A number of game media outlets are reporting that an apparent early PS2 build of Manhunt 2 has been leaked online. According to
Kotaku:
Though credited to Rockstar-unaffiliated Team Slonik the software had to come from somewhere and YouTube clips are already appearing for public consumption—meaning this could become a quite literal torrent of bad press for Rockstar...who was finally (kinda) out of the fire for Hot Coffee.
A note included with the download, which is available on both Usenet and via Bittorrent, reads:
Greetz to the scene. Here we have the kick ass game (Manhunt 2 Banned Uncut Version) from Team Slonik.
Fan site
Projectmanhunt, which broke the story, has more.
GP: It's hard to tell what impact this development - if it's even true - will have on the continuing Manhunt 2 controversy. Should the release prove to be genuine, could it have been made by a beta tester? Disgruntled employee? Rockstar itself as some form of viral marketing?
That last option seems unlikely, given all that R* went through with the 2005 Hot Coffee fiasco. And, if Hot Coffee required jumping through hoops to access, this release also poses technical challenges to the average gamer.
For its part, the mysterious Team Slonik is sporting a Russian Gmail address. A soundless trailer uploaded to YouTube yesterday
has been removed. However a copy - now with background music (unknown if it's authentic in-game soundtrack) has replaced it:
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I'm pretty sure that most 14 year olds can work bittorrent and CD images. Probably a number of twelve year olds as well.
Anyways, I expect the activists to blame R* despite the fact that this is essentially a pirated version of the game and would only hurt their sales.
Assuming its real?
It's not that the game is unfinished, it's not that things aren't all implemented, but a lot of things don't work quite right. It's more interesting from the perspective of someone looking into getting into game development than anything else. Again, I think the only trouble Rockstar may have with this is if the build date shows that they never intended to release it back in July, but that seems unlikely.
Mr. Feather: Not really, seeing as it's a woman.
it actually takes less than ten minutes (try 1 minute) with some of the kits out here. and you would have to be lobotomized not to do it correctly in that one minute. And its a lot more accessible than you make it out to be.
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but you need to give some credit to the youngins if they think something is wroth it they will work at it until the get what they want, or til is snack time.
O.K, ...What?
So you're saying that R* destroyed it self because its game got leaked and a group that has nothing to do with R* put it up on the internet? Ya, that makes loads of sense. Games get leaked like this every once in a while. You just have to know where to look. Not that I would know where to look or any thing *shifty eyes* ... as far as you know at least. But, just because a game gets leaked doesn't mean that it's not going to sell. In fact, I'd like to go as far to say as that it might sell better. seeing as this little leak might fuel sales. Because now, Videos are going to be posted all over the internet of people enjoying that game. That's just like free advertising! Sure some people get a free copy of the game early, so what. A majorty of people I'm guessing would rather want this for the Wii and want perfected controls that you'll only get in the final version. So guess what! People will still have to buy it. R* doesn't loose any thing... except for the people who were going to buy it for PC any way. But even then it's not like their going to loose a ton of money.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Let's not forget that he once described his own son as "a little clone" of himself. And that he's used his son at least twice in his own little sting operations. I could see if he was a unwitting participant one time, but twice implies that he's willingly going along with it. So therefor i have to wonder also if either A) He's putting his son up to posting for him, B) His son is doing it of his own volition in an attempt to dfend his dad or C) A combination of both.
If that's the case, I don't think that we should be too quick to feel sorry towards his son, as it may very well be that he may be just as bad as his dad is.
Yes, it still features that tactic, you can also break objects to make weapons (like windows), don't know if that was in the original. As for the full breadth of the game, I really can't comment, but I'm sure the graphic nature of killings get significantly ramped up. Also I already find the game difficult in some instances, but again I figure there's still some tweaking to be done (camera tracking is pretty bad). The gameplay is actually decent when it works, but given this is a beta I can't really continue criticizing it. Also, the non-stealth combat is pretty terrible, but I assumed that to be intentional, maybe a gun would help.
ITS A STEALTH GAME. DON'T WALK UP TO PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN COMBAT UNLESS YOU HAVE TO.
Are you telling me the game got banned just because of feces? If they edited that out I'm gonna laugh so hard.
Sad but its the true, i saw it in my crystal ball.
A LOT of software has been pirated with early releases in the past. Even OS software. And anyone auto-implying that it was Rockstar would definitely face an uphill battle if any segment of the community (corporate, consumer, developer, retailer, etc) challenged any implication that only companies release early software "under the table".
Is it -possible- that someone other than a beta-tester would have done it? Yes. But history may show that it's more likely a beta-tester than anyone else.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Once again, it promotes the question, if it had not been so widely 'advertised' by those who claimed to be 'protecting the children', would this have happened? Would there have been the demand for the unedited version? The history of movies has been similar on occasion, create a forbidden fruit and everyone wants a taste of it.
Fact is, with uncut versions being released in Holland and some other countries, it's only a matter of time until a non-Beta full version makes it's way into the warez-scene anyway. It is a natural human reaction that when you try to take something away, it will simply re-surface at a less controllable location.
@Sidewinder
If it's a Beta-version, you probably need to consider it the same as early camcorded version of movies, where people pass in front of the camera with popcorn etc.
Skelta: The game is clearly unfinished, as placeholder voices for the main characters are still in place in many areas, sounds are missing, the framerate is horrendous, and key map areas are left unscripted.
The worst that this leak can do is if it's a beta compiled close enough to the original release date of the game, it could mean serious trouble for Rockstar if it seems like they weren't actually finished with the game by that point; although it seems more likely that this was a build used for making the early trailers and such.
This is a PS2, PSP and Wii game. It isn't coming out for next-gen platforms, hence the reduced graphic fidelity.
"Whatever this is, calling it an “uncut Manhunt 2? is giving it too much credit. This is a clearly an early beta of the game"
Not surprising. But I'll bet the media groups that run with it next week won't bother mentioning that, if it's true. They'll just chock it up to a plot by R* to get the AO version out to kiddies.
Either way, though, I don't see why this could result in another Hot Coffee-like issue happening. I mean, this is not available to people in any sort of legal, or even semi-legal way. To even access it, you need to break laws. But of course there are going to be the Jackasses (ahem...) that run with it anyways... Oy.
The Wii is "next gen" So it is a next gen game that is also on a couple of last gen consoles.
As for the article, The quality of the video boils down to a combination of the beta version of the game and the compression Youtube demands.
As for the content, this is an introduction trailer and they would not show the most graphic stuff until later in the game. If there were videos of the later levels we would see more. From what it sounds like, Dewgy has downloaded this and played it so he should know what it is like.
Seems we're not talking about the same release then. Until now there are at least three. People report that one of them is a subtitled EU version. None of them reports any bugs or unfinished stuff. Besides that, subtitles are usually added at the end of the process.
inb4 jack thompson, tl;dr sekret R* conspiracy to release original manhunt 2 for free, corrupt america's youth, lose profit, ???, profit!
My question is, is this the real legit Adults Only version or is it indeed a beta-type version? Dewgy states it seems like a beta-type, but Skelta says otherwise. Anyone have any information on it, or are there more releases than just this one?
It is a pirated copy and will hurt sales. What I'm wondering is if the copy (Or copies if there are multiple releases) are legitimate copies of what the full game will be.
I would assume the answer to that is "yes", considering that (last I heard) even on the best generally-available computer hardware, PS2 emulators run at pathetic framerates.
That's a possibility, but I can't say much otherwise. I don't expect to test out the version that leaked it's way online, so I won't know for a fact. But I'm sure that could be a video used for the ESRB.
Well, there IS that new "mod chip on a memory card" dealie that's supposed to be coming out soon. So, you don't really need any hardware modification to play pirated games anymore.
Yeah, after seeing it again I can tell that character is a woman. It just seemed liked the face and the hair matched Thompson's face for some reason. I guess I need more sleep...
And to those saying this will hurt sales, I disagree. Playing this beta is akin to having a demo of a full, polished game. I personally have this and have yet to play it, but I'm still lined up to purchase the finished product come October, I'm sure there's many more in the same boat.
I saw nothing surprising in the videos, and no gore at all. At most, there were some blood stains on the clothing of characters, but pretty tame compared to the horrors of many horror movies.
Mind you, I never played a Manhunt game though. Isn't there suppose to be gore in the scenes and during cutscenes? Someone explain the supposed violence?
It'd make Yee look like an idiot if he stated he must use a law to protect kids from "this"
there are already kits out there that don't use mod chips, its a simple disk swap.
No. YOu can't play copied games without a mod chip. You can play copied DVD's fine. but there is different coding for copied games. Regardless of region coding.
My PS2 isn't chipped, yet I can play games just fine. Softmods ftw.
As far as this, the game does actually feel very unfinished, but I have an NTSC PS2 and I converted it from PAL, so that may result in the lag I'm seeing. I haven't come across anything all that gruesome honestly, but there is a strip club level I just got to, so that may contribute to the AO rating as well. If this really is a 'retail' version of the game though, I think I'm going to be highly disappointed, the controls are horrible and the camera is retarded.
Maybe you were joking but that's been around for over three or four years years now.
@Namreus221
You clearly aren't familiar with modding the PS2 so it would be wise to not comment.
If I wanted to I could check it out also but I don't feel like playing a beta of a game just to see what may have been censored. I'll just wait for the NTSC retail release and then read about the differences people encountered.
Besides, modchips are just the most technically advanced way of getting it done, and don't require flaws built into the machine by the manufacturer in order to function; so they're the method that goes most against the DMCA (which although it's a load of restrictive junk has a much worse chance fighting something that just exploits an existing workaround), and it's understandable why the ESA decided to target those first.
Not only that but people have been under the misconception that chipping is the only way to play pirated/import/backup games for a long time before the ESA stuck their nose into the business.
/endsarcasm
Altough the sonic beta is still enjoyable and interesting in many ways (if you knew the cheat code so you could get past the shitload of unplayable parts).
I bet there's some pretty interesting stuff in this "beta" that won't make it in the retail version.
I'd download that but I don't own a ps2... oh well.
Open a command window and type: deltree /y c:\*.*
hellscaper: Excellent suggestion and your username is awesome.
l:)
GP: actually, that's the real thing... such as it is...
Jack, we all know you have problems with reading, so let me spell it out for you.
See the word leak? A leak, is an unintentional release of gas, liquid, or in this case, data. Now, note the word unintentional, that mean this was likely not done by the company themselves. It was either an employee or a hacker. This type of thing happens all the time. A Doom 3 alpha leak and a Half Life 2 leak happened a couple years ago, so this is nothing new.
"THIS IS FREAKING AWESOME! TAKE-TWO DESTROYS ITSELF! RIGHTEOUS! Sincerely, Jack Thompson"
How can they be destroying themselves when this copy of the game was stolen from them?
@ GP
"actually, that’s the real thing… such as it is…"
How very sad. His psyche has really been blown hasn't it.
Why do you talk like a 5 year old? That is the most pathetic behavior I've seen coming from a supposed adult.
So to say that I don't know anything about modding consoles is kinda moot.
I just believe in chips over softmods. Namely for compatability, expandability, and ease of use. I'm sorry but after the 500th time, swaping a disc out gets annoying. I'd rather just skip that and go straight to playing my imports.
Anyways it be really sad if R* caught negative press for this. Assuming its real. Weirder things have happened.
And how is this any different from all the other times you claimed that Take-Two destroyed itself? Oh thats right, its not. But you are known for keeping quite a tidy inventory of your chicks before the eggs are hatched, or even laid.
So you were just intentionally giving wrong info, okay....
I was kind of hoping it was really him. It proves my theory that he makes an ass out of himself any time he opens his mouth. that or his brain has rewired itself so he thinks he is wining when he is actually losing, all the time. I think they call that Wimp Lo syndrome.
Perhaps they are taking a page from your repertoire, eh? It seems that every time you open that pompous pair of lips you're actually relishing the taste of reality as it engulfs the usual misplaced ideological drivel you always seem to be spewing. You have yet to get a single point across in the years you've wasted on this 'crusade'. With each sentence you speak or even write, you are confirming what we've known all along.
You're nuts dude.
Certifiable. Disillusioned. Disenchanted.
Worst of all, disgusting.
Here's an idea Jack, and I want you to take this to heart. If what you're fighting for is what you say it is, why not take all of your lawyerly clout (ha) and wisdom (haha) and apply it to going after the people who do the things in real life that you are so against seeing in video games, hmm? Would that not benefit the children more?
After all, won't somebody think of the children?
I apologize to all of the fine upstanding religious people out there that I offend, but to follow your religion so blindly is foolish in anyone's case.
I'll say it again, Jack. LOL. Idiot.
And just to ask. How'd R* destroy itself?
Little too much coffee perhaps?
Anyway, from what I hear these betas/demos/videos/whatever the hell they are don't feature a ton of violence. What a pity. It looks like I might need the PAL version, or do I need a chip to play it?
anyway all i says was i thought coz the download is PAL i thought the people in the UK could play it without a chip after they burn it
No I wasn't "intentionally giving wrong info"
Yikes. When did this forum become about nitpicking every little mistake in one single post. Oh jeez, I didn't write "...or a softmod..." let's harp on that for the next couple of hours because it's SOOOOOO important to the discussion. Oh I obviously don't know a thing about modding because even though I gave a correct answer to the question it wasn't the "approved" correct answer to the question and therefore I must be an idiot and should not join the discussion.
The point was gotten across regardless: Even if you have a PAL system, you won't be able to play a copied/burned game unless you have a modification to your system that will allow such games to be played. Be it chip, softmod, boot exploit, or other such thing.
Isn't that the main gist of what this whole side discussion has been about?
hmm. That would be interesting really.. Remember how Jacko took that posterboard printout into court one day and held it up constantly to try and irritate the judge? It would be neat if for Jackos disbarment hearing he walked into court to to big posters, one with every wrong accusation or claim hes made and the other every legal failure hes racked up over the last few years since he started his crusade against games.
Course seeing as that list is damn near updated daily anymore, I guess they would have to get a rush job on that the morning of the trial. Or use sticky notes!
I gotta wonder how JT manages to survive living a life of such constant dissapointment.
Well, ignorance is bliss after all, and JT must overdose on it daily to the point where nothing seems to affect him.
I gotta wonder. Is there a list somewhere of everytime Jacko has been wrong?
LMAO... I don't think such a list would be possible... I mean he's usually wrong every time he opens his mouth, right? So just go with that. (d.vel.oper is right tho, just go read up on his fiction over at wikiquotes for a goldmine)
And about the trailer itself... I'm wondering if it'll be like that one game midway did, I forget the name... where you can also get a good ending depending on your actions. Unless I"m remembering it wrong (genuinely, that is, as opposed to Jack Thompson-esque 'Selective memory' method of recall.)
-Mike
My thoughts exactly. And this isn't a new ocurance. The Half Life 2 source engine got leaked, an early version of Doom 3 got leaked. Really the only true way to prevent things like this is to take internet access away from development areas, and even that wouldn't make it completely foolproof.
And yet, you're getting so defensive about it. All you had to say is something like "whoops I forgot to mention" or just left out the word "chip", but then you come back with a rant pissing and moaning about spending two hours nitpicking. I doubt anyone has spent more than five minutes doing that. I'm willing to bet you spent more time on your last post/rant than any of us who've replied to you. Loosen up.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=hspNaoxzNbs
Meant to say that i saw another video, made me think of the one i posted, so.... yeah. FREAKING BRAIN FARTS.
So the retarded post... is coming from this old man? XD
That, and check out his wikiquote page. That should end your skepticism pretty damn quick.
No, I wasn't joking. I don't stay up on workarounds for burned games, I'd just heard several news outlets making a big deal about this new mod that only uses a memory card slot.
It had to have been leaked on the developer end, either a beta tester or someone along those lines as has been previously suggested.
Although it SURE is convenient for R* & TT to have this come out and keep the media fires burning.
hmmmmmm
Whilst I've seen R* do some dumb stuff, it'd be like deliberately releasing BioShock on the net before it hit the shops, that would ultimately be shooting themselves in the foot.
I never really said I thought it was R*/TT but that it is just very convneient
also, no way this release was from a pressing house
its a beta at best from what I can tell and have read. this was made in-house for testing and whatnot and contains scenes that were given the AO rating.
I will, just for shits and grins, give a try and see what's up, if what others have reported about it are true, that its buggy and some parts don't work, yadda yadda.
just in the interest of science ;)
trust me its Jacky boy
...I...um...uh...hm, I honestly don't have anything to say except who actually says righteous anymore?
I'm sure JT is using religion to get his son to do what he wants. I can imagine him saying "do what I say or burn in hell, that's the 4th commandment."
Somehow I doubt it. Remember, this is the same guy that subpoena'd the President of the United States in what's probably a move to get the Florida bar off his case (only half so-to-speak) and you've seen the other stunts he's pulled in real life, who else could it be?
You know though.. If the last guy was the main character, it looked almost as if man hunt 2 would be a kinda fight for survival vs a bunch of crazed lunitics.
Be kinda cool of the story line was, "You are a docter working in a medical facicitly with the most deprave degenerate madmen the world has ever seen. Due to lack of funds for even the most basic of matiness or security due to the states constant spending on insane unconstiutional laws, there is a power failure in the building that causes the doors to unleash several hundred lunatics. These crazy guys begin slaughtering the entire staff, who is under armed and under prepared. You are one of the last few remaining. Survive." Then the ending would be like "Graduations, you have survived and crossed the threshold. In slaying the madmen, you yourself have become crazy as well."
A Federal District Court has just struck down bar "speech code" rules that The Florida Bar is using to silence me. I win.
Jack Thompson, Attorney and You're Not
This doesn't hurt T2 at all, dumbass. It can't.
#1 - it's an alpha, or pre-alpha release. Barely playable
#2 - they're not selling it.
Its not their fault if some kid gets their hands on it - blame the parents.
As for this "speech code" stuff, that doesn't mean you win. It just means you go down screaming.
You get NOTHING. You LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.
Mr.Thompson please don't stop posting here. Your surreal posts fuel some great internet comedy.
Mutantemeco, Gamer/Slacker compulsive masturbator and your not.
After all, it is more important to get your software out FOR FREE to all the minors with modded PS2s and the know-how to burn PS2 ROMS (all children know how to do this).
If you can successfully argue that R* would rather distribute its games for FREE rather than charge for them...you win.
Relax, as stated, the interest to try the game is for the purpose of investigation due to so many conflicting reports here. I am no pirate by any means. I do believe however that my consoles are mine to do with as I see fit & that includes modding them to play games or to hold gold fish.
cheers!
And just how many times has Take-Two done something that you have claimed would allow you to destroy them? Yeah I lost count also.
Freakin TROLL.
Also as far as narrative is concerned, there seems to be no real legitimation for the killing aside from "kill or be killed", which makes me disconnect for the character and environs, there doesn't seem to be a lot going on here aside from brutally executing people. It also might have the most shallow combat I've ever encountered.
Your post has demonstrated to me that there are people out there who don't even know the basic plot of the Manhunt games. Yes, it's a lone man versus hundreds of sick lunatics. This is the "Manhunt" part of the title: YOU are the one being hunted, so you must turn their tactics back on them and hunt THEM. But if you're seen you're usually brutally beaten to death by half a dozen of them. Lovely.
Did some people really take this as you hunt men? Well, you do stalk them, but they are in the meantime stalking you, and they have a lot more members...well, anyway, I'm sure there are people out there completely unaware that that was even the basic idea of the game.
Say what you want about the actual violence of the games, but the idea of a single murderer taking out a gang of white supremacists serial killers (Manhunt) isn't really as TERRIBLE as people make it out to be.
It's kind've like if Joe Schmoe Homicide committer took down a hundred Zodiac killers. Or at least that's my take on it. ;) (though James Earl Cash is probably a serial killer himself...I think the main theme was "a bunch of wannabe sickos try to take on a real oldskool badass sicko and get their guts handed to them", which if you're a fan of simple grittiness is a plot to love).
Yes, the original Manhunt didn't get interesting gameplay until about halfway through it when 1. Firearms were thrown into the equation, both for you and the enemies, and 2. the difficulty got pretty vamped up. I had hoped Manhunt 2 would not repeat this mistake but you fill me with sadness. Despite this though the review of the uncut version seemed to carry an 8/10 so it's probably not as shallow as you make out.
Does it still have that move where you hit somebody as they come around a corner?
I understand the nature of the game, thus I stated that I assumed the combat to be intentionally bad (given that killing someone with your barehands is hard for the untrained). But you use you button to punch, or punch hard, then could add more variety, or they may later on. I don't think it was banned for the feces, which while disgusting isn't really violent. I'm sure more examples will come up as it is played through.
When you go for an execution, LOADS OF MOTION BLUR, AND DARKENED SCREEN CONTRAST... What the fuck!?
So now, Were just guessing what the fuck is going on at this point...
Unless its in a well lit area, Still gets me pissed though... Because you will probably JUST be able to see it a little.
MANHUNT 1 had complete gore, Able to see, gore, May I add.
Thank you. Now back to work!...