Public Radio: Yee's Wikipedia Page Altered From Within State Capitol

September 4, 2007 -
A recent GamePolitics report looked at controversial edits made to the Entertainment Software Association's Wikipedia entry by someone at ESA HQ in Washington, D.C.

Now comes word that the Wikipedia entry of a video game industry nemesis, California State Senator Leland Yee, underwent similar in-house editing.

Yee, of course, is the architect of California's 2005 video game law, which was recently ruled unconstitutional by a federal court judge. He is also among those critics calling for a government investigation into the recent re-rating of Manhunt 2 (see: Yee: What is ESRB Trying to Hide?).

As reported by John Meyers, Sacramento Bureau Chief for public radio station KQED:
For some reason, many more Wikipedia edits were done on computers belonging to the California Senate than the Assembly. In fact, all of the following entries were tweaked with computers logged on to Senate internet connections...

Take, for example, the Wikipedia entry for Sen. Leland Yee (D-SF), which was polished up to highlight his 2006 effort to ban violent video games being sold to kids. Between late May and August 2006, someone at the Capitol added glowing references to his fight "for children, mental health services, working families, the environment, and civil rights."

Someone also logged on from a legislative computer to delete references to a 1992 shoplifting charge against Yee, and several Capitol edits attempted to frame the violent video game debate in the most flattering light possible...

Yee's Wikipedia entry notes that some items are in dispute. The edits cited by KQED were discovered using the recently released Wikipedia Scanner tool.

Comments

Hmmm.. I wonder if he played 'Shoplifter Simulator' when he was young? ;)

Seriously though, this little Wiki thing is revealing more and more eyebrow lifting stuff, not that I'm surprised it happens, but just it's still putting a lot of people in somewhat interesting situations.

Petty theft...
Not really a big deal in my opinion, but since 92 wasn't really that far away >_>; God, I feel old.
The wiki stuff is just an example of history books, people try to light it in the best way as possible. I'd argue many books, including the bible were subject to the same manners as whoever wins in a war or comes out on top. There are tons of edits from virtually every major commercial service, even Apple.
Apple also put NSFW piccies on wiki as an insult, makes you wonder why companies are so afraid of such things coming into light.

Anyway, Yee wants to look "perfect" in front of constituents, but that isn't possible. He'll always look like an idiot to someone, and the more he presses the issue of 'protecting children' by burning money and claiming it'll heat homes; the grimmer things will look.
There is irony though in that statement:
What is ESRB Trying to Hide

What are YOU trying to hide Yee?

"several Capitol edits attempted to frame the violent video game debate in the most flattering light possible"

That's just like polishing a turd. Yee has no scientific or rational basis for his proposed law, and like all the others, it was declared unconstitutional. It doesn't matter how you spin it, it was an attempt by an elected official to restrict his constituents rights at the cost of their tax dollars. No amount of preaching your misguided concern for the children or trying to take a moral highground can change that.

Good for Yee. I tried to alter my Wiki entry, to get my birthdate and birthplace right, and the knuckleheads at this "fiction is fact" site deleted my corrections!

Your readers are probably not aware of the celebrated case involving Wikipedia in which a former member of the Kennedy Administration embarrassed the site terribly over its false history of him. Gee, Dennis, think you could have reported that?

GP: No reason why we would report on that, since this is GamePolitics.com and there is no video game angle in the case you are referencing. I do seem to recall your own dust-up with the Wiki Media folks in 2006, though.

i have to admit that i do have a little respect for Yee. from my perception, he seems to believe that his law would really make a difference for the better (as compared to some *clears throat* massacre chasers), but that's also where my respect ends. pushing the wrong agenda, even for the right reasons, is still wrong.

Jacky Boy, my understanding is that you didn't just attempt to "get your birthdate and birthplace correct", but also to add insults directed at your enemies.

Pathetic. Practice what you preach, loser: Grow up and get a life.

Yeah, JT, 1 'good' edit, laced with 10 slanderous edits... sorry that the "fiction is fact" people deleted your insane rantings.

Well, the Wiki is hardly what I would qualify as anything more than a first point of reference for information anyway, it's best not to rely on it wholly, in some cases you learn things are better than listed, in others, naming no names, you see even further into the abyss with research.

That said, to a certain degree Jack was right, there was a definite bias on the Wikipedia in his article, but making alterations that were equally biased in the opposite direction did little to further his cause.

Jack failed to follow a proper article edit, which essentially states that the article be taken with an unbiased view. And the fortunate truth of the matter is that very little, if anything, in the article is actually false- the majority of the article's contents are cited and proven correct from who-the-hell-knows-how-many media outlets that reported on Jacko's shinanigans.
I'm sure Jack could tell us what "fiction is fact" is all about, given that anything he writes falls into the former rather than the latter.

Jacky boy - yes you made one or two good edits - but the others where pure crap.

Jack:
Maybe wikipedia don't trust you to get your date of birth right? I'm not sure I would trust you to tie your own shoelaces without accusing them of extortion...

Mr. Thompson... why are you acting like wikipedia actually, like... matters?

And why is it you think every article here has to hover around a game? It's his site, and he can do what he wants with it. It's still related to the matter, and he's not going to get arrested for going off on a tangent for a few hours.

Oh, dear. Someone's been cheating.

In order to keep someone from posting responces on gamepolitics you can ban their responces from certain IP address'(IE Jack Thompson).But you can take those IP address' and run them through WikiScanner to look up their wikipedia edits.So why doesnt Dennis look up all the edits that Jack has made?He does have Jack Thompson's IP address.

The rules are thus: You can edit pretty much anything on Wikipedia, as long as it isn't anything referring to yourself, or if the edit is a clear attempt to damage the truthfullness of the article.

So, if someone else edited Jack's page so it correctly showed his birthday, it would've been fine, as long as it is the truth.

Jack, you do realize that lying on Wikipedia is discovered VERY fast.

Oh, and Dennis. When in this month do we get to hear again from the Florida Bar wether or not Jack will be disciplined ?

"Good for Yee."

Oh really? And what evidence do you have that Yee wasn't convicted of shoplifting? Just whom is pushing fiction as fact?

And regarding "fiction as fact" are you still pushing the "Cho was a gamer" lie that the Washington Post itself pulled? Sad sad little man.

I gotta admit, I've never heard the phrase "fiction as fact" before. Damn, now Jack has coined a phrase I wanna use. That doesn't count as citing him, right?

Doesn't Yee's attempts to edit his Wikipedia entry to highlight his (illegal) fight against violent video games and remove mention of his past crimes count as pushing "fiction as fact"? I guess in Jack's world it only counts when those pathetic, jobless, low-life gamers do it. When an upstanding citizen and servant of the people like Yee, who's never done anything wrong, does it, he's just getting the truth out.

Well, about time I get ready for work. Gotta go in early.

At least now I know to guard my wallet if I am ever standing in the same room as Yee. Way to stick it to the KTA. Did you really need to tan your ripped six pack that badly?*

*Lee was allegedly accused of stealing tanning lotion. What a brute.

This is just par for the course.

Everything about Yee is about perception. His campaign to eradicate the world from the evil that is violence in modern media is nothing but perception. He's taken on a position that appeals to the demographic voting for him. Nothing else.

So why wouldn't he try and alter the perception about him then? He does that on a daily basis for a living.

GP,

i agree with MR. B. Let's do an IP trace to see all wikipedia modifications by JT.

since it would be very unethical to give us his IP, i think we should ask that you undertake this bit of investigative work considering you already have it.

How is a a wiki edit by the owners of the page newsworthy? Is everyone who edits their own page now going to be held under negative scrutiny? I mean if it were say another group doing it, I'd see the relevance but someone editing their own page or their office editing wiki entries? How is that worthy of a news report.

Oh jeez, now all the Yee haters are going to slam me... spare your wrath, I'm on YOUR side. sheesh.

-mw

Wait a sec, you CAN'T edit your own wiki page? wtf kinda sense does that make?

@Conejo
There is another way to find Jack's IP address,look it up online.I found this cool website that will let you find IP address' by typing in their URL.That site is,

http://www.selfseo.com/find_ip_address_of_a_website.php

@The Central Scrutinizer
Well, it's not that the owners of the page can't edit the page (though you can't call them owners; the page is ABOUT them but they don't OWN the page), it's just that they can't make the article bias; which can be hard to do when writing about yourself, since many poeple like to make themselves look good. The article must remain unbiased. The reason these stories are news worthy is because Yee's poeple have been editing his arctle to make him look better, deleting anything negative in their history, and sugar coating their failures. This is a method of lying to poeple since their are many poeple you reguard wiki as a great place to go for accurate information; poeple often treat wikipedia like the real encyclopedia... i mean, would you think it would be right for a person to edit an actual encyclopedia article about themselves? It's not just politicans, but also companies, including a few game companies.

@ CS

For me, it's about evidence against credibility. I want to know pretty much everything Yee, or Thompson, or anyone else I have a political and professional interest in opposing, does that I can use as legitimate evidence to discredit them.

Honestly, if we don't have evidence to back up our claims, we're no better than Thompson. We rip on him for spouting completely fabricated numbers, statistics, "conclusive studies" about how harmful games are, but if we're trying to convince someone that Thompson isn't a legitimate expert, isn't someone to be trusted, we should really have facts to back our OWN claims. Like specific bad-faith Wiki edits, or the true results of the studies he claims to cite.

To be honest, I'd really, really like someone to come up with a database, or at least a comprehensive list, of the studies done on the effects of violent gaming. I don't like simply saying "the studies don't say what Thompson says they do", I want to be able to cite what they actually say. It would go a huge way toward legitimizing our own positions, and bringing other people around. It's the reason he throws numbers out there, it gives the impression that you actually did your homework. The fact that he just makes his numbers up is so outrageous that people assume he is telling the truth.

In short, I want to know about this stuff because I want to be better than Jack.

I tried to look up Thompson's IP (Jackthompson.org,74.208.41.88) on wikiscanner,but it came up with no edits.Thompson must be using multiple IP address' or some sort of software that messes with his IP address'.This could be the same method that he uses to be able to keep posting on gamepolitics.He said that he tried to edit his birthdate on his wikipedia page.I dont know if he is telling the truth about his wikipedia edits.

He changed his IP address recently, which was how he got around the IP ban that GP had here.

I quess the only people to be able to look up Jack's wikipedia edits are Jack and Dennis.

@ Xlorep DarkHelm

I believe Dennis voluntarily lifted the IP ban awhile ago, under the promise that Thompson would refrain from threatening other GP posters and such. I may be misremembering that, though.

"This could be the same method that he uses to be able to keep posting on gamepolitics."

Which is an amusing thought. As Jack himself has threatened Dennis with legal action for not (quickly enough) removing Thompson impersonators. Stating that Dennis had a legal imperative to enforce the rules Dennis has posted. I wonder then the illegality of breaking those rules by getting around a ban.

Of course rules and laws only apply to everyone else, not Jack.

I'd pay good money to get Yee to go away. He'd never have to shoplift again.

@Jack Thompson
Actually, I recall reading something on Jack and his involvements with Wiki... Didn't you try to rearrange your own entry to reflect FAR more positively on yourself, Jack? They reverted the page back to a more factual basis than your 'version' of certain events. I'm more than willing to bet they didn't accept your changes because they thought you weren't a credible source.

Of course, any Professor on the planet will be happy to tell you that wikipedia shouldn't be cited because of it's malleability; So treating it as though Encyclopedia Britannica were attacking you is silly in the utmost.

Alas, what can we expect from YOU? The truth? pfft.

It’s that time again! What’s Jack Thompson Talking About?

Recently, Jack Thompson commented:

“Good for Yee. I tried to alter my Wiki entry, to get my birthdate and birthplace right, and the knuckleheads at this “fiction is fact” site deleted my corrections!”

What's Thompson talking about? While he did alter his Wiki entry and he did claim his birthday was wrong, this is the correction he made:

“This is my favorite Internet site for fiction. Wikipedia's "experts" ("X" is an unknown quantity and "spurt" is a drip under pressure) on Jack Thompson even got the day and year of my birth wrong. What do you expect from pixelantes (I created the word--see Wikipedia for confirmation of that) to describe video game vigilantes. They're so confused, they think the term which refers to their abusive vigilantism is a term of endearment and honor. Mussolini would be impressed.” (Click the below link to see the rest.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Thompson_%28attorney%29&d...

Yep, no mention of his actual birthday. Not very encyclopedic is it? Gee, I wonder why it was deleted. Anyway, a few editors pointed this out to Thompson who said:

“You goofs let video gamer cretins spew page after page of bile about me, and I try to correct some of it, and you say my responses are not "encyclopedic." I guess I'll just sue you, then. Thanks for the heads-up. Jack Thompson”

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=40194...

Click the following link to read about Thompson’s absurd letter to the Wikipedia Foundation board where he requested the personal information of anyone who has ever edited his Wiki entry.

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/228672.html


Andrew Eisen

@JT

"I tried to alter my Wiki entry, to get my birthdate and birthplace right, and the knuckleheads at this “fiction is fact” site deleted my corrections!"

Jack, editing one's own wiki entry is considered a faux pas, and is frowned upon, which is why the changes were reverted first and formost. You were instructed to submit your "corrections" to the talk page, and you refused. The info would have been reviewed and corrected had you submitted it properly...

As I recall, you wanted far more than your birth info changed.
-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

Janet Reno!

Gotta love these edits. Clearly done by people who assumed that they would never be discovered, not realizing that you can see not only changes, but who made them.

Deleting the arrest incidents is just sad though. It only calls attention to them, and makes them look more serious than they really are. The shoplifting incident sounds like a misunderstanding, but by trying to hide the details, it makes it look like Yee really WAS guilty (don't know if he is or isn't, but by deleting the entry it makes it look like he's trying to hide it).

If it's embarrassing, PR spin it, but don't pretend it didn't happen.

As for the "polishing up", yeah, it's lame. Throwing in a bunch of comments about parental concerns while at the same time refusing to acknowledge constitutional hurdles... again, makes you look ineffectual or clueless...
-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

I made a mistake.Jackthompson.org has no direct connections to Jack Thompson himself.It's a website dedicated to keeping a record of Jack Thompson's bullcrap.I appoligize for misrepresnting that website as Jack's own website.

@CS

As the proverb goes; history is written by the victor, and Yee failed, thus should be reprimanded for trying.

naughty yee!


(the same goes for jackie boy)

If you think that doctoring your own wikipedia to make yourself sound better is the most effective means of improving your image - don't you think you should try doing something a little less petty? Go out and do something useful, rather than try to make it look like all the useless things you've already done were somehow significant via deceptive wording and selective omissions.
This isn't targeted at anyone in particular; it's targeted at everyone who, thanks to wikiscanner, has been caught in the act of altering a source of public information for selfish interest.

Jack I'm pretty sure, they deleted your posts involving your brithday because they had no way of verifying that was really you posting. Just thought I'd point that out.

Anyway the Leeland Yee article is scrawny as it is, it needs more stuff in it.

Don't forget how Jack's own Wiki edits were not properly formatted, which is another reason why it was treated as vandalism. In fact, when they were reverted, the only edit Jack made that remained, despite his claims, was his birthinfo.

Due to multiple hyperlinks, my first post has been in moderation purgatory all morning so I thought I'd repost it here without the links. Enjoy.

It’s that time again! What’s Jack Thompson Talking About?

Recently, Jack Thompson commented:

“Good for Yee. I tried to alter my Wiki entry, to get my birthdate and birthplace right, and the knuckleheads at this “fiction is fact” site deleted my corrections!”

What’s Thompson talking about? While he did alter his Wiki entry and he did claim his birthday was wrong, this is the correction he made:

“This is my favorite Internet site for fiction. Wikipedia’s “experts” (”X” is an unknown quantity and “spurt” is a drip under pressure) on Jack Thompson even got the day and year of my birth wrong. What do you expect from pixelantes (I created the word–see Wikipedia for confirmation of that) to describe video game vigilantes. They’re so confused, they think the term which refers to their abusive vigilantism is a term of endearment and honor. Mussolini would be impressed.” (Click the below link to see the rest.)

Yep, no mention of his actual birthday. Not very encyclopedic is it? Gee, I wonder why it was deleted. Anyway, a few editors pointed this out to Thompson who said:

“You goofs let video gamer cretins spew page after page of bile about me, and I try to correct some of it, and you say my responses are not “encyclopedic.” I guess I’ll just sue you, then. Thanks for the heads-up. Jack Thompson”

Click the following link to read about Thompson’s absurd letter to the Wikipedia Foundation board where he requested the personal information of anyone who has ever edited his Wiki entry.


Andrew Eisen

@Andrew Eisen

And he believes gamers, or "pixelantes" to be all children.

Protecting kids my ass.

@Andrew, nice one, when i heard about jacks own wiki edit I expected a letter from him to wiki that had any number of the following:

Questions criedibility
Insults gamer intelligence
Blames gamers for writing his page negatively
threatens legal action.


Jack jack jack, youre suck a one trick pony.

The fact that Jack gets so pissy that we weren't offended by the pixalantes term that he coined amuses me greatly.

I tried looking using the IP for flabar.org - nothing. Suspect, for sure.

chris Says:

"Jack jack jack, youre suck a one trick pony"


Nah, he's a one trick "phony"

heh, oooh I just had the though

you;ll know when jack really jumps the shark when he boycotts spore for teaching the lies of evolution, thats the moment he gets just too nuts for anyone to cover him anymore.

Sean, the only "trick" John Bruce Thompson pulls over and over again, is the one on himself thinking he's a successful lawyer, when in fact, he's not.

@Erik

It doesn't happen only to Jack. I don't take offense to "furfag" anymore since I hear it so often on the net. /b/tards hate it, but, heh, not my fault not one of them can come up with an original insult.
 
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