LaRouche Followers Continue Video Game Assault at Virginia Tech Hearings

June 7, 2007 -
Far-out political figure Lyndon LaRouche is apparently intent upon linking violent video games to the Virginia Tech massacre.

Last month GamePolitics reported on Virginia Tech Review Panel testimony given by Don Phau, a member of LaRouche's political action committee (see: Violent Games Should be Banned Like Heroin). Phau attended the panel's public meeting in Richmond, the first of several planned around the state.

Now, Joystiq's Kyle Orland reports on testimony given by Larouche Youth Movement leader Paul Mourino (left) at the second Review Panel meeting, held in Blacksburg, where Virginia Tech is located. Among his comments, Mourino referenced game violence critic Dave Grossman and implied a media cover-up by the Washington Post:
In the aftermath of the Columbine High School massacres... Lyndon LaRouche joined such law enforcement experts as Col. David Grossman in demanding action against the manufacturers and distributors of violent point-and-shoot video games...

Cho, the Virginia Tech shooter, is no exception, despite the near total media blackout of his involvement with violent video games, including "Counter-Strike." News organizations like the Washington Post... confirmed his strong attraction to these games. Yet that story never appeared in print, and only accidentally showed up on a blog site associated with that newspaper...

I ran into this phenomenon when I was in middle school. The game "Wolfenstein 3D" was free and was the first killing simulation game on the market....

These video games are creating menticide among the young generation... We also recommend that you shame, fine, or regulate all those private corporations who have participated in these projects. Proper legislation, designed to protect my generation from these games, is needed...

GP: The "near total media blackout" alleged by Mourino ignores several national T.V. news programs which gave Miami attorney Jack Thompson air time to claim that Cho's Counter-strike play led to the massacre as well as substantial play given to the issue in both the gaming and mainstream press.

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It should also be noted that as of 20th May, over 30 British politicians sent a letter to the German authorities basically accusing them of covering up for LaRouche's organisation and requesting that the hearing be re-opened on Jerry Duggan, so expect a lot more of these diversionary tactics from him and his group to try and distract people from the fact.

One question. Where the hell are the people voicing our opinions? Are they not getting invited to these hearings? Is the ESA not taking this garbage seriously?

Why dont these articles carry useful information like, where can I get a free copy of Wolfenstein 3D? I need a good old fashion killing simulator, to add to Counter Strike, BF2, and GTA:SA.

Well, in many ways, believe it or not, it's helping, the Anti-Game bandwagon is starting to resemble a clown-car, filled with misfits, spinning round in circles and making far more noise than progress.

“…the addictive nature of these video-games, their role in creating student killers, and the fact that this brainwashing has been done deliberately.”

Just for fun let’s say that video games are addictive, do turn kids into killers, and game companies are developing and selling these games with the specific intent to cause children to kill other people.

The question remains: Why the hell would they do that? What could possibly be their motivation for doing so? What’s in it for them?


Andrew Eisen

Duh, complete world domination. Imagine millions of 17 year old soldiers going on complete rampages. There is a good chance the Queen of England is on it, too. The videogame industry is taking over the world for the British Empire.

America is in a state of emergency. This and everything else revolving around video games is proof. Paris Hilton and Lohan and all of them are proof.

America was once a great nation and now look at us a sad shadow of where we were.

We've become a society where noone needs to ever face the blame for something they do. Where the blame has to be on something else other than a mental illness poor childhood lack of parenting.

A society where a fast food chain gets sued for selling fast food to people who willingly buy them. Where criminals can make millions off of book rights to their murder sprees.

American society is failing. These are the people helping to wreck this country. Folks like JT these idiots.

I love this country. Just saddens me greatly to see that for every 10 steps we take forward we take 100 back.

@Serenity
I disagree -- I think serious harm could from sending an ESA rep to those hearings, because that could be taken as a tacit acknowledgment that games may have had something to do with the massacre after all. According to all documentation I've found, the panel has no specific interest in video games or media politics. The LaRouche propagandists, as they themselves boast, are the only ones contending or debating the influence of games at these hearings, and I do not believe anyone on the panel asked for their opinions in the first place.

@Vinzent
Perhaps that it is "garbage" is exactly the reason it's NOT being taken seriously by the ESA.

@Stinking Kevin

Or it could be seen just as the ESA making a good Faith move. It would really be up the eyes of the beholder, much like it is here. Both could become the dominant points of view depending on how ESA PR plays the situation.

So I would agree that serious harm *could* come from sending an ESA rep there. As to would it? I have a bit of faith in the ESA PR team to spin it in a way that our movement would be a good faith gesture as opposed to damage control.

I would put money that the ESA is having this exact same debate that we are right now ....

@Stinking Kevin

Whether they respond at the hearing is not the point. The fact that they have made no effort to say anything is what is wrong. The ESA should do something to inform the panelists that LaRouche have no valid points and that their arguments are misleading.

Washington Post was the only media outlet to report that Cho used to play CS. The other ones just jumped on it...

I don't think we need an ESA representative, just send any regular Joe to laugh at their beliefs. It'd say something as to how important their radical ideas are to the commonwealth of society.

Well, LaRouche's camp has been doing this for years, and most of their statements are unresearched, and very widespread. They don't just hate what are usually considered "violent video games" because they consider every video game violent. In 2002 in an email statement, LaRouche claimed Pokemon was being used to brainwash small children. Stranger yet, they claim this is all a plot by Dick Cheney, even though many of the games they reference were created before Cheney was in office, like CounterStrike or Wolfenstien.

The problem I have with this sort of unresearched drivel is that, like many before me have stated, the video game industry does not try to dispute it. Some sort of counterpoint should be made by the industry in a public forum, because next to nothing is ever said by ANY representatives of the game industry.

But then again, even if they did, people like LaRouche's followers would then harp on them as part of some sort of conspiracy, involving Microsoft and our current presidential administration. And they're not the first. Assaults on so-called "violent" video games have been documented as far back as the 1970s. Needless to say, however, I'm still shocked by the kind of nonsense that people claim is the truth about the games I play, and I often find myself very insulted by what antigaming activists call the gaming community.

@Andrew Eisen:

Just for fun let’s say that video games are addictive, do turn kids into killers, and game companies are developing and selling these games with the specific intent to cause children to kill other people.

The question remains: Why the hell would they do that? What could possibly be their motivation for doing so? What’s in it for them?


World domination. They are making armies of pre-programmed killing machines to overthrow the free world. Didn't you miss the memo?

Hello,
Has anyone actually considered the substantial issues being posed by the LaRouche movement, regarding the larger cultural/political context in which violent video games have been developed and promoted?

Despite what a lot of the vitriolic responses on this forum seem to indicate, our position can't simply be reduced to "video games are evil." Often, the easiest way to obscure an issue is to ignore or distort the real terms of discussion.

There are plenty of other sites that slander LaRouche. It would be far more interesting here to deal with the merits of his actual arguments on the subject of video game violence.

LaRoucheYouthMember,

I admit, I haven’t visited the LaRouche webpage. All I’ve heard are the testimonies by Phau and Mourino. Frankly, I haven’t been impressed by the statements of either. Both demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of video games and the industry. Additionally, both seem to be behind ineffective (not to mention unconstitutional) solutions to nonexistent problems.

“It would be far more interesting here to deal with the merits of his actual arguments on the subject of video game violence.”

I agree but thus far I’ve seen no arguments with merit. Just the typical misinformed, stereotyping blather. Maybe Phau and Mourino aren’t doing the LaRouche group due service?


Andrew Eisen

LaRoucheYouthMember,

Maybe it's because it is very difficult to take an organisation such as yours seriously when it uses misinfiormation, prejudice and lies to promote itself? Or did you not think you were tarring yourself with the same brush when you joined the movement?

You talk of 'deeper issues', but like so many anti-gamers, you fail completely to identify these 'deeper issues' you are talking of, so instead you try to blur the meaning and just so 'oh, they are just generally bad things, and you should think about that.'

What is there to think about? Your leader made a statement based on misinformation, misquotation and downright fabrication, you expect me to stop and think about a pile of shite like that?

The reason there are so many LaRouche hating sites is because of the way you behave and discriminate, you ask us to stop and think about games, why not stop and think about the attitude towards the very society you are a member of?

So much for serious debate. Why do people not refute this guy? Fact is that Cho became psychotic, he learned to fire guns, learned to be a killer and the evidence all points towards these games. Now while I am happy to go through the evidence, I would like people to address what they have read, and also try to refute it for themselves, then and only then write a reply.

Keep your keyboards clean guys.

No, the evidence doesn't even remotely point towards these games, the only 'evidence' that exists is that he played computer games just like 30 million other people who don't lose it and go round shooting people.

Let's make this perfectly clear for all of you that don't understand.

There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, anywhere, in any way, shape or form that even suggests that Cho was influenced by computer games. The whole thing rose from ONE comment in ONE newspaper that got removed because of irrelevency. NO other newspaper reported on Counter-Strike, and Cho's own room-mate stated he had never seen Cho play games.

You see, it's this kind of misinformation that gets places like the LaRouche institution the reputation it has.

@LaRoucheYouthMember
"Often, the easiest way to obscure an issue is to ignore or distort the real terms of discussion."

The poeple who speak for your group, such as Phau and Mourino, should practice what you preach. So far, both of them in their testimonies have both showed a great amount of ignorance, twisted and exagerated facts, and outright made stuff up in order to make their points.

For instance in this article... You member talks about a media blackout to cover up Cho's video game playing habits. This statement is utterly ridiculous. First off, not once in the past has the media ever covered up video game involvement, in fact, they have always done the opposite, they exploit the video game involvemnt because it makes good for sensastional news; The washington post, which i believe is more of a conservative news outlit, in particualr has never held back on reporting about video games. why would they suddenly start covering it up now. Futharmore, poeple like Jack Thompson, Dave Grossman, and Dr.Phill have all managed to speak out against games in reguards to V-tech, all during this suposed media Blackout (even though they have no evidence to back up their claims that Cho had any recent game involvement)...

The media isn't covering up anything, they merely reporting what is relevent. Why did the Washington Post edit their article? because they realized that the infromation they got was not relevent to V-tech. The washington post found out that Cho played counterstrike back when he was in high school; however that was 5 years ago... i'd also liek to poitn out that when talking about Cho, poeple from his past mention ihs hobby of often playing basketball outside much more than his video game habits (leads me to think that even though he played them from time to tiem, he wasn't much of a gamer)... There is also the FACT that cho's roomate in college has stated that Cho did NOT play video games; he spent most of his time writing and occassionally watching Wrestling and game shows. In addition, the police reports mention absolutly nothing about Cho owning any video games. All evidence points to that Cho stopped playing video games after leaving for college. The washington Post reliazed this and so edited the article because playing video games is only relevent if it's is recent. This is also why the rest of the media has not been talking about Cho's video game habits, because there is NO evidence that he had any current video game habits. He left his game playing behind.

So far, those who have spokenout in the name of your organization have shown themselves to be completly bias is this matter, not willing to considering the agruements for video games and actively, misquote and exagerate information in order to make things seem FAR worse then they are. They love to point out the poeple who speak out against violent video games, but do not pay any attention to those who speak in favor of them(experts who are not in the video game buisness, but researchers in their own right), Many of us has had plenty of time to read both sides of the argument. Many things don't makes sense and other things do. The anti game studies in particualr are either flawed, or have their findings exagerated... Heh, one vidoe game study was applied to the holy bible, and the study came out with similar results... now, either the holy bible is just as bad as video games, both studies are not as bad as some poeple like to make them seem, or both studies are just plain flawed (i go with one of the latter two)...

Those who speak out in the name of your group have shown themselves as the type of poeple who would misquote, misinform, make up conspricay theories on to make their point (media blackout...) and outright lie... Last i checked, when their really is a problem that needs to be solved, such tactics are not nessasary, as their would be more then enough evidence to prove their claims... There's a reaosn why there are so-many poeple speak out against your group

@Jesus Christ

"So much for serious debate. Why do people not refute this guy? Fact is that Cho became psychotic, he learned to fire guns, learned to be a killer and the evidence all points towards these games. Now while I am happy to go through the evidence, I would like people to address what they have read, and also try to refute it for themselves, then and only then write a reply."

you might actually want to go into that "evidence", because last i chekc their was NONE.
if i recall... Cho has had a long history of cutting himself from others, even in childhood... He played countersrike in high school (5 years before the incident)... HIs family mentions his basketball playing hobby FAR more than his video game playing... Cho's roomate as stated that Cho did NOT play violent games in college (current information)... Cho was in a mental facility several months to a year before the incident... Cho bought his guns and went to a shooting range to train... There are numberous things that point out the hatred that Cho had... police reports mentiong NOTHING about vidoe games when searching his room

really, there is no evidence point to that violent vidoe games had any influence... all evdence points to other elemnts in his life being at fault for how he turned out... there's a reaosn why in past incidents, FBI and Police studies had found dozens of reasons why those kids turn out liek they do (vidoe games usually being either very low on the list, and sometimes absent)

The reason I get annoyed is because I feel like I'm doing these people's thinking for them. I have better things to do with my life than try to offset some of the ignorance from people who obviously haven't spent 5 minutes researching the very subject they are making accusations about.

I always find it funny how these people arrive on here say 'How come you don't debate our really poor and ill-informed statements with consideration for the idea they might be true?' and then the moment we start pointing out why we don't consider them to be true, we get answered by silence... it's very telling.

It's very interesting that the anti-video activists and their ilk need to lie outrageously to make their case. Shows me that they do not have any case at all.

@Kevin

I guess I didn't explain what I meant, so I don't mind if it seemed to you that ti was rather rude.

For clarification, What I meant was this, I think one of the major problems that currently exsists in government is that it's age discrimnatory already. It's well documented that only people over a certain age can run for office, and a result, only older, and as you put it, in many cases White, Straight males wind up in office.

I'm not so much upset about them being old, what I Loathe is the lack of balance thats been created as a result. Part of the problem I think is that there to many old Foagies in office and theres no younger members to balance them out.

Thats just my opinion, but the last 20 years seem to indicated that I'm not far of the mark given some of th stupidity the last generation has led us into eh, speciall the clinton/bush years.

Sorry if that comes out wrong, but I just think it's bad for a country that is so diverse in age, race, and sexual orintation to have such a like of power in it's government.

Actually for a brief moment, I thought those two were pretty brave to come onto this site and actually try to pass off the LYM's activities as meaningful. But then, I realized that without any ammunition for a real argument, in this case bravery = stupid.

@LaRoucheYouthMember:

"There are plenty of other sites that slander LaRouche."

I think "bash" would be a more appropriate word. "Slander" implies that the things being said aren't true.

@Jesus Christ:

What alternate dimension are you getting this evidence from?

@GoodRobotUs

indeed... is very rare for me to talk like that, but the thigns that need to be said or so damn obvious that you'd have to be bling not to see them. You can very easily tell when poeple are being ignorant and only listening to one side f the arguement. One of the good things about this site is that, even if it has some bias towards video games, it still reports BOTH sides of the arguement, and links the orginal source material, thus allowing us to make a complete and informed decision... I mean, looking at most of the anti-game sites, you can see them reporting mostly on the anti-game information and don't seem to mention much of antyhing that challenges them... it's completely one sided

@HandofCrom

Exactly one of the things i've been saying... If there truely was a serious problem being caused by something, and something really did need to be done about it, then there would be more then enough concrete facts to prove it... Poeple would not need to resort to using misquotes, exagerations and bold assumptions to make their claim... and as courts have found when rulling on game laws, the evidence behind antigamers is just plain weak... if evidcne was as strong and as horrible as they say it is, they would have probably have what they needed to make violent games unprotected speech; but no, evidence is weak... the evidnce just doesn't add up to what they claim.

not many poeple would go as far to say the violent games have no effect on people (afterall, everything has some effect on poeple)... but it's certainly not nearly as horrible as most anti game poeple like to think...

Wow, guys. This is just too fun when we get to argue post-to-post with people with very little to zero knowledge of what they're up against and how they're making a pea shooter look like a BFG or a Knightmare Frame, oy. Let's start "inviting" more people with these views into our deathtrap of turning their happy innocence into bitter experience, oy.

I still think it's rather funny that Mourino, of all the games he could have singled out as being 'killing simulators' had to decide to attack one that involved shooting Nazis.....

I *still* find it strange that in all of this, iD software is rarely mentioned. Aren't they the evil, evil men seducing our children with satan's killing games?

(to clarify that last post, I mean, literally, mentions of "iD software", "John Carmack", "Todd Hollenshead", etc... maybe they think that lucifer himself is behind these games?)

I don't think anyone has yet taken up the question of the role of the transformation of the military that was concurrent with the transformation of the economy to a globalized, largely fantasy/entertainment based economy over the last 30 years. This is what I mean by the cultural/political context for the pattern of ultra-violent school shootings of the type we saw at Virginia Tech. Is anybody here worried about the implications of this for the younger generation?

@ LArouche youth

Oh Would you shut up already. We've been over this, we debunked your garbage theories time and again. Beat it already, were tied of having to to debunk the same bullshit conspiracy theory over and over.

@LaRoucheYouthMember: Hasn't the transformation of the economy into something more entertainment based happened over a much longer period? You can trace it back at least the invention of radio and more accurately to the concept of the popular novel, which dates back well over 150 years. Just because two things happen at the same time, doesn't mean they're directly connected. You might as well try to link the popularity of the DVD format with rising dairy prices. It took some thinking to come up with a comparison more ridicuouls than the one I was trying to refute. And even if they are indirectly related (changes to the military and to pop culture are both largely pushed by technology), it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.

They were writing romantic poetry in the 16th century that involved blood, and a hell of a lot of it, this 'transformation' is not new, and is not even 'real', it's like saying the Christianity only took off after the Caxton Press was invented.

School shootings have been going on in the US for over 100 years, in that time, as well as computer games and Video Media we have also learned how to make headache tablets and built the Ford Mustang, does that mean these have a part to play in the downfall of society as well?

The implication for a younger generation is that Parenting is a Parent's job, you talk about the rise in violence, I talk about the increase in crime, and I don't mean crimes commited, I mean crimes that exist. 50 years ago, beating your son with a wooden paddle was considered discipline, now, it is a felony. You want to ask why the number of criminals has gone up lately? Look at how the number of crimes it is possible to commit has increased.

There is no 'sociological trend' toward violence, that's propoganda from those who would limit the Freedom of Speech, there is better and more thorough reporting, there is a larger umbrella for criminals to be convicted under, but whatever is causing the increase in school shootings is not 'thing' related, there is a far deeper problem there that pointing fingers and trying to tell the country that created Mark Twain that 'fantasy based media' is a recent phenonemon, or a bad one.

I seem to recall precisely these same prejudices and fear arising about Dungeons and Dragons, Comic Books and a whole plethora of other 'New Media', it's technophobia, pure and simple, people are afraid of what is 'new and different' and try to create scape goats to blame their fears on.

@LaRoucheYouthMember

What exactly does the "transformation of the military" have to do with games? If you're talking about military simulators, then you're exagerating things. The majority of individual soldiers still engage in live-fire exercises for combat training. Now, simulators used by the minority of soldiers aren't made to desentize them to killing or make them better killers, as Dave Grossman and the like insist. The stated objective of these simulators, from Marine Doom to America's Army, has simply been to emphasize the importance of teamwork, and it has never been proven that they have any greater effect. In fact, Dave Grossman's theories have been debunked time and time again. Here's one example: http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html (Skip to #5).

Now, your point about a more global economy is an interesting one. We do know that many violent video games your organization has condemned are played by countless people in many different countries, including the U.K., France, and Japan. Yet despite the fact that millions of people play video games (69% of American households, according to the ESA: http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php), only a few people go out and murder dozens of people, most of them in the U.S. If anything, globalization may make a good case AGAINST the theory that games make people violent.

Thus, even in the context you present, the argument that video games are behind school shootings like at VTech still falls apart.

Now, there may be deeper cultural/social reasons for why these kind of things happen. However, video games are not one of them.

I would just like to add to Terminator44's point about globalization. If you follow the crime rates of these nations, you'll notice there has actually been a sharp decline in youth-based violence over the last decade. Japan is especially well known for its current lack of violence over the last few decades, and despite a few problems that have occurred in the last few months related to organized crime, the nation that currently houses the companies that produce a large percentage of games is extremely peaceful and lacks a real military force.

FYI folks.

"Jesus Christ" is an internet TROLL.

His link is good enough as an indication.

It links to that stupid "BadgerBadger" flash.

I didn't even mention the military side of the comment for the simple fact that simply writing a paragraph with lots of 'long words' and a blurry meaning in it does not constitute research. LaRoucheYouthMember is going to have to do better than that, and actually go and find out for themselves.

@LaRoucheYouthMember
I guess we may as well be thankful you're not asking for monetary donations...

I strongly believe a strong spike in video games with adult content is needed. Maybe one of them will make their brains explode. Prepare for mind explosion.

Alright, I gave your side a fair chance, I'm browsing through your some of your websites. Let me do some reading... I'll tell you what you think. Garbage. I'm happy LaRouche was never elected president. I'd pick George W. Bush over him any day of the week. And oh how I hate that monkey man.

After doing even more research I can confidently tell you that I actually feel better about having George W. Bush in office. I'm sorry you've been brainwashed and sucked into that cult but its a youth cult so there is still time for you to seek help.

Is this all that democrats have to offer? Are you kidding me. I once thought you were a group of politicians looking after our freedoms and protecting the constitution. This country is screwed. Should make for fun news and political scandals. But then again the good news is Lyndon LaRouche was born in 1922 which means he is almost 85. His life is coming to an end.(oh what a celebration it shall be) Its sad he is burning these terrible lies and ideas into the brains of youth, but at least thats all we will have to remember him by after he passes.

I know what your thinking, "thats a terrible thing to say." Well I suppose if you don't understand dying is a part of life and everyone does it well then I guess thats understandable for you to think that. And don't you think LaRouche would rather people be happy after his death rather than sad? I certainly know that my last wish will be for people not to be upset over my death. And I've always been taught to treat others how you wish to be treated yourself so there you go. Celebrate death, its natural.

Here is a nice piece of poetry I've encountered once before, I dedicate this to Lyndon LaRouche.

Stormtroopers of Death - Kill yourself

I strongly believe a strong spike in video games with adult content is needed. Maybe one of them will make their brains explode. Prepare for mind explosion.

Alright, I gave your side a fair chance, I'm browsing through your some of your websites. Let me do some reading... I'll tell you what you think. Garbage. I'm happy LaRouche was never elected president. I'd pick George W. Bush over him any day of the week. And oh how I hate that monkey man.

After doing even more research I can confidently tell you that I actually feel better about having George W. Bush in office. I'm sorry you've been brainwashed and sucked into that cult but its a youth cult so there is still time for you to seek help.

Is this all that democrats have to offer? Are you kidding me. I once thought you were a group of politicians looking after our freedoms and protecting the constitution. This country is screwed. Should make for fun news and political scandals. But then again the good news is Lyndon LaRouche was born in 1922 which means he is almost 85. His life is coming to an end.(oh what a celebration it shall be) Its sad he is burning these terrible lies and ideas into the brains of youth, but at least thats all we will have to remember him by after he passes.

I know what your thinking, "thats a terrible thing to say." Well I suppose if you don't understand dying is a part of life and everyone does it well then I guess thats understandable for you to think that. And don't you think LaRouche would rather people be happy after his death rather than sad? I certainly know that my last wish will be for people not to be upset over my death. And I've always been taught to treat others how you wish to be treated yourself so there you go. Celebrate death, its natural.

Here is a nice piece of poetry I've encountered once before, I dedicate this to Lyndon LaRouche. And how about the LaRouche Youth take a good listen as well as Mr Jack Thompson

Stormtroopers of Death - Kill yourself

Can't take it, never could
Time to end it, wish you would
Friends and family, they're all gone
Life for you is just a con
Dig yourself a hole in the ground
Push up daisies six feet down
Take a dirt nap, buy the farm
Inject a bubble in your arm

Kill yourself, kill yourself
Why don't you kill yourself

Don't rely on no one else
End it all just kill yourself

Life is just a one way ticket
Everyone must go around
Here's a bucket go and kick it
Slit your wrists without a sound
When you go don't make a big deal
No dramatics, don't overplay
Cause don't you know that we'll all feel
Better once you've gone away

Kill yourself, kill yourself
Why don't you kill yourself

Don't rely on no one else
End it all just kill yourself now

You're a loser, there's nothing left for you
A worthless loser, at everything you do

@LordCovamus

JT isn't so bad. The real reason he's doing all this "violent videogame" angle is because he just wants attention. I mean, he wants to go out witha bang and all. Compared to Larouche who's doing this because he wants to get elected so he gets his sharped toungued youth minions to forge up wild conspiracy theory so that he gets the power to do what he wants to America.

Heck, when questioned, Jack said that he wants nothing to do with them.

@LaRoucheYouthMember :

You said :

"Despite what a lot of the vitriolic responses on this forum seem to indicate, our position can’t simply be reduced to “video games are evil.”

O RLY ?

What about EIR's recent issue (Volume 33, Number 22, June 1, 2007), you have an article written by LaRouche and entitled : "Video Games Produce Killer Zombies" ?
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/2007/eirtoc_3422.html

What about this quote : "LaRouche has called the promotion of video games 'a crime against humanity.' It is not a social problem, 'it's a Nuremberg crime!'" ?
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/05/23/VT_panel.shtml

What about this article title, "The Age: 'Video Games Destroying US Military'" about an opinion paper in Australian journal "The Age", that never said, nor suggested, such a thing ?
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/03/video_games_de...

And finally, what about the Larouchites' systematic use of the adjectives "fascist", "nazi" or "satanic" for anything you don't like ? The "satanic roots of rock'n'roll" ? The "satanic" mind of Gerard Jones, author of "Killing Mosnters" ? The "satanic" "violent" video games ? The "satanic" role-playing game "Dungeons and Dragons" ? The "pro-satanic" philosophy of Al Gore ?

So I think that "video games are evil" sums up Larouche's position quite well.

I feel sorry for these people, what a poor excuse for human beings. I mean really, why not take the blame on that South Korean serial killer instead of taking blame on video games???

Maybe Friedrich Nietzsche was right, people nowadays are more grown to telling lies and making false beliefs and to attract false followers which sums it all, "blind following the blind".

To LaRoucheYouthMember,

Most of the time I would let people keep to their opinions to themselves and keep quiet, but after I saw this stupid follower's comment, I think that enough is enough.

What makes you think that games are violent, is it because that you heard Jack Thompson's lies or just trying to protect the stupid generation, the teens? Perhaps you and your anti-game cronies should be worried about terrorism that is happening around the world which is not a myth unlike your false theories.

I seriously feel sorry for you, your parents for many years have been trying so hard to earn money and raise you for better future, yet you repay them by selling your false stories to people and join the group that you shouldn't join? I am seriously appalled by these choices you had made, I am very sure that your parents must be sad too, that their own son has joined a group of discourteous people and be a false preacher to preach the wrong words to the public.

At the end of the day, you should wise up, clear your foul brain and start thinking straight, banning video games is not going to help the world and is not going to stop violence from happening. The terrorist attacks is now happening and the best for us to do is to give up our anti-game thoughts and start thinking about the future. If you don't like this/that game, shut your bloody mouth and don't buy it since you think that games corrupts your own mind. And tell this to your pathetic cult leader LaRouche, "We like to do what we want, and if you don't like it, then shut your mouth".

Oh, if you haven't read them yet, here are my sources for last paragraph :

The "satanic roots of rock'n'roll" according to Larouchite Don Phau :
http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/satanrocks.htm

The "satanic" mind of Gerard Jones (author of "Killing Monsters") according to the same Don Phau (pages 68-69) :
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2002/eirv29/eirv29n40.pdf

The "satanic" "violent" video games according to Helga Zepp-LaRouche :
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/hzl_banviol_502.html
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/2000/feb_hzl.html

The "satanic" role-playing game "Dungeons & Dragons" according to Lyndon LaRouche and other Larouchites (also mentions "satanic" video games) :
http://www.skepticfiles.org/xhate/larouche.htm
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/video2.htm
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/children_watching.html

And finally the "pro-Satanic" philosophy of "same ol' fascist" Al Gore, according to LarouchePAC :
http://www.larouchepac.com/

@laroucheouthmember
yes the military does use simulators for the express purpose of training soldier how to handle vehicles like airplanes and tank without destroying the vehicles and killing pilots and crew, see in order to properly use tanks and planes ( that is not just as a unit but to supprt the whole military, it takes alot of practice. and the situtaions they will face cannot be safely reinacted in real life, but in a simulator we can have enemy formations pop up where we want them to train soldiers {yes im using soldier as a generaic term for all military personnel} how to deal with situtations to not only save their own lives but the lives of the other soldiers who fight along side them. war never has been a game, sun tzu says that war is deception. and soldiers must practice this to come home alive. the soldiers jo is not to die for his country but to make the enemy die for his

jo should say job i also vote for an edit button (but i could see how it could be misused without some form of password control)

i would really like to get some military personnel to talk a bit more about the training simulators (if any of them visit this board) so that someone who actually knows about the trainers can tell me if i have my facts straight or if im totally wrong

You know what fellow gamers? I nominate LaRouche for Keith Olbermann's Worst Person of the Year award.
 
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