Jesuit Sees Second Life as Mission Territory

Jesuit Sees Second Life as Mission Territory

July 29, 2007
The 3-D online world of Second Life has been a popular hangout of late for politicians seeking to appeal to tech-savvy voters. But the SL metaverse can also be used to spread a somewhat loftier message.

Writing in Rome-based journal La Civilta Cattolica, Antonio Spadaro, a Jesuit academic, cites the popular MMO as a valuable resource for spreading the word of God.  After all, Second Life is currently home to numerous virtual churches encompassing a variety of religions.  Many SLers have already discovered organized virtual prayer.

Of course, many players also participate in the sort of virtual activities that Church leaders would find, shall we say, less than godly. Spadaro warns his fellow Catholics that while “the erotic dimension is very present” in SL, they should keep an open mind and seize the opportunity reach more people.  He writes:
Is there (cyber) space for God?  ...It's not possible to close our eyes to this phenomenon or rush to judge it. Instead it needs to be understood... the best way to understand it is to enter it...

While the virtual world might be a refuge for some people seeking to flee the real one, it is also full of people seeking something more from life, including, possibly, religious enlightenment.

Deep down, the digital world can be considered, in its way, mission territory. Second Life is somewhere where the opportunity to meet people and to grow should not be missed, therefore, any initiative that can inspire the residents in a positive way should be considered opportune.

Via: Reuters

-Reporting from San Diego, GP Correspondent Andrew Eisen

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I was in the seediest place I'd ever seen in SL - the OOC skybox above an N/C roleplaying island modeled after a shitty urban neighborhood. It was named Crackville, or something equally charming, with parcel names heavy on unnecessary misspellings and z's in place of s's. There were two of the most blandly normal avatars I'd ever seen standing around there, waiting for someone to address them so it wouldn't technically be proselytizing when they went into their spiel. I couldn't help myself - I had to ask what they were doing in a place like that. What ensued was a half-hour discussion of morality and theodicy between a heavily pierced wolfess and two black-shirted Bible salesmen with nothing in their Groups lists but missionary groups. Six of them apiece, at least.

God, save me from your followers. They're verbose and dumb.
I was educated at a Jesuit school and now even though I'm an athiest and a dectractor of organised religion, I still feel great affection for the Jesuits; they're the only order of priests that have been kicked out of the Catholic Church *twice*.

They're significantly more educated than any other order; they're fair, considerate, forward thinking and great educators.

I know that if the Society of Jesus do set up a mission in 2ndLife that they'll be helpful, considerate and will not interfere; it's the custom of the Jesuits to learn the local culture of any play they send a mission.
Christopher

I just remembered Robert DeNiro's "The Mission," or maybe even "Father Romero"

Do I foresee some sort of armed revolution in SL, against the corporations? lol
kurisu7885

I wouldn't worry too much - SJ are too academic to try anything too drastic. They'll probably take their time studying the locale first before making a move.

Then again...we're talking about the same order that's famous for ideologies like "Liberation Theology," a well-meaning but bizzare mishmash of humanitarian philosophy, Catholic Doctrine, and Karl Marx.

It really depends on which guys they plan to send in to set up shop in SL - every church order (and every group for that matter) has its own share of extremes.
Er... mind you, I might just be saying this because I'm used to seeing the creepy stuff on SL, and that becomes the stuff I interpret as "common", even if it isn't.
@ Kirisu
My thoughts precisely. They're perfectly welcome to set up shop in a new area, but the moment they get bombard by a mass-flying-wangs nuclear missile, if they begin to get whiny... well, they should've researched that.
And it's jensaari kajex on AIM. =)

I see nothing wrong with the idea of these people setting up shop so that they can offer a place where people who ARE looking for a little religious environment (however many or few that may be) can come to. I'm amusing myself with what it'll consist of, though.... what if a dude with a female macro dragon furry model and oversized DD-cups goes into the confessional for a serious discussion with one of the people that resides there? That... might just be a little awkward. My point being that there are probably going to be things that these people may not anticipate, and a dude with with a macro dragon furry model sporting DD-cups is just the tip of the iceburg. >.>;
@ash2dust:

We don't like people interrupting our spells summoning Succubi and other demons (in game) by telling us about how great their church is.
Why are Christians so focused on recruiting members into their cult? What if I want to play my video game and ignore you? Go worship your imaginary friend and leave me alone.
@Twin-Skies

Well, if the church is like that I do welcome them, but they better do a little research first, I certainly wouldn't want them getting blindsided by anything too weird.

@Kajex

I'm a member of the SL furry community myself. Don't be afraid to chat me up on Yahoo or MSN sometime, username is same as here.

And I'm used to such myself, being native north american. My ancesters were here long before the european settlers, even though it is possible we came over form asia in far more ancient times, but it doesn't matter to some that we were here first, we're still a disease.

And you're right, the channers are only dangerous if you get to close to the cage.
I don't play second life (nor does it even remotely interest me), so I can honestly say I don't really know what truly goes on there beyond what has been recently reported here. However, it is interesting (and the cynic in me would say, "inevitable") that one religious group would find something like that to be a good platform for thier preaching and other tasks. I'm kinda curious how the other religious interpretations would see that act. In any event, I don't care where they are just so long as they don't interfere with what I am trying to do, whatever that may be.

For the record, I have nothing against religion itself. I personally don't believe in any of them (it isn't really accurate to call me an athiest either, but that's a moot point right now), but, I don't see anything wrong with the religions themselves. What I don't like is people using it as an excuse to do terrible things. I personally see that falling on the shoulders of the person who did it, and not the theocratc doctrine used to justify a desicion already made. I see them as a teaching, a moral guidebook to help ones life out and something one can turn to if one needs the aid of a larger entity to help shoulder life's burdens. What is more important, the letter of the "law" (so to speak), or the essence of it. Oh yes, I'm not fond of people trying to convert me or blab to me in a holier than thou art attitude either (and I have taken folks of the sort down several pegs in the past, heh heh), but that's more of a personal gripe.
I have absoulutly no troubles with this happening. But so help me. They take it over the top. Not even their dear a fluffy lord wil save them for what I will do. And I'll give you all a preview. It involves a floor waxer and a can of peas
Interesting concept. I don't play Second Life but if I did I would hope they don't start spamming religious crap in my game. I don't like the fantasy taken out of my fantasy worlds.

Otherwise, if this priest isn't intrusive to other gamers I think it's cool.
The Jesuits are a pretty chill group compaired to some of the other sects. After all, Catholics are not that bad. I support that they can say and do what they want. But my opinion is subject to change very quickly. Really, it only takes one greifer for me to support banning religion in MMOs, just like I support banning 10-year-olds in raid groups on teamspeak. If you have heard this, then you know what I mean. But again, all my opinion.

(And for the record, I have no problem with religion. But I have studied for most of my life and I know what your particular religion has done wrong. Can we just leave the religion topic of "who's god has a bigger thingy" or "god sux" out of this? This article is not about god but about a sect of a religion embracing games... Even if that game is a glorified IM.)
I'm close minded to religion in general because it's the cause of most problems in today's society. Believe in a God if you want, but religions are scams that justify doing wrong things, like hating homosexuals.
@ Schememonkey
Oh don't get me wrong- seeing a religious group embrace technology and using it in the same way some politicians are using it is perfectly fine. I'm just worried that they're not fully aware what they're getting into. And being a member of the furry community on 2nd Life, I can say right now that the channers are little to worry about unless you avidly MAKE a big deal about them. Again, I'm just concerned that these people are less prepared than furries were when they approached 2nd Life.

@Kirisu
I'm a hispanic in California- I'm USED to blanket-statements where people say I'm bad because I'm 'mexican' and I crossed the border. I was born in Bethesda, Maryland, and I'm hispanic- there's a difference. But yeah. =)
Everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe. Nobody should step on that.
@ash2dust:

Most of us strongly support their right to say whatever they want about their God, but that won't stop the rest of us voicing our opinions as well. Freedom of speech applies to both sides.
@ash2dust

This site just seems to draw in the college educated set.
What's with the anti-Christianism on this site?

Isn't this site all about the first amendment?

You may not like what some people have to say, but what right do you have to say, "They better not say it?"
"What’s with the anti-Christianism on this site?"

Because being closed minded about Christianity gives the illusion of being open minded. Very popular at Hot Topic.
Nice spelling on the word 'atheist' on my part. Gotta love type-o's.
I wonder how rich the Church can get offa second life?
@Terminator44

I consider myself a not-so-moderate athiest, but I don't believe for a second that religion will disappear or see any kind of major reduction in my lifetime, which is a shame really.

"If SL already has political protests, campaign offices, and businesses making real-world money, is it that big a leap for people to start setting up houses of worship there?"

Centaur porn. Think house of the Jesuits next door to house of the bondage-hardcore-anal-fucking-cum-on-my-furry-chest. I'm not saying that religion doesn't have it's place in SL, and I'm not saying furries don't have their place in SL, I'm just saying SL is really really really stupid and anyone who sets up shop for thier cause makes it look kind of stupid by extension.

Not that I had a glowing opinion of the Jesuits prior to their induction in SL.
Look, religon is already deeply entrenched in the real world. And despite what militiant atheists say (I'm an atheist myself, albeit a more moderate one), it will be a part of our society for many generations to come. If SL already has political protests, campaign offices, and businesses making real-world money, is it that big a leap for people to start setting up houses of worship there?
"Give our virtual god 50 linden dollars or you wont get into virtual heaven." I can see it now.
And thank God - Fr. Spadaro didn't utter any needless superlatives. I dunno why, but that was weird...
To their credit, the Jesuits are among the more open-minded church orders under the Vatican's influence. Cynical, yes, but they're pretty well-known among academic circles for their scientific methods.

Not to mention they're not too keen on imposing the faith - they prefer to take a few steps back to observe the society they're getting themselves mixed up in first.

I wouldn't mind these guys running a mission in SL...although I hope they don't go on the bible-bashing binge. Nope, I never played SL, but I did study under a Jesuit school - these guys make for funny conversation.
The founder of Second Life has something of a god complex himself, doesn't he? I wonder if he could stand the competition.
I forsee a holy war between the Jesuits and the furries played out on the SL servers, which will culminate in the furries launching an all horse-cock assault against the Jesuits.

I think the Jesuits don't realise just how horrific and simultaineously stupid SL really is. I really don't think anyone has decided to A.) Vote for an obscure politician, B.) Join the Vancouver PD, C.) Fall for god because of SL. If they have, they might want to consider seeing a shrink.

"Is there (cyber) space for God?"
God I hope not.
@BmK

I was kinda kidding, my bad, I should have made that clear, sorry.
@kurisu7885

Apology accepted. I'm just sick and tired of all the religious bashing going on. Yes, many religious nuts do deserve it a good bashing but people have got to realize that not all theists and religious people are nut cases or have the exact same beliefs.
As long as it doesn't get as bad as driving down a highway in Missouri... if id DOES, I suppose I'll be pissed, but still, it's their choice.

Wait, I'd be pissed if I PLAYED Second Life.
/goes back to conquering Europe in Midieval 2
@kurisu7885

Oh, man, you fanatheists are so cool with your little quip's and one-liners. While we're at it why don't we all scream "opiate of the masses!" at the top of our lungs, keep jamming all religious people into one category and spending all our time online bashing believers and making fun of their religion while grasping our copies of The God Delusion.
I'm no religious fanatic but all this religious bashing is getting tiring and ridiculous. In no way do i see these people as fanatics or nuts. But the fact that they believe in God and are religious is enough to get Dawkinites and anti-theistic radicals to bash them.
@MaskedPixelante

God, a deity? HA!! try dictator.
Oh joy, why do I get the feeling that the religious groups are going to join forces with the chans in the war against furries...

Oh wait, I know why, because you've got a bunch of people who denounce you for "choosing" to be gay, because "it goes beyond the boundaries God set up". Imagine how they'll react when they find the people who go "beyond God's boundaries" by deciding not to be human.

Seriously, keep God, and the rest of the religious deities, out of our MMOs.
well this should be..... how we say? interesting? with all the messed up things that go on in second life it's only a matter of time before it get out of control. But until then I'll remain optimistic about it and just say, good for them.
It doesn't bother me that they're trying -- freedom of speech and all -- but I doubt they'll have much success on a place like Second Life. People go there largely as an escape, and these Jesuit guys don't seem to understand exactly what the average SL user is escaping from. Sure, they have crappy lives, but there's got to be a reason why they specifically choose to entertain themselves with virtual activities that society would consider taboo in real life. It seems to me more like they're actively trying to tear themselves, or at least their avatars, away from the moral framework that a religion would provide.

Besides, a church service would look kinda silly if the pews were filled with blingtards and excessively bepenised furries.... though I must admit, as an easily-amused agnostic, that would tempt me much more than a regular church ;)
@SchemeMonke

The chans had a furry death camp set up, that speaks enough about them. Actively trying to suppress anyone's rights are wrong, despite that person's mindset.

@Kajex

Glad to see you've done your research ^-^
I'll stick to WoW and my console gaming. I never really understood the point of Second Life.

I mean, if I'm going to talk to someone, I'll do it over a messenger, not pay money to get an avatar and talk to them there.
@Kajex

To right there about the blanket statments

It's as if people can make thier decisions about a broad group of people based on the actions of the most extreme and visual members of that group. Go figure.

Furries on Second Life have more to deal with than preachers, how about intolerant greifers from the various "chans" who are out to clense the world of the furf*gs.

The Jesuits wold be a welcome change, atleast they won't try to crash a sim using multipul accounts they made that afternoon, with penis spawning weapons of mass stupidity. Just so they can inconvenence them for lols.

More on topic tho, its good to see relgion mixing with technologies instead of shunning them... its an evolution in a way of thinking that hopefully one day will be more helpful than harmful.
But do they outnumber the furries?
Just watch.

They're going to catch a whiff of the furries before they get attacked by a horde of sex-hungry funny-animals smiling and "=3"ing at them, until the catholics freak out and start denouncing furs.
... Not to say all furs fit that criteria, but it's easy to make a blanket-statement on such a subculture.
I dont play SL, neither MMOs. However I hope that they wont End up saying: 'God is our saviour' etc etc etc, while playing.
Im an Atheist, however I respect any other's believe, still I wouldn't like to get sapmmed while gaming.
The fanatical militant atheist scum are just as intolerant, bigoted and arrogant as the religious fundy-dudies are. They are the same people on the exact opposite side of the sectrum. I find asshole like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Chistopher Hitchens no better then Osama Bin Ladin, Pat Robertson, Jerry Farwell and Rev. Phelps. They're all extremist, militant pricks who make both of their sides look bad to others. Hell, even South Park who makes fun of religion all the time totally blasted Richard Dawkins in the Cartman Nintendo Wii episodes.
...

If extremists do find their way into this game...

I want them to have bayonets and lots of flying pages, and killing people while they recite the bible in engrish.


Otherwise, sure, i'm cool with it....i don't really play second life anyways, sooo...
I can honestly say I haven't seen a lot of bad stuff in my tenure in SL. Then again, I'm just a DJ in there and turning my tips into real dollars. I do however recall an instance a friend of mine had on his land where he was attacked via shoving by an angry mob of, I kid you not, mimes with protest signs.
I don't see any problem with this as long as they don't become overly zealous and start to politely inform people that they're going to hell (happened to a friend of mine).

Also, the "not rush to judge it" statement is a HUGE improvement over the typical "games are evil" statements we sometimes get.
So they'll get the cat lady, robot and giant walking penis to accept Jesus? You know, one could make a Jesus avatar who walks around doing miracles.
Curious, will Linden Labs be sued it a likeness of a certain cathedral is made in the game by someone from the church?
The word of God? Oh, you mean the fact that he okays the degradation of women, okays slavery, okays killing people for believing in another God, okays killing people for working on the Sabbath, okays selling your daughter, etc. The Bible is nothing but a disgusting book written by primitive people, in primitive times to control primitive minds. No sane intelligent person should believe in it in this day and age, and most people who do haven't actually read what horrors you can actually find in that so called "good book".

Believe in it if you want, but don't go preaching to me about it and your beliefs. I also don't mind if you believe in a God, but no one should believe in the religions themselves, they're what cause most problems in today's society.
Oh great, just what we need: missionaries coming into our MMOs to convert the great unwashed masses. :P

I'm with Tr1cky Tpr. As long as they stay out of WoW it's cool.
Ok, I sincerely apologize for my statement, my bad, I meant no harm.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. A virtual confessional may help some get things off their chests. I have no initial problems with this, but, that said, my statement was made in regards to those who take it too farm which I hope to see none who do. If I see a virtual pastor who is friendly and just wanting a chat, I'll be cool with that, but if I get messages where I'm going to hell fur to my avatar being furry and demonic looking then I'm going to take issue with that.

Again, that said, looking back, this doesn't seem that bad and hopefully will be regulated to keep extremists from making themselves known and ruining it.
Let's just hope that Radical Muslims aren't the next to enter Second Life. Then it will just be real life in virtual form. :(
...

maybe it's just me, but isn't that what a game named "SECOND LIFE" would aspire to become?
Meh, doesn't bother me in the slightest, there are so many social 'bubbles' in Second Life that people form that another one will just be lost in the mix. If politicians can canvas on SL, then so can Preachers preach, and so can people walk around in 10ft high Penis costumes. It says a lot about mankind that these are the aspects of real life we have chosen to move into the digital realm.
Although I would rather not be preached to, I must admit "It’s not possible to close our eyes to this phenomenon or rush to judge it." is a huge improvement over "we must ban teh gamez"
Pah! Being an open virtual community/world, I see nothing wrong with some true diversity.

Of course, to be honest, one thing that crossed my mind were the prior accusations that there is child porn in SL. Having that and the Catholic church in SL... Ok, maybe that's a little evil of me. I mean, not all religious people are child molestors or support child molesting priests.

Still, I'll stay honest and say it did cross my mind as interesting.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Oh gods no....

Just when I thought I would never have to deal with this crap, they infiltrate an online game.

Maybe they'll be frightened off after a couple weeks,or a week.
@kurisu7885

Hey, what's wrong with religious folk playing Second Life? Honestly I have no problem with people expressing their beliefs.
As long as the option to grief the chruch remains, it's fine with me.
Why?

We have our freedoms. This also includes the freedom to say 'we do or don't believe in god and do or don't want to hear about God'.

Personally, i am atheist, but i have no problem with them spreading the word online through a game such as Second Life, as long as they don't go over thr top (i.e. post 'God is Great' posters all over the world), or infiltrate REAL and FUN MMO's like World Of Warcraft.
[...] Jesuit Sees Second Life as Mission Territory(from http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/29/virtual-salvation-missionaries-set-up...) [...]
[...] VBisher dachte ich, ich stände mit meiner Meinung ziemlich alleine da, aber anscheinen hab ich nur mit den falschen gesprochen. Hier mal eine interessante Meinung eines Jesuiten. Und nachdem ich letztens las dass es in Second Life auch schon Kirchen gibt, keimt in mir wieder Hoffnung. Wenn ich Urlaub habe werde ich wohl den SL Kirchen mal einen Besuch abstatten. Freu schon mich drauf. Und wer kommt mit? [...]

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