@Nightwing

Yup, I remember them appearing a few months ago. The thing is, LaRouche doesn't really care what the UK thinks of him, he already knows our opinion of him as clearly as we know his opinion of us, but the last thing in the world LaRouche wants is for the US to find out that his own Youth group is on the verge of being re-investigated for this death. A swathe of UK politicians wrote to the German government in May, iirc, requesting that the investigation be re-opened and done properly this time, when a mass of evidence that had been ignored came to light. The response was for the Schiller group to write to all 80 of those MP's urging them to withdraw those letters.

I always point people to LaRouche's claim that because the Queen knew that drug dealing was going on in her country, that she was a 'Pusher'. I think that comment in itself gives a wonderful example of how LaRouche's mind works and how he will claw at any excuse, no matter how ridiculous, to forward his ideals. He doesn't even seem to have noticed the fact that we had a Civil War a few hundred years ago and it isn't 'her' country any more ;)

9 Judges disagree with you so far Jack, but then, you suffer from Narcissism, that's a big word that means 'You love yourself more than facts.'

Thing is, a few months ago, the German police were asked to re-open the investigation into the death of a British Jew who was attending a rally held by the LaRouche youth group and was killed under incredibly suspicious circumstances.

The LaRouche group are so 'innocent' that the Schillers institute is trying to block the investigation.

Will it ever end?...

Probably not as long as there are people like Jack Thompson and the LaRouche group around, but I can dream can't I?

"These [issues] include...his addiction to killer video games."

This really isn't so much an issue, as it is a complete and utter lie. Still, kudos for trying.

@ Dustin1986
Well, books and movies aren't new or sexy or scary enough to be a scapegoat and no one cares about Marylyn Manson or Eminem these days, so they are off the hook as well.

Video games are simply the most new and unknown medium to the older folks, therefore it must be bad because they didn't grow up with it.

GoodRobotus,
Even one of our own forum regulars has had at least one run in with LaRouche Youth Group members. I -think- it was DemonTestament, but can't remember for certain. (It's the act I remember more than the person involved.) The LaRouches remind me of the article about the Peaceaholics' protesters at Take-Tao last year. They heavily spin their PR but when it comes to actual confrontation, it's a whole different story.

We even saw it in the forums and here when a few LaRouche Youth members popped in, spewed a few brainwashed comments, then fluttered away because they couldn't spread the brainwashing.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

You're really devoting a lot more press to this cult than it deserves.

If it's a conspiracy, where do the reverse vampires fit in? Maybe Jacko is a reverse vampire.... That would explain a few things.

Some people just don't get it.. I bet he thinks that the Soviets had JFK killed too.

@ Black Ice

No, he thinks the British did. Have a good look at LaRouche. He seems to think that the Brits are involved with every conspiracy ever envisioned.

jesus that guy is such an idiot.

i think even Jack Thompson is wise enough to not touch the LaRouche cult.

You know what? I'm starting to find it REALLY insulting that so much focus is on media influence when there are so many more IMPORTANT issues that are involved in why he took the actions he did.

Bleh.

It's just another of his stupid conspiracy theories, except this time atvideo games.

The only thing I heard about Virginia Tech lately was the LSU Tigers beating the Hokies in college football last night 48-7 in Baton Rouge.

Anyway, LaRouche should get his head out of his ass.

The government report rejected the LaRouche cult's baseless rantings/whining.

The legal proceedings will just find more of the same.

@ Waffles

To quote Ron White: "You can't fix stupid."

@BlackIce

http://www.rickross.com/reference/larouche/larouche54.html

Most interesting LaRouche quote....

"This concerns the causes and circumstances of the suicide by a young, emotionally troubled British national, Jeremy Duggan, who, as the official forensic evidence showed beyond doubt, threw himself repeatedly against moving automobiles on a highway near Wiesbaden."

Threw.Himself.Repeatedly......

@GoodRobotUs

You make very good points there man.

@GoodRobotUs

Also try the wikipedia article on La Rouche. I think it mentions their abusive brainwashing methods. Speaking of which, the La Rouche Youth are so brainwashed that you can pretty much see suds and bubbles dripping from their ears.

@JT
You conveniently forget that they took that part out (wait, addiction?) because they took it from your interview on Fox 3 hours after the tragedy, and realizing that you were talking out of your ass, took it out.

Yes the washington post totally reports that cho was addicted to counter-strike!:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/results.html?st=basic&uid=&MA...
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/results.html?st=basic&uid=&MA...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?st=cho+counterstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=cho+counter...

Only morons who can't find the source of phrases like art being that which is beautiful or true, or don't think you can be sued for someone posting under someone else's name on your blog, or you can't be arrested for asking someone if they have a dick in their ass wouldn't be able to find the Washinton Post's voluminous (that's a big word for gamers, it means Having great volume, fullness, size, or number) coverage of Cho's playing Counter-Strike

I concur. LaRouche's cult and their views are not notable or newsworthy.

Besides, when the next comet flies by, everyone but LaRouche will commit seppuku anyway...

... and Jacko will probably try to blame that on video games too.

@ Muetank

Don't even bother asking, there isn't any-- because it's all been covered up by the big bad game industry.

He's a nutjob and should be treated as such, stop asking him to explain things rationally.

"In fact, the Washington Post correctly reports that Cho was addicted to Counterstrike when he came to college. "

Let me make this simple for you.

THE
WASHINGTON
POST
RETRACTED
THAT
STATEMENT
BECAUSE
IT
WAS
ERRONEOUS




Actually studies, many of which are seriously flawed, only prove a weak correlation.


"The long-term deleterious (that’s a big word for gamers. it means harmful) effect of such games has been proven."


Once again you have no clue to the content of any of the reports that you supposedly read. Direct harmful damage would be indicative of a direct cause and effect relationship. These studies, many of which are seriously flawed, have only pointed to a correlation, not causality. Now break out your dictionary and look up "causality" and "correlation".

So once again you are wrong. Constantly stating the same wrong opinion over and over, without backing it up will not magically make it true. So back up your shit with verifiable facts, or go the hell away.


Now I see why you pussy out of every debate you are invited to. If you can't offer a counterpoint to a bunch of internet geeks, then well....

When are you going to ban this jackass Dennis? He's making it difficult to continue coming here.

Don't you love to watch desperate men cling to the most minute of straws?

Jack, supporting Lyndon Larouche is one of the dumbest things you can do. He's well documented as being crazy. This guy's done prison time for tax evasion! Why would you want to seem supportive of him? You don't want to get lumped in with the Larouche crowd.

@ Jack Thompson

It looks like you are acting like a coward since you cant answer any of the questions except you said that Cho played Counter Strike.

Guess what, millions of other people including middle school children are playing games like Counter Strike nonstop and are not in the newspapers.

Dont you get it, the main reasons reported about the case was that he was always getting rejected by students and when he came across a girlfriend he caught her with another male student.

This case is about the way people having been changing over the years when it comes to their attitude towards an innocent lonely person that had enough of getting rejected and messed with.

You do not want to face any of the facts except the same nonsense that you keep on saying over and over again that many people have proved that those same things you say are wrong.

Take Two would have enough stuff to go on to take you to court and take action against you if you keep causing trouble for their games.

Is Counterstrike like LSD where you can have flashbacks years later? I learn something every day.

@Jack Thompson

The Washington Post was in error. They were in error to anyone who knows more about Counterstrike than "you shoot weapons at people". Why?

MICROSOFT
DID
NOT
CREATE
COUNTERSTRIKE!!!!

They publish it for PCs, but they are not the creators of the game. Oh, and why are you suddenly saying LaRouche is "right" when you formerly said you have nothing to do with them? Bill O'Reilly would be shocked at your hypocrisy.

Oh, and would you please stop saying "Hooah"? Just because in a cap, you look much older, and the bag across your shoulder makes you look a little like a military man, doesn't mean you have the right to steal that phrase from them.

If humanity is worth a damn, JT will understand the Beatles reference I made in that last sentence.

But who am I kidding.

To GP:

I wasn't referring to Jack's connections, but rather to his extremely predictable habit of showing up right where you would expect him to.

No miscommunication, just a clarification!

GP: It's interesting that he has changed a little bit. Ever since he posted that shrink's report on himself he's been a little more...humorous.

Hey, Jack, do us a favor, instead of saying hooah to all your delusional rantings.... I mean, edicts from on high.... I mean, writings... just go to Camp Pendelton, Parris Island, or any other Marine base in the state of Florida, and call every hard charging, devil-dog Marine you see there 'Jarheads'. They'll love it, and make you popular with them, and help you in your crusade against video game violence. Also, don't forget to shout 'Hooah!' a lot when you are around them, it will let them know you support them.

@ Jack Thompson.

Actually Jack, as I've told you upwards of 40 times now, YOU are wrong, and both news agencies retracted their statements.

Which, once again, leaves you, good JackAss, with no fact. At all. Anywhere.

But I'm sure that the committee that did this fact finding study on the VTech shootings is part of the vast videogaming conspiracy, eh JT?

I'm going to send LaRouche an email like this through the tubes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ik_SQSllYG4

While LaDouche is painfully insane, I feel it IS important for GP to highlight what his group is up to.
We all know how a soundbite can be used to back up shaky statements, and the last thing we need are the JTs and the LaDouches of the world working as giant feedback loops supporting each other's bullshit.
The BS needs to be exposed - and for it to be exposed as BS, WE need to know about it.
Know thine enemy and all that ;)

ok, so apparently Jack Thompson isn't wise enough to stay away from the LaRouche cult.

"Both Harris and Klebold were fanatical users of violent video games such as 'Doom.' [They were also social outcasts who experienced daily abuse from classmates, with inattentive parents, teachers, and faculty, angry and intense atheistic and racist beliefs, and easy access to firearms.]

The VA Tech report touches on number of issues which could come out in full, in legal proceedings. These include Cho’s mental history, which was not made known to the University, and his [apparent in-]addiction to killer video games [which was actually commented on by his peers as being strange, as many of them played videogames regularly]."

Fixed for accuracy.

if you want to talk about big words thompson, you are undeniably, indescernably concieted, as well as being the biggest most arrogant, Ignorant, and obviously superficial "attorney" I have ever heard of.

@blackice

you rip your damn tongue out now!!

we allready have to apologize to the rest of the world enough as is

@Nathan

Stop getting your blood pressure up arguing at Jack. He knows the statement is false, and he's simply trolling. Let me put it banner style:

JACK
THOMPSON
IS
A
LIAR

And let's leave it at that.

"Turns out that Cho did a short story based, apparently, on Grand Theft Auto, AND his computer hard drive is still missing never found. So all of this crap about how his computer had no video games on it is just that: crap."

I'm assuming the GTA short story would be this one: -

"He and the “gothic girl” drive to her home in a stolen car. “If I get stopped by a cop my life will be forever over. A stolen car, two hand guns, and a sawed off shotgun.” At her house, she retrieves “a .8 caliber automatic rifle and a M16 machine gun.” The story concludes with the line “You and me. We can fight to claim our deserving throne.”

As a person who has played GTA 1, GTA 3, GTA Vice City and GTA San Andreas, and have no urge to commit any criminal acts that are depicted in any of these games (although I may be guilty of a little speeding, curse that extra 1 mph over the limit!), I do no recollect anything like this happening in the GTA series. It has nothing to do with organised crime which is the basis of the GTA series (mafia, gang wars, triads). To me it reads more like he wants to go out in a blaze of glory just like Thelma and Louise, although to be fair as I've only caught small portions of the movie I cannot justifiable compare the film and Cho's short story.

Also, I'm slightly confused about that you are employing Mr Jack Thompson. If a computer has no hard drive, a computer in fact has nothing on it... which means... no video games. Exactly how is that "crap"?

Lets see here:


Page 32: "Sun and her parents recall that Cho seemed to be
doing better. He was enrolled in a Tae Kwon Do
program for awhile, watched TV, and played video
games like Sonic the Hedgehog. None of the video
games were war games or had violent themes."

Oops, no that doesn't support your claim Jack. Lets keep going shall we?

Page 32: "I like to listen to talk shows and alternative
stations, and I like action movies…My favorite
movie is X-Men, favorite actor is Nicolas
Cage, favorite book is Night Over Water, favorite
band is U2, favorite sport is basketball,
favorite team is Portland Trailblazers, favorite
food is pizza, and favorite color is green."

Peculiar his supposed addiction to games you mentioned isn't mentioned in his interests now isn't it? You think that would be the first thing to be mentioned wouldn't you? Carrying on.

Page 34:
"His tested IQ was above average."

I just tossed this one in for the hell of it. Since you think we was a gamer, but also since you think that gamers are mentally hobbled with your bullshit "frontal lobe" based insults.


Page 42:
"Cho’s roommate never saw him play video games."

Still have nothing here Jack.

Page 50:

"Several writings by Cho in Hicok’s
class were produced, one of which is of particular
significance. It tells the story of a
morning in the life of Bud “who gets out of bed
unusually early…puts on his black jeans, a
strappy black vest with many pockets, a black
hat, a large dark sunglasses [sic] and a flimsy
jacket….” At school he observes “students
strut inside smiling, laughing, embracing each
other….A few eyes glance at Bud but without
the glint of recognition. I hate this! I hate all
these frauds! I hate my life….This is it….This
is when you damn people die with me.…” He
enters the nearly empty halls “and goes to an
arbitrary classroom….” Inside “(e)veryone is
smiling and laughing as if they’re in heavenon-
earth, something magical and enchanting
about all the people’s intrinsic nature that
Bud will never experience.” He breaks away
and runs to the bathroom “I can’t do this.…I
have no moral right.…” The story continues by
relating that he is approached by a “gothic
girl.” He tells her “I’m nothing. I’m a loser. I
can’t do anything. I was going to kill every god
damn person in this damn school, swear to
god I was, but I…couldn’t. I just couldn’t.
Damn it I hate myself!” He and the “gothic
girl” drive to her home in a stolen car. “If I get
stopped by a cop my life will be forever over. A
stolen car, two hand guns, and a sawed off
shotgun.” At her house, she
retrieves “a .8 caliber automatic rifle and a
M16 machine gun.” The story concludes with
the line “You and me. We can fight to claim
our deserving throne.”


Well one line mentions a "stolen car", but that is hardly indicative at all of the Game Grand Theft Auto by Take-Two now isn't it? As a lawyer, even one as bad as you are, you would have to realize that that as evidence wouldn't hold up in any court in the world.


Page 51: "Cho went to bed early and got up early, so
his roommate just left him alone and gave him his
space. The only activities Cho engaged in were
studying, sleeping, and downloading music. He
never saw him play a video game, which he
thought strange since he and most other students
play them."

Gee, the gamers didn't kill anyone, but the one non-gamer did. Fancy that.




Face it old man. You are grasping at straws at this point, and there aren't many straws left. You are just pissed off that the biggest shooting, therefore the biggest potential boost to your wasted career didn't have evidence in your favor. The "big one" got away. Deal with it.

Jack Thompson wrote: "In fact, the Washington Post correctly reports that Cho was addicted to Counterstrike when he came to college."

Please provide a primary source qualifying the fact that the Post is, in fact, factually correct. 'I said so' is not an acceptable qualifier for a secondary source like a couple newspaper reports you cherry-pick.

In my line of work, if I justified a professional attitude based on cherry-picked information, my career would stagnate, and I'd likely be fired sooner rather than later. I'd bring my boss a nice Fox News report showing that lumber and pulp&paper are both great and the economy is doing fine, so I should get some nice big capital expenditures this year, and I probably wouldn't get any capital.

If your professional use of information is as haphazard as your use of it in public polemic, it's obvious why you've got such a poor record winning cases; If I was a judge or jury member, and you countered people citing a government report with a couple newspaper articles, qualifying their authority with the statement that "They correctly state the facts", you'd lose all credibility.

If you want to try building a case, build a case. Gather primary facts (Along the way, explain why violent crime in the US has halved since the release of Wolfenstein 3d(DoJ reports confirm) and how your characterisation of video games as causing an epidemic of violence fit within this dramatic decrease in violent crime).

Until you actually form a solid argument based on solid primary facts, it's just "your word vs. their word", and I'm not sure how you think you'll be able to advance your cause or gain sympathy among the unconvinced with petty arguing.