Two New Gamer Videos for YouTube Debates

August 11, 2007 -
Thaddeus,

who works in a video game store, asks Republican presidential candidates if they are willing to hold parents accountable for buying mature-rated games for their children.

Meanwhile,

Kevin from Detroit

is back with another vid. This time he asks what violence in media -- including video games -- says about our society.



 


Comments

Jack Thompson, Attorney Says:
August 12th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
I think these YouTube videos take gamers’ mental masturbation to a new depth. Thanks, Dennis, for reminding us all of this propensity of gamers to engage in this type of activity. Fascinating, and so telling.


Says the guy who sends an email to the president about pretend violence and then CCs it to every media outlet he can think of to declare what a huge victory this is.

The hypocrisy is mindboggling.

best two questions so far

isn't Pluto not a planet anymore anyway?

Looks like Jack took too many of the happy pills....

Yeah, satire -- like most other literary devices, as well as heavy machinery -- ought to be left to the professionals.

Stick to what you know: which I guess is name-calling and... uh... is paranoid narcissism a skill?

(I know, I know... I mock the man for name-calling and then jump right in myself. What can I say? Moment of weakness.)

Not to mention, Jack, that you have posted more comments on these YouTube videos than almost any other subject matter. I hate to say it, Jack, but I have never posted to the King of Pluto about Tiger Woods...it was not significant to me. However you continuously post about these videos. I have to think they are significant to you. Fear? Anger? I am not sure; significant to you nonetheless!

Maybe I am wrong, but it appears Jackie T speaks ill of gamers' grassroots efforts. However, isn't his posting in here doing the same?

Jack, 2 major issues with your 'Planet Pluto" statement. Politicians (aka The King of Planet Pluto) work for the people and require the support of the voters. Last I checked the video game industry was a $10B industry (I have to think some of those purchasers are voters) and respresent a large force in the American economy.
And the "Tiger Woods" comment I presume refers to a non-significant issue. If this issue is so insignificant, Jack, why do you waste your time on it?

"Oh, and I went into my garage and asked the King of Planet Pluto what he thinks about Tiger Woods’ second round at Southern Hills. I know the King won’t ever hear my query, but it is really, really important, given the YouTube mentality, that you know I asked the question. I shows how relevant and timely my concerns are"

Jack, just because you ARE a joke doesn't mean you can MAKE a joke.

Does Jacko even follow politics? He doesn't seem to know that there's a reason why these videos are being posted to youtube and it has very little to do with mental masturbation. At least they aren't trolling websites from which they have been banned repeatedly.

Man Jacko dosnt even try to make sense anymore. Mental Masterbaition? Wouldnt that roughly translate into stimulating your own mind? The horror. But then again we always knew Jack liked the dumb unthinking type that just agree to whatever their told. It is his support base afterall.

"Thanks, Dennis, for reminding us all of this propensity of gamers to engage in this type of activity."

This type of activity? You mean taking an interest in the political process? Finding out politicians views on subjects that interest and pertain to you before voting for them?

Yes, thanks Dennis, for reminding us all of this propensity of gamers to engage in democracy.

What would Freud say about how often Jack mentions us and masturbation in the same sentence?

I think he was trying to be satirical -- in as childish and inept way possible, mind you, but at least he sometimes tries to branch out away from his usual direct ad hominem "gamers are frothy-mouthed, idiot scum" arguments.

Though personally I'm a bit let down.
I mean, I figure you're not a REAL politically-minded gamer until Jack Thompson directly accuses you of being in an underground murder-cult conspiracy or whatever.

Ah, well... I'm sure I'll manage to limp along with the knowledge that the great pariah thinks I'm a mental masturbator.

(And now: Semantics!
If regular masturbation is self-stimulating the genitals, wouldn't mental masturbation mean self-stimulating the brain: a.k.a. thinking?)

@ Jack Thompson

...Are you retarded? Honestly, mental masturbation? This coming from the same guy who uses the Bible to justify his actions and compares himself to Jesus. King of pluto and Tiger Woods? WTF does that have to do with anything?

"I think these YouTube videos take gamers’ mental masturbation to a new depth."

What, are you going to start a campaign against youtube now, claiming it to be a part of the game industry as well? Please, shut your mouth.

"Oh, and I went into my garage and asked the King of Planet Pluto what he thinks about Tiger Woods’ second round at Southern Hills. I know the King won’t ever hear my query, but it is really, really important, given the YouTube mentality, that you know I asked the question. I shows how relevant and timely my concerns are."

.............what in God's name are you trying to say?

@ DavCube

The motard from Miami seems to think that the politicans involved in the YouTube debate won't bother to respond to the questions posted here.

"Oh, and I went into my garage and asked the King of Planet Pluto what he thinks about Tiger Woods’ second round at Southern Hills. I know the King won’t ever hear my query, but it is really, really important, given the YouTube mentality, that you know I asked the question. I shows how relevant and timely my concerns are :)"


When it really comes down to it your court cases are just as moot. Questions that won't be heard, against court cases in which you accomplish nothing again and again. Your legal jerking off, so sad.

How does it feel to know that you accomplish as much as the average gamer covered in cheeto dust?

One of us! One of us! One of us!

There's no hate like republican hate. Jack is the prime example of this.

The unintentional irony here is beautiful. Not only is it bizarre and poor citizenship to attack people for being interested in the political process, our neighborhood massacre chaser thinks people actually listen to him or care about what he says. He may have been able to fool clueless politicians and irresponsible soccer moms in the past, but he has been widely discredited as a charlatan, a fraud, and a Pharisee who is only looking for a quick buck.

Oh, and I went into my garage and asked the King of Planet Pluto what he thinks about Tiger Woods' second round at Southern Hills. I know the King won't ever hear my query, but it is really, really important, given the YouTube mentality, that you know I asked the question. I shows how relevant and timely my concerns are :)

I think these YouTube videos take gamers' mental masturbation to a new depth. Thanks, Dennis, for reminding us all of this propensity of gamers to engage in this type of activity. Fascinating, and so telling.

@Thad:

Maybe you could rephrase your question, to ask what they plan to do to educate parents about the functional ratings system.

The system is nearly identical to the one the movie industry uses. Voluntary ratings with voluntary enforcement. One system works well enough to not draw any attention, the other appears to a miserable failure (even though it isn't, it just looks that way in the media). So perhaps the focus should be on improving awareness of the ratings system and it's successful enforcement. And to remind people that as educated consumers they can enjoy better control of their kids access to inappropriate games.

You can check out the Democratic debate recap on Youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/democraticdebate

There were plenty of shock questions in there but there were some interesting ones as well.

I fully agree with the person in the first video. Hell, i don't even work in a game retail store and i've seen it happen several times myself.

The first video is a great question that needs to be the main focus. Countless parents are to blame for bringing violent media into the home.

I didn't watch the democratic debate, but I heard that they had stereotype-questions, like a guy in full-camo with an assault rifle or something, which is why some Rep. candidates don't want to do it

@ Thadeus

Actualy, your question may be a good thing. Sure it may make some of the canidates nervous since the question will define them as either a social or a libertarian conservative. That's a huge republican issue, the right to watch over your own children.

Heck, the democrats had to answer to some idiots' question about reperations for slavery. Somehow someone at CNN though that there were enough blind-sighted people in the world to allow that question. I could almost hear the moans of "You got to be kidding me" from the audience.

Thaddeus, while this is a great question, it seems to be based on the pre-conceived notion that all the candidates support anti-video game legislation. Before we counter anti-video game legislation which great points (such as yours), we need to determine which candidates support it.

@GamersRyno:

"Thaddeus, while this is a great question, it seems to be based on the pre-conceived notion that all the candidates support anti-video game legislation."

This question has nothing to do a pre-conceived notion. This has to do with the FACT that many parents buy innapropriate games for their children becuase "This is the game Jimmy wants for his birthday" or "It's only a video game! (vacant look)". He is not assuming that the candidates are automatically against video-games, he wants to know what the candidates will do to highlight or combat the fact that so many parents already ignore or have no about the existing machinery to ensure electronic media is enjoyed by people of an appropriate age.

Those are pretty good, I must say. However, being the skeptic that I am, I believe we will see more Leland Yee-types who would rather go for a scapegoat than actually address the *real problem* (bad parenting), because less effort and resources are required.

@ GoodRobotUs

"...There were no dead bodies until about 10 years ago." That's a funny thought. No one died. Ever!

And you can be certain that the 24 hour news channels are looking for anything that can get ratings and warrant their existence. People act like shootings, murders, or any other crimes are more common. They aren't, we just hear about them more.

As for Wars etc, they are a slightly different case, that's 'Them' and everyone knows that 'They' can't be trusted, the British went through WWII and the Cold War, as did the US, but it was those 'Damn Commies' then, most people couldn't conceive violence happening here, or simply didn't consider it violence. Wife-beating, for example, wasn't really an 'issue' for a very long time, until it was dragged into the open by the Media. Nowadays we feel shocked and appalled when we hear of a man beating his wife, but 50 years ago, it wouldn't have even raised much of an eyebrow in some places.

Exactly, it's not that society has become any more violent because of the Media, it's that the Media has more freedom and visibility than ever before and so we don't see 'sterilised' news any more, somehow the fact that dead bodies weren't usually allowed to be displayed on British TV till about 10 years ago means, to some people, that there were no dead bodies until about 10 years ago.

@ GoodRobotUs

Who hasn't heard their parents or grandparents talk about "the good olde days"? People generally remember the past through rosy colored glasses. Things were simpler, more innocent, people worked harder, etc. I've even thought about how much simpler life was when I was a child. How much more peaceful.

This is nothing but lies. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. The Cold War was ongoing and the Gulf War came and went during my lifetime. Both were "resolved" before I was ten years old. I don't remember these though. Why? Because I was young. My parents wouldn't wish to frighten me with such tales. Nor would they inform me of any other family problems/financial difficulties. Why? I was too young. Even IF I knew what good would it do? None.

Best to let a child be a child. This is the reason people generally remember the past so fondly. I doubt anyone born during WWII would describe those days as desperate or full of despair.

O! Just as a means to discuss people's concerns about whether violent video games are THE most popular...of course Katamari Damacy has its place, but I just got two words for you: Mortal Kombat. Let's not forget why we were forced into the whole ESRB rating system in the first place.

I frankly have no idea what age ranges frequent this site the most, but remember my question is specifically in regards to the past 25 years, it was specific instances, such as MK 1, which started the negative video game train. Primal Rage? Wolfenstein 3D? Even Doom! (But that was when it finally appeared on the home console, because the PC era is an entire different discussion).

In many ways, the acceptance of more violent images has come from our eyes being opened to the world outside. I remember the Silver Anniversary of the Queen in 1977, I'm a 34 year old gamer, and I remember how unbelievably innocent the UK was then, we had few other races living here, and, in many ways, we lived a very sheltered life.

I don't think society, as a whole, has changed that much, I don't think a higher percentage of children are kidnapped, I don't think that there is a higher percentage of rapists, murderers or thieves. What I think there is, is a lot more people, so while percentages remain the same, numbers go up, as do the odds of the crime being discovered.

We also have a Media system that is now Global, and more sensationalistic than ever. It's a 'Shock and Awe' system in many ways, everything has to be pro-active in a dynamically mobile kind of way, buzzwords rule the world, with alliteration as it's Prime Minister.

I don't think things are worse, I think we just paint it in brighter colours now. That is good in a way, it gets attention, the world may not be doing everything right, but it's still doing it better than it was 20 years ago, but we are far more aware of what it's doing wrong than we were 20 years ago.

I suppose I should say that from my video, what I was trying to address is the disproportionate attention video games (generally negative) get.

Perhaps, and if I had more than 30secs, it might have been helpful to discuss how both television and movies are much more mainstream, leading to the simply fact that parents immediately understand the degree of violence therein. In contrast, video games are much less accessible to anyone not willing to fully understand a particular premise.

So in general, despite all forms, it would seem that society has, as a whole, come to accept more provocative displays of violence on in mediums, Its the mystique and esoteric nature of video games that have led them to be the black sheep and scape goat and (insert another farm animal here) to the political realm and general public. To that, its completely unfair.

Does that help?

I think my next question will be: "Rock Bank or Guitar Hero 3? Discuss...."

I'm almost 100% certain that my question has no chance of being picked, as it asks politicians to do the unthinkable -- point a finger at their constituents.

Still, I'm psyched to see that so many people are behind me on this.

Personally, I liked the first one better. While the second question made a good point, it comes off like it's against today's "violent" media. I'd rather not have the candidates answer questions that would allow them to push a 'protect the children' agenda.

@ Shoehorn O'Plenty

You brought up a valid point. Most of the games that people focus on are the violent games, but there are plenty non-violent games that sell well. Guitar Hero is probably the best example. I really can't see the Super Smash Bros games as being violent (no more than Tom & Jerry at any rate) and they are immensely popular as well. And there's such a large number of puzzle games that it's ridiculous.

Oddly, it seems that many of the best selling nonviolent games get very little advertisement. To me, this suggests that there is such a good market for them that they require little. Word of mouth is probably a factor, too.

I suppose it really depends on what you define as violent. While few, if any, would define Mario as violent, I'm certain that you could find someone that would. Wait. Didn't someone claim that Mario games were communist propaganda?

now these I really liked, especially Thaddeus' video. What better person to ask about the video game conspiracy than someone who works at a video game store?

MachShot: I believe those posts are automatically created by this blog when another website links to it.

Question. Why does every single blog post has a reply just quoting what the post is?

It looks like this:



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It's begining to annoy me. Anyway, back on topic, both questions are excelent! Thaddeus pretty much hit the nail on the head on the game retailer controversy and Kevin's question was great as well. Forgive me if I misunderstand Kevin's point, but is he trying to point out that its the fact the goverment disapproves of it spawns the popularity of games like GTA?

Thaddeus is my hero.

Agree with Pirra, I really did like yours Thaddeus

[...] YouTube Contact the Webmaster Link to Article video games Two New Gamer Videos for YouTube Debates » Posted at GamePolitics.com on Saturday, August 11, 2007 Two New Gamer Videos for YouTube Debates August 11th, 2007 Thaddeus, who works in a video game store, ... . This time he asks what violence in media — including video games — says about our society. WPvideo 1.02 Debate Question WPvideo 1.02 Republican Debate - Video Games Violence   Posted View Original Article » [...]

These are the two best questions I have seen so far. Good job.

The first question is excellent in my opinion.

The second one, not so. I thought the presidential debates were to see what candidates would do to change existing policies or do to tackle certain problems facing society. They are not about what the candidates think about society in general. Their attitudes to today's society are better revealed through more specific questions such as the first.
Also, while a lot of popular video games are violent, many games which sell equally as many copies are non-violent, eg. Guitar Hero, Brain Training, the latest Madden, soccer titles, etc. I don't think that the fact that there is a sector of the industry creating violent games means anything. The same with movies, books, music, for every Eminem record, there's a jazz or classical album, for every Die Hard there is a Disney movie, and for every Stephen King chiller there is a Harry Potter.
There is no problem with there being violent games as long as they are only consumed by the audience for which they are meant.

Then Mitt Romney is a 100% wussy, as Ken Titus would say, and has no testicular fortitude, as Mick Foley would say.

btw, for anyone with doubts, I just got my T-shirt yesterday. My mom is ticked off, but you can't please everyone :)

either way, great videos guys. Now that it looks like it's all but certain that Romney is a no show, I probably won't reshoot, but you guys owned my video.

Well, it's nice to see that gamers are mobilizing.

And now, the requisite inb4jackthompsonrant, and how he should seek Redemption on Sept. 10
 
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