VA Tech Panel Witness: Violent Games Should Be Banned Like Heroin

VA Tech Panel Witness: Violent Games Should Be Banned Like Heroin

May 20, 2007
Should violent games be banned like the illegal and addictive narcotic heroin?

That suggestion was made recently to the Virginia Tech Review Panel, an elite commission appointed by Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine to study the April 16th school shooting rampage committed by madman Cho Seung-Hui.

The panel, composed of a variety of experts and specialists as well as former Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge, held its first public meeting in Richmond on May 10th. Among those testifying was Don Phau, a member of former fringe presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche's political action committee.

Much has been written about LaRouche and his movement over the years, but little of that material is germane to GamePolitics' editorial focus. Phau's testimony before the VT Review Panel, however, is something that merits a look.

Speaking near the end of the May 10th hearing, Phau began by recounting Miami attorney Jack Thompson's claims that Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung-Hui was motivated to commit the killings by playing Counter-strike. Phau also mentioned the Washington Post's initial report that Cho played the game, a reference that was later deleted by the newspaper.

Like Thompson, Phau also cited the 2002 Erfurt school shooting and the killer's play of Counter-strike. In addition, Phau referenced game violence critic David Grossman and his writings about video game violence. In speaking about first-person shooter games, Phau said:
[FPS games] were developed after the Vietnam War... But the video game industry in the year 2000... when we had the Y2K phenomenon, the video game industry decided to make a  lot of money. They developed the first-person shooter games and Counter-strike was developed by Microsoft.

GP: There's a good bit of misinformation packed into that paragraph. It's true that FPS games were developed after the Vietnam War - about 20 years after - with id Software's 1992 release of Wolfenstein 3-D. At the same time Phau seems to be saying that the FPS genre was created in 2000, which is obviously incorrect.

Nor did Microsoft develop Counter-strike, as Phau states, although an Xbox version was published under the MS label in 2003. This misinformation was also put forth by Thompson around the time of the Virginia Tech massacre.

Phau also seems to be drawing on Grossman's frequent assertion that FPS games are used by the military to break down recruits' inhibition to kill. However a recent book by ABC news reporter John Stossel disputes Grossman's claim.

Phau continued:
These games, I propose, should be banned. The same way you cannot buy heroin; the same way you cannot be a 16-year-old and buy pornography.

Phau also incorrectly cites statistics on the ability of underage buyers to purchase M-rated games: 
82% of games rated M... 82% of kids can buy these games. You can go to Wal-mart. You can go to Best Buy and buy them.

Actually, due to increased retail ratings enforcement efforts, the most recent (April, 2007) figure from the Federal Trade Commission is 42%. It was 85% in the year 2000 and 78% in 2001, which is what Phau may be referring to.

GP readers can watch a video of Phau's testimony before the Virginia Tech Review Panel on the C-SPAN website (skip ahead to 3:26:30 for Phau). If you'd just like to hear the audio, GamePolitics has created a six-minute mp3 of Phau's testimony. 

The LaRouche camp touts Phau's appearance before the panel on its website, echoing his call to ban violent games. Among other projects listed on the site is one entitled Destroy Al Gore. Readers will also find The Cheneyites and the Killer-Trainer Lobby, a lengthy article that sees collusion between the government and the video game industry in just about every corner.

In regard to the LaRouche material, it's hard to miss the group's overlap in ideas with those of Jack Thompson. GamePolitics recently asked the anti-game attorney if he was working with the LaRouche team on video game issues. His terse answer:
I have nothing to do with LaRouche's people.
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Comments

Submitted by Nekojin - May 21, 2007 at 4:48 pm -0500
@ Unrated: I know how you feel, but perjury is one of the hardest crimes to get an actual conviction for, especially in cases like this. In order to convict, you'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he knowingly and willfully lied. If he can claim that he's just an ignorant, arrogant jerk ("My sources must have misinformed me, your honor"), then he can get off scot free.

*tries to make some sort of a joke about having to binjury before you perjury, but fails*
Submitted by Jordan Lund - May 21, 2007 at 4:00 pm -0500
I'm surprised the LaRouche guy didn't say that games are as dangerous as the heroin that Queen Elizabeth continues to smuggle into the country:

http://www.stanfordreview.org/Archive/Volume_XXXII/Issue_2/News/news2.sh...
Submitted by Unrated - May 21, 2007 at 3:48 pm -0500
Makes ya wish they had some kind of, I dont know..... What is the word?.....LAW, that says you cant lie to the senate and other law makers. Just some kind of THING that says you have to present truthful and accurate facts. Yeah one of those things.
Submitted by Nekojin - May 21, 2007 at 3:43 pm -0500
@Grimm22: Don Phau isn't on the panel. He simply testified before the panel. How much weight his words carried is another matter.
Submitted by Grimm22 - May 21, 2007 at 2:45 pm -0500
So now we're having the mentally unstable join panels which decide how tragedies occur?

Wow....just...wow
Submitted by Bongotezz - May 21, 2007 at 1:34 pm -0500
the problem with saying that video games cause people to be violent is that the people who are violent are the minority in the larger community of gamers. i've played my share of shooters and games like resident evil. if it was true that games make you violent i'd be dead or in jail by now.
Submitted by Zerodash - May 21, 2007 at 1:23 pm -0500
Has anyone confirmed that Cho was an avid videogame player?

I checked all over the web, including wikipedia, and none of the reports on VT point to him being a gamer- or even having games.
Submitted by Nekojin - May 21, 2007 at 11:16 am -0500
@ BBen: "Once again, the ‘media’ has created an instant expert by accepting the incoherent ravings of a conspiracy nut. No one in the news media bothered to check the ‘expert’ credentials of Thompson, Grosseman or Phau. (is anyone surprised?) Fron what I have read none of these ‘experts’ has a clue about reality, let alone violence or video or games. Makes you wonder what else the news media are not checking."

Actually, Grossman has pretty impressive credentials. Unfortunately, that's all he's got. The original data his research is founded on was fraudulent, his deductions and logical connections are spurious, and his conclusions are absurd.
Submitted by Namrepus221 - May 21, 2007 at 12:50 pm -0500
I love this article.

You would ban someone's freedom of expression and freedom of speech.

Last I checked, the government wasn't allowed to censor ANYTHING. The can pass legislation regulating it. But they can't out and out censor anything.
Submitted by ZeRu - May 21, 2007 at 10:58 am -0500
I would ban LaRouche's brainwashing cult and put people like Phau behind bars because they're trying to ruin all values American people have died protecting. Since (unlike Thompson) they're not only targeted against video games, but also against (more or less - read what SoldatLouis wrote here: http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2152) all forms of popular culture, I don't expect anybody will take them seriously (I mean, even Jacko-Wacko distanced himself from them). Their views alone make them bigger threat to American society than the Ku-Klux-Klan - they're even more degradating, retrograding and neophobic (I would rather have a pedophile for a neighbour than one of their members)! If they're to be ignored or treated like lunatics they really are, it's OK - they don't deserve any attention, good or bad. But if gaming industry wants to start a fight against them, then it'll be a fight to the end, so they have to be sure they will finish it too.
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Submitted by M. Wright - May 21, 2007 at 10:44 am -0500
They can take their efforts to ban things and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. They can have my video games at the same time they can have my guns - when they take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Submitted by Otaku-Man - May 21, 2007 at 10:40 am -0500
Such massive misinformation. It's almost mind-boggling!

I wonder what would happen if I send this Phau with the correct information and dispute every single claim he just made.

~Otaku-Man
Submitted by Kobra - May 21, 2007 at 10:15 am -0500
Let's not forget the Bath school massacre-- one that actually had a higher death toll than V-Tech. Of course, the media got that one wrong, too.
Submitted by Gameboy - May 21, 2007 at 10:22 am -0500
I was just reading one of the links provided by jccalhoun, and one of the comments on it struck me as odd.

"but that on the contrary, this New Violence is a just as much a threat to human civilization, as a global outbreak of cannibalism"

WTF!? Comparing school shootings and perceived youth violence to a "global outbreak of cannibalism"? Most people I know don't even think of cannibalism. For them, the worst crime imaginable would be murder or rape (yes, even my gamer friends for those people who think we are desensitized). Almost makes you wonder if the author of the article contemplates eating people on a daily basis.

If these idiots are trying to scare people, that's all they are really trying to do, why not just say anarchy or global nuclear holocaust or war? That's much more effective and comes off much more sane.

The article even says, "these computer games were originally developed in the United States for use by the military, for the purpose of breaking down the inhibitions which new recruits would experience when ordered to kill enemy troops". So they are accusing the American government of this? I think I sensing a trend.

These people have no sense of personal responsibility or Free Will!

Long story short, the Schiller Institute is a nut-house. I can't even Begin to rebut everything on this ONE article. It'd take too long. If you're curious I'll re-post the link here.

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/hzl_banviol_502.html
Submitted by Kevin - May 21, 2007 at 9:58 am -0500
@Kobra

Oops i didn't know about that one, but after a quick search it's the only one.

Plus, things like that happened in USA even before the first videogames ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman for instance )
Submitted by MashHawkeye - May 21, 2007 at 9:51 am -0500
Mahn, I want what Don Phau was smokin'.
Submitted by OO - May 21, 2007 at 9:07 am -0500
The problem is with society, not with entertainment.

He was under heavy pressure to pass. From experience, I can tell you students are pushed to perform and achieve. While this is wonderful, many are "forced" to cram in the rest of their lives around their study.

While it may seem obscene to some of you that a university or college student be doing something that isn't learning, thus leading toward longer terms and higher expenses on the institution, there is a value to be had in taking things slowly:

Low stress, an open mind and creativity are not crushed under demands.


Granted, in the eastern nations, it's 10x worse than it is in the western world, Japan's Hikkomori life-style often the end-result for people both in the east and western world when they become qualified and yet nobody will hire them out of a lack of experience.

The education system is trying to turn us all into PHD scholars yet increasingly, that's not what the world wants of us as employees. The idea of an employee thinking for themselves is obscene for the most part.

They want...

-Experience
-Social skills
-The ability to deliver
-The ability to see what everyone else misses or give original/fresh input
-Someone who actually enjoys the job they're doing
Submitted by Ijonez - May 21, 2007 at 8:32 am -0500
Lets make a FPS Clan called TKEC (Tim Kaine Elite Commission) and TK the crap outta each other...
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Submitted by Chris - May 21, 2007 at 8:01 am -0500
"volient video games kill"

Thats either a spelling error or an incredibly subtle latin joke, since 'voli-' is a prefix for 'free will'.

(Kudos to google for this)
Submitted by volientgameskill - May 21, 2007 at 7:40 am -0500
volient video games kill.
Submitted by Soldatlouis - May 21, 2007 at 6:56 am -0500
Oh, and I forgot this link that summarizes and compiles the Larouchites' articles on Va-Tech shootings :
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/developing_stories/new_violence.shtml
Submitted by Chadachada - May 21, 2007 at 6:47 am -0500
I'm sure this goes without saying, but it's a shame that many people believe these "people" (and I use that term lightly) and don't get the facts. They see these things on tv and accept it as true. Man, what has this nation (and world) come to?
Submitted by BBen - May 21, 2007 at 6:40 am -0500
Once again, the 'media' has created an instant expert by accepting the incoherent ravings of a conspiracy nut. No one in the news media bothered to check the 'expert' credentials of Thompson, Grosseman or Phau. (is anyone surprised?) Fron what I have read none of these 'experts' has a clue about reality, let alone violence or video or games. Makes you wonder what else the news media are not checking.
Submitted by Kobra - May 21, 2007 at 6:24 am -0500
What about that high school in Germany, Kevin?
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Submitted by Kevin - May 21, 2007 at 6:07 am -0500
Give me a break... we have the same video games here in Europe and yet no one tried to commit mass murder in a college or high school
Submitted by Bobby - May 21, 2007 at 5:57 am -0500
Along with video games let's ban 1) Violent Anime 2) Action Movies at\over the R rating 3) Anatomically correct Barbie (No Titties!)
anything else rediculous that I can add to this list that holds no bearing on what happend and was just an Incorrect reference by phau (obviously not a true gamer or a very good one if he doesn't take the time to be right and proof watch himself) and as far as the "Just for men" crew, Assholes looking for something to shit on.
Submitted by Chris - May 21, 2007 at 5:33 am -0500
I assume i can't be the first to actually do this, but lets just draw a rough correlation on the rate of violent crime to the availability of violent video games using the fbi national data at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

Violent crime rates, as well as the individual rates of violent crimes, in the US have been falling steadily from 1993 till leveling off at about 2004.

The idea of blaming a crime which has been around since the dawn of humanity, no matter what viewpoint you take on that dawn, and exists in animals too, on something invented in the last 20 years just seems absurd to be.
Submitted by Sigma 7 - May 21, 2007 at 5:02 am -0500
@monte:

Marathon was released after Wolf3D. In addition, Wolf3D still isn't the first FPS, as it's predated by Catacomb 3-D (possibly Hovertank as well if you include non-textured walls).

A quick way to tell which game came first is to check the rendering engine. Simple rendering engines appeared first, which are limited in map complexity or some other factor (e.g. maximum sight distance, as with Ultima Underworld). More advanced engines gain support of more complex maps, such as stairs and stuff.
Submitted by Soldatlouis - May 21, 2007 at 4:52 am -0500
OK, for all those who discover the LaRouche cult's theories on V-Tech shootings, go check these pages, they compile almost everything they said about "violent" video games :
- http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/ctte_vs_newviolence.html
- http://american_almanac.tripod.com/violpt.htm
- http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/2007/eirtoc_3417.html
- http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/New_violence.html
Submitted by SolarisDeschain - May 20, 2007 at 11:50 pm -0500
Wow, and I thought Jack Thompson and David Grossman was bad. Wow.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 20, 2007 at 10:59 pm -0500
@Ronnie Barzel: I lol'd.
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Submitted by Ronnie Barzel - May 20, 2007 at 8:50 pm -0500
I think this guy may have a point. Since I first played a first-person shooter (Battlezone) back when I was eight, it's been a constant struggle to resist the urge to drive my tank around a vector graphic landscape populated by other tanks and geometric shapes.
Submitted by KN - May 20, 2007 at 7:33 pm -0500
@Tommy

Wrong. Marathon came out two years after Wolf3D. It is however far more advanced than Doom.
Submitted by Tommy Westerman - May 20, 2007 at 8:09 pm -0500
Hmm, well I suppose I was lied to then. LIED!!!! (sorry random mood at the moment -_-)
Submitted by hayabusa75 - May 20, 2007 at 8:01 pm -0500
Sometimes life needs a fast forward button...and occasionally a volume control.
Submitted by Phillip J Fry - May 20, 2007 at 7:30 pm -0500
@Phau:

I see what you did there.
Submitted by Gabriel Celesta - May 20, 2007 at 6:23 pm -0500
I can't believe I actually went and listened to that idiotic testimony of Don Pha(il)u(re)...
Submitted by Anonymous - May 20, 2007 at 7:07 pm -0500
Obvious troll is oooooooobvious.
Submitted by Unrated - May 20, 2007 at 6:17 pm -0500
Wow......
What did I just read? Sounds like the chewbacca defence.
"VIOLENT VIDEOGAMES WERE MADE AFTER THE VIETNAM WAR!!!"
sane people- "so?"
Him- "THEN Y2K HAPPENED AND FPS'S WERE MADE!"
"what?"
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Submitted by Zerodash - May 20, 2007 at 6:07 pm -0500
Has anyone confirmed that Cho was an avid videogame player?

Also, in terms of a class-action suit, I think the ECA might be the only entity that can organize such a thing effectively.
Submitted by Azradesh - May 20, 2007 at 5:15 pm -0500
Holy crap! "You don't need a Playstation, you can play these games on a regular computer."

What? Really? WOW?!?!

Sheesh this guy is very out of touch with anything more complicated then a calculator.
Submitted by brokenscope - May 20, 2007 at 4:30 pm -0500
I don't know, depending on who you ask marathon was pretty major.. wolf was first however.
Submitted by Joe - May 20, 2007 at 4:32 pm -0500
MArathon was released in 1994, I thought?
Wolf3d was 1992.
Submitted by monte' - May 20, 2007 at 4:29 pm -0500
@Tommy Westerman

err... i just looked that up, and Marathon came out in 94'... Wolfenstein 3D came out in 92
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford - May 20, 2007 at 4:08 pm -0500
@ Tommy Westerman

Are you serious?
Submitted by Omega_Bahamut - May 20, 2007 at 3:43 pm -0500
Another "expert", another day.
Submitted by Tommy Westerman - May 20, 2007 at 3:50 pm -0500
Moot point, but Wolfenstein 3D wasn't the first FPS, Marathon for the Mac was. Wolfenstein was just the first major FPS.
Submitted by BlueWolf72 - May 20, 2007 at 3:26 pm -0500
well if your serious you can write and overnight the letter you write to the below address and maybe just maybe our voice would be heard. I would write it myself but I would be very sarcastic. If someone wants to write and take comments from us I think that would be better?


Panel Mailing Address:

Virginia Tech Review Panel
P.O. Box 12337
Arlington, VA 22219-2337
Submitted by freekill - May 20, 2007 at 3:20 pm -0500
The Vietnam comment was hilarious! First Person Shooters were invented after the Veitnam war? No shit sherlock!

Also...did you know that Fighting games were invented after The French Revolution?
Submitted by cullarn - May 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm -0500
look like jt hes just trying to ride this to a paycheck
Submitted by Kyouryuu - May 20, 2007 at 3:10 pm -0500
This is why misinformation can be so amusing. When one massacre chaser spouts something so egregiously wrong, and others repeat the same misinformation, you can easily follow the trail of lies. It is also trivial to ascertain the intelligence and zeal of the individual repeating such facts.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 20, 2007 at 2:31 pm -0500
... and coming from someone named "ooftygoofty," that says A LOT!
Submitted by darkSide - May 20, 2007 at 1:13 pm -0500
"I urge the panel to look into these games"

Funny i think you should do the same, and by that matter you should look into the facts of all the words that you just said, since none of them make sence.
Submitted by DoggySpew - May 20, 2007 at 1:14 pm -0500
I find it funny that even Jack Thompson doesn't want to be involved, or at least is not affiliated with these people.
Submitted by Daniel - May 20, 2007 at 1:15 pm -0500
YAY for them damaging themselfs.
Submitted by ZippyDSMlee - May 20, 2007 at 1:30 pm -0500
prehaps idiots and vote panderers should be baned to that would really efftct society not pretending playing cops and robbers(imaginary play/video games) make people robbers and cop shooters.

"[FPS games] were developed after the Vietnam War… But the video game industry in the year 2000… when we had the Y2K phenomenon, the video game industry decided to make a lot of money. They developed the first-person shooter games and Counter-strike was developed by Microsoft."

WTF
I can see you bitching about "neo" culture in the Y2K rant however culture evolves and dissmising advancement in media is akin to the whole books are bad of the middle ages.

As for FPSs begin made after Vietnam stop the presses...look at the tech of the time and then tell me THEY COULD MAKE IT....FPS's or FP for that matter didn't really come about till the late 80s and most of that was in arcades ,get your house in order before you gather up info slop it togather and spout nonsense.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 20, 2007 at 1:47 pm -0500
Someone needs to go there and give them the facts.
Submitted by niceaznguy721 - May 20, 2007 at 1:50 pm -0500
this guy must be as stupid as jack thompson or something,you cant just ban video games, that bastard probably doesnt even know what the first amendment is
Submitted by Red Knight - May 20, 2007 at 2:12 pm -0500
If ignorance of this level were only an offense that came with the death penalty, we'd all be much happier.
Submitted by ooftygoofty - May 20, 2007 at 2:24 pm -0500
I have literally no respect for any supporter of Larouche. Have you ever talked to these guys about ANYTHING? They're hardcore conspiracy theorists, and nothing they say or do makes any sense.
Submitted by jonc2006 - May 20, 2007 at 1:09 pm -0500
@Brother Darqness

these people will never get what they are pushing for. an outright ban of ALL violent games, so even adults cant get them is absolutly insane and as dumb as some politicans are, i doubt any laws that would do that will ever get past or even get considered. as annoying as he is, thompson is more for restricting violent games from minors, which is something i could under stand in *some* cases but its his tactics and behavior i dont like.

this sort of heat has happened to almost ever form of media out there before, music, tv, movies, you name, they probably have been through it. sure there are a few rocky moments but in the end, the 1st amendment beats all. we dont need to fear these people and try and pile them with lawsuits to hurt them back. they are doing the damage to themselves when it is revealed sooner or later than video games are nothing more than entertainment, not "murder simulators".
Submitted by Kincyr - May 20, 2007 at 12:42 pm -0500
the 14th amendment will ensure that violent movies, TV shows including news reports, and books including the Bible will also be banned. Either Phau/Faux/Foe fails, or there will be a lot of "population control" due to christians being offended that their sacred book is banned.
Submitted by Slinks - May 20, 2007 at 12:28 pm -0500
@ Voodoo

Yes, but vilolent videogames can't exactly be grown in our garden shed, unfortunately.
Submitted by Black Manta - May 20, 2007 at 12:16 pm -0500
@ Brother Darqness

The idea of a class action lawsuit against the anti-gamers was floated beofre in the past, specifically when contemplating one against Thompson. It was a good idea until some people said it would be difficult to bring one unless a clear case of libel or slander could be proven. So any talk of such a suit was abandoned when it looked like we wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court.

If your fiance's family lawyer is aware of some sort of clause that we weren't before, then hey, I'm all for it! There are a lot of people here would would love to do on their own time what the ESA and ESRB so far haven't been either able or willing to do; that is take these bastards to court and publicly discredit them. If it's possible, then I say go for it.
Submitted by Voodoo - May 20, 2007 at 12:20 pm -0500
We gamers have to take action now if we wanna change this crap. Besides, banning drugs only made the problem a lot worse, what good do they think banning video games can do?
Submitted by SilverStar - May 20, 2007 at 12:12 pm -0500
@jonc2006

In that case, children can sometimes have access to tobacco, alcohol and the keys to their parents cars. All of which are fairly illegal for children to make use of. Guess it's time for the US to outlaw all those, as well!
Submitted by Devr - May 20, 2007 at 12:04 pm -0500
Lol, I love how in the picture the guy sitting behind Phau is going /faceinpalm.
Submitted by Brother Darqness - May 20, 2007 at 12:04 pm -0500
Ok everyone...this is information I just got from my fiance's family lawyer. We 'gamers' actually have the right to have a class action lawsuit against the lies and slander of the facts. The point of the news media and the "experts" is the give us the cold hard facts with no spin and no taking sides. With people that Phau saying what they say and having it recorded means we may have something.

This is something I haven't thought of before honestly but while griping to him about the crap video games are getting and even more the people that play and make them he suggested that. If this is true someone let me know.

I'm sick of the crap we're getting.
Submitted by dustin1986 - May 20, 2007 at 11:49 am -0500
Wow... Now the Larouche nutjobs are in on this.

"I have nothing to do with LaRouche’s people."

That's the smartest thing you've said in a while Jack. Believe it or not, but I thik the Larouche people are crazier than Thompson. Distancing himself from them is smart. I do think it's funny that these crazy people really happen to like Jack's ideas. Why does it always seem like Jack gets the most support from people who don't know what they're talking about?

Scientology, Larouche people, Jack, all of this country's nonsense seems to be floating to the top because of v-tech. I wish we could just skip this.
Submitted by MysterX - May 20, 2007 at 11:50 am -0500
LaRoucebags are really annoying, they are basically a cult that brainwashes people. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with these people.
Submitted by Daniel - May 20, 2007 at 11:53 am -0500
This guy is a bunghole.
Submitted by finaleve - May 20, 2007 at 11:37 am -0500
Ya know, eventually someons going to have to stand up to these people and give them the SWIFT KICK of TRUTH!

...seriously.
Submitted by jonc2006 - May 20, 2007 at 11:40 am -0500
@daniel.

yeah. even adults. he wants violent games to be illegal and wiped from existance.
Submitted by BearDogg-X - May 20, 2007 at 11:31 am -0500
Wow, another person completely out of his element runs his mouth about something he knows absolutely nothing about.

It does get really annoying and boring saying the same thing over and over again.

Don Faux is an idiot, plain and simple.
Submitted by Daniel - May 20, 2007 at 11:37 am -0500
So does he want violent games banned from everyone even adults?
Submitted by Calvinball - May 20, 2007 at 11:26 am -0500
Wow I just don't even know where to begin. From Vietnam to the year 2000 in what not even a full sentence?

He should be removed from the proceedings for incompetence and whoever decided that he should be allowed to speak should also be removed on the same grounds.
Submitted by jonc2006 - May 20, 2007 at 11:11 am -0500
@neolight

hell.
Submitted by BustermanZero - May 20, 2007 at 11:04 am -0500
The guy used horrificly poor information and didn't use facts earlier than 2001. How the heck did Phau get appointed to this job? He's clearly getting paid too much.
Submitted by Neolight - May 20, 2007 at 10:53 am -0500
This is probably the most aggrivating article i've ever read. Where do these people come from?
Submitted by Ace of Sevens - May 20, 2007 at 11:00 am -0500
Why are they calling LaRouche's looneys to testify? There are several other errors no one has pointed out yet. One is we didn't have the Y2K phenomenon in 2000. That was 1999. On January 1st when the lights stayed on, people realized it was mostly hype.

Two: Full Spectrum Command is not a 1st-person shooter. You could respond that it's a 3rd-person shooter and the difference isn't really important for these purposes, but that would also be incorrect. You do not have direct controller over a character. You do not shoot anyone. You give orders to AI-controlled soldiers. It is, after all, meant to train people for command, not for shooting people. It's a real-time strategy game.
Submitted by BlueWolf72 - May 20, 2007 at 10:40 am -0500
ohh for those who want to debate Don:

CONTACT DON PHAU-- CALL 703 771-8490

not sure if it works but it was on the net
Submitted by BlueWolf72 - May 20, 2007 at 10:37 am -0500
Dan is odd: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/videos_brain.html
Submitted by BlueWolf72 - May 20, 2007 at 10:29 am -0500
This is coming from this guy who

"years imprisonment in 1988 for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax code violations, but continued his political activities from behind bars until his release in 1994 on parole."

and you want to say games are bad....looks like money is on your mind
Submitted by kurisu7885 - May 20, 2007 at 10:31 am -0500
"Those for forget their history are doomed to repeat it."

And honestly, these, ahem, "gentleman" have forgotten Columbine and the Robida cases a long time ago as well as the cases against rock and roll and rap, as this is the same crap as before.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 20, 2007 at 10:33 am -0500
@BlueWolf72: Hilarity ensues!
Submitted by jonc2006 - May 20, 2007 at 10:23 am -0500
i dont think jack has anything to do with this nutcase either, both have different ideas about what to do. this guy wants to outright ban violent games altogether, even adults would not be able to play them. jack on the other hand seems to want much tougher laws that to keep violent games being sold and out of reach from minors, and is constantly pushing retailers to enforce the rating system.

i know jack tried to stop the sale of bully and so forth but that was just one game, he hasnt tried to ban every FPS out there unlike what this guy is ranting about. im not supporting or defending thompson in any way, but i see a clear difference between their thinking.
Submitted by Conejo - May 20, 2007 at 10:12 am -0500
ok, so i flipped around the VTRP website and saw they had a comment portion. i listened to Phau's insanity and felt the need to add a comment.

if you agree with what i say, i urge you to cut/paste, modify, write your own comments to the VTRP.

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VTRP,

it has recently come to my attention that you allowed Don Phau to "testify" before you. while Mr. Phau's commentary might be shocking, you NEED to know that it was also full of inconsistancies, untruths, incorrect "facts," and what may even be outright lies.

We do not need to further slip into an authoritarian state that blindly blames what it does not understand. We do not need to sully the Constitution. Mr. Phau, Jack Thompson, and David Grossman want to scare you. They want to frighten you into giving up civil liberties in order to be "safe."

What they don't want is for the perpetrators of heinous acts to be held responsible for their own actions. What they don't want is for you to know the truth. Do not let them blind you, please.
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Submitted by Majestic_12_x - May 20, 2007 at 10:08 am -0500
I don't believe that Jack's got anything to do with this. I think he's still licking the wounds inflicted by Chris Matthews. He's also contending with lawsuits from the Florida Bar, and he also faces possible disbarment so I think he's going to lay low for a while.

Other than that, Don Phau is poor man's Jack Thompson. It almost seems like he tried to copy Thompson and Grossman word for word, and he can't even do that. (1) Phau sounds a little like Rep. Roy Burrell during the hearing in the Louisiana House of Representatives. Phau seems incapable of speaking clearly and efficiently. His speech reminds me of Woody Allen actually. Unfortunately for Phau, he doesn't seem to have a future in comedy. Phau also seems unable (or simply does not know) to pronounce the shooter's name. It's Cho Seung-Hui, not Sing-Hui. I also find it comedic that his only relevant link is that Cho used a Glock which is also available for use on Counter-Strike. I wonder how many hundreds of movies and books have used Glock (really quite a popular pistol actually). I don't think Phau presents a danger because his facts and links are laughable at best.

I would also like to mention that the only "training program" given to soldiers was "Full Spectrum Command". Not only that, but "Full Spectrum Command" was only test-run by a select group of officers at Fort Benning in order to the test the tactical proficiency that could be gained by introducing a modern training program. "Full Spectrum Command" was designed by the Institute of Creative Technologies in order to teach strategy, not desensitization.
To sum things up, "Full Spectrum Command" does not destroy inhibitions towards killing, it was never intended or provided to ground infantry, and was never released on a large scale to the military.

If you guys ever run into some trouble about this BS notion that the military uses games to "deactivate" violence inhibitions, there's your lifeline.

(1) If you listen to the MP3 file (3:25), Phau states that that "killing simulators" were developed after the Vietnam War. Grossman/Thompson usually state that more violent training methods were developed during the Korean War.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 20, 2007 at 9:48 am -0500
Heh. Ironically, I wrote an article last night that coincides with my opinion on this.

http://www.kobrasrealm.net/kobra/misc/game-critics.php if you're interested.
Submitted by jakethe8lf - May 20, 2007 at 9:49 am -0500
Perhaps Mr. Gallagher can be the game industry's Dee Snider.

That being said, these commies don't stand a chance.
Submitted by Black Manta - May 20, 2007 at 9:41 am -0500
I'll bet that Kaine and the others were wondering the same thing I was: "Who let this guy in the room and how did he manage to get an invitation?"

Why would they allow someone who is part of what is at best considered a fringe political movement and at worst a cult, and allow them to speak which would in effect give them an air of legitimacy I have no idea.
Submitted by Matthew - May 20, 2007 at 9:30 am -0500
"[FPS games] were developed after the Vietnam War… But the video game industry in the year 2000… when we had the Y2K phenomenon, the video game industry decided to make a lot of money. They developed the first-person shooter games and Counter-strike was developed by Microsoft."

Wow. That reads like spam generated using Markov chaining from a Jack Thomspon rpess relase. I bet if you click it you'll be taken to a site where you can buy counterfeit Cialis.
Submitted by Spaniard - May 20, 2007 at 9:35 am -0500
It is a shame that some people continue to take advantage of the massacre to push their personal and political agendas, even when it is proven that Cho did not have videogames in his dorm. I hope that somebody will be able to expose their remorseless opportunism.
Submitted by Will - May 20, 2007 at 9:20 am -0500
This really bothers me. A lot. I wish there was some way to have a fact checker present when these people testify. HE'S ON C-SPAN. It absolutely sickens me that people are allowed to testify before a government body and just spray lies and distorted truths out of their heads the whole time. I think there should be a version of perjury for legislators and people who testify before legislative committees.
Submitted by brokenscope - May 20, 2007 at 9:21 am -0500
.... its sad but I'm really not even that shocked about this... I might have even been a little disappointed if someone hadn't said something that stupid about videogames.

I like his grasp of the timeline, I wonder how he would describe the 20th century.. wonder when he would place world war 2.
Submitted by Hackangel - May 20, 2007 at 6:27 am -0500
It clearly shows that these people have little understanding of the matter at hand. Seeking a scapegoat so strongly, especially one that has little if nothing at all to do with the V-Tech shooting, does dishonor the memory to the victims. They should be better served.
Submitted by konrad_arflane - May 20, 2007 at 6:34 am -0500
"But the video game industry in the year 2000… when we had the Y2K phenomenon, the video game industry decided to make a lot of money. They developed the first-person shooter games and Counter-strike was developed by Microsoft."

What on earth does the Y2K phenomenon have to do with the videogame industry, apart from both being connected with computers in a general sense? Is he suggesting Y2K somehow inspired the industry to try and make a lot of money? Isn't that what anyone in any industry tries to do in the first place?

Sheesh.
Submitted by NS - May 20, 2007 at 6:47 am -0500
I look forward to the day when mainstream newspapers actually bother doing a little fact checking and we see an article like this one in ink, something which makes the anti-gamers look like the hopelessly ignorant old bastards that they are.
Submitted by Yuki - May 20, 2007 at 6:57 am -0500
Sad indeed when a guy like Jack thompson, up for 5 ethics violations, thinks your so crazy that he wants nothing to do with you.

But seriously, this is the kinda crap I keep harping on. Why is now one in the INdustry leveling a major slander suit on phau and anyone else who repeats his drivel, certianly the level of misinformation and lies is within the area of slander already.

Even if you don't win, just fighting back would get things started.

And if you do win, well, think of how quickly people might start wiseing up and checking there facts first before blurting them out.

Hal Halpin, time you got to work.
Submitted by University Update - May 20, 2007 at 7:00 am -0500
VA Tech Panel Witness: Violent Games Should Be Banned Like Heroin...

...
Submitted by Darkken - May 20, 2007 at 7:06 am -0500
I'm not terribly worried. This guy's facts don't check out; his bizarre diatribes about the Vietnam war and the Y2K game developer conspiracy are blatantly out of this world. Heck, his closing question about what kind of games were on Cho's computer - don't know already? I seem to recall reports saying he didn't own a single computer game, and nobody ever saw him play one.

People who have no idea what they're talking about are annoying, but ultimately, the fact that they're essentially wrong will prevent them from being particularily dangerous.
Submitted by grls-r-gamers-2 - May 20, 2007 at 7:12 am -0500
I think stupidity should be banned like heroin.

Is "Phau" pronounced the same as "faux"? Let's call him Mr. Faux from now on. It's a fitting name isn't it?

Anyway, I'm going to wrap up everything everyone here is thinking in one sentence. Mr. Faux, you are a terribly misinformed, asinine, technophobic liar and the ESA and ECA should sue your ass.
Submitted by CyberSkull - May 20, 2007 at 7:16 am -0500
Direct link to Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Larouche
Submitted by nightwng2000 - May 20, 2007 at 7:37 am -0500
Yuki,
I suspect John Bruce has more to do with than he wants to let on. Either that, or he's beginning to know what it's like to be David Walsh with a John Bruce pimple on his butt.

I wonder if this hearing required witnesses to give testimony under oath.

And if the Gov. and/or any senator or representative decides to use such testimony to try to push forth any sort of legislation, I suspect that it will come back to bite THEM on the butt once some intelligent individual points out all the misinformation and conspiracy theory paranoia that these fake experts have been spreading.

As to Mr. Halpin, I haven't joined the ECA yet. Not because I don't have in Mr. Halpin's organization to be ABLE to stand up for Citizen's and Parent's Rights, but I'd like to know if they WILL be using their strength, and my money, to take an active role in that defense. If I want a mouthpiece, I'll stick with my free VGVN and send my own letters as well. But if I'm going to pay an organization to defend my Rights, then they better be actively doing it in court, on TV, in the newspapers, and so forth.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Submitted by Jonathan - May 20, 2007 at 7:38 am -0500
Lol Lyndon LaRouche. This barely even scratches surface of how bizzarre this cult his; have a look at this:

http://www.jackherer.com/chapter14.html (near the bottom)

No one takes these guys seriously anymore, thank God...
Submitted by hayabusa75 - May 20, 2007 at 7:47 am -0500
Sometimes when there's so much nonsense thrown at you at once, it's hard to decide what to refute first; sort of the shark in the school of fish concept. Glad Dennis took care of that!

The guy in the picture looks like he could be MC Thompson's cousin or something. Except for the fact that you could land a 747 on that nose, that is. Who is that?
Submitted by Silver_Derstin - May 20, 2007 at 7:58 am -0500
I'm scared by how misinformed this guy and his group is. If ANYONE were to take them seriously, you can bet we'd be serving under a Benevolent Leader in no time.
Submitted by me - May 20, 2007 at 8:00 am -0500
Hey! New ESA head Mike Gallagher! STEP UP AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!
Submitted by Soldatlouis - May 20, 2007 at 8:16 am -0500
Thanks Dennis for talking about them. I wish we didn't have to do this, but they made too much noise to remain ignored, so here we are.

About Don Phau, remember his article about "The Satanic Roots of Rock & Roll" : http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/satanrocks.htm
Submitted by arowe87 - May 20, 2007 at 8:25 am -0500
I find it funny that in his testimony he says that at any given time there are over a million "kids" worldwide playing this game. So I have a question, why aren't there a million "kids" all over the world going into public places and killing everyone?

Also notice how in other parts of the world there isn't that many school shootings, at least none that we hear about. These people need to check facts before they go on rants about what they feel is right for the "kids".
Submitted by jccalhoun - May 20, 2007 at 8:31 am -0500
LaRouche's people have been on this anti-videogame thing for a while. As far back as the Erfurt shootings http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/hzl_banviol_502.html
and their Mathaba "news agency" has been all over the Va Tech shootings http://mathaba.net/news/?x=553662 scroll down to the bottom of that page for links to the other stories they have posted. I especially like the one about how the media covering it up as part os some conspiracy...
Submitted by -Jes- - May 20, 2007 at 8:31 am -0500
This pitaful excuse for a man named Don Phau, I propose, should be banned. The same way you cannot buy heroin; the same way you cannot be a 16-year-old and buy pornography.



Seriously, isn't it punishable BY LAW to lie during any form of governmental testimony?
Submitted by GoodRobotUs - May 20, 2007 at 9:07 am -0500
One day America will actually get an 'expert' in these situations that is actually an expert....
Submitted by Velvet Llama - May 29, 2007 at 1:42 pm -0500
it's frustrating that so much misinformation is allowed to go unchallanged with regards to this issue. actual experts are never really sought out. no disrespect ot mr. grossman, but he really is not qualified to speak on media effects. there is a large and ever growing body of research, spanning several accademic disciplines, that investigates the effects of exposure to different media and consistant results can be found among the studies. it is a shame that this solid body of accademic inquiry is given little to no voice in the public discourse over violent games
Submitted by Heath Justin Chaney - May 26, 2007 at 3:11 pm -0500
It will be interesting to see what the panel's final report will be.
Submitted by Motorcycle Guy - May 24, 2007 at 5:39 pm -0500
that's ridiculous how do you define a violent game then? where do you draw the line?
Submitted by Alim - May 24, 2007 at 4:53 pm -0500
Man, Big Brother, I don't know what to believe anymore? look they're pretty right on the politics thing.

It comes from these guys: http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/developing_stories/new_violence.shtml

Google May Use Games to Compile Psycho-Profiles
May 12 (EIRNS)--Google's plans to build psycho-profiles of millions of online game-players came to light in a patent it filed in Europe and the US last month, the Guardian reports today. The company thinks it can glean information about a person's preferences and personality type by tracking their online behavior, which could then be sold to advertisers. Details such as whether a person is more likely to be aggressive, hostile or dishonest could be obtained and stored for future use.
The patent says that people playing online role-playing games such as Second Life and World of Warcraft would be particularly good to target, because they interact with other players and make decisions that probably reflect their behavior in real life.
The patent says Google could also monitor people playing on any game console that hooks up to the internet, including the Sony PlayStation, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft's Xbox. It says information could be retrieved from previous game details stored on memory cards.
The Lord-of-the-Rings style fantasy game World of Warcraft has over 8 million subscribers worldwide who each pay $15-20 per month to take part. Second Life, an online virtual community which mimics the real world, has over 5 million registered users and 1.2 million regular visitors. A recent report by Screen Digest suggests that the market for "virtual worlds" exceeds $1 billion per year.
Google said it has no plan to introduce the technology in the near future. "Google registers different patents irrespective of whether we intend to use them."

I just stopped play I won't play until we refute these guys.
Submitted by Phantom - May 21, 2007 at 6:45 pm -0500
God, this is one of the best things that could ever happen to the video game industry. We gamers should do all we can to ensure that the anti-gaming argument is closely tied to Lyndon LaRouche. Nothing would kill the credibility of the opposition faster.
Submitted by Cheeselikescereal - May 21, 2007 at 7:26 pm -0500
Video games had nothing to do with the shootings.
Submitted by voodooKobra - May 21, 2007 at 9:04 pm -0500
"Video games had nothing to do with the shootings."
Quoted for truth.

Columbine, Virginia Tech... none of them can be blamed on video games. I don't care how much bullshit you reinforce your opinions with. The evidence is stacked against you.
Submitted by VGartist9000 - May 21, 2007 at 10:29 pm -0500
You know what?

What will happen if they make games illegal?

Just imagine....

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z47/VGartist9000/451degrees.jpg

I wonder what they will go after next?
Submitted by Korrd - May 22, 2007 at 12:34 am -0500
Please tell me each of you has sent a message to the VTRP informing them of the gross misrepresentation of facts by Mr. Phau.

Your shock and outrage are for naught without action.
Submitted by Vagary - May 22, 2007 at 5:23 am -0500
How is it possible? There is not a single one referral to the law that US citizens can buy and own a gun... Not to mention, all the people who have commented this article in disbelief of the stated assumptions of Phau.
I find it frightening to notice that noone seems to find a possible endangerement in owning and buying a gun in the US.
On topic: Whats wrong with these people who can't distinguish the right cause and consequence. Why are those people involved in such a high debat which involves the security of the US citizens and therefore also the rest of the world. This is a very odd and a good example of Ostrich Politics.
Submitted by Captain X - May 22, 2007 at 8:10 am -0500
What a lunatic. First and formost as mentioned he has very innaccurate information which discredits him as a source for any worthwhile information. I am seriously if we ban or criminalize violent video games then where do we go? Back to the movies? Television? This is a free country last time I checked.

Maybe he shoudl get out from under his rock because by my count most of the games available are not rated M as a matter of fact most games fall into the E or E10 catagory making up almost 60% of all games released in a given year.

I have commented on this before on other posts but just as I have said with regard to Jack Thompson. Video games, movies, television, music, they are not the cause of the problem they are products of the culture we live in. If a video game or a movie makes you kill someone then you were going to kill someone anyway. An adult should know the difference between real and virtual and be able to seperate the two. Personally I think shows like CSI and others would be more informational for career criminals in giving them better ideas on how to get away with commiting crimes.
Submitted by Gameboy - May 22, 2007 at 8:45 am -0500
@ Captain X

You are completely right! Unfortunately, this loon agrees with you, too. They literally want to ban EVERYTHING! Rock, Rap, Jazz, anything not on their approved classical list, television, games, etc. Hell, from what I've read, I'm surprised they have websites at all.

Check some of the links people have provided for more information on his organization. According to one site, they even wanted Mark Chapman declared a national hero BECAUSE he murdered John Lennon!
Submitted by Nick Fontana - May 22, 2007 at 12:05 pm -0500
April 20, 1999. Columbine High School. Littleton, Colorado. Two young men with something to prove murdered 13 and wounded 23. Then, they committed suicide. These are the consequences of what today’s video game industry is doing to the youth of our society.
This is the reality that parents and guardians are facing. With more and more video game consoles and more and more children playing them, parents must choose what to do. Whether it’s limiting the child’s playing time to taking the games away completely. The fact of the matter is that violent video games produce violent behavior.
In an experiment by Calvert and Tan, college students who played violent video games reported higher heart rates, more dizziness and nausea, and showed higher levels of aggression in posttests than students who played nonviolent games (Shin). Also, in the same study, those who had played the violent video games displayed much more physical and verbal aggression towards inanimate objects and playmates during a free play (Shin).
Another study conducted by Karen E. Dill, Ph.D. and Graig A. Anderson found that lower academic grades were consistent in students that played video games regularly, which could, or might not, be another cause for aggression and anger increases (Shin). Their studies also found that violent video games cause more aggression increases than violent movies or television because of the interaction factor (Shin).
According to the joint statement by the doctors at the Congressional Public Health Meeting, children exposed to violence see it as an effective way of settling conflicts and are more accepting of violent behavior (Cook et. a). It’s also been found that being exposed to such violence can lead to desensitization towards it in real life (Cook et. a). All of this violence can also lead to a fear of society and a mistrusting attitude later in life (Cook et. a).
The negative effects of video games include but are not limited to violent behavior. There are physical effects from playing such violent video games as well, such as cardiovascular problems, anxiety issues, and game induced seizures (Kearney). Children are also overweight and less active than those 20 years ago (Kearney). Another problem is that compulsive players may form addictions to these games trying to run away from the problems of their everyday lives, cause even more problems (Kearney).
In the case of Columbine, it was recorded that one of the killers, Klebold, said, “I hope we kill 250 people, it’s going to be like f---ing Doom” (Kearney). Doom was the most violent video game in the marketplace at the time of the incident. The two teenagers played it religiously and used game editors to make it a two-player game with defenseless victims, practicing for what they called “judgment day,” the day they would attack Columbine High School (Kearney). This is the outcome of these violent games twisting young peoples minds into violent, desensitized monsters.
These games are inaccurately named, because games are suppose to be fun for people to enjoy, and the kinds of transgressions that have rooted from these games isn’t fun for anyone. These video games make children experience violent behavior, poor physical quality, and may even lead to possible addiction. These “games” can’t be accepted for too much longer, because our society as a whole is at risk.
Submitted by Bob Shitake - May 22, 2007 at 1:24 pm -0500
Anything in moderation is fine. Replace "Video Games" with "Tv" or even "Masterbation" can conclude the same things...
Submitted by Siftr - May 22, 2007 at 2:06 pm -0500
Phau continued:

These games, I propose, should be banned. The same way you cannot buy heroin; the same way you cannot be a 16-year-old and buy pornography.

Phau also incorrectly cites statistics on the ability of underage buyers to purchase M-rated games:

82% of games rated M… 82% of kids can buy these games. You can go to Wal-mart. You can go to Best Buy and buy them.


I propose we ban stupid people like you from taking office the same way we ban convicts from voting.

also: jack thompson has just shown the first signs of intelligence.
Submitted by Nekojin - May 22, 2007 at 2:45 pm -0500
@ Nick Fontana: Nice propaganda. Too bad it's riddled with inaccuracies and improper conclusions.
Submitted by ShadowpengO - May 22, 2007 at 3:06 pm -0500
I believe that this issue should be more about the actual crime instead of what "inspired" it, and wtf is up with all the incorrect information being thrown around? I think that this has become a pointless issue to many people, but the victims of the crime... what about them? I wonder if anyone from VT and their families have any qualms with what these crazies are saying. I would be pissed to hear these people trying to blame the reason why my son or daughter was killed was because of something as obsurd as violent video games. If the crazy theorists take away the crazy violent video game players only source of violent entertainment, I think we will end up with more issues than we can point a glock at.
Submitted by john fox - May 22, 2007 at 10:21 pm -0500
VA. Chair asks for LaRouche PAC aide in finding out more about Video games!!!!

Guys you missed it, the LaRouchies testified again down
in Blacksburg and caused another uproad. I guess CSPAN was not invited to film the second meeting live....

Look at what they said about the meeting

"LPAC calls on VA Tech. Review Panel to Conduct Thorough Assessment on the Role of Violent Video Games in the Virginia Tech Tragedy"

http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/05/22/vatech_testimo...

This is some serious @#$*
Submitted by Skull / Bones » Blog Archive » Don Phau regales - May 23, 2007 at 1:44 am -0500
[...] Don Phau.  A Larouchian.  He spoke before a panel organized by Virginia governor Kaine to look into causes for the Virginia Tech shootings, and came out swining against violent video games.  Par for the course for the Larouchian contingency, his attacks were of a more hysterical focus than his fellow compatriots for his position. [...]
Submitted by Tye The Czar - May 23, 2007 at 6:32 am -0500
Hey guys! Big IDEA, oy! We should make character models of haters and put them into our games. Complete with their soundbites. Anyone up for that, oy?
Submitted by Hostgator » Blog Archive » VA Tech Panel Witness - May 29, 2007 at 4:57 am -0500
[...] In official testimony before the commission investigating the Virginia Tech massacre, a representative of fringe political figure Lyndon LaRouche called for banning violent games in the same way that heroin is banned. The witness also testified inaccurately on several issues and cited game critics like Jack Thompson and David Grossman.read more | digg story [...]
Submitted by Verbinator - May 23, 2007 at 10:54 am -0500
Not long after the Columbine incident, someone from La Rouche's campaign showed up outside the doors of id Software. It so spooked some of the guys that id hired (off duty) police protection for a couple weeks afterwards. True story.
Submitted by Wag - May 23, 2007 at 11:05 am -0500
I'm not too clear on the whole "testify" thing works but I guess I always assumed that a person is under oath at that point. I'm probably mistaken in this situation, but either way it seems that the video game industry would make a killing (pun intended) if they started suing the hell out of these idiots for slander, libel, and defamation.

Honestly, why doesn't someone go to the mainstream media newsfolks who seems so willing and able to sensationalize games and media violence and have them do the flip side of the story? I would imagine that pointing out such glaring inaccuracies in the kind of uneducated and flat-out untrue information that spouts from famous celebrities and public figures would be so outright appalling that there is no way they wouldn't want to cover it.

The fact that the shooter wasn't a "gamer" and hadn't been for quite some time should be evidence enough that these people are only out there for their own benefit and don't really give a rats ass about the "issue" so to speak.
Submitted by Angeredguy - July 12, 2007 at 11:13 pm -0500
1. The guy was crazy in the first place. I mean, anyone who is in the right-of-mind wouln't go out and shoot somebody(or many people.) yes people shoot people and are not crazy, but they did it because of a reason. Maybe they were mad at the person they shot, or in a gang, things like that. It is possible that younger kids will think it is o.k. and do it because they can do it in a video game, but that is why there are rating on the video games. at the age of the game is rated, they should be mature enough to understad it is only a game and you can't go out and do it. If they are not mature enough to do it, then they didn't watch enough 'Cops'

2. I don't see how violent games are like heroin. When you are on heroin your brain is pretty much useless, which means you can't use heroin and then go driving, because you can't think straight, But you can go play video games for 3 hours then drive around, because video games don't effect the brain that badly. Heroin clouds mental function. Playing video games, you need your brain, so you are using it. so if anything, Video games are acually good for your brain.


(by the way, i got my heroin facts at the NIDA http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Heroin/heroin3.html
and i do not do heroin, because i need my brain to be fully functoinal when playing video games)
Submitted by Mahyar Taskindoust - June 7, 2007 at 8:23 pm -0500
Im not gonna go too indepth with my reply but according to the statistics of M-rate game buyers it has changed some bit but the real cause is parents even with the restriction i see iggnorant mothers buying violetn M-rated games for thier 12 year old kids knowing full aware what it does and even if the kids bought the game how could a parent not know of what they are playing. Certain games like GTA:San Andreas can't go 5 seconds with cursing or other games where both the visual and vocal effects can grab anyone sattention to muffled screams of torture like in Manhunt ot the violent brutality ingames like god of war but where are the parents to blame if they start a shooting no its the kids they hang out with but if the childs succeeds in life the parents take all the credit and before i leave these debates are kind of like the ones on gun control if one or two people go crazy and use them for bad then they spoil the rights of others who are exercising their right and for the recond i plan on owning a gun but with all this debates they just wanna become indian givers who give things then take back soon you will see airsoft guns although painfull not lethal will be banned
Submitted by They Know: LaRouche Camp Calls Foul On VA Tech Report | blog - June 26, 2007 at 12:54 pm -0500
[...] GamePolitics has been following the saga of the Virginia Tech Review Panel since they began, documenting the semi-invasion of the the process by followers of nutty political figure Lyndon LaRouche, seemingly hell-bent on blaming the entire incident on video games. From telling the panel that violent games should be banned like heroin to endlessly testifying against a hobby that had nothing to do with the incident at all. When the report was finally released last week, it contained no mention of video games. Case closed, right? [...]
Submitted by socrates - June 26, 2007 at 3:08 am -0500
The LaRouche cult is a real life "videogame" with its enemies to shoot at like Rohatyn, Al Gore etc, to save the world from Hell, WW3 etc It s another planet, a bizarro world BUT with its REAL victims like Jeremiah Duggan, an English student who spent several days at what he believed to be an antiwar conference and was found suspiciously DEAD a few yards from larouche HQ in Wiesbaden, Germany. His parents consider larouche responsible for his death (http://www.justiceforjeremiah.com/). Or the recent suicide of an old colleague of larouche, Ken Kronberg, after being bullied by him and his "Larouche Youth Cult" (oops sorry... "Movement"). Read at http://www.kennethkronberg.com/
These are real victims.
Submitted by Bdk - August 1, 2007 at 1:40 pm -0500
I'm sick of all this false info being throw out like it's fact. If people would start telling the truth this crap wouldnt even go before a panel. Also let's not forget ...that bath school massacre. Gaming wasn't around then. Have this pheu or whatever guy explain that. He's full of lies and only out to further his cult status. Sad the world is so weak minded that guys like him are taken seriously.
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This pitaful excuse for a man named Don Phau, I propose, should be banned. The same way you cannot buy heroin; the same way you cannot be a 16-year-old and buy pornography.

Seriously, isn’t it punishable BY LAW to lie during any form of governmental testimony?
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Submitted by wooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:20 pm -0500
im sory for my redcent actions

>> VIOLENT GAMES R GUD 4 U
Submitted by ..... - November 4, 2007 at 10:21 pm -0500
yea same and they are >.
Submitted by wooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:21 pm -0500
wtf is >.
Submitted by wooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:23 pm -0500
Cho Seung-Hui is my hero
Submitted by Cho Seung-Hui - November 4, 2007 at 10:23 pm -0500
yes im a hero
Submitted by wooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:23 pm -0500
nice 0.o
Submitted by Dr.Cornholio - November 4, 2007 at 10:26 pm -0500
im gaaay!!!!!!
Submitted by ..... - November 4, 2007 at 10:27 pm -0500
yea well screw u cokbite
Submitted by stolen identity singer - November 4, 2007 at 10:28 pm -0500
Mary had a little lamb,
Little lamb, little lamb,
Mary had a little lamb,
Its fleece was white as snow

And everywhere that Mary went,
Mary went, Mary went,
Everywhere that Mary went
The lamb was sure to go

It followed her to school one day
School one day, school one day
It followed her to school one day
Which was against the rules.

It made the children laugh and play,
Laugh and play, laugh and play,
It made the children laugh and play
To see a lamb at school

And so the teacher turned it out,
Turned it out, turned it out,
And so the teacher turned it out,
But still it lingered near

And waited patiently about,
Patiently about, patiently about,
And waited patiently about
Till Mary did appear

"Why does the lamb love Mary so?"
Love Mary so? Love Mary so?
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?"
The eager children cry

"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know."
Loves the lamb, you know, loves the lamb, you know
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know."
The teacher did reply
Submitted by Mary had a little lamb, - November 4, 2007 at 10:30 pm -0500
i sing
Submitted by woooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:31 pm -0500
GRAVY

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Submitted by woooop t 2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:32 pm -0500
get it right its wooop t 2
Submitted by woodypeck - November 4, 2007 at 10:34 pm -0500
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Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:34 pm -0500
dis is a ridddle....

You have an apple three with apppples surrounded by wooter.
You have a mongy sitting on the three.
You have an island 50 gilometres away.
You want to get the apple, but cow?

You tull me!
Submitted by woooop t 2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:36 pm -0500
Hmmmm is ther a bus???????????????
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:37 pm -0500
ima nt a vary gods at speaking englesh excuse me foer this
Submitted by crazy bum from uranus - November 4, 2007 at 10:38 pm -0500
BEWARE
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:39 pm -0500
suka mik dic yo bumchum
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:39 pm -0500
No!!!!! no bus u bucket!! only mongey and you!! with an upple three!
Submitted by woooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:39 pm -0500
ok is it a fly
Submitted by woooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:40 pm -0500
or a crow
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:40 pm -0500
again me not bery wud at spoking englis! so plos forget me!
Submitted by woooopt2 - November 4, 2007 at 10:41 pm -0500
yes
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 4, 2007 at 10:42 pm -0500
tonk u tonk u! q r bery kid! ololo
Submitted by crunchy_ninja - November 4, 2007 at 10:43 pm -0500
isa myy boder ere heisa knot vary good ast speakings engliano
Submitted by crunchy_ninja - November 4, 2007 at 10:44 pm -0500
he isa pur inglisjh
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 5, 2007 at 12:12 am -0500
ohk bery wud! So do u cab da inswer por me ridel?
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 5, 2007 at 12:15 am -0500
Oh ho ho ho!!! ha he ho ha he ho ho. i Am very laubing now!!! oooo me gud! id is bery kesy!! me can belive u cunt got da inswer!! ho he ha!
Submitted by peekaboo! - November 5, 2007 at 12:22 am -0500
I recon that vilent game must have some code of prectice. like what to include or not to inlude.
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 5, 2007 at 12:23 am -0500
who are you "peekaboo!"?
Submitted by crunchy_sniper - November 5, 2007 at 12:24 am -0500
hehehehe it was me under the name "peekaboo" hahehhohaheho lol!!! hehahe i gut u!
Submitted by VA Tech Panel Witness Ban Violent Games Like Heroin « - November 8, 2007 at 12:12 pm -0500
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Submitted by Sarah - April 18, 2008 at 10:36 am -0500
I believe Violent Video games SHOULD be banned. Children start video games at a young age and they will be running the U.S. someday. THIRD GRADERS were going to kil their teacher and they got this from video games. Banning these games will leave more money for important matters such as gas and food and clothing.
Re: VA Tech Panel Witness: Violent Games Should Be Banned Like
Submitted by Peter - May 16, 2008 at 12:59 pm -0500

Violent games should be banned , that should have happened long ago. When people start to play these kinds of games with  violent images and actions they don't seem to realise whats right and whats wrong.

And in the end they start to behave like this in society.

Re: VA Tech Panel Witness: Violent Games Should Be Banned ...
Submitted by timada - March 31, 2009 at 9:42 pm -0500

I agree with Peter. Violent games should be banned. I don't see the point in just killing people. Where's the fun? I find violent games as harmful and useless as heroin!!! I don't understand what kind of people would like to play these type of games...

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Andrew Eisen: Just got home from an eight hour recording session at Capitol Records. A lot of fun but damn exhausting.
Posted 11/22/09 at 08:44pm
BearDogg-X: 10 N. O. Who Dat?
Posted 11/22/09 at 09:45am
ZippyDSMlee: JD:I think doc phill is still sout about the break up with his wife he dose not fill holes as much as make them bigger these day
Posted 11/22/09 at 12:06am
JDKJ: You should get Phil McCraken to help you spackle those banisters.
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:57pm
ZippyDSMlee: Oh in the pirate hunter article I need my song ieda heckled DS,JD,Beemon sic im !!!
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:56pm
ZippyDSMlee: JD:no I am tried from prepping the banisters for painting , worked on them from 12 to 4 and 6 to 8...after I got back from the store...got up early got ready...blah...been up all day..I need a nap...
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:42pm
JDKJ: No. You gonna stay up late tonight soldering?
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:41pm
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:Don't you mean Mctite?
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:33pm
JDKJ: @Zip: Neil, Bob, and Lik McTaint. The McTaint brothers. LOL!!!
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:44pm
Flamespeak: I still think military personell, killing other military personell, on a military complex should be handled by military courts.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:43pm
Flamespeak: I could see this a mixture of the two charges rather than just one or the other.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:43pm
Flamespeak: I think this was mainly a person who snapped, but evidence is showing he definitely had strong inlinations to islamic-extremism.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:41pm
Flamespeak: People are trying to claim that Hasan's actions were not terrorism. I don't jump on the 'terror train' like others, however
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:38pm
mentor07825: Britain certainly does deserve it! And the French! God damn it, it was a hand ball!!!
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