking it down from the inside" and all that BS.

But not nearly enough to make any difference at all.

@valthun

if thats true the only reason i could think of him doing that for would be for him to have the ability to have say in some aspects of how things are run. think of it as some way of infiltrating them in his own little "covert opertation". not nessecarily hypocritical but definetly a sleazy way of manipulating things to go in his favor.

Well, its not hard to be the most successful critic of something, if your THE ONLY ONE...

“(Take Two’s law firm) Blank Rome… has, by this remarkable lawsuit, laid bare precisely what it is about - the silencing and destruction of Take-Two’s most abiding and most successful critic.”

Inaccurate choices of words aside, isn't this a natural reaction when Thompson's goal is the silencing and destruction of Take-Two? You can't complain about getting shelled by artillery when you're the one who declared war in the first place. It's time for him to own up to his actions.

well, of course Jack has peers... I'm pretty sure that's what he thinks the people who actually believe what he says is true are. And if not them, the family he goes home and complains to that he's never gonna win

Sorry for the double post, but I had to say the writ with the bar about the complaint is going to get him absolutely nowhere, especially considering one of the other complaints against him comes from the Judge in the Bully hearing...

Jack confuses 'successful' with 'annoying', he seems to equate the two, considering his comment that he has a first Amendment Right to 'Annoy People' made about a year ago.

Jack has had very little effect on Take 2's sales, and the effect he personally has had was mostly achieved through abusing the legal system or deliberate misdirection.

I don't doubt Jack is faxing his 'Poor Me, I'm hounded by the corporations' story to every News source he can find, but the fact of the matter remains that the opposite is actually the truth, Jack has harassed and smeared Take 2 for too long, he is getting exactly what he gave, and throwing a tantrum about it won't change the outcome, since the evidence Take 2 has appears to be pretty strong.

@maskedpixelante

jack thompson has peers?

this is so funny man, this guy is in for the worst wake-up call in history. if it doesnt happen this time, it will pretty damn soon.

Apparently, Jack doesn't get it. They are telling him to back off and they are telling him in the only way he seems to understand, by lawsuit. Karma has a funny way about things.

-Auto

Or maybe they just thought they'd shove your own medicine down your throat, Jack.

Or maybe, just maybe, they're tired of you harrassing them. Amazing, ain't it?

Jack is deathly afraid of this suit.

Whenever it's been "put up or shut up", he's shut up, never put up. I've given him direct questions that he's never answered (in GP, on LJ when he's posted) because I phrase it so there's no wiggle room. He is incapable of anything other than posturing.

There is no option other than "put up" in this case. He will lose, and he knows it.

What really gets my goat is that Wacko Jacko is already taking credit for the shareholder revolt going on at T2, and will no doubt be giggling with glee if and when it succeeds. Of course his laughter might die down a little when he discovers that the new leadership of T2 has no intention of dropping their lawsuit.

And by the way, Thompson does go after porn. It was his personal crusade before videogames, and even between that time, he was hounding 2 Live Crew and Howard Stern, using basically similar tactics as now. However, he's turned his bombast up to eleven, he's going straight for bible quotes in public statements, he's harrassing judges, making specific accusations of criminal conduct by, and all the other aspects of his behavior indicate that he's really popped a seam. Wacko Jacko is certainly going down in a fiery blaze, but down he'll go, and he'll be lucky to get on the 700 club when it's all said and done.

"Just because i go on homicidal sprees on games, doesn’t mean I don’t care for my fellow man"

By taking you frustrations out on bits of polygon and binary code, I think you won't be doing so anytime soon

@chuck

According to Jack, video games are porn, worse than porn in fact. I'm sitll waiting for him to reveal the hot pixel on pixel action in those hidden scenes in super mario Bros, I mean, since all video games no contain hidden hardcore porn.

Why dont u guys worry about ur lives /sarah smith is the only one that has said anything nice it isnt even ur problems so but out.

When will people relize that violence is every where and not just in games. As a gamer I do play a lot of games most of some rated M, but just because I play a GTA game doesn't mean I'm going to just go out and start doing the things they did in the game because I know that is just plan stupid. I say if parents don't want there kids playing violent games don't buy it for them and if they do buy it tell monitor them or something. And as for Jack, he just don't have any thing better to do.