Florida Attorney General Looking into Wii Version of Manhunt 2

Is Manhunt 2 worse on the Wii? 

GamePolitics has confirmed via multiple sources that Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum (R) has expressed concern over the impending release of Rockstar’s controversial game on Nintendo’s next-gen console.

For McCollum, the issue seems to be the use of the Wii’s motion-sensitive controller. It is widely anticipated that players will be required to simulate slashing, stabbing or clubbing motions in order to play Manhunt 2 on Nintendo’s popular system.

McCollum apparently said as much in an on-camera interview Monday with Fox News reporter Orlando Salinas. The interview hasn’t aired so far. It was originally slated to run this evening, but late yesterday Salinas told GamePolitics he thought it might run closer to Manhunt 2’s July 9th release date.

Among those interviewed by Salinas for the report was anti-game attorney Jack Thompson, who has been beating the drum about Manhunt 2 – and especially the Wii version – for several weeks. A Thompson letter sent to both McCollum and Florida Governor Charlie Crist (R) on May 12th read in part:

Florida retailers are scheduled to sell a very violent video game called Manhunt 2 which will be available, remarkably, for “play” on the kids-friendly Nintendo Wii gaming platform.

The Wii device does not utilize traditional push button game controllers but instead utilizes hand-held motion capture devices… It is a training device. 

Despite several calls to his office, it remains unclear whether or not Gov. Crist will take a position on Manhunt 2. However, it would appear that Jack Thompson has gotten the Florida Attorney General’s attention.

According to our sources, A.G. McCollum is not focusing at all on the PS2 or PSP versions of the game.  Instead, McCollum is looking into the Wii version due to its motion-controlled simulation of violence. “That’s where they’re kicking up their heels,” one source said.

In February of this year GamePolitics asked Nintendo officials if they were concerned about potential backlash over Manhunt 2’s appearance on the Wii. Beth Llewelyn, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications told GP at the time:

Manhunt 2 is not developed or published by Nintendo. It is one of many titles released by third party publishers for our system that appeal to people of all ages and interests. Just as with movies, television, and books, different video games appeal to – and are appropriate for – different audiences.

A knowledgable video game industry source has told GamePolitics that Nintendo actively pursued a Wii version of Manhunt 2.

[Nintendo exec] Reggie [Fils-Aime] spent a fair amount of time soliciting [former Take Two CEO] Paul Eibeler to get the game on the Wii… Reggie did it to introduce more M-rated content, as he was afraid too many people would pigeon-hole [the Wii] as a kid machine.

It is unknown what – if any – official action A.G. McCollum might take. Florida has no video game law on the books and Manhunt 2, violent though it may be, would appear to enjoy the same constitutional protections afforded to other games.

For his part, Thompson has urged Gov. Crist and Attorney General McCollum to have Manhunt 2 declared a public nuisance under Florida law. But the anti-game attorney tried – and failed – with that legal gambit in his 2006 bid to block distribution of another Rockstar game, Bully.

UPDATE: GP has received the following comment from A.G. McCollum’s Press Secretary:

Attorney General Bill McCollum is concerned about any games which may instill violence in children, particularly games that encourage children to engage in violent behavior, even in simulation. He believes it is important to help protect children from influences which may introduce violence into their lives and stresses the importance of parental involvement in the efforts to keep these influences out of our homes and away from our families.


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    alex says:

    what the hell is this shit that the wiimote promotes violent behavior? i have quit an impressive inventory of real, and legal weapons. just to name a few a 6 foot high carbon steel double edged sword, a 45. cal pistol and a BAR 50 riffle, there all registerd dont ask! so to tell ya the truth i hardly need a game to teach me how to perform violent acts, the wiimote is just another means to satisfy the demand from gamers for a more realistic gaming experience, and yes the wiimote is the product of gamers input not just a marketing ploy by nintendo we demanded a more realistic and in depth gaming experience, and nintendo deliverd!

    and just out of curiosity what drives a man to rape a women? (yes i am totaly against it!) id love to see ya try and stick that one on a video game!

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    sean says:

    first off this I see this as nothing more then jack thompson to keep his fucking name in the news, dosent he have any thing better to do? And as for the game it self i dont think its right to ban this game, ANYWHERE! i truely sincerly believe that the sale of games like manhunt 2 need to be restricted to people over the age of 17, and as for the asshole parents that buy these games for there under age childern(and give thompson something to do ) , do some fucking research before you buy it! read the package, check it out on the net, something, dont blindly buy it. and the bottom line is that if this game and others like it offend you dont buy them and dont allow them to be playd in your house, but please dont make life tough for the rest of us.

    oh and by the way jack thompson if you read this it dosent matter if its bannd in florida i can allways buy it off ebay or for that matter drive over the state line into georga and buy a copy, so for all of your hard work you accomplish nothing!

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    Clax says:

    Ban manhunt on the wii because you hack and slash with a wiimote? Why not ban flashlights because kids like to pretend they’re lightsabers? When I was little I didn’t need a small white box in my hand to learn how to hit things. I had plastic swords, bows and arrows and so on, kids would learn much better with those than on a wii (if the kids were allowed to even BUY the game).

    Those of us who are grown-ups might just want to play the game because it’s a game. Here’s a little news for “Anti-game lawyers” – I OWN swords and axes. Functional ( metal, sharpened, and yes legal (just not in public)) ones and wooden, training ones. If I feel the need to “Simulate murders” I can take my training weapons out into my back yard and swing my little heart out. If on the other hand I want to play a game… I’ll boot up a Games console.

    Seriously, these guys should first fight the fact that REAL lethal weapons are publicly, and legally available, before trying to ban games, because they have something that might be a little bit like a real weapon.

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    […] Gamers joke wryly about “wii” on the Game Politics blog, “Slashing someone’s neck with a shard of glass? Simply move your Wii-mote right to left in a sweeping motion while pressing the B button…” Game Politics reports on the Florida attorney general’s issues with Manhunt 2’s Nintendo Wii interactive gaming platform where players can “act out” the violence, not just use a joystick. […]

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    Tooie says:

    I love violent games! I play GTA, Scarface, Silent Hill all sorts of violent games! I even bought Manhunt for the Xbox. But i pretty much had to get rid of it cause it was actually TOO violent for me! You can call me a wimp if you want but that game pretty much crossed the line for me. Now I am not saying that the game should be banned, I am just saying I think they should do everything they can to keep it away from younger gamers. Its a pretty sick game.

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    Velt says:

    Ok, really…

    Parents against violent video games are just looking for other people to blame for their own incapacity to teach their children the proper values of life, and remove the responsibility from their own hands to ensure their child is not mentally skewed.

    The wii controls hardly resemble reality and are only there to create an extra element for the gaming community. It requires an additional level of thought, as opposed to button mashing it also requires hand movements.

    If you have ever played a wii, you know that the sensor never responds to exactly what your hand is doing.

    The bottom line is this, If you can not control the media you want your child to see, then you should make sure to clarify the difference between fiction and non fiction. Regardless what you say, Games are an art, and an expression. Denying Rockstar their right to create mature rated games, is the same thing as denying all adults the right to curse. The fact that this is even an idea is an outrage to Rockstar’s constitutional rights of Freedom of Speech. They aren’t forcing this media on your children, and it is rated mature so your children can not purchase it from the store.

    But hey, Politician’s rape the constitution every day to place blame on everything except themselves. Jack Thompson thinks he is doing good, but he isn’t. People like Jack Thompson are the reason that kids are so fucked up these days, he is trying to prohibit expression. Could you imagine if Jack Thompson’s issue was against traditional art? What he is doing now, is the same as denying Artists like Dav Marat the ability to create amazing art like this http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/resourcesb/dav_marat.jpg

    Just because a few kids/parents blamed video games to absolve their own responsibility does not mean that there should be no media for adults.

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    Michael ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What I have to say is using the wii remote to kill on a video game would
    make a person feel alot better because that person would actually feel
    more like they are getting revenge on the person that was mean to them
    without hurting that person themself compared to just simply pressing
    buttons which would not have as much of a good feeling impact like moving
    the wii controller as if you are doing the killing. I feel that this new feature
    might lessen the violence when the angry person says hey I should just
    take my anger out by playing manhunt 2 on the nintendo wii until I feel
    alright. I believe that if politicians take our right to just simply play a game
    by which we are not doing anything harmful to a person then this is not the
    real free America that the ammendment says. I believe that now after
    reading this the parents and politicians can stop the nonsense of taking
    away our freedom to just simply play a video game in our own home and
    use all that free time to go against issues like child abuse.

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    J says:

    Why can’t politicians realize that parents have the ability to raise their own kids? I doubt that most politicians have the moral fiber to be in government, let alone my home!

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    […] Jack Thompson calls Manhunt 2 Wii a murder training device, Florida lawyer agrees Jack Thompson calls Manhunt 2 Wii a murder training device, Florida lawyer agrees Posted Jun 09, 2007 at 08:02PM by Nicolo S. M-rated games coming to the Wii are expected to be criticized and contested. Manhunt 2, in particular, is receiving much word from anti-game lawyers. In an interview by Fox News, Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum talked about the game’s Wii version requiring players to slash and stab using the Wiimote. When talking about violent video games and lawyers, it’s almost inevitable to include Jack Thompson’s name. This time, he’s the one who sparked the issue by sending a letter to McCollum and Florida Governor Charlie Crist. The letter said: Florida retailers are scheduled to sell a very violent video game called Manhunt 2 which will be available, remarkably, for

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    […] Well, it is Nintendo’s CEO Reggie Fils-Aime who spent a fair amount of time for accomplishing a gaming console like Wii that is literally a kid machine, but whom would know (not even Reggie) that such a high kid friendly aptitude will come forth as a hurdle, its way. Florida Attorney General, Bill McCollum sounds something alike, who says that the game console is highly anticipated console by all the kids and games like Manhunt II (from the developer Rockstar) are inadequate for the kids because the game contains high gore and bloodshed that can stir the psyche of a child, and availability of such violent game over Wii is just nothing other than training children warfare, because of its motion-sensing device and results in the educating kids murderous strokes. […]

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    Clawed fish says:

    Ever hear of a game called Whack-a-mole? Can’t we consider that to be a training device to hit moles over the head? Also, don’t kids also play sports anymore? Doesn’t that teach out to swing some very nice blunt weapons?

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    J-Guy says:

    “The Wii device does not utilize traditional push button game controllers but instead utilizes hand-held motion capture devices… It is a training device.”

    Like a kid couldn’t figure out a way to choke a person without video games? Or swing something? Thompson has no intelligence or abstract thinking.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The thing that makes me laugh about all this is the way JT jumps from his ‘vibrating controller teaches children how to kill’ position to ‘This is different because it doesn’t use push-buttons, so it’s a training device.’

    He basically admits that he was talking bollocks about the ‘push button thing’, it’s like saying ‘Ah, but I was only making it up until this game came out….’

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    InAhaze2006 says:

    manhunt 2 should be released, and obviously will be.

    it is a video game once again, and all video games arent for little kids. Since it is rated mature and usually costs around fifty dollars when the games are released, there should be no intentions whatsoever of young kids getting a hold of these games. UNLESSSS their wacked out parents who buy them everything and spoil them decide to buy the game for them. The problem is raising awareness to parents so that they can do their job and watch out for their kids. It is not the job of the judicial system or anybody else in fact to deal with violence in video games and have it prohibited as a whole.

    So grow the fuck up and put on some daddy pants, this is just the beginning of violence in video games.

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    GameClucks says:

    I’ve already played Godfather on the wii.

    Graphics are horrible compared to other consoles, but it is so much more interactive when you grab someone by the collar, slap him in the face a few times, choke him, then throw him into a wall. It’s more… FUN.

    It’s also pretty neat how you open doors and honk the horn in cars.
    Interactive controls are the future of gaming, and stupid neo-luddites who don’t like it, can just not buy it. There is no reason to censor technology just because it represents a new way to entertain ourselves.

    I seriously hope that when retinal displays and thought controls come along in 20 years, we aren’t as closed-minded as today’s grey-haired technophobes.

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    Ken ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wacko Jacko, at it again are we? At least the Wiimote and Nunchuk can finally serve it’s purpose other than playing games: Strangling douchebags who like running their mouths for their own gain.

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    Mottom22 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I like how he goes for manhunt but completly ignored or missed godfather for the wii. it is probably alot of the same thing. you use movements to mimic the movements in the game. although manhunt is more senseless murder, you are working for the mafia in godfather. soooo I can only imagine either he doesn’t know of any other games besides ones made by take two, or he is only after take two because they are in the spotlight and he wants a piece of that. no matter how idiotic and mindless he looks to us, the future (if not already) American generation of voters, he justdoesn’t care as long as he is in the spot light some how.

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    Anon says:

    ManHunt 2 ill admit, seems kinda weird on the wii. HOWEVER, it is a mature game. If little timmy’s parents are RESPONSIBLE parents they wont let him get this. Hell, my parents were strict on me, and i talked to my mom about this today. She agrees with me that politicians are trying to be the big brother when their not suppose to be.

    Then i asked her about the whole heavy metal thing back in the day. She had the same problems that us gamers are having now. So, i think in the next year or so this will blow over just like it did decades ago. Maybe…

    Violent video games thus far have not been a leading factor in school shootings and the like. Politicians fail to care/understand that most of these killers are like this before they even pick up the controller or hold a mouse.

    Parental ignorance and lack of responsibility still holds game rep by the balls unfortunately.

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    Jim says:

    If there ever was a game to hand the video game violence issue over to the liberal or conservative restrictionists, Manhunt 2 is it. The first thing I thought of when I saw that wired nunchuck attachment was that you could suffocate somebody with it . . . and now Rockstar’s making that happen, virtually.

    One thing I am happy about is that the honorable attorney general in this case is stressing the need for parental involvement. It’s the traditional Republican tagline, but I hope he means it.

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    Mysticgamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Jack Thompson does not care about violence any more, it is only because Rockstar is involved that he is forcing it to be a big issue.

    That’s true. There’s dozens of ultra-violent series that JT either doesn’t know about or acknowledge because they’re not Take-Two’s…Condemned, Prey, Black, Resistance: Fall of Man, that Vietnam game game and hundreds more.

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    MachShot says:

    Honestly,wouldn’t we all be more supprized if he was properly informed? This is as credible as that lady from Australia who “Vowed” to look into that crapy VT web game on newgrounds.

    Nintendo is probably glad that they made this desition now. When there is something some part of the government dislikes, people flock to it. GTA would be unknown nowdays if it wernt for the free plubicity. For this, I thank Jack Thompson for giving us Grand Theft Auto.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I suppose it’s like any game, if someone played it non-stop, for weeks on end, there would be cause for concern, but the concern would be for the person, not the game.

    As an example, I’ve been playing FlatOut 2 today, a very fast paced racing game with lots of crashes and explosions etc, not to mention the ‘ragdoll’ games. However, I’m not normally a big player of racing or shooting games, I’m more into strategy and city-building etc, however, there is a theraputic element to being able to virtually race around a track, but the fun of it is the fact that it is something you CAN’T do in real life, that is what Fantasy is all about, if you knew you could do it in real life, why are you paying a company money for a ‘simulation’?

    It’s kind of like saying that Charles Addams is responsible for every single rail collision since the 1930’s because he invented Gomez Addams.

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    Chris says:

    I believe the reason for this game even being released to the Wii is being how everyone says how the Wii is leaning toward younger audiences. This is kind of true. They want more games to attract older or more mature gamers.

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    Chris says:

    The Wii has a parental control system for Wii games. If there are younger children in the household, why not just put a parental lock on the game.

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    Chris says:

    There is a reason for ESRB. If parents don’t want there kids playing violent games, then they shouldn’t buy them. Parents should know if a game is too violent for their child or not anyway. Video games aren’t just for children any more. As Nintendo said before, they are trying to attract all audiences. Why not have games more mature for older audiences. That’s on them for killing someone just because of playing a game. On each system and game it has something on the package about it only being a simulation. It’s not real, it’s only for fun. Health and safety issues are always a concern, especially from Nintendo. If any thing they always are trying to stay away from violence. A person should have the ability to control themselves not to have a murderous intention mind. That means they are sane. This is all tracing back to the Xbox killer. That’s his fault for committing the crime, not Microsoft’s. It’s just like saying that the devil made you do what ever sin you committed. Just to talk a little religion, it’s not the devil that made you make the choice, it was you that let him lead you that way. If you let him lead you in that direction, you’re not following God. This is why we repent for our sins. The devil doesn’t make us do anything. We allow our selves to let him lead us into that direction. This is why the humans are weak. This is why we ask the lord for forgiveness. Let politics say what they want. Politics will always be politics. They will try to change anything they can think of. Next thing they’ll be trying to charge us for oxygen. They already do for other natural resources here on Earth. I believe Nintendo should keep the violence in the game. I know it’s just honest fun because I’m a gamer my self. Parents just need to keep their kids away from violent games that they don’t want to play. There are some parents out there that let their kids play games rated T and M. If they feel they are old enough or mature enough to play these kind of games, then that’s fine. Before you try to change the way of gaming, how about looking at television shows that are being put on the air. See how violent they are and talk to me then about violence. Don’t get me started on movies that are being made. Sex scenes and all. I for one am against the fact of this game being changed. If there is a possibility of this game being changed, just turn every thing into the Classic or Gamecube controllers.

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    Father Time ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    A wii controller can “train” kids just as well as a plastic sword can. Also may I point out there is no way the wii controller can account for the different weights and sizes of whatever you are using in manhunt (be they clubs scissors, chainsaws etc.) making it a very uneefective training tool.

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    Tye the Czar says:

    I praise you, oy. I praise you *pats on the head*. Now just don’t do what one of those characters did as a reaction in When They Cry, oy. :3

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    chadachada ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i do understand how some people wouldnt like the wii version, i personally dont really like it, but it still comes down to the parents doing there job and not letting their kids play games like this, wii or otherwise

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    Tye the Czar says:

    Okay guys, oy. If we are competent enough to complain about issues in a place where our ideas are equal, then we are more than capable of mailing them with our complaints and counter-points, oy. This is all going to repeat without end unless we act now. In one of Jim Hightower’s books, Thieves In high Places he states, that we the people have to take initiative and not just sit here and complain, oy. Just like V for Vendetta and my current favorite anime Code Geass(you all MUST watch it), we need to convince the common folk to join our side. I saw this commercial yesterday by AARP that stated “Divided We Fail” (and has I think a website on it) and we all should work together with the people which we don’t agree with. Remember when Hillary suddenly gave a peace offering to the game industry (after learning her lesson with FEPA) by trying to help with the ESRB to promote ratings awareness, oy. Do I really need to stress all of what I’ve said, oy? DO I?!

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    […] Bill McCollum is his name and concern for violent games is his, um … game. At least, that’s what we’re hearing, as his concerns over the Wii port of Rockstar’s second installment in the “murder simulator” franchise were made clear during an interview (has not aired as of yet) with Fox News reporter Orlando Salinas. His beef? The motion controls, as it’s a safe bet the game will demand players perform the stabbing and slashing motions. […]

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    Yes indeed, not all video games are made for children. And its surprising that people get in such a fit over a few violent games. And when you think about a few violent games is a good way to put it because only about 8% of games were rated M last year. Not to mention the majority of people who play and purchase games are adults. Just because video games are, in my opinion at least, the most interactive form of digital entertainment doesn’t make them more or less dangerous than any other forms of entertainment. Why must others ruin the fun for everyone else. Just because they don’t like words in a song, violence in a game or sex on a video they automatically want to prevent everyone else from getting their hands on it. And to make their desire legitimate they claim its for protecting the children when in fact it is only pushing their own beliefs onto the masses.

    But it terms of Manhunt situation… could be worse. It seems the only think worse than violence is sex, and the only thing worse than that is violent sex on drugs. I don’t think there will be any Wii sex games.(though I think it is actually a good idea) But then again I’ve been wrong before.

    Hey guys! I have a wonderful idea. Lets all write to our government officials and say we wont vote for them unless they start to stand up for the game industry. Then we can give money to the IGDA so they can better defend the game industry. (not to mention they have some good benefits for donating) How about it anyone in? How about you gamepolitics.com How many concerned letters are you sending out to government officials?

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Regarding the Wii controllers being training tools.
    FACTS are once again being ignored. The Wii is not designed to prepare an individual to use weapons or even their own hands as weapons. The Wii controllers do not weigh the same as baseball bats or even pipes. The Wii controllers are not designed as gloves to allow the more direct simulation of hand to hand. (There is actually a coin-op video game of boxing where the “controllers” are boxing gloves. That game is far more designed (and a wonderful exercise) to train a form of hand to hand combat.)

    The Wii controllers do not react to the resistance of a strike against an individual. Even if they vibrate, that isn’t the same as striking an object or person. (Remember the first Superman movie? “Bad vibrations?”)

    The Wii controllers are no more training tools than a PS2 controller is a training tool to fire an AK-47. Where’s the X button on an AK-47 or any gun?

    The FACT is that the claims that the Wii controller are training tools for anything is nothing more than misinformation to dictate a personal, religious, and/or political agenda against other individuals and/or Parents.

    Want another example? Take someone who has never played baseball or held a baseball bat. Let them play baseball on the Wii until they are hitting home runs every time.

    Now take them to a baseball park, hand them a baseball bat, and let’s see how many homeruns they hit without practicing first.

    NW2K Software

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    MCM says:

    Children are NOT suppose to play this games. Actually most games are rated Mature = 17+ (Fatal Frame, Silent Hill) And even thus one time i was in an videogame store and a father bought SH for a girl that was not older that 13.
    Maybe …who knows.. if they release this games parents would actually get the point that when ESRB say MATURE it means MATURE, young adults!!!!!

    i`m 27 yo, i`m been playing this type of games since i`m around 18. And i`m doing fine, have friend, whom i don`t think i should kill or torture. I have a carrier, graduated with high scores from med school. And my fav games are SH, RE and CV… or maybe i did not understood the game, i did not notice that after my free time was done, i was suppose to go a do something really bad/psycho instead of going back to my classes or have fun with my friends.

    Or maybe my parents did it all wrong, and they were suppose to not read the ESRB and buy those games for me when i was a child, and stay away from Mario.

    OK.. i was been sarcastic.(needed that), now:

    1. You don`t want kids to be playing this?? Read the ESBR.
    2. You don`t want your teenager to become a delinquent, you want him/her to have friends and be social, to do something with her/his life, to have goals: Teach him/her some principles, so that when they go out into the world they would be able to buy games, watch horror movies, see some guy selling a “easy” way to live without start thinking that that is the way to go.

    the rules/restrictions of what game should your kids play are out there, is YOUR job to make these are follow.

    3. About adults, or young adults. Do you think that if a adult play this games would decide to quit his/her job and would become a serial killer?? Do you think they would start hitting there wife, stabbing there husband??? Because honestly i don`t.

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    […] Florida Attorney General Looking into Wii Version of Manhunt 2  —  Is Manhunt 2 worse on the Wii?  —  GamePolitics has confirmed via multiple sources that Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum (R) has expressed concern over the impending release of Rockstar’s controversial game on Nintendo’s next-gen console. Source:   GamePolitics.com Author:   GamePolitics Link:   http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/06/florida-attorney… Techmeme permalink […]

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    GameDevMich ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’ve already drafted up an e-mail, which I will also print out and send, for Christ and McCollum. The details are not flames or threats, but a preemptive notification containing helpful information about Manhunt 2, the Wii, and Jack Thompson.

    I highly urge other residents of Florida to get active and do the same. With the upcoming hurricane season, tax payer money should be spent on the important stuff and not be held out for legislation and possible payouts to lawsuits.

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    Deathnote29 says:

    I haven’t heard much fuss over the upcoming wii version of Resident Evil 4 or Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, and they’re both violent and bloody(not quite sure how bad it is compared to Manhunt, I’ve never played it).

    “It is widely anticipated that players will be required to simulate slashing, stabbing or clubbing motions in order to play Manhunt 2 on Nintendo’s popular system.”

    In an article in the June issue of GameInformer
    “If you want to use your knife, you can slash the remote”

    There are other M rated games for the wii, and there will be more. This game is just getting picked on b/c it’s from T2. If I can learn to kill by playing Manhunt, I should be a world champion boxer because I played Wii Sports.

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    Vinzent says:

    “Attorney General Bill McCollum is concerned about any games which may instill violence in children, particularly games that encourage children to engage in violent behavior, even in simulation. He believes it is important to help protect children from influences which may introduce violence into their lives and stresses the importance of parental involvement in the efforts to keep these influences out of our homes and away from our families.”

    In other words, “I want to appear to be against it without opening myself up to First Amendment criticism.”

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    Take into account the cost of developing the motion sensitive controls

    Actually, there are tools now that make implementing motion-sensitive controls as easy as swinging the remote a certain way and recording that movement registration to the computer.

    Still, you’re right about general programming differences.
    Still, (RI)PSP software sells terribly. Wii Manhunt 2 should easily outsell the PSP version.

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    Mairie says:

    “The Wii device does not utilize traditional push button game controllers but instead utilizes hand-held motion capture devices… It is a training device”

    But..but..Jack? Now they are murder simulators? I thought all a murder simulator needs is a mouse and a keyboard…or a vibrating controller for consoles. So instead of a murder simulator..it’s a ..murder simulator now?

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    hilaryduffgta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    am i the ony one who every time i hear crap like this or the anti game laws come around that i want to quote george carlin’s you are all diseased

    “what about the children,help the children,save the children.You know what i say F*** the children”

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    Anonymous says:

    Wonder how Take Two and Rockstar feels about JT harassing them via proxy, ESPECIALLY that “public nuisance” bit. I thought a certain someone had an agreement with those companies not to threaten them with legal action or take part in blocking sales of their games.

    But like with cases involving slander/libel, it wouldn’t surprise me if taking action on this is NOT worth it or it is a sure win case….

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    wiifan says:

    Florida retailers are scheduled to sell a very violent video game called Manhunt 2 which will be available, remarkably, for “play” on the kids-friendly Nintendo Wii gaming platform.”

    1st off when the fuck did nintendo say the wii was a kids console they clearly stated it was to be a mass appeal console appealing to every1 from everytype of gamer from kids to adults
    thats why they have games that run from wii sports to medal of honor to resident evil and to more grusome games like manhunt 2 wii wasnt meant for a child or just adults it was meant to be played by everyone and anyone who found it interstine to play
    “Look if they dont want kids playing this then the stores wont sell it to them, if parents dont want kids playing this then they wont buy it.
    Also so what if nintendo called rockstar to produce more m rated content they have every right to do so this is busy if nintendo whats they console to sell to every consumer then it needs every type of game that appeals to every1.

    anyways what would kids see in this when my little cousin (whos only 6) plays grand theft auto 3 and he goes kill some1 he never thinks of it as a kill or says anything negative about he usaully just says i stopped the mad man but all he likes to do in GTA3 is just drive the cars thats it in manhunt i think he would be to scared to play it just like he doesnt like playing resident evil. manhunt may simulate actions but its a new way to play for consumers who buy this game. My point is that nintendo can establish any games on there console what ever they see fit and they have every right to not establish any game thats not right in there eyes and manhunt is a game nintendo is letting rockstar produce on there wii console.

    VIVA LA REVOLUTION! lol just wanted to say that!

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    Matthew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I had a pretend swordfight when I were a lad. We used sticks to simulate swords. Another time, I distinctly remember lobbing a nonexistant grenade overarm and taking out an imaginary sniper nest.

    – Manhunt is not for kids, but kids pretending to do violent things is hardly new.

    I saw a movie once in which an actor chopped through a wooden bathroom door with a fire axe while pretending to hunt his fake wife.

    – Adults pretending to being (very graphically) violent is hardly new.

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    AgnostoTheo ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Why am I not suprised in the slightest that he’s STILL misrepresenting the FTC report? Someone needs to educate the man on the phrase LIES OF OMISSION.

    If nintendo wants to make games that make a very good (If a bit gruesome) use of the motion sensitive controllers, that’s there perogative. There’s no evidence that this is going to warp the minds of children, and frankly I doubt any of them are going to lose so much touch with reality as to use this as “training” as our dear massacre chaser would suggest. There are nuts out there, but what JT doesn’t seem to get is that 99.9999% of the gaming public are perfectly sane.

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Just as with movies, television, and books, different video games appeal to – and are appropriate for – different audiences.”

    Truer words never spoken, thank you Nintendo, although anyone i nthis debate will cover their ears and go “LALALALAL”

    “Secondly… Jack wants this game declared a public nuisance… isn’t he kinda… banned from doing that, due to the terms of his settlement?”

    It seems Jack wants to use the AG as his own personal blowhorn to get the games banned, otherwise he wouldn’t be encouraging them to do it and would be actively doing it himself.

    On another note, I salute the AG for at least trying to take a good look before crying wolf.

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    […] Bill McCollum is his name and concern for violent games is his, um … game. At least, that’s what we’re hearing, as his concerns over the Wii port of Rockstar’s second installment in the “murder simulator” franchise were made clear during an interview (has not aired as of yet) with Fox News reporter Orlando Salinas. His beef? The motion controls, as it’s a safe bet the game will demand players perform the stabbing and slashing motions. […]

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    Serrenity ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Dragon Bomber

    or decapitating our political opponents in front of a baseball crowd during the seventh inning stretch….

    Actually, this might not be a bad policy to use in Florida … They have too many politicians as it is, including in there the inability to count, and the notorious boredom of baseball games–I’m thinking this idea has very few downsides …


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    PR says:

    I hope this increases the game popularity and it sells extremely well!!! that way more developers will start bringing more mature contents to the wii…

    I sure hope somewhere someone is developing an Adult (AO) X-rated game… the wiimote could be used for so many fun things! lol

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    hilaryduffgta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Attorney General Bill McCollum is concerned about any games which may instill violence in children, particularly games that encourage children to engage in violent behavior, even in simulation. He believes it is important to help protect children from influences which may introduce violence into their lives and stresses the importance of parental involvement in the efforts to keep these influences out of our homes and away from our families”

    Then if thats so he needs to go after the psp version and the ps2 version or he should just keep his mouth shut plain and simple

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    Sane Gamer says:

    This is such nonsense.

    It’s a game to be played by MATURE players – NOT impressionable minors with irresponsible parents.

    The same people playing this are legally allowed to buy guns & ammo and nobody seems that bothered. Virginia Tech taught this country nothing. Seung-Hui Cho would not have killed anyone with a Wiimote…go figure.

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    DragonBomber ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @E. Zachary Knight:

    “That is the Key. Declaring a game a public nuisance does not accomplish this. Let the parents do their job. You can make a public statement about the inappropriateness of the game for kids but that is as far as you should go.”

    I know a certain someone who should be declared a public nuisance (wasting our media bandwidth with his drivel). You would think with the increase in sales after his statements JT would learn a lesson. Did he not learn anything from the sales of Ozzy records, numerous rap records and Marilyn Manson albums after comments from the peanut gallery for nigh of 20 years now? Hell, go back further and you’ll find plenty of examples. His comments may actually be pushing some kids to want the games because they are so notorious. Those braindead parents who are actually giving in to shut them up anyways without any explanation of the content therein are the biggest problem. We all see them at GameStop, Wal-Mart, Fry’s, Best Buy and so forth. I agree.

    JT is actually making Rockstar more money since he’s a walking, talking advertisement though. Such an amusing spectacle. The mental image I always have when I read these newest outcries is a cartooney JT with a mallet trying to whack games as they pop up out of holes. It makes me chuckle when he misses. 😀

    For those who were/are not up on the Wii, there was a LOT of hoopla about the nature of game to come out during its life cycle. Websites, blogs, and online channels (EFNet, Undernet, DALnet, take your pick) were a buzz with the kiddie nature of what was being leaked of the system details and announced games. Longtime fans of Nintendo machines and those-to-be converted who lost the ability to invest in Sega hardware anymore (or wanted whatever box had new games on it), were not very happy. The idea of a kiddie machine with cartoon games drove some of us MAD. Yes, we’d buy the standards like Zelda and Mario, but then what? Adult gamers felt let down by Nintendo and Nintendo was ACTUALLY paying attention. The system comes out and manages to snag not only gamers and collectors, but also casual gamers and kids. Nintendo hit pay dirt but needs adult games to keep some gamers happy. Just like it needs kid games, titles for the whole family, and cheap bargain titles.

    As many others have said in a multitude of ways, this is not some huge crime against society’s moral fabric. This is Nintendo, 1st party, and 3rd party developers giving the gaming public what they want. Youth sales are only one market of the Wii. This is not the Sega Pico for instance. If I had ever seen a shooter on the Pico, then yes there was a problem to address. If I see a “Dora the Dungeon Pain Basement Explorer” game on LeapFrog’s LeapPad I will be the first to call the media. When we start pulling apart criminals in the public square with a 6 pack of beer and some wings, or decapitating our political opponents in front of a baseball crowd during the seventh inning stretch, then I think we have violence issues we need to address as a society. For now, improve ratings as needed and continually educate the consumer. That’s it.

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    Steve T - GTP ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If Manhunt 2 is a “training simulator” with its supposed motion controls then according to Tiger Woods ’07 I must be ready to take the PGA by storm. Or Wii Sports has me set up to win Wimbeldon.

    Really, the motion controls and how into the game you become are based on the individual. I can play tennis standing with full arm swings or while lying on my couch. Zelda is almost completely played sitting down, even in the most intense boss battles, yet I make stabbing, slashing, and slicing motions in that game.

    Perhaps Manhunt 2 will only become realistic to those people who wish to make it realistic. Maybe it will be those with a greater tendancy to anger that will act out and envision every single murderous motion in a precise manner. Yes, it is motion capturing controls, but anyone who has played any Wii game can tell you that the motions only slightly resemble the real-life motions and are far from teaching you how to perform those actions.

    But I guess expecting JT to actually sit down and play a game to give it a proper and HONEST critique is being a bit hopeful. He makes it sound as if the kids are wearing Hollywood style motion capture suits instead of waving around a rectangular piece of plastic.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Oddly enough, Amnesty International issued a statement on the growing face of Censorship in technology, it was mostly about the Internet, but it does make a good example that weak governments are terrified of people forming their own opinions, and often hide behind ‘protecting the public’ as an excuse to do so.


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    Cron-Z ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    (From the article) « Attorney General Bill McCollum is concerned about any games which may instill violence in children, particularly games that encourage children to engage in violent behavior, even in simulation. »

    The thing is the game is not designed or marketed for children. Politicians seem to have problems to dissociate “Game” and “Kids”…

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I didn’t see the Update til after I had finished my previous post, but interestingly enough, my previous post works as a response to the AG office’s comment as well.

    NW2K Software

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    ZippyDSMlee ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    E. Zachary Knight
    because there was no ESRB then and they had to tow the family line hard now with a rating board in place they can focus on other things and let game content evolve, some might not like M and T games but that and molding a ratings board to help guide parents and “protect” kids from undue content is the evolution of the process as a whole.

    games are the new comic’s the dreaded blight on youths I hope the next “dreaded blight on youths ” comes faster because I have a feeling things are goign to get worse before they get any better.

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    Meggie ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Conejo Says:
    i could’ve sworn Thompson was under agreement to NOT do this kind of thing. does this mean he’ll be back in court again some more with R*?

    He himself can’t bring a lawsuit against Manhunt 2, but he can encourage the Attorney General and Governor to take action. He’s free to badmouth it as much as he wants (barring Chris Matthew’s style ownage).

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    From the update:

    “[The Attorney General] stresses the importance of parental involvement in the efforts to keep these influences out of our homes and away from our families.]

    That is the Key. Declaring a game a public nuisance does not accomplish this. Let the parents do their job. You can make a public statement about the inappropriateness of the game for kids but that is as far as you should go.

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    From John Bruce’s letter:

    “The American Psychological Association in 2005 proved the causal nexus between adolescent/ teen play of violent games and increased aggression. Interactive media teach violent behaviors, and that was found to be true before Wii came along. “

    No they haven’t. He just lied to the Governor. But then, that’s not a surprise.

    Oddly enough, there are other genres of media material which TEACH violent attitudes and behaviors. Why isn’t he demanding kids be protected from that? Oh, wait, it’s because it’s his RELIGION that promotes bigotry and hate against whole groups of humans. And, hey, if that leads to violence against individuals in those groups, well, though, ‘cuz it’s his right to teach it. And, hey, if there are kids who commit suicide because they are verbally and mentally abused by other kids who’ve been taught that bigotry and hate? Tough. John Bruce’s God says they should be dead anyway.

    “The Federal Trade Commission has found that 42% of the time retailers will sell ‘Mature-rated” video games to kids under 17. Thus, if Manhunt 2 gets a “Mature” rating (it deserves a much more restrictive “Adults-Only” rating) then it will be sold to minors in our State.”

    Of course, he fails to mention that the FTC has performed similar studies for numerous years and each year, the failure rate drops. Hence, retailers are improving. Hence, he has misinformed the Governor by not telling the WHOLE Truth.

    Also, there is a difference between “will” and “may”. He has NO facts to back up his claim that it ‘will” be sold to minors because it hasn’t happened yet. Nor does he have a comparison as to how many copies were sold to non-minors versus minors. Therefore, his claims are, once again, misleading.

    Also note, his opinion that the game SHOULD receive any rating, M or AO or anything else, is just that: HIS OPINION. While he attempted, and failed, to force his opinion as being the deciding factor as to whether to determine the game Bully as being appropriate or inappropriate for other people’s children, it still comes down to the fact that it is merely HIS OPINION. Florida, let alone the US, is NOT a dictatorship run by the Dictator John Bruce “Jack” Thompson, as much as he wants it to be. Frankly, I believe his religious media should be rated AO for promoting bigotry, hate, and violent attitudes that lead to abuse of all types against others. But that is merely MY OPINION. He should no more have the power to dictate what others find appropriate or inappropriate for there children than anyone else should have the same power against him.

    As to the studies once again touted by him. He continues to fail to state that those studies are incomplete and do not display comparison and contrast to the causes of aggressive feelings. There are a complex set of factors and merely saying “they played violent video games and, look, they felt aggressive”. Even narrowing it down to specific exposures (various genres of video games, books, TV, movies, or physical sport challenges, mental sport challenges, verbal confrontations (such as debates or arguments), or even just witnessing events), you still have many other factors. Type A and Type B personalities, the actual emotion dredged up (anger, frustration, challenged, bored, etc) and other factors which all play a part in creating the apparent aggressive feeling.

    Does a person who is “high strung” who feels they are being cheated in a video game show the exact same “aggressive” scans as someone who is in a heated debate that makes them feel angry over the issue but very capable and challenged and not frustrated? What about the football player who is deep “in the zone” playing, but controls their anger while playing versus some goomba in the stands who’s yelling and screaming that their team isn’t winning and suddenly starts a fight in the stands? What about the chess player who appears calm and collect on the outside but is hyped up because they know, just KNOW, that they’ve got the game in the bag and their opponent can’t see it versus someone who is playing Tetris, at level 95, completely not angry or frustrated, but feeling the heat of the competition as things get outrageously fast and furious?

    No where do you see these comparisons and contrasts. So all those studies that have been done are incomplete and, pretty much, worthless.

    “”Most people, when they stumble across the truth, dust themselves off and move on as if nothing had happened.” Winston Churchill”

    Too bad John Bruce can’t claim to use another famous line, one very famous in his own line of work:
    “…Tell The Truth, The Whole Truth, And Nothing But The Truth…”

    NW2K Software

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    IanC says:

    Heh, Hack missed his chance at maoning about M rated games on the “kid friendly” wii – The Godfather anyone?

    Probably the best version of it too, thanks to the controls.

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    Gameboy says:

    @ CleverConveyence

    Oh, my bad. Thanks for catching that. But my point remains valid. Maybe more so now as PS2 is probably more wide spread than the PS3. If Manhunt 2 was going to be a Wii exclusive game it would do a much better job promoting the Wii as an adult console.

    Think of it like this. The PS2 and PSP versions sell 3 million copies each (this is more than likely understating the number that will be sold but this is an example). However the Wii version sells 1 million copies. Sounds like a decent haul, but from a developer stand point it is not. Take into account the cost of developing the motion sensitive controls and other general differences in programing for the Wii. If the Wii version doesn’t preform, all Nintendo will have done is ensure they won’t see any M rated games for a long time.

    Considering how hot the video game topic is right now, maybe it doing poorly would be better. I’m not saying that the Wii shouldn’t have M rated games, but that right now seems like a bad time for them to come out. With Virgina Tech still fresh in people’s minds and the New York bills still on deck, waiting a year to release these games (at least on the Wii) might be more beneficial to our cause.

    I don’t agree with censorship and have no actual problem with the game coming out, but basic strategy dictates you don’t give your enemy ammo.

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    Trent says:

    Three things.

    1. It is the parents job to police their kids interests. Not the country, state, city, or county is responsible for any of this.
    2. If the parents have done their job properly, the Nintendo Wii has excellent parental controls that if set up correctly, when Johnny 8 year old pops Manhunt 2 in to the Wii, it should not play because it exceeds the rating set up by the parent.
    3. Jack Thompson and Bill McCollum are not mine or your kids Dads. In fact they are both idiots. So this is not their responsibility to police my kids.

    I am a 38 year old employed professional in the IT industry and a parent of 2 kids. I know what my job is. It is to be involved in my kids interests. So apparently you Floridians need help from your local govt. to raise your children?


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    Pawsie says:

    It is a shame that Nintendo warned everyone that the game was not meant for kids. I think it was in March.

    With that being said.. What problem could there be… That kids may play a game that Nintendo don’t want them to play, with a rating that almost prohibit children from purchasing it?

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    Conejo says:

    i could’ve sworn Thompson was under agreement to NOT do this kind of thing. does this mean he’ll be back in court again some more with R*?

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    Not sure having Manhunt 2 alone will work as there will also be a version on the PS3.
    PS2 and PSP, but not PS3. The only next-gen system getting the game is Wii.

    I can’t wait until Hack gets his. Loopholes won’t protect his foolish agenda forever.

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    JC says:

    I don’t see what the concern is. Just b/c you’re picking up a non-blunt object and swinging it around it is suddenly a concern?

    Everyday children will find branches and start swinging around, making “swish” sounds to emulate the idea that they are swinging a sword from these cartoons that display protagonists weilding blades.

    What is the difference if it is in front of the screen? I find it _extremely_ idiotic that because it is on a video game that there is some concern. Kids imitate sword motions, but that doesn’t mean they’ll have the strength to realize that it is dangerous to weild one in actuality nor will they be aware of the damage it can cause.
    How about someone actually teaches their child that you don’t swing things around wildly first, instead of raising “concerns”?

    I guess some people are very stupid to not realize that you teach a child about never swinging a kitchen knife around, before you raise a “concern” about it being used in a video game.

    Even more surprising, is why worry about the game, when it is an M rated game. If you are a parent, then keep your child away from it if you rather not have them try to get their hands on it.

    Anyway, it is a fact that children will pick up a knife, out of curiosity or because they want to imitate something they saw on TV. That’s why you teach children about real things first, than just simply worrying about their video game habits exposing them to it. It is more likely they’ll see it from TV first and/or your own use.

    As some mentioned earlier, Zelda and other games already used stabbing motions and such…. -.-

    Anyway, I think I may have typed too much.

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    Rob says:

    @ Gil

    Yeah, if I recall correctly he claimed that it gave pleasure to the players and promoted them to perform these acts in real life due to the pleasure they received when doing it in the game. Or some sort of crazy nonsense like that that only makes sense in his psychotic head of his.

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    Fojar says:

    And so it begins.

    Personally, I hope Jack takes this to court against Nintendo. Nintendo’s lawyers have a tendancy to absolutely crush anybody who bothers them. It will be amusing to watch JT run away with his tail between his legs.

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    Verbinator ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If the FL AG is investigating a Take Two game, you can bet your bottom dollar that Jack is in the loop somewhere … and thus violating the spirit, if not the letter of his agreement with Take Two.

    Regarding the Wii and it’s controls. Close investigation reveals that the motions used to swing the controller like a tennis racket could be interpreted as swinging a weapon like a sword. The same motion necessary to swing a baseball bat translates to swinging a club-like weapon. Throwing a baseball? Baseballs are similar to grenades. Rolling a bowling ball … grenades again. And pointing a finger in blame? Just like aiming a gun at their heart.

    It’s time to ban EVERYTHING that involves hand motions, ’cause most of them simulate somebody getting hurt.

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    Minshi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    All this worry over Manhunt 2, and yet Godfather: Blackhand Edition came without notice. In that, you already have motions to beat people with blunt objects, beating people with your fists, choking the life out of people, sneaking up behind them and snapping their neck or choking them and gun aiming with the pointer, so why was this game so completely ignored?

    I have my thoughts.
    A) The idea that the inclusion of a knife makes it worse, but that seems very arbitrary.
    B) Being a sequel makes it more attention getting, and no one had any idea what to expect before Godfather’s release.
    C) Jack Thompson does not care about violence any more, it is only because Rockstar is involved that he is forcing it to be a big issue.
    D) It is based off a Movie/Book license, therefore, being a game only comes secondary.
    E) No one actually knows Godfather exists.

    Also, so we see how effective the Thompson agreement is. A loophole that lets him carry on his legal agenda as long as he prods a person into it with his usual overstatements and ignorance, then sit back and nod while saying “Hey, -I- am not taking you to court.” Ah well. I doubt he really cares about the agreement anyways.

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    jonc2006 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i know thompson cant attempt to have the game blocked himself but it wouldnt surprise me if he convinces people to do it for him. while imo the game might not be in the best taste, it still deserves the same protection as any other game out there and shouldnt be alienated just because of the wii’s control system.

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Man, only in Florida. 😛

    Doesn’t surprise me, especially with Jack involved. In fact, it probably would not have shown up on McCollum’s radar at all if Jack hadn’t told him about it. However, if Bully was any indication, a move to delcare it a public nuisance is doomed to failure. Jack is really getting to be a real-life equivalent of Wile E. Coyote or Berg Katse (brownie points to all you old school anime fans if you know who I’m talking about): constantly trying the same tactics each and every time, failing miserably, yet somehow manages to escape or stay alive to come back to try more or less the same thing over and over again.

    It’s also splitting hairs with that legal agreement with Take Two, trying to shift the focus on Nintendo (presumably because of it’s family-friendly perception). However, Take Two would be well within their rights to lay the smack-down on Jack for this. He ought to tread lightly.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Tony

    I never said that. but I do agree. He is not breaking the terms of the settlement as he is asking the Attorney General to make the statements while he sits back a claims support.

    But maybe you are responding to my comments about the interesting developments in the works.

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    Citizen_Snips ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wow, Jack Thompson can’t fight Rockstar anymore so he gets someone else to do it?

    Hey as long they plug their ears and scream “LA LA LA LA” every time Jack tries to give them advice they might actually get something done, scary.

    Either way it was smart of Nintendo to get Rockstar to produce games for the Wii, Sony and Microsoft were already pulling the kiddie card on the Wii even though it was kicking their ass and now even Microsoft is trying to rip off of Nintendo.

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    DoggySpew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah, GamePolitics. Wasn’t Jack Thompson barred for harrasing Take Two games ? Could you contact T2 about that (We know you will not get a civil answer from Jack)

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    Al Wesker says:

    Wii has parental controls. Point that out. Problem solved. Oh, wait, Thompson and others won’t care. Seriously, how much more control can be given to parents? All the control in the world won’t matter if parents won’t exercise it.

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    Bruno says:

    So, I assume that the deal with Take2 and Jack to stop harassing them about GTAIV was only applicable to GTA IV, or did this new attempt of Jack violated the said contractual deal?

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    first off i want to say, with the nunchuk and wiimote is there a better Piano wire assassination simulater imaginable heh

    but seriously i too am glad Nintendo actively persued the game, and i have no intention of buying the game, but should it do well it will help Nintendo get a broader range of games on their system

    @ Zachery Knight, While Thompson himself can’t petition a court to have the game be declared a public nuisence he is allowed to ask other people to do that for him (however thats signifigently harder to do then it sounds as most other lawyers see Jack as a hack and want nothing to do with him)

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    Rob says:

    @ Gameboy

    Bully is actually a decent game, albeit a little on the short side. They, the media and Jack Thompson, really over did it with that game. There really is hardly anything controversial in it at all, I mean no more than your average Teen comedy movie nowadays. I mean before they game even came out they were calling it a “Columbine Simulator” and stupid shit like that. It was just complete bullshit, and the game is extremely tame, especially considering it’s makers. It’s a fun game, and at this point in time would be really worth picking up since it should be selling pretty cheaply now. I personally recommend it.

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    Gameboy says:

    @ E. Zachary Knight

    “It is strange to note that Nintendo has changed a lot since the NES. Then they would stop developers from putting a lot of risque content into games. Now they welcome it.”

    That’s probably because they realize that more people playing video games are older. They also realize they have a reputation as a kids console. They want to attract more adult players.

    Not sure having Manhunt 2 alone will work as there will also be a version on the PS3. This could easily back-fire and make publishers even more afraid to release M rated games on the Wii. Especially with the sudden interest in the game, before its release, in the legal community. I think it’s time for Reggie to tread lightly. And carry a BIG stick.

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    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    My guess is he’ll just express his disgust at the game, and move on. Especially since he’s asking them to broadcast it closer to the release date. He tells parents to be wary, criticizes the company, and that’s the end of it.

    Plus it gives him time to look at the game, realize there’s no pr0n, and see that there’s nothing he can do short of informing parents.

    Of course if he doesn’t, I’ll be very disappointed…

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    MaskedPixelante ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok, first off, yes, I do see Wii as being an FPS console, but they seriously need to work on the controls a little better, that’s why I hope for good things from Metroid Prime 3.

    Secondly… Jack wants this game declared a public nuisance… isn’t he kinda… banned from doing that, due to the terms of his settlement?

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    Dorkmaster Flek says:

    I for one am thrilled that Nintendo actively pursued getting this game on the Wii. I am definitely picking it up, as it is actually a good game, and I want to see the sales do well to encourage other developers to create mature games for the Wii. I think it’s a great platform with perhaps more potential than anything else right now.

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    Gameboy says:

    So this is all speculation at this point, right? No one knows for sure what use they will make of the Wii motion sensitivity, if at all for that matter. Man, someone change the channel. I swear I’ve seen this episode before. And it wasn’t that good the first time.

    I find it interesting that Nintendo actually pursued the game. Still, I think it’ll take more than Manhunt 2 and a few other M rated games to actually make the Wii seem like less of the kiddie console. Not that there aren’t a few Wii games, that I’m interested in. That new Zelda game looks AWESOME!

    @ Keaton2008

    Then….. Don’t play it. It’s that simple. Don’t play it. Don’t buy it for your eight year old. Don’t give Take Two/Rockstar any money. And they won’t make any more games. That’s how things work in a capitalist market-place.

    Personally I don’t have any intention of picking up Manhunt 2. Not because it’s violent or obscene, but because it doesn’t interest me. Sorry, but it doesn’t. Then again, I’m this close to picking up Bully just to kind of stick it to JT and his cronies (despite a lack of interest in actually playing the game).

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    Rob says:

    Well, you make slashing, clubbing, and poking motions in Twilight Princess. Is that too a training simulator?

    People are just way to fucking uptight anymore. If you don’t want your kids playing it, then don’t let them play it, that simple. Retailers have cracked down rather heavily, compared to it’s past efforts anyway, to keep inappropriate video games out of the hands of minors. Hell, even I, a 23 soon 24 year old male with almost a full beard was carded during purchase of a few Mature rated games. Also, if I’m not mistake, Nintendo Wii offers Parental Control to block video games that they deem too mature for their child gamers of the house.

    If you don’t like it, don’t play it. If you don’t approve, don’t play it. If you don’t want your kid playing it, don’t let them play it. But don’t try and stop or ban actual mature adults from playing the game because you have a problem with it.

    They can all kiss my ass, especially “Hack” Thompson. Fuck ’em all.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It will be interesting to see this develop. I have stated before that Manhunt 2 on the Wii will put a whole new meaning to the phrase “murder simulator”

    I for one do not care as I will not buy any game by Rockstar and will not allow my kids to play any of the same. (granted my oldest kid is three and would not be able to grasp the consept of playing any of the games)

    Nintendo is in the right. How do you get more intest in T and M titles being developed for the Wii? You get the most controversial M rated game to date on the console. A brilliant marketing move and if Manhunt 2 sells well there will be a lot more games geard to older teens and adults on the Wii.

    It is strange to note that Nintendo has changed a lot since the NES. Then they would stop developers from putting a lot of risque content into games. Now they welcome it.

    A side note and a little off topic: Is it just me or does anyone else see a much better potential fro FPS games on the Wii as the Wiimote and Nunchuck combo emulates the mouse and Keyboard combo better than the PS3 and 360 controller?

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    Keaton2008 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m actually kinda bugged about Manhunt’s Wii features too.

    I mean, interactivity is one thing but…. come on.

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