Jack Attack on GamePolitics, Part 2: Game Industry Stooge

July 21, 2007 -
(Part 2 of 4)

Game-hatin' attorney Jack Thompson went verbally medieval on GamePolitics in an interview with the obscure PopZart site last week. 

In my third year of running GamePolitics, I've grown accustomed to Thompson's criticism, but this attack was remarkably personal in nature, so I feel called upon to respond. Part one of my riposte may be found here. Part two follows:
JT: the worst example of [a game industry stooge] is GamePolitics and its owner Dennis McCauley.  McCauley is now an operative for Hal Halpin's ECA, so the curtain behind which this Wizard of Odd, Mr. McCauley, has been rent asunder.  McCauley has pretended, mightily, to be a journalist.  He is not.  He does put out a lot of information, some of it correct, about what is going on in the gaming world and industry.  I commend him for that.  He does a better job than most.

GP: Interesting... In a single paragraph, Thompson pegs me as both "the worst example" and doing "a better job than most." Go figure... As for being an "operative," gee, it sounds so very Splinter Cell-ish...


As far as the ECA goes, I think GP readers already know that the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA) is NOT a game industry organization, despite Thompson's efforts to paint it that way. The ECA receives zero funding from the game industry, and wouldn't accept game industry money if it was offered. Hal Halpin has been very clear about that. Membership fees paid by gamer-members drive the ECA. Personally, I've always made it very clear that I have no connection to the industry. My record reinforces it.


To put it bluntly, I've pissed off a number of people in the game business over the years - Take Two people, ESRB people, ESA people, and more. I'm kind of proud of that fact, actually. As a journalist, when you're simultaneously angering Jack Thompson and Paul Eibeler, you know you're playing it right down the middle.


What's more, even a cursory glance at GamePolitics illustrates that Thompson's comments are dead wrong. In the past few weeks alone we've been all over Microsoft concerning the Xbox 360 red rings issue because A.) they deserve it and B.) it's an issue that's very important to game consumers. At other times we've taken Sony to task when they tried to bully Kotaku. We ripped inept former Take Two CEO Paul Eibeler on a regular basis.   It's all in the GP record.


Oh, and don't forget that GP made its journalistic bones by breaking the Hot Coffee story in 2005. That little episode cost T2 close to $30 million and still reverberates through the business. Our person of the year for 2005 was Leland Yee, architect of the California video game law - not because we thought the law was a good idea, but because Yee was so skillful in maneuvering it to passage. By the way, can you guess which publicity hound complained about not being selected?


So, GP as a game industry stooge? I don't think so. We're after the truth here, wherever it leads us.



JT: McCauley gets money from the very industry that he is supposedly "fairly" reporting about.  Look at his ads.  Look at his now formal ECA affiliation.  I get money, by the way, from nobody, nor have I ever accepted any in my twenty years of fighting the entertainment industry's marketing and sale of adult entertainment to children.  I'm clean.  These sites are not.

GP: What money from the video game industry? I work for the ECA. Once again, and I'll say it slowly this time, Jack. The ECA is a consumer group. We fight for gamers. 

Ads? What ads?  Prior to the ECA acquisition we had small Amazon and Commission Junction affiliate ads for things like games, books, DVDs and T-shirts. I personally selected and posted the ads. Never - as in not ever - did we have an ad paid for by a video game company.

Currently there are some issue-oriented banners - but nothing to buy - on the front page of GP that I picked myself because they are relevant to what we cover. We've also got links to every major - and several minor - video game watchdog organizations on the front page. My goal with GamePolitics is to be a comprehensive, one-stop shopping resource for information related to the politics of video games whether you're a gamer, a game company executive, a political staffer or an activist.

On the other hand, may I ask, Jack, how much you expect to receive from your video game debate tour? $3,000 per appearance, wasn't it? May I ask how much your combined lawsuits against the video game industry in Alabama and New Mexico are seeking? $1.2 billion, isn't it? That works out to a pretty hefty legal fee...

GP: Thompson’s attack on GamePolitics was extensive. So is our reply. Look for Part 3 soon…

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Re: Jack Attack on GamePolitics, Part 2: Game Industry Stooge

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@Gamepolitics,

I remember reading in an issue of Gamepro that R*/TTwo blamed the mod community for uncovering it, but not for Hot Coffee itself.

@Dan Olson - HC was a big, big story.

Not everyone likes it, but T2 & Rockstar badly misplayed what happened. They went to ground and lied. They could have saved themselves and the industry a lot of trouble.

They tried to blame it on their biggest fans, the mod community, which is indefensible.

@Erik
[Adult Swim] made one, 5 minutes to kill yourself, :p

"you know it really is a shame that i lost the email where he told me to go play a suicide game and get real good at it…."


Well he said that because he has this problem separating fantasy and fiction from reality. Therefore he think if you play a game involving suicide you will be forced to do so in real life.

So yes, Jack if you can point us in the direction of a suicide game I will get good at it. But guess what? Even if I get good at a suicide game I will remain alive and supporting the ECA long after you are eating pudding in a rest home.

Hey Jack, has it ever occurred to you that most people who watch porn than playing or watching violent ghostly movies or games are more prone to violence? And has it ever occurred to you that everyone knows that you are nothing but a lying dirtbag? Here's a quote from Die Hard series,

"Yippie Ki Yay, Motherfucker"

you know it really is a shame that i lost the email where he told me to go play a suicide game and get real good at it....

damn loser

Score at this Juncture:

GP- 30
JT- 0

I award points based on truthfullness, style and Proper Punctuation.

GP is absolutely roasting Jack Thompson.

I think if its JT that has been posting on the GP comments he is confusing some of our comments with articles written by Dennis. Its pretty irresponsible that he is allowed to do this. Jack is just acting irresponsible and foolish. It is a shame because a more than a few people ignorant on the entire issue will side with Jack Thompson just because he gets more exposure.

This is why we should support the ECA. Power in numbers so to speak. If the ECA becomes strong enough gamers and the game industry can more easily defeat those allied with Jack Thomson, Leeland Yee, and Lyndon LaRouche.

Gamers are the most important party in the Game Industry. What we say should go, period. No if, and, or, but about it. Without gamers the game industry wouldn't exist.

Is it just me, or is it funny that JT has to resort to some obscure site like popzart for attention?

I'm amused that you're taking credit for anything surrounding Hot Coffee.

he really really hates you doesnt he?

@Dan Olson

Do you mean Thompson or Dennis? As far as I know, PatrickW first reported the fact that it wasn't user-made content and that Rockstar had somewhat misled people with the statement it had made, to Dennis and it was first reported here and taken up by other sites, that's the Dennis link. Thompson, as he will happily tell you, allegedly briefed Hilary Clinton for her Press Release regarding Hot Coffee. I wasn't around here for either of them, so it's for others to confirm or deny them.

a seperate sub-blog with reactions to Jack Thompson - and which allowed him to post! - would be the best thing to ever happen to this site. Clear the clutter from the main page while pumping up the entertainment he always brings us.

@ point09micron

JackTompson.org is not affiliated with the man at all.

T.T this fight is getting a little old

Jack Thompson is getting a little boring, but kudos to GP for these counter points and for running a great site.

....how do you know this is going to be a 4-parter?

@SolarisDeschain: Did you read the article before reading the comments? JT bitches that GP doesn't post enough of his rants and ramblings. Those rants and ramblings are not worthy of being front page news. Unless for some reason you're advocating that GP actually needs to report MORE on JTs random attempts at convincing people of his lies and slander, you need to check your attitude. Defending himself in this way is one thing, but catering to JTs loud voice and lame attempts and getting noticed these days.... yeah....

When you have a discussion, you stick to facts, but when you don't have a strong argument to make, you start calling childish names, just like the massacre-chaser, John Bruce Thompson so frequently does.

GP did not "go low"-he just hit back with the appropriate responses to John Bruce Thompson's cowardly attacks. Good on you, GP.

isnt it kind of sad that this guy is still heated because he got banned from here

i dont post as often as i used to, but i still read the articles and all i got to say on this one is damn.

As far as i remember back when i joined this site, we've always been neutral, tearing at gaming industry and its opponents alike. If the gaming industry did something stupid, we'd call it out and tear it a new one.

JT, we gave him page space, we were open to his opinions, we may not have agreed with it 99.9% of the time, but we were willing to hear it out. Now i dont think he'll even get that anymore, even though tbh i never thought he deserved the page space in the beginning. Guys nothing more than a troll and hes pushing extremely close to slander

i read the entire thing on that potzsart site or whatever it is called and i dont buy that all he wants to do is "keep m rated games out of the hands of kids"

if he did then why did he pull that crap a year ago when he tried to get the cops to confiscate copies of gta san andreas from anyone regardless of age????

he wants to keep m rated games out of the hands of anyone

@Matthew:

"...what does GamePolitics actually do?"

As of late? Proving what a delusional, massacre-chasing fraud JT is... at least that's what I've seen.

Keep it up!

I was given a "Palm d' Bitch Slap" some time ago... I do believe it is time for me to turn that trophy over to someone more deserving of it.

Can't wait to read the next 2 Dennis!

"rent asunder?" someone dusted off the thesaurus this morning.

Keep up the ass kicking, and hopefully JT will crawl back under the rock he came from.

hillaryduffgta:
"a while back when he did post but for someone who thought we were “children” and then post [saying] anyone that posted at all was required to post their name, phone number and address"

Ignoring the fact that asking for personal info is a violation of LJ's TOS, that alone would've gotten him tagged as a potential child molester

@Matthew

I think that was his strategy, he was praying one of us would go off and become a threat to his safety, thus becoming his poster child for his cause, like how he prays for bodybags within a mile of a game console.

I hope when\if I end up doing what I want to do (working with computer games, thinking of programming at the moment) I can get a pointless run and gun game that is controversal, just to piss JT off and get him going hyper over it. Got plans for one, should I make it.

Until then, JT I'll have to see how the indusrty, as well as GP and the ESA will play thos one out (sorry if it seems like I am saying GP and the ESA are part of the indusrty, which I kno they are not) as well as JT.

It just doesn't stop, does it?

It makes me feel really good that the poster child of the anti-game movement is Jack Thompson, because he's an idiot.

I really found it most funny that he opened by apologizing for demonizing opponents , and then proceeds to --as he always does -- paint the usual disgusting caricatures of everyone he's scowled at, with special attention to Mr. McCauley here.

I love the phrasing "I am sure I have been guilty of that at times..." it's such a muddy, uncertain admonition. Like he's trying to be humble. It's especially flavorful after that whole "I'm so Christian" diatribe.

I don't think I've ever read or heard an interview with Thompson that didn't involve him accusing all gamers of being slavering madmen.

I think what Thompson may be implying is that the ECA is secretly funded by the game industry and is thus indirectly funding GamePolitics. Maybe? Anyway, we know better, and quite frankly I wouldn't care who funded GamePolitics. You always make it clear Dennis when you're reporting facts and when you're editorializing, which is what I'd expect and what you deliver.

davecube

i think he know's that but he may not since he truly believes that every single person that posts on gp is just a 5 year old "kid"

not sure if u were here a while back when he did post but for osmeone who thought we were "children" and then post and say anyone that posted at all was required to post there name phone number and address


he needs to be put away in a mental institiution

JT keeps saying that gamers and the industry want to sell adult material to kids.

When is he gonna get it through his thick skull that WE DONT WANT THAT EITHER.

Pointing out all of Jack's logical contradictions would break GP's server, but I have a few.

He was interested in the stabbing incident not so long ago because they were playing a game at the time. When it was revealed that the game was just an innocent sports title, he was interested because they might have played violent games in the past - in other words, the fact that they were playing a game at the time was of no consequence and they could've been playing on a swing set instead. So why is he not interested in all cases of violent minors?

The big kicker for me is that the GP readership, and everyone else he speaks out against, are mainly gamers. Most of us here spend hours at a time training on masturbatory murder simulators, being brainwashed and turned into mindless killers who only need the slightest trigger to go postal. Yet he insults us, openly and sometimes individually by name, without fear for his own safety. We're evidently homicidal maniacs who don't pose a threat to anyone.

we got sick of his crap a long long time ago

Also, I forgot, JT, since you're oh so bad at taking clues, take one from these articles. WE'RE SICK OF YOUR CRAP!!!!!

poor guy lost his mind quite some time ago


he really needs a few games of gta to vent his anger

@ GP

You (and the ECA) should just get used to being called industry operatives or whatever. By the time it's all over, you'll probably be labeled as the "violent game lobby" by the game haters. This type of marginalization is pretty much par for the course..

Either JT knows he's been had or he hasn't gotten around the ban yet, as I haven't seen him try to refute this, or attempt to derail the topic.

Nice rebuttal, GP. I am wondering, though, what your reasons for not reporting on your filing of a bar complaint (NOT suing, Black Manta), after it seemingly was unsuccessful. I realize that during that process, you can't write about because of the conflict of interest, but then after? (Maybe you did, and I missed it) Unless it wasn't a failure, and is still ongoing, I see no reason not to at least give air to it. I guess one possible reason was that you didn't want less-than-mature readers flooding the bar with their own trupmed-up complaints, thereby muddying the waters ... Anyway, I hope you address this 'point' of JT's in a subsequent counter.

Rather than pointing out all the inaccuracies in Jack's interview, perhaps it would be a better exercise to point out the logical falacies and contradictions in Jack's words and actions.

He talks about the fact that the posters on Kotaku violated the sites terms of service and yet when he was violating livejournal's terms of service it was ok because he was being censored.

Then there is his constant changing of just what censorship is. Apparently censorship is anyone who doesn't like Jack and censorship isn't violating the first amendment by having the government regulate free speech.

dont forget he also hates him for letting "children" on the site

thats all jack does is b**** and complain about anything and everything..

if he still has his panties in a bunch from getting banned then maybe he shouldnt have acted like a moron then maybe he wouldnt have gotten booted

I thought this was going to be summed up in two parts. I didn't make enough popcorn for 4... D:
I guess Dennis has a lot to say about Whacky Jacky. Just rememeber Dennis, you've gained recognition, while he's just some conspiracy nutjob; and apparently he hates you for receiving recognition and considers it unfair and a conspiracy that he didn't get any.

@DeusPayne

"Sorry, but your random bitchings about minor topics that noone actually cares about..."

Good, then I guess you don't have to read it, then, huh?

I'm sure you would usually have something to say in response when somebody attacks your character in public. Why? Because...well...you would care about it. Just like Dennis cares now, and, judging by the enormous amount of positive response to this, he isn't the only one. So take your moronic generalization elsewhere, or just drop the piss and vinegar attitude.

"But the question then becomes does Jack use misinformation to his advantage, or is he himself merely misinformed?"

I think uninformed is a more accurate description. Considering how frequently he states that "xxx study by the University of yyy" reached "zzz conclusion" when the study says nothing of the sort, the obvious conclusion is that he didn't read past the title. He has no actual facts to back him up, and every piece of credible evidence refutes him, so I find it unlikely he knows anything at all about media violence effects.

Dennis is purely pwning Jacky Boy.

Keep it up.

Jacky Boy never learned to practice what he preached.
 
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