JT, you yourself distanced yourself from Tyndale, and I'm pretty sure you still think it's a shooter game, it's a REAL TIME STRATEGY game.

not to mention your license in alabama was revoked, and with the bull that you have already tried to do there, I doubt that the judge will let you back to begin with.

You seem to think that your going to win no matter what. Insomnia does that to you.

OK... THAT one is a troll. Ban that one post haste, please, Dennis, if not just for having his name in the title, but for the porn link it contains. DELETE.

I agree with shoehorn a lot on these things, but remember its not only the gun laws that count, its cultural differences that lead to such things. Correct me if I'm wrong but canada has similar gun laws to the US and still has far less school shootings.


Anyway back to the point, I've played a lot of violent games, but never used a gun, I'd say any intuition gained on the operation of a firearm would be from film and telivision vastly more than videogames. For one in a game your focus is on the thing your shooting, so the animation of the gun is often ignored, and for one using a different control mechanism is akin to conditioning you to use a completely different system than the one for a firearm making it worse. On TV however the information is passive, you get the dramatic gun-cocking and the old hardcore guy teaching the other guy to use a gun.

The only person in this debate gaining momentum is THE LOVELY, THE IRREPRESSABLE, THE INCREDIBLY SANE Jack Thompson:

Immediate News Release – August 12, 2007

Hearing to Be Held for Preliminary Injunction against The Florida Bar

SUPERCOOL AWESOME SUPERMAN-IN-DISGUISE Miami attorney Jack Thompson is pleased to announce that United States District Court Judge Adalberto Jordan will, within the next three weeks, convene a hearing in his Southern District courtroom

The purpose of the hearing is to decide whether a preliminary injunction should be granted against The Florida Bar and Judge/Referee Dava Tunis (

@HandofCrom:

I know that the plastic guns in House of the dead, Time Crisis et al will not train people in the use of firearms. I have played many of them (had the highest Time Crisis score in college for 3 years) and used to own House of the Dead 2 on the Dreamcast with the gun controller. To this day, I have only ever fired a real gun once, and that was with the gun owner holding it for me and bracing my shoulder against it. For all my knowledge of the light gun games, I do not know how to load, reload or correctly operate a firearm.

The point I was trying to make is that Thompson blames games like Halo, Counter-Strike, GTA and Bully for teen violence, all games controlled via a joypad or keyboard/mouse combo. There has been expert opinion on these boards from a person who has trained people in the use of guns that the nearest anyone will get to "training" for violence through video games is through the use of these gun interfaces. He said that to insinuate that people were to learn firearm skills through using a joypad or keyboard and mouse was ridiculous.

"it strikes me as truly outlandish that someone should say that we must ban fake guns and stop any restrictions on real guns."

This is true in my opinion. In Ireland we play all the same violent games that Jack Thompson has blamed for teen violence. How many school shootings has there been in Ireland? None. But according to Jack Thompson's "experts", there should have been several killings already, as apparently violent games lead to violent behaviour. In the USA there have been many school shooting, and America is one of the countries in the world where it is easiest to get a firearm. I understand that the gun control debate is one that will go on and on, but the facts remain:

Ireland: Illegal to own firearms outside of special circumstances (farms, sporting guns), people play Doom, GTA, Halo, etc. - No school shootings.

England: Illegal to own firearms outside of special circumstances, people play Doom, GTA, Halo, etc. - 1 school shooting (perpetrated by a pedophile with no social skills who has never been reported as playing a video game)

USA: Access to firearms ingrained in the constitution, very easy to obtain access to them via gun shows, basic background checks, people play Halo, GTA, Doom, etc. Many school shootings.

The only countries in which school shootings have occured have been ones with lax at best gun laws. Violent media is not the common denominator in these horrific events, it is violent and mentally disturbed people with access to guns.

Mr. Thompson,
Serious question. I understand your desire to protect kids from violent video games. Not all kids are ready to handle all the material portrayed in some games. I get it. But, as a Republican, don't you believe in individual responsibility? I am fine if you personally want to make Take 2 or other companies look bad. Heck, I am fine with society frowning upon them. This is America, though. They do have the right to do this and we have the right to control their future with our dollars. Parents don't like Take 2's business practices...simply don't but from Take 2 and ensure your kids follow suit. However I think the government has no business in this and retailers should not be the people making decisions for the consumers. Don't you agree?

dennis just tell him your not interested so he can move on to other news website admins =p

Dennis, if I were you, to be honest, I'd have simply deleted his post, spamming up the FIRST post on this thread with self promotional crap is not only pathetic, quite frankly, you should be charging this goofball for advertising space.

@Dragon Bomber.
Hooah has multiple meanings to those of military background. It's not always a YES.

I read one of jacks court rants about how the murderes train to use guns on video games, all we need is another judge like the one who got them to bring in bully and bring in some FPS.

Then we take someone who knows how to use a gun like a police officer, but doesnt play videogames (preferrably one who doesnt even use a computer). If theyre such great murder simulators and training excercises, surely the guy wont even need to read the manual to play the game, since playing a game and using a gun, let alone shooting someone are the same thing....

then we watch as he tries and deciphers how to use the keyboard and we laugh at jack, thats if he hasnt been thrown from the courtroom for his usual antics by then

@ JackAss Thompson
"Secondly, I have won most of my cases on these issues. Read my book, Ace."
through the almighty power of Lexus.com and my limited paralegal skill, I have deduced that you have won nothing that took place in a courtroom in the last 10 years.

So that sentence up there is the most blatant lie I have ever seen in 20 years of dealing with the insane, mundane, stupid, and other branches of our Judicial system.

look jt keeps posting his phone number and coming back because dennis refuses to call him on saturdays and jt is a very lonely man lol

i used to think this was a joke but honestly this guy claims to hate video games but ill bet hes here more than most people!

@ Jack Thompson, Attorney

I love you too.

@Joe F.

I've seen those. Those jokes are just sad, just shows how hard LaRouche and all of his followers fail art anything, be it humor or basic human decency and logic.

@Erik

My bad, sorry ,and actually, he's using crazy activist logic, like how PETA will throw blood on your for taking a bite of a burger but when they use pig insulin for am edical problem, it's all hunky dory.

I forgot I had a joke for you:

"Rumor has it that Rupert Murdoch got pregnant in MySpace."

"Yes, by the 29,000 sex offenders in there, too bad he didn't tie the Tubes!"

You'll find more, go on: www.larouchepac.com

"That’s precisely why he keeps posting his phone number, he’s trying to bait us."


But going by his own warped logic wouldn't he be at fault for that and not the people who chose to call him?

When Penny-Arcade donated money, something he was not man enough to do and made a news post about it he said that Tycho and Gabe did so to force their readers into harassing Jack.

When Dennis posted a link to Jack's tepid book, it wasn't because it was relevant to what is discussed here, but rather to force us to "bookstorm" him.

And when Dennis made a news story about the heart condition of Jack's it wasn't to make a news story about that, but rather to force us to wish Jack ill, which most actually wished him well.

So by posting his number Jack is forcing people to harass him, therefore he should press charges against himself.

@Father Time

Nothing I could say would make Jack think we're any less idiots. He blindly thinks we're all sadistic potential murderers just waiting for the right game to push us over the edge.

Also, I never said that I wished anything bad to happen to his house, kids, pets. Merely that I expect him to report said events. I wouldn't put it past him to make up statements like that just to make everyone feel sorry for him, and to incite a negative attitude toward gamers.

@ Father Time

It's not like there's a shortage of "gamers as idiots" ammo to be had, sadly.
The big problem with defending attacks on gamers is that we can be anybody. For cryin' out loud, we're a group connected only by our affinity for an INCREDIBLY broad-spectrum hobby.

The only solace I take is the fact that those of us who grew up with video games and see them as a normal facet of life in this world are slowly taking over the world...
Y'know, the old fashioned way -- by growing up.

People, people, people, can't we please leave JT alone, if we ignore him he'll go away. He's just trying to make the world safer for his kids. We know he really worries about them because if you listen to his phone interview after the VT incident he was crying on CNN....

Oh crap, I just can't do it anymore.

So here's the real speech:

We know his brain's broke, he's clueless about games, the gaming industry, and his kids probably think he's as big of a joke as we do. I'll bet they go to their friends houses and play violent M-rated games, watch violent movies, and are perfectly well adjusted despite having an overbearing whack job for their dad.

I read this site daily expecting him to report that he's had his house vandalized, his kids beaten, and pets raped, all by gamers in an attempt to become a martyr to his misguided cause.

The only thing that this whole JT situation proves is that the legal system in our country is screwed up. That people like Jacko can still practice is a mockery of the legal profession. The Bar should ignore the psych evaluation and simply summarily disbar him, deem him a public nuisance and lock him up for his own safety.

@ Jack:

Seriously dude, all kidding aside, why are you so hesitant to submit to the psych test? Is it because you're worried that you won't get a fair examination? Worried you might fail? Know you'll fail? If you're as sane as you claim agree to the test but request an independent examiner. I would think you'd be anxious to prove you're not a loon.

So Jack Thompson's going to commit perjury in Alabama, eh?

The three police officers that died at the hands of Devin Moore(and not Take-Two) are all spinning around in their graves because of Jack Thompson and their own families.

Okay, I've never posted here before, but I've been reading at the website for a while, along with Jack's comments. Now, I've never felt the urge to actually post a comment until I read one of Jack's posts that was talking about the christian game and while I would rather not have this be my first post, this just rubbed me the wrong way. During his second comment about the issue, he made this statement.

"I'm at the helm, you just don't know it"

I usually try to refrain from being rude to anyone, especially to Jack Thompson (he isn't worth it to me), but I have to say how a self-righteous and overall arrogant remark that is. It's statements like this Jack that questions your credability and overall sanity, you seem to have this strange belief that everything bad that happens against video games seems to be because of you even though all you have is opinions and beliefs. Hate me if you will, but I just had to say my fill.

Your argument reminds me of a comic book I read one time talking about a certain character. In that book, one character was talking about a recently deceased character about how he didn't simply disagree, but he would crazily disagree. He used this example that I made sure to memorize. someone can say "I like Turkey" and then he would snap back saying "Turkey sucks and you suck and who made you boss?!"

Hey Jack.

I tried that sorlion burger, but it was a little raw. The chibatta sandwiches are also horrible. But heck, i love your curly fries. So i keep coming back.

At least it isnt denny's. took dang near 4 hours for someone to say hi, would you like something to drink. I told them i wanted my time back. Course i didn't ever come back to denny's after that.

Oh and please dont get anymore plastic surgery or hang babies out windows please. I dont think they like it, and you might have dropped him and hurt the baby really bad.

I wish you would go back to making good music or counting to 21.

"allow me to explain, see your using the dictionary version of “fact”
not the jacktionary version."



You mean the same jacktionary that lists correlation and causality as synonyms?

@Mark Standridge

allow me to explain, see your using the dictionary version of "fact"
not the jacktionary version.

@MachShot

Hard to say. Jack has been known to post here in the past, and one would think that Dennis would not abide someone impersonating him. Particularly not in this sort of drawn out debate.

However, this Jack's been surprisingly civil compared to some of his past behavior, so it does make one wonder.

@kurisu7885

relax i know what you meant i just had to take a jab at the hack lol

@kurisu7885

much better example . that was a horrible accident that should not have been allowed to happen, just like jack thompsons birth

Has anyone here realized that this guy may not be the real JT. Even he has better things to do know days than to impersonate the inteligence of a YouTube commenter. Is this guy really Jack Thompson?

He is. Otherwise Dennis would of swiped the comments and marked his IP.

Kevin -

So far your my 2nd favorite, third being the video directly above yours.

Only issue with the video is your statement/question is so long it forces you to talk faster. Also the reflection from your glasses are distracting(making it a bit harder to pay attention to you). I know you have a time limit but I would consider shortening the statement a little bit to slow things down and to make it more easily understood. Also maybe put a piece of paper over your monitor so there isn't a strong glare on your glasses. This will allow you to make a better connection with the viewer.

I was the last video.

I had to speak fast to fit it into the 30s time limit.

Also, I suppose I should have made sure I was clear with my point that legislation has been useless thus far and that it seems most trivial to consider future laws on the matter. I thought my opening statement made that point for me.

@Hannah:

Not when there's violent vidya games to (attempt to) be banned!

@GP:

What about all his imaginary friends? Or the ghost of Dave Thomas? ... oh so they don't count? Nevermind then...

@Bear-Dogg:

I'm sure he'd have more luck on American Idol anyway, LOL

@ThadExMachina:

Apparently. (And yet, we're still here... imagine that. seems like his little 'mission' is failing thus far.)

Has anyone here realized that this guy may not be the real JT. Even he has better things to do know days than to impersonate the inteligence of a YouTube commenter. Is this guy really Jack Thompson?

Notice how he posted a newsflash on this site? Its because he knows no one goes to his site, and Dennis is probably tired of hosting stuff about JT.

How much money is it going to take for you to change tail JT? You seem to be a lot about the money. I'm just asking. Honestly, if there was an amount to get you to shutup for the entirety of the rest of you life about video games, the industry, or the people who play them, how much is it? I'm ready to start a Paypal Account working towards this....

@cullarn

I was thinking Exxon Valdez

jt if you at the helm the im sure the ship will sink like the titanic (hope the other people brought life vests)

Hey Jack, did it ever occur to you that it's been more than the videogame industry writing letters of complaint to the Florida Bar Association?

I've personally written three, and I wouldn't doubt that a number of gamers out there have written some as well.

Thompson, took you that long to come up with something ressembling some sort of "win", and you didn't even remotely have anything to do with it?

Yeah I don't think it matters what time you get up. You might as well be sleeping.

Seriously, what have you ever done? Apart from harassing people.

Amen Erik

"No, I never sleep. The early bird destroys the gamer worms."

Seriously? He actually wrote that?

...

Wow.

Jack, you can't even get your facts straight when you say you're leaving for the day. How do you expect us to take you seriously when you start proclaiming all these "victories" that had absolutely nothing to do with you?

Your tendency for lies and narcissistic self-promotion is pathetic. I don't know why you even bother coming here anymore, because everyone here is too intelligent to fall for them. You have no credibility here, and you clearly don't have much in the legal community either. If you did, you wouldn't have so much free time to post here during the day. You'd be busy actually working on cases for clients other than yourself.

@Mr.Pat

I didn't bother looking. I was after a copy of The Sims complete collection

That is rich. GW, JT, and his cronies feel the need to attack a game based on a book that many Christians actually like and has undoubtedly (along with the movies) brought more people to the faith. If anything, they should have been supporting the 'Left Behind' game as promoting the truth of their religious values and the message they want people to keep in their head. I mean, let us be clear here. Left Behind is a work of fiction right? It is based on a fictional reality in which the religious doctrines were truly warnings about a horrible future. A horrible future full of antichrist supporters and other unsavory characters wishing to capitalize on the collapse of organized societies.

How is this game ANY different than what is preached on Sundays and Saturdays and Wednesdays and such in some churches with a thumping palm against the bible and lung-wrenching calls of hellfire and brimstone? Was it too close to election time? Did homosexuals somehow get selected out in the game as enemies to kill? How is the supposed bigotry of that game any different than the nonsense the 700 Club and others push down peoples' throats? If I were Christian and had liked the books I would be very upset about the double-standard initiated by my Christian overlords. Much like how I am disturbed over the double-standard videogames face that movies and other medium now escape. I guess it's a good thing I'm pagan then. I treat all faiths the same, and learn what I can from each filtering the BS a good deal as needed. It is the organized application of the beliefs that really turns me off though. Maybe they attacked the game so that it WOULD sell more? I know I bought the Bible Game for PS2 just to see how bad/strange it would be.

Here's one I won, which even Mr. McCauley will verify:

Producers of the Left Behind videogame were faced with a storm of controversy after Christian blogger Jonathan Hutson exposed its eliminationist overtones in a series of posts on the website Talk2Action. Statements by the Anti-Defamation League, the Conference on American Islamic Relations, the Christian Alliance for Progress, and others condemned the game and demanded that Walmart pull it from its shelves. Even Marvin Olasky, the evangelical publisher, intellectual author of "compassionate conservatism," and a force behind the George W. Bush Administration's White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives," denounced the Left Behind videogame. In a blog post on the website of his World Magazine, Olasky described the game's content as akin to "the way homicidal Muslims think." As a result of the fallout, Left Behind Games fired its senior VP and released three board members.

Note re Alabama wrongful death case arising out of GTA copycat:

No, I'm at the helm. You just don't know it.

Secondly, I'll be a fact witness at the trial. That's another thing you didn't know. Hooah!

@Mr.Pat

I spotted several copies for sale at a local Meijer, stock was full, of course

Oh, and on another note, didn't you say you were done for the day, Jacko?

Hey Jack, two things -

A) It sucks that people are still dumb enough to wish physical harm on you, but it's the Internet - there are dumb people all over and now they can say whatever they want to everyone around the world. So ignore all of these people who say stuff like "have a heart attack" or whatever.
B) If you're making the first comment on a blog post, it's customary to just write "First!"

Oh Jacky boy:

"As to whether I’m insane. I’m not The Bar says so. Norm Kent pulled that stunt and it backfired. Go ask him about it."

Hey, and we all know how much you think of the Bar, so which one are we going with, theyre okay and thus are right in saying your sane, or theyre all corrupt and wrong? I keep seeing your incredible ability to disregard your own opinions when they come back to bite you in the ass

A prime example isL

"Nobody said people can’t criticize me. It’s protected by the First Amendment. I don’t know what you think you read that would indicate I’m opposed to free speech. Marketing adult games to kids is not free speech. Neither is filing Bar complaints and lawsuits as the video game industry does to shut down my speech. That’s the hypocrisy you need to consider. Don’t make this stuff up. It isn’t true. Got it?"

Why dont we ask scott ramsoomair of VG cats who you threatened to sue because he was 'harassing' you based on an email correspondence you started?

Or how about penny arcade? and youre attempt to shut down their 'extortion factory' (your words) because they chose to disagree with you and gave money to charity on your behalf.

Ah the modest proposal, your backtracking at its finest, of course you do contest its seriousness, so you're either a horrible human being for rescinding promises to charity or a horrible human being for making an offer to charity as a joke/satirical method. Either way doesnt spell good things for Jack.

And wake up, GTA4 was delayed for technical reasons, games often get delayed because of their complexity, especially this generation, of course for someone who hates without reason or knowledge we wouldnt expect you to know the details of the very field your opposed to.

WHAT DO WE WANT? LEGAL REFORM!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT? NOW!