Video: Jack Thompson Angered by IGDA Head’s Criticism

On Friday, MSNBC ran a lengthy web feature detailing how video games were being blamed for the Virginia Tech massacre in some quarters, most notably by controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson.

Included in reporter Winda Benedetti’s story was this acid quote from Jason Della Rocca, executive director of the International Game Developers Association (IGDA):

It’s so sad. These massacre chasers — they’re worse than ambulance chasers — they’re waiting for these things to happen so they can jump on their soapbox.

On Saturday morning, Thompson was interviewed on MSNBC. He rehashed his theory that madman Seung-Hui Cho trained for the VTU rampage on Counter-strike some five years ago, when the 23-year-old mass murderer was still in high school. Nothing new there; it’s the same thing Thompson has been saying for days.

Near the end of the interview, however, anchor Alex Witt threw the Della Rocca quote at Thompson, whose anger was palpable. Check out the video:

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    capman92 says:

    i say fuck jack thompson. everybody is always looking for someone to blame for some wrong doing. and how dare he attempt to pin the virginia tech shooting on violent video games. that is just to far. so to sum up, fuck jack!!!

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    AbsumZer0 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Actually, he does/did blame the movie right there in the clip. The fact that it didn’t exist then doesn’t stop him. That’s kind of what made it funny, see?

    I don’t think he mentions any Uwe Boll movies, does he?

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    […] Jason Della Rocca, the IGDA’s executive director, preambled the discussions by relating a recent exchange he had with Jack Thompson, an infamous anti-games attorney, who called him an idiot and a jackass on MSNBC. This was apparently in response to Jason calling him out as a massacre chaser. Anyway, you should check out Jason’s post about his e-mail exchanges with Thompson, for the full story. […]

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    finaleve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He blames Doom, yes, but obviously not the movie since it never existed then and anythine Uwe Boll made is crap and doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned.

    The media is obviously not reading the signs, “please don’t feed the Jack.”
    we need more of them.

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    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Roger: whats your problem at least i tryed instead of saying the hell with it or acting like a noob and writing JaCks A N00b. until you at least thank people for trying than you can go save your own fucking games.

    You guys don’t seem to realize that unless you spend some time, write professionally like Mr. Gone did, and use proper grammar, the people you write to are not going to take you seriously. Thanks for caring, sure, but mail written out of anger and as quick as possible isn’t going to win us any points. You don’t seem to realize that when you’re asking the nation’s news media to look into a guy who responds to an email with “No, let’s just ban idiots like you. It would be a start. duh”, you need to sound more credible than him for them to even consider it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they looked at roger’s email, scanned it over, and pressed delete before even reading it.

    You’re not typing on a message board when you write MSNBC. You’re writing to a major business. Take some time and run it through spell check and grammar check at least.

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    Salen says:

    Jack Thompson, making friends and influencing others, one news show at a time.

    Seriously, good going JT. Way to come off sounding like a loon. And could you please get a new script? You stick to your talking points far too closely. Blah Blah Shooting, Blah Blah Germany. The only time you actually sounded like you were a person was when you started to pop off about how you’re so great and mister reporter said you had no clue what you were talking about.

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    VideoGameDeveloper ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    My question to each of you is this: Why haven’t each of you written an email to Fox News and MSNBC about Mr. Thompson?

    We understand that he’s mis-stating facts and has generally proved himself to be an idiot(his pending disbarment trial in his home state?) Speak up! Ranting on this site will change nothing! Send your complaints to the people that need to hear them

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    […] Gamepolitics has been covering the story since it unfolded. In his latest television appearance, Jackie became really red under his Superlawyer costume’s collar after being read a quote from the executive director of the International Game Developer’s Association: It’s so sad. These massacre chasers — they’re worse than ambulance chasers — they’re waiting for these things to happen so they can jump on their soapbox. […]

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    JJNova says:

    -The following was sent to both and

    I would like to know who at Fox News decided to use an attorney with a background such as Jack Thompson’s as a specialist in any field. The lack of research on Fox News’ behalf is offensive and reiterates many opponents viewpoint concerning the “Fair and Balanced” claim made by on-air personalities. Since a large company such as the one you work for can’t be bothered to fact check, allow a group of individuals that have tracked Mr. Thompson’s career point out the reasons why his presence lessens your reporting credibility.

    Aside from losing numerous cases related to his campaign against video games, which he deduces is the reasoning behind school shootings (mentioning them numerously in your own interview) he has also been banned from practicing law in Alabama due to his embarrassing and unethical behavior. Including verbal attacks against Judges and harassment toward the companies he was challenging.

    The Florida Bar Association is currently working on disbarring my Thompson in his home state, for being an embarrassment to the legal profession. Colleagues of Thompson’s filed for his disbarment.

    In 1988 Thompson gained notoriety for calling Janet Reno a closeted lesbian with a drinking problem and a strong candidate for blackmail.

    Jack recently appeared on CBS’s 60 Minutes trying to drum up support for his efforts. However, this publicity was apparently not satisfying enough for him, as he went on to try and create more outrage on his own. Attempting to emulate Jonathan Swift, he issued a “Modest Proposal” that offered a US$10,000 reward to anyone who would create a video game featuring Osaki Kim, a father whose son was beaten to death with a baseball bat by a 14-year-old gamer. The game would feature Kim extracting brutal revenge on the video game industry itself, including beating game company executives to death, removing their heads and urinating on their brain stems. What Jack did not expect was that the enterprising PC gaming mod community would turn around and make this mod a reality. Jack then reneged on his promise of a US$10,000 donation to the charity of the modder’s choice. (Penny Arcade)
    Recent reports show that Jack Thompson was incorrect in your interview, and that instead of filling his time with video games, the Virginia Tech killer instead spent much of his time immersed in passive media, such as books.

    There are many more negative positions to take when regarding Mr. Thomspon, but I would instead like to point out the lies and inconsistencies that were aired by Fox News. Below is an article in regards to the interview with Jack Thomspon, proclaiming him as a specialist in school shootings. As printed at Kotaku. For more information regarding the bad choice to use Jack Thompson, please see his WIkipedia entry at , , or

    Mr. O’Reilly, many see you as the representative of Fox News. I would like to see an explanation in the No Spin Zone, or better yet, Mr. Thompson himself. I highly suggest reading the Kotaku piece, as it dissects the Fox News presentation, showing the inaccurate claims made by your expert.

    Thank You,

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    Starsmore says:

    All I have to say is wow. He just blamed Columbine on Doom, the game AND the movie.

    Damn those video-game-playing, time-machine owning crazy kids!

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    Vidur Gupta says:

    Well, everyone is entitled to their view, free speech and all. But let’s take what Jack uses as an example. Counter Strike, today on Steam (a program that lets you connect to the different servers that let you play Counter Strike) 333,791 players logged on to play. According to Steams stats 2,946,860 players logged in this month. Now even if Cho played Counterstrike and used it to train, compare that to the 2,946,859 that didn’t kill 30 something people this month. This is a waste of time, effort and money. Handling a real gun is nothing like handling a mouse and a keyboard. The human body is extremely fragile there are thousands of ways to kill someone. So instead of blaming the video game industry blame the kid who was definitely deranged (I read his “play”.) Also blame the gun laws and lack of security. Counter Strike is only 1 of the FPS (First Person Shooter) games out there; every month new ones are released. This blaming of video games happens because these people have never played the games themselves and have no idea what it’s all about and how you “feel” when you play the game. Games already have a rating and they are rated for a reason, Young children who are still learning right from wrong cannot distinguish if shooting someone is good or bad should not be playing games like Counter Strike under any circumstance and if they are able to play it, it’s the parents fault for not guiding the children and not paying enough attention. If you cannot guide children and pay enough attention to children, don’t have them. He uses Doom as an example, now Doom is shooting demons to save the planet. Now I don’t know about you but if demon’s from hell tried destroying a planet and taking it over, I will start shooting them to save the planet, in this case the planet is Mars (It’s in the future.) The fact that Jack Thompson blamed Video games even before the investigation was completed says more about him than it does about video games.

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    Pokemaster2185 says:

    “Jacki Boy here is really starting to sound like a broken record…”

    Starting to? The guy’s been spewing the same crap over and over for years now. Name one interview he’s done since his crusade started where he didn’t mention “murder simulators”, “I predicted Columbine”, or “I was on 60 Minutes”.

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    AbsumZer0 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ JJNova –

    I’m sorry, but you’d be better off writing to networks like MSNBC or CNN. FoxNews prides itself on shoveling biased and factually incorrect BS to rednecks who think the UN is out to conquer the world and that Muslims drink the blood of Christian babies.

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    AbsumZer0 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Honestly, it may have been an anachronism, but he may have a point about THE FILM Doom inciting violence. After renting it I felt the fleeting urge to drive to Hollywood and punch everyone involved in the production in the face.

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    Rapka says:

    Am i the only one that notices how he says “trained” all the time? If these killers are training with these games it means that they had already planned to murder people! Doesn’t that prove that mentally instable people, not games are the problem?!

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    OldschoolVgamer says:

    He called Della Rocca an idiot on the air? He said Rocca is on the air is being paid to say these things, which I’m not so sure about. And then he tries to draw him trying to warn people for the public safety to people trying to warn about 9-11? What an attention-monger!

    But what offended me more than anything is that the whole focus was put just on games and didn’t put enough focus on the guy’s mental illness. I’m sure with the guy’s history of instability and even his being a mental institution that the games are what did it! Sure, I really believe that…

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    Wardo says:

    Well, considering he called another professional a “jackass” on national television because his viewpoint differed from his own, some people must realize he’s not altogether sane. Using his own analogy, if an ex general called someone in the state department a “jackass” on national TV for not preventing 911 or doing anything afterwards because of the lack of actual intelligence on the subject he/she would be torn apart by every major news outlet in the country. His rhetoric only stands up to a small bit of questioning before he resorts to petty name calling and question dodging, and people should be (if they are watching and have any kind of common sense) questioning what this moron is spouting off to the nation.

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    Vladimir ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    It sure would be nice to hear someone else actually say “Jack Thompson has been right on more than one occasion” than to just hear it repeated from him over and over and over and over again.

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    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    And MSNBC is STILL using Thompson as a credible resource. God, I am almost at the point where I cant even watch him on TV without getting sick.

    Dennis, you need to write a letter or something to all the major news organizations and encourage them to do their research on this guy. Using him as someone who is some kind of expert or even a sane person just works for discrediting them.

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    Fuji2001 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.”

    THAT is the deadliest act of school violence of history. Way before video games. Well, there was that new-fangled jazz music…

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    Lurid says:

    Am I the only one that laughed out loud? Seriously, I can’t hear him speak anymore without me starting to giggle, because I know he’s gonna say something outright stupid.

    I’m not even gonna start to argue against him. I just gotta state that he should do standup.

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    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So John Bruce Thompson has to resort to calling people names…TWICE?

    Shows publicly how weak his case really is. “Massacre chaser” is a great description of John Bruce Thompson.

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    Shoehorn O'Plenty ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He connected Columbine with the Doom movie? It didn’t come out until years after that tragedy

    He again mistakenly quotes the APA report that found no correlation between violent behaviour and video games.

    He claims to not deny the link between smoking and cancer yet has stated before that there is more evidence that video games cause violence that there is that smoking is linked to cancer. And given that there is NO evidence about violence connected to games…

    It’s a horrific double standard. If a video game developer went on that show he would have been demonised. But this man gets to go on and spread his lies once more. Someone should put together a professional media package which documents all of this mans behaviour and lies, going right back to the Janet Reno incident, his numerous troubles with the Florida bar, his unethical behaviour, and give the proof about his lies. This pack should be sent to every news station he has been on to say “This is the man you are calling an expert? He is an unprofessional, biased, incredibly rude liar who seeks only to spread his own agend through the suffering of others.”

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Why are media outlets giving this massacre chaser a forum to air his twisted and sick thoughts?”

    because wild crazy walking sound byte machines garner decent ratings, which in turn makes them money

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    Delta says:

    Devil’s Advocate for a short second, I do understand that he’s trying to “sound the alarm” for morals and advocate for less violence in video games influencing our children, but Thompson of course has little tact in which he executes his agenda. He still comes on TV and spouts random baseless facts and “connects the dots” to non-exsisting dots. He insults people who are merely sounding the fact that he IS a massacre chaser, and that he uses these massacres to get on the national news spotlight and get his “wrongful death” lawsuits, which both equal $$$ for him. He’s being PAID to be the “moral voice” so frankly he has no leg to stand on calling Della Rocca a “paid voice” either.

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    Kyouryuu says:

    Massacre chaser, massacre chaser, massacre chaser.

    Say it until Thompson turns red. Refer to him as if his name and that phrase were inextricably linked in an encyclopedia. Rocca hit it right on the head, exposing this pathetic fraud for everything that he is in two simple words.

    And seriously, to stations like MSNBC and FOX. What the heck, guys? Can’t you do the slightest bit of research on your guests before you invite them on? Would it kill you to Google the guy’s name and find out what a bastion of controversy he is? Don’t ask your guest to explain what Counter-Strike is. Do that research yourself! How else are you going to verify what your guest is spouting? Seriously! Stop letting any random loony with vague credentials into the interview circuit. I think you owe that much to your viewers. Every time you invite Thompson onto your networks and bestow upon him with the title of “expert,” any rational person should absolutely question the veracity of ANY so-called “expert” you invite to ANY subject. Are all of these “experts” that Jack Thompsons of their respective fields? I don’t know, but it begs suspicion.

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    Teygan says:

    Maybe it was just me, but I think this is the first time that JT didn’t come off as a complete Righteous Crusader. The anchor came back with the “But kids play video games . . .” and that seemed to be her general direction, especially with throwing out that last quote.

    I think he made a fool out of himself, and he actually _did_ feel embarrassed on national TV, which is why he got so mad at the end. I can’t believe he resorted to name calling and such language!

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    -Jes- ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Just hearing Jack Thompson’s opinion on what CS is, is enough to make me laugh.

    What a pathetic, deluded organism. His life isn’t even worth the air he breathes.

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    Graze says:

    Anyone can predict another school shooting, JT. School shootings will never stop, as long as troubled teens can get easy access to hand guns, these shootings will keep happening, anyone with an IQ of 1 could figure that out. I’m so sick of the media giving this hack airtime. How many MILLIONS of people play video games every hour, every day? why hasn’t a massive killing happened everyday then? The guy is a hack and any TV station that calls him an “expert” should lose their FCC license.

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    Common Sense says:

    I also love that his defense against being called a massacre chaser is basically “I’ve been on TV! I vaguely predicted Columbine!” which is exactly the sort of behavior Jason Della Rocca was talking about.

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    A-wel Cruiz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As much as I hate Quack Thompson, at least he’s consistent.

    And I’ve always preferred to call him a Hearse Chaser, myself. Seeing as how he only waits for the bodies to start dropping before causing a fuss.

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    Mairie says:

    Living in germany , i can honestly say they did not in fact find what Jackie claims they did. Who would’ve guessed?

    Of course Jack was upset about the quote, his kind always hates being exposed.But well, in his own words – he is no genius, he’s just connecting dots. And apparently he isn’t even good at that.

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    Common Sense says:

    They didn’t invite him as an expert. That was the pretense. It was a trap. They wanted to get his reaction to the quote. Totally worth it.

    Also, they asked him to describe Counterstrike to expose the fact he’s bashing a game he knows nothing about. His description of it sounds like he might maybe have looked at the screenshots on the back on the box and stopped there.

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    Brandon St. Germaine ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think I could do a great Jack Thompson impression in any kind of interview.

    Canned Jack Thompson response:
    “Hub bub video game violence hubabuba training simulator military habhoob dibitydow 9/11 baduka hahafofo nanypoo poo columbine police have found bladyboody bo bo trained on the game blah bo no no haha I represented dodap doap doom”

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    JB ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He keeps saying the same things over and over again. It’s like he’s brainwashed himself and when someone asks him something he doesn’t expect he resorts to name calling.

    I still can’t see how video games can train you for real life experiences. Will playing NHL 2006 train me to play hockey? No! Will playing Need for Speed make me a better driver? No! Will playing Duck Hunt make me a better marksman? Hell no!!

    Someone really needs to get him on the air and put him on the spot and question his so-called facts!

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    OldschoolVgamer says:

    I just realized something. Remember that settlement between him and T2/R*? It severely limited his ability to nail T2/R*, so he can’t really use them as much to promote himself. My guess as to why the sudden dislike of Counterstrike is because he is trying to scratch up and cling onto another whipping boy to get his face out there.

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    Zento says:

    Wow…just wow. I must say I’m not surprised that this little rodent managed to find his way onto TV again, but some of the ideas he mention are just good old fashioned INSANE!!!
    There’s a correlation between smoking and lung cancer, so there must be one for video games and violence? Even if that was anywhere near the mythical land of Truthiness (I say mythical because JT has obviously never been there, so according to his logic it must not exist…period), that would still be like saying that violent video games should be sold only to people over 18 like cigarettes…oh wait, they are!
    But I think JT hit a new low by bringing in 9/11 into his arguement. I’ve been appalled, shocked, and angered by some of his statements before, but I’ve personally have never been offended by him until now. I nearly jumped out of my seat after hearing that part. This is almost as offensice to me as what Uwe Boll showed in the trailer for his Postal movie.
    JT, you are no crusader. You’re not a man, a human being, or even a sensible creature in my mind. I’ve had no problems with you having your opinions on video games, but your blatent disrespect for human lives around the world disturbs me to no end. I’m not a firm believer in God, but if he’s up there, I hope he shows you forgiveness because I never will.

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    Roger ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    My emails:
    Dear MSNBC

    since the beginning of this week ive heard almost every theory about the shootings at virginia tech and the one that hits me at home is the fact that before even evidence was released; Mr.Jack Thompson pounced right on the subject. Now let me inform you to do some research before you let him on your shows. Every time you tell this “massacre chaser” to discribe the game in question; you give him the power he needs to spew his rederic which if you listen carefully you can see that his informations plain dumbfounded hoopla. you seen him get mad when called a “massacre chaser” and his comments were those of a angered 6th grader. so please if you value the honesty of your news station; please don’t let Mr.Thompson on or at least do research on the subject. i too like a lot of people are a gamer and ive played violent games since the age of 5! ive been picked on in school and ive got a lot of stuff happen in my life to drive anyone to kill but i know the diffrence from right and wrong and this is what many people have. but you have people like mr.Thompson who constantly trying to boost his career; saying that all gamers are mr.thompsons quote: “Idiots who aren’t conserned about public safety” i am a caring person! so are all gamers. if you seen game sites like Gamepolitics, Kotaku, and Joystiq you see that as soon as the shootings hit; every gamer cared. every person cared! anyone who doesn’t care about events like this or people who don’t feel saddened by this can be easly called monsters by our culture. and like ive said at the beginning of this email; mr.Thompson hopped right on the subject blaming video games so please for the sake of your viewers; do some research or just plain don’t let this man boost his career! thank you.

    and to Fox:

    Dear Fox News

    As of Monday the 16th ive been a respected viewer of your news program. and as soon as the shootings at virginia tec happened i was saddened by the fact that this travesty had to happen! but a even bigger travesty happened right on your news program. Before the name of the shooter was released, the number of bodys counted or even before the shootings were over; you let so called “School shooting expert” Jack Thompson spew his illogical rederic on the concerned and saddened masses! now if you had done some research and have seen how this man has reacted before about shootings or anything that happened in his career. and on MSNBC they had a man from the industry tell how mr.Thompson is a “Massacre chaser”. this is 100% what he is. Any normal human being would care deeply about what happened and would at least wait until evidence and information was released before spreading jibberish about how videogames caused this very sad event. For every shooting there has been, for every time there has been any crime where teenagers and guns or teenagers and schools is involved; mr.Thompson was there saying how games make people do horrible things. i have been a gamer since the age of 5. ive had some major stuff happen in my life and im only 16! but i know the diffrence from right and wrong. millions of people are gamers and they aren’t crazy. none of this clicks with mr.Thompson. so please if you dearly respect your viewers and the quality of your news; please don’t let this man on your show or at least do some research before you let him on! if you do this than you will insure that you have quality news and respected viewers. Thank you.

    please share your thoughts about my emails. it would be appreciated. and i already sent them so don’t copy please thank you.

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    Terminator44 says:

    Of all the sensible rebuttals coming from our side MSNBC could have used, they take the most rhetorical one and strip it of context. To think this is the same network that posted an article that refuted many of JT’s claims. Talk about a flip-flop.

    Once again, they’re trying to portray this man as a hero and gamers and mindless killing machines in-the-making.

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    Dog_Welder ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Just as a sidenote…isn’t funny that he’s going on and on about Counter Strike now? I guess he can’t refer to GTA anymore, so he’s got a new whipping boy.

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    Dog_Welder ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    From here on out, in any postings or e-mails I write, he will be referred to as “massacre chaser, Jack Thompson.”

    If he can keep calling Bully a “Columbine simulator,” I certainly have the right to do this.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Heh, reminds me of when Mary Whitehouse claimed Tom and Jerry trained children to be violent.

    I loved the comment ‘I’ve worked with families who’s loved ones are now in the ground.’. I hate to say it, but Jack didn’t WANT to know them until after their loved ones were in the ground and he saw them as a profit opportunity.

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    SilverStar says:

    From this day forward, I shall call him “Massacre Chaser, Jack Thompson.” And on that note, I go to play The Godfather: Blackhand Edition, for Nintendo Wii, to practice my brawling and sniping with a tommygun, while waiting for them to come out with a really good boxing game so I can further train my fighting skills. 😉

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    OldschoolVgamer says:


    You have very good intentions and I praise you for voicing your opinion, but PHOENIXZERO does have a point with writing it properly. Not only did you have capitalization and paragraph seperation problems, but you also had some spelling errors to top it all off. It’s not “rederic” it’s “rhetoric”. Using better wording and using JT’s real name would help too.

    You could have also used some citations or statistics to support your point. Give links to real stats or some other solid proof just to show what you mean. Just as well, using some more sophisticated language and terminology would have helped drive the point home.

    My point is that you had noble intentions, but making it a little more, how do I say it, eloquent would have REALLY driven the point home and had a stronger effect. Because when you sent it in the state that you did, they might just think to themselves that this is trash and just another damn immature kid. I’m not insulting you, it’s just that I think there is a subtle sense of ageism against people around your age group and that it effects everything from writing to the public school system to parents level of attention to their kids (which is probably the real reason why kids are so violent and not because of the games, but not enough parents give enough of a shit). Hell I know people who still look at a young person who is disobedient and mockingly says with rolling eyes “typical kid”. So I’m saying to work on your writing better could help show yourself to be above that and not making young people or even gamers look uneducated.

    But you did pour your heart out and I tip my hat to you for being like that, but next time you should draft, redraft, and re-redraft the thing before you sent to help them better take you seriously. I think it would help.

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    Mark Standridge ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This latest on-air piece is simply one more example of how Laddy Jack can dish it out but can’t take it. After years of calling us “knuckleheads” who engage in a “masturbatory” hobby, after erroneously tagging Bully as a “Columbine simulator,” and after labeling Paul Eibeler a “child molester for hire,” we’ve stood toe-to-toe and fired back with appropriate names for him: “hearse chaser,” “litigation terrorist,” “massacre chaser,” and of course, hypocrite. Didn’t Laddy Jack once say name calling is appropriate, because Jesus name-called the Pharisees? Typical, hypocritical Jack.

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    cppcrusader ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Argh! Again he throws out his uninformed opinions as facts in regards to military simulations. I tell you, it definitely starts to grate on you after a while when one person can insult you in three different ways, as a simulation programmer, as a game programmer, and as a gamer.

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    upgray3dd ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I sent him this.
    “The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax…”
    Does this mean we should try and ban property tax?

    Tony M. Russo

    He sent this back.

    “No, let’s just ban idiots like you. It would be a start. duh
    Jack Thompson, Attorney

    xxxx South Dixie Highway, Suite xxx
    Coral Gables, Florida 33146
    305-xxx-xxxx, cell 305-xxx-xxxx
    “It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.” Voltaire”


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    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “No, let’s just ban idiots like you. It would be a start. duh”

    And this is exactly the stuff these major news organizations need to know about. This is exactly what makes him an uncredible, unprofessional source of information.

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    Brent says:

    3 school shootings and Mr. Thompson see a systematic problem. Hmmm….. I think that Mr. Thompson should look up the word PERCENTAGE before making erroneous statements. Other good words for Mr Thompson to look up would be Correlation vs. Association. But then again maybe he is using a different mathematical system then the rest of us are. Also I had no idea that Mr Thompson had a degree in social science, and was an expert and modern psychology. Hmmm… He is a lot smart then I thought.

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    Marc Acosta says:

    Jack has done it again. He even used such offending words. Now, if that clip were to be a game, what rating would the ESRB give it? I’m sure we wouldn’t want our kids to emulate on Mr. Jack Thompson, saying ‘idiot’ or ‘jackass’ and all.

    What a fool. This guy’s a joke. He doesn’t have anything better to do than to pick on video games. Does this guy even know that doctors also play video games? And so he’s implying that these gamer-doctors, more talented and more caring, are people to be feared at for the risk of us being killed? Oh, and I’ve got facts to prove my question. I won’t accept his lousy excuses.

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    To paraphrase Shakespeare, “The man doth protest too much methinks.”

    Either way, he came off looking like the douche that he is even more. Calling your opponent “idiot” and “jackass” will NOT score you brownie points with the public, Jack. And I’m sure Mr. Della Rocca will have something to say in response to your wild and baseless accusations in short order, preferably on MSNBC.

    Just shut the hell up, Jack. You’ve LOST! Whether you like it or not you’ve lost this fight. Public opinion is against you. And pretty soon people are going to get sick of you because no one likes a sore loser.

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    p51 says:

    Hey guys, anyone wanna start a complaint going to MSNBC that they shouldn’t allow guests like him on air due to his use of foul language? It’s prime time TV and the “children” are watching afterall 😉

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    Kyouryuu says:

    Y’know what else I think is hypocritical? When cable news stations go probing into how media violence matters, not once do they ever stop and look at their own company. These school shooters constantly refer to one another. The news glorifies school shooters. The news gave the VT shooter a platform to spew his pathetic hate.

    And hours afterward, we have dozens of not hundreds of copycat crimes. People vying for the attention of the media and those fifteen minutes of fame.

    I don’t think it is shrewd to stop reporting on school shootings. After all, it is news. However, the attention that is focused on them – especially on the shooter – creates this vicious circle. What do so many of these shooters have in common? They are narcissistic loners that feel the world has to pay for perceived injustices against them. Thus, they want to go out with a bang so everyone will know who they were and what they stood for. We’ve got to stop giving it to them.

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    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Timothy: “Michael Brooks: Do it yourself, you lazy boob. Dennis has his hands full doing a fine job covering politics and games, he doesn’t have to be your personal executive to promote your view, regardless whether he agrees with it.”


    Listen pal, you think the major news channels in the country are going to give a rat’s ass on what a sophomore in college writes to them? I asked Dennis to because he’s actually a professional journalist, unlike myself.

    Meanwhile, this “lazy boob” is trying to keep his ass in school, get good grades, so some day he can write something that people will actually read.

    @ Roger: “well i wrote them the best i could. it might not be good with puctuation but i mean this is grade A or B- tops!”

    No. Finish elementary school before you write a professional news organization. Until then, your F- paper only hurts the cause.

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    LightWarrior ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    ….Using swear words like that on national TV like that REALLY show’s his matureity…

    I’ve seen countless of debates and such on TV Bill O ‘reliy…..Fox News…

    ……and I don’t see them swearing in heated angered debates…….

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    Mr.Gone says:

    Here’s the letter I sent to MSNBC

    To who it may concern,

    Recently I viewed an interview between Alex Witt and self proclaimed “Anti-Video Game Crusader” Jack Thompson, and I felt I needed to vent my frustration at you network’s continued use of Mr. Thompson as a viable source for information. This is another perfect example of the scare mongering tactics used by today’s media outlets. Jack Thompson will be the first at any murder scene involving a teenager or student, stepping over bodies to try and coheres a grieving family member into blaming mass media, in most cases video games, for the instability of thier child.
    This kind of blatant and unjustified finger pointing is a double edged sword. To the uninformed viewer, it creates an immediate negative reaction to whatever this “credible” source is bad mouthing, and worse, to the viewers in the know, it paints MSNBC as a news network with no ability to check the facts. The recent Imus fiasco showed the damage that can be caused by allowing a nut job with a skewed view on reality free reign on the air.
    For the sake of your views and the image of your network I would advise highly against allowing anyone without proper knowledge or facts to spew rhetoric over any form of broadcast carrying your banner. This is a tragedy and the families and friends of this student are grieving, the last thing they need is a finger pointing glory hound like Thompson trying to be noticed by standing on the corpses of their loved ones.

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    qAaRoN ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I would love to hear Jack Thompson just say once that in connection to the video games, one of the gunmen he talks about constantly was also a psycho path. They were depressed. They were having problems at home or in life in general. Nope, never hear that. It’s always the video games fault. I’d love to get his response to this question…

    “Do you honestly believe that without violent video games that these people would not have killed anybody?”

    Because everyone knows the answer to that one. They would have, no doubt about it. They enjoyed the violence in video games more than a normal person, but that doesn’t change the fact that they would’ve killed regardless. You’re either pushed to the brink to kill or you’re able to handle the fact that life sometimes sucks. You can’t train on a video game and just because you play a violent video game does not mean you will turn into a murderer. You either already are or you aren’t.

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    Kincyr ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In reply to Jack’s reply:
    “let’s just ban idiots like you. It would be a start. duh”
    Like when Hitler tried to ban the Jews? Way to think, Jacky-boy.

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    Hackangel ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    There’s a few questions I’d like to ask but I probably know the answers already. Where did you get his email anyway? What is it?

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    DarkTetsuya ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I toyed with starting a wikipedia entry and having that redirect to JBT’s entry… but I just lacked the heart and the know-how. But feel free to do so.


    Surely you’ve heard about this dumbf**k’s antics when people email him, so expecting an intelligent response is like expecting a check for a million dollars from him for no reason.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know, when you send e-mails to places such as NBC or Fox, it would probably be a good idea to spend a few seconds to write it properly with capitalization and broken into paragraphs when needed.

    Anyway, along with Andrew Kehoe do we know what videogame ex-Marine Charles Whitman trained on before he climbed that tower at his University and killed 15-17 people? I almost completely forgot about this until that NBC article reminded me of it. There was even a scene in an old (well not that old but from the late late 80s or early 90s) movie called Parent Hood that scene where Steve Martin’s character is invisioning his son doing something similar while yelling “YOU MADE ME PLAY SECOND BASE!” Didn’t really make the connection until after I looked up Charles Whitman.

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    Gray17 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So does any one else wonder if MSNBC had Jack on the air just so he could make a fool of himself reacting to their online article painting him in a negative light?

    I’ve just got this sneaky feeling that they consider him to be a ratings getting, not an expert to consult.

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    Brent says:

    In responses to A-wel Cruiz
    Hmmmm….. Again there are flaws in Mr. Thompson logic. I guess he still does not know the mean of percentage. Three school shoot and he see a pattern? I see it too. But I only see it among violent psychopaths rather then gamers. Of course none of this matter because he has truthness. There are, after all, more nerve endings in ones gut then ones brain (note a Stephen Colbert reference). He is, after all, a lawyer and an expert at modern psychology.

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    upgray3dd ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I have decided to write MSNBC and Fox. Please point out any errors in these two letters so I can fix and send.
    Dear msnbc,

    You have lost much of your credibility as a news organization today. You had John bruce Thompson as a guest commenting on violent video games causing real-world violence. Even if you did no check to see if he was truly qualified to speak on the subject, even if you did no check to see if his comments had any factual basis, his actions while on your show should be a clear warning of what will happen if he is featured on your news program ever again. He is biased, rude, and altogether not a nice character. For example, I sent him an email commenting on the worst massacre in history before the Virginia Tech massacre not being in Erfurt, Germany, as he claimed on several news programs (including yours), but being in Bath, Michigan. His reply was “let’s just ban idiots like you. It would be a start. duh.” If you continue to have him on your program he will tarnish any reputation you have ever had in regards to fair reporting of facts related to video games. Since almost half of all Americans are gamers this could prove disastrous to your ratings. Please reconsider your policies on guests before you lose more than this one viewer.

    Tony Russo

    Dear Fox News,

    In regards to your Virginia Tech coverage, I am shocked and apalled you would have as biased and rude a guest as Jack Thompson on your show blaming video games before there was any evidence of games being involved at all (there still is no evidence of games being involved.) You are enabling him to spread his lies and slanders to an unwilling populace. You have tarnished any reputation you have ever managed to get in regards to facts about video games. If he is ever on your show again I can almost guarantee a large number of gamers turning there backs on you for news. Considering the large population of gamers (almost 50% of Americans) this could prove disasterous for your ratings. Good Day.

    Tony Russo

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    Hackangel ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @A-wel Cruiz

    Yes, he might run with this. After all, it’s not like used facts for the basis of his arguments before. EVen his parents didnt know what videogames he played in his teenage years. What I find funny know that I think about it is his arguments while he insists that Cho still played Counterstrike. Something like:
    “His suitemate said he didnt know him very well yet he said he never saw him play videogames. He doesnt know what Cho was doing on his computer”.
    Yet he bases his “fact” only on the Washington Post statement that some korean kids said that he played Counter-strike in his highschool years and that you don’t usually give it up. Based on nameless Korean kids while every other newspapers quote his parents and neighbors saying he didnt have many if any friends.

    He bases his “fact” that there was some kids that knew what he played in his highschool years better than what his suitemate said he didnt play in his college years.

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    Rammsoldat says:


    yea they banned that flick and because of that i sought it out and watched it myself (wasnt pulled over here in blightey) as im interested in watching films that have been scapegoated. I remebered that the school shooting parts were very minimal and it focused more on the negative aspects of drug addiction (such as the things he’d do to gt money for his next fix)

    Oh and anyone who would blame rammstein for insighting violence isnt familiar with the band or their veiws.

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    Steve says:

    This man is making me sick. I work in the industry and he still keeps on bringing up the same old tired arguments. I get the feeling Jack couldn’t get past Wave 1 of Space Invaders and since then has got a vendetta against them.

    “I’m no genius”.

    Only correct thing you’ve said, Jack.

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    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Isn’t that Google video they were showing the fan-film where the guy was “staging” a massacre of enemies to show how ‘leet he was? Where he even shot at the ceiling, and then shortly after a bad guy falls through the ceiling, because he “knew” there was a baddy hidding up there, that’s how amazing he was?

    And then it’s followed by a hilarious misunderstanding about a tea-party…

    Did they only pick that video because it shows the player killing enemy after enemy, flashing the word “pwnage” on the screen?

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    Common Sense says:

    Yeah, it seems the question “Should violent video games be banned?” was largely asked in a rhetorical way. This interview mostly felt like “Here is what the people saying games should be banned look like. Ooooooh. Now let’s poke him and see what happens.”

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    AbsumZer0 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    ROFL. He brought up ‘The Basketball Diaries’. I remember that movie being pulled from the shelves after Columbine and slapping my forehead. It’s an anti-drug movie about how terrible addiction can be, in case anyone hasn’t seen it… they used an anti-drug movie as a scapegoat. Even more ridiculous than blaming Doom, Ramnmstein, KMFDM, Marilyn Manson or the Matrix. I wouldn’t be surprised if Thompson was to blame for initially drawing that connection as well.

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    Steen J says:

    Well were talking about the guy who tried to pin the columbine murders on Marylin Manson, come on who can take this guy serious anymore..

    I like his statement that kids “train by playing CS”
    sure.. okay so because you play CS you can handle a gun??

    *shrugs* expert witness my ***

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    A-wel Cruiz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Jack finally responded to my latest email. Here it is:

    Jack Thompson right again:

    Today’s New York Times: Cho, according to parents, “retreated to video
    games.” See below.

    Washington Post this week: “Cho’s favorite video game was Counterstrike,”
    making it the violent shooter game of choice of the authors of the two worst
    school shootings in world history (V Tech first, Erfurt, Germany second).

    “When Mr. Cho entered Virginia Tech, which is crouched in the Blue Ridge
    Mountains of southwest Virginia, his parents drove him to school with
    guarded expectations. Perhaps he would no longer retreat to video games and
    playing basketball alone the way he did at home. Perhaps college might crack
    the mystery of who he was, extract him from his suffocating cocoon and make
    him talk.”

    What do you guys think? Y’know he’s gonna run with this.

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    roger ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Michael Brooks
    whats your problem at least i tryed instead of saying the hell with it or acting like a noob and writing JaCks A N00b. until you at least thank people for trying than you can go save your own fucking games.

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    potatojones_83 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, but noone would try to deny the link between the two.”

    Comparing smoking to video games is like comparing a hamburger to a car.
    I still don’t see how a game he played five or more years ago trained him to do…..well, ANYTHING. Again, if you can train to do something like this from a video game then why don’t NFL training camps consist of the players sitting around playing the newest version of Madden Football? If it works for teens and the military then surely it could work for them….right?

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    Kharne ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    That is a likely reason. Unfortunately since Counter Strike both lacks a hot coffee equivalent to use as a weakness and it’s developer Valve is on safer ground than T2, that game is even more of a brick wall than GTA ever was.

    The poor fool failed on GTA, and now he’s choosing an even stronger target to break himself against? That’s just bad planning.

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    Mysticgamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t think we need to be mad at MSNBC. They didn’t call Jack there to be an expert on anything… Think about it, the first time they called him was for Hardball and that was to expose his lies and show Fox’s crappy reporting, then they had him on again to get his reaction to being exposed for even more ratings. So basically, I figure they were using him to boost their ratings just like he uses tragedy to grand stand on.

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    Nick Sparx says:

    How the hell does this guy expect save lives by fighting against video games? Video Games are entertainment. Also, How the hell do you train on Doom? CS is just a game and not all gamers are potential shooters.

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    Rubix says:

    @Michael Brooks

    “Listen pal, you think the major news channels in the country are going to give a rat’s ass on what a sophomore in college writes to them? I asked Dennis to because he’s actually a professional journalist, unlike myself.”

    Yea, they are. The 18-35 demographic is covted by these compaines. It’s like gold. So do they care what a sophomore in college writes to them? Damn straight they do. If they get enough letters saying “hey, what do you think you’re doing? We don’t like this. And if you keep doing it, we aren’t going to watch it” will get them to stop it.

    You heard of Don Imus right? What he said was wrong and all, but not worth getting fired and kicked off the air. But enough people get behind an issue, write to them, results happen.

    And you know what? Lay off of Roger. At least he’s got the balls to write them himself. Yea, the formatting, spelling, and punctuation could have been better. But at least he’s trying to defend his hobby. He’s doing it better then you are.


    Writing is a skill. Its one that has to be practiced over and over, like anything. Keep at it, you’ll only get better.

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    jer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    OWWW!!!! My head hurts!!!! Mr. JB Thompson’s theories make my head hurt.

    @ Roger, and anyone who decides to write these news stations
    I would advise to use proper grammar and punctuation. A letter written professionally will have more impact on those who read it than letters that are just written off the top of your head (which would typically be ignored).

    I would also like to suggest to call the “massacre chaser” by his full REAL name ‘John Bruce Thompson,’ when making reference to him in your letters to these news stations

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yes, Jack will try to run with it, but at the end of the day, it’s hookey and obviously so, he played basketball obsessively as well, who’s to say the constant metallic ‘ping’ of ball on concrete didn’t push him over the edge? People who are unstable are like that.

    The fact is that playing computer games years ago is a pretty weak excuse for what Cho did, and is certainly no explanation, as Jack well knows, it’s like saying that all killers born in the 50’s listened to Rock and Roll, therefore it must be a contributing factor.

    What the article actually says is that the boy lived in a shell, first at home, then at college, what he chose to do in that shell is irrelevent, other killers collected weapons or exhibited other obsessive behaviour, often not making friends or communicating. The moment someone retreats from society and starts showing compulsive/obsessive behaviour, they become vulnerable to this, and that is where the key lay, not with Thompsons’ rhetoric, but with identifying the fact that some people just get fed up and retreat from humanity to the point where they no longer even empathise with them, it’s not the computer games doing that, it’s the lack of interaction of the right kind.

    Thompson will try to run with it, but I don’t see him getting any success, using his reasoning, you could blame just about anything on anything.

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    Hackangel ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Heh I just wanted to had this: I’m not a genius, yet I can manage to punch holes through Jack Thompson’s argumentation again and again. I just connect the dots.

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Mr. Gone

    “The recent Imus fiasco showed the damage that can be caused by allowing a nut job with a skewed view on reality free reign on the air.”

    Imus was a Radio Shock jock, that had been on the air for 50 years (an impressive run in the radio industry), he made a poor joke, that was very out of taste, was also the victim of a slow news day (nothing else was going on so the media ran with this, despite the fact that it’s really a non-story), he was not a nut job with a skewed view on reality

    unless the nut job you were referring to was Rev. Al, i think that statement comes off a little ignorant of what the Imus controversy really was

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Oh, now that T2 has dropped the bomb on him, you’ll see him leaping on every possible opportunity to attack on video game out there.

    Personally, I’m sick of the man, he’s a liar, a feeder on death and an insult to lawyers, he has no interest in impartial facts, he will hear what he wants to hear, rather than being balanced.

    Jacks in this for the money, that’s all, remember the stabbings in Russia, where there was a load of Nazi stuff found, but Jack was up and screaming that Video Games did it? In fact, there are probably about 8 times I can mention where Jack has contacted authorities claiming that computer games were involved with crimes which, in many cases, it turned out they were nothing to do with it. But Jack always preferred showmanship to facts.

    Particuarly annoying is Jacks claim that the Computer Industry knows what effect Video Games have but are choosing to ignore it, that is sick and insulting for a start, but also tries to paint an image of them being like the Tobacco and Petroleum industries of several years ago, trying to hide the truth from the public.

    Considering that this vast ‘conspiracy’ is going on, it’s surprising how easy it is to get the results of the tests Jack talks about and find out how he’s twisting the facts the suit himself. If the facts are so ‘telling’ as Jack claims, why is he more or less the only one advocating this idea out of the entire over-arching FTC commision? But then, when their results aren’t helpful to Jack, they are in the ESA’s pocket, when they are, he quotes them all over his letters.

    Frankly, I do believe the man needs help, he’s so filled up with anger and hatred for youth in general, and youth culture in particular, he’s become so enamoured with the ‘Rose Tinted Spectacles’ view of when he was a child that he thinks society is ‘worse’ than it used to be. It’s not, Society is what it is, there is only perspective to go by. There were more murders in New York in the 70’s than there are today, for example, but, thanks to Media people are more aware that they take place, so it seems like more, it’s all a question of perspective.

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    Timothy says:

    Michael Brooks: Do it yourself, you lazy boob. Dennis has his hands full doing a fine job covering politics and games, he doesn’t have to be your personal executive to promote your view, regardless whether he agrees with it.

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    Brent says:

    Exactly Association vs Causation. Just because something is associated does not make them cause and effect. Hence why his logic is flawed. Another thing he is say this there is a systematic problem. That most gamers become violent. Of course we all know this isn’t the case. While is is true that a game, a movie, even a forum post can set people who are unstable over the edge. It really isn’t what coursed them to be unstable. The instability was caused by something less. In Cho case, he was a paranoid schizophrenic who thought god was tell him to kill rich people. Did the game cause him to become a paranoid schizophrenic. No so in the end Jake Thompson will just make a fool out of him self.

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    Faloo Faloo says:

    I agree. Rocca hit it properly.

    There was released the slightest bit of behavior that Jason Della Rocca is in the age group and didn’t come off to write these massacres as long as the top of it is a new whipping boy. Referring to do some other solid proof, I hope he doesn’t change the talk about constantly trying to use proper grammar and what happened in germany. Say that this man as the NBC article reminded me is twisted and didn’t invite them to IGDA Director Jason Della Rocca’s quote about events; apparently he needs to foreclosure proceedings against being like MSNBC or they would’ve killed anybody.

    But are all of stuff happen in question; you sent to his own words – he IS a lot of Monday in the country.

    Devil’s Advocate for every day? Seriously! I’d love to be torn apart by him until now.

    Totally worth it. Thank you.

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    Michael Lis-Sette ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not only that, but I also tried searching through the New York Times archive for the past thirty days and could find nothing about Seung-Hui Cho and Video Games.

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    […] After the break we have a video of Jack Thompson responding to IGDA Director Jason Della Rocca’s quote about him being a “massacre chaser.” Particularly choice moments are when Thompson calls Della Rocca an “idiot” and “jackass” on national television. The anchor concludes the piece, “Clearly on a campaign, we appreciate your sharing, attorney Jack Thompson.” […]

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    Toxicity² ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I sent this email to Fox News and MSNBC:

    “I do not believe that Jack Thompson should get any air-time on MSNBC. Just do a Google search on his name and you’ll see how crazy he really is. He makes crazy assumptions and insults those who do not agree with his stance on violent videogames, with the sole intention of being on the news and getting more publicity.

    As Jason Della Rocca stated, “It’s so sad. These massacre chasers — they’re worse than ambulance chasers — they’re waiting for these things to happen so they can jump on their soapbox.”. Jack Thompson takes advantage of real tragedies to further his own cause.”

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    Xtrife says:

    The fact that he reacted so badly doesn’t help him in any way. No one may critisize him yet he has the right to bullshit something about being the “saviour” that will use this “9/11 of school shootings and videogame involvement” to save America.

    JT….why is 9/11 mention so much in your bs, wtf has the deaths of all those people have to do with this, your just cheapning their memory.

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