Hey Kingdom hearts 1 and 2 were awesome games and they werent rated M


well i give it maybe 3 hours before nutcase jack shows up

"Three, there is a portion (though I’m not sure how large it is) of the gaming population who equates things that don’t have an M-Rating with being stupid or childish. These are, frankly, idiots who think that, say Mario or Rachet’n'Clank are inferior simply becasue they lack blood and guts."


I wouldn't say they are superior, but some of them are good in a different but equal way. I like games such as Trauma Center: Second Option and Super Paper Mario. But I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone. I need sometimes grittier, mature games such as Half-Life 2, S.t.a.l.k.e.r and Silent Hill. They have an atmosphere that just wouldn't be possible to weave without blood and guts.

This is not suprising. Games made for ADULTS (The largest majority of gamers) will sell better with ADULTS (See above) then saaaay Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Mainly because games for kids will sell if they can shoot and fart. Games for adults need at least playable controls and a storyline to keep playing.

Not terribly surpising really. Like Unrated said most of those games are made and marketed towards adults. It makes sense that they would be the top sellers.

That being said I'm not really looking forward to any of those listed, well except for Rock Band.

i dont see why some view the fact that M rated games are the most popular of the bunch as a bad thing. people are not going to sit around and watch/play sesame street stuff all their lives. as people get older, they get attracted to more adult-oriented material. there isnt anything wrong with that.

also factor in that an M-rated game won't pull as many punches, it can lead to a better script or include better action sequences..

would you go see Bringing out the Dead or Die Hard if they were PG? likely not.

I think that it's a common misconception that the vast majority of games available today are aimed at children. Most top selling console games today are aimed at the Adult market rather than the younger market, purely because of the sensationalist appeal.

Mature games appealing to adults? Wow.

Well, considering the 18 - 25 crowd has the most discretionary income of the game purchasing age brackets, this does not surprise me.

Well of course they are.
People like realism, or at least things that are closer to it. Not that games really go there, but generally, the closer you get to depicting how people actually act and what things are really like in the real world, the harsher it will be rated.
Think of comparing a game with a single extremely realistic murder/ combat death that depicts the whole horrible process versus some mindless drone killing, ala Perfect Dark.

People like sincerity, censors apparently don't.

How soon before we hear "because they're being marketed to kids, HOOAH!!!

At the risk of disagreeing with the majority - I don't buy m-rated games because they're m-rated, personally, I haven't paid attention to the ratings in years. The ESRB only really appeared as a regulatory body when I was in college, that was back in my Sega Genesis days. Back then I thought the ratings were kinds funny - but I'd already left 17 behind like 3 years back. Was early 90's.

I can honestly say, I buy what I'm interested in - I haven't so much as blinked at a rating in years. That's kind of where my - it's just a coincidence theory falls apart really. As I've gotten older my tastes have kind of changed/evolved. It's no guarantee that I'll automatically be interested in a M-rated game, but it's a pretty good bet that I don't indulge in many t rated's. Driving/racing games are as close as I get really. Other then that, I'm tending to gravitate towards a different kind of experience. XBLA is proof of that. They'll release ROM's of games I used to be mega into. I'll download it thinking - OH, WOW, I USED TO THINK this was COOOL.... and it turns into...ug... I used to think this was cool....

The more I think about this - yeah, you guys are probably right. It's probably not just a coincidence.

Oh man, you shouldn't do that, they say if you say his name three times in a mirror, he appears!

There's another reason I'm not surprised, which I didn't see in the above comments or in GP's article.

There are a huge, literally numerically amazing, number of games out there. Of them:

Every movie has at least one 'game of the movie' these days. Quite a lot of these 'games of the movies' are targeted at younger children.

Every successful Cartoon franchise has a 'game of the cartoon'. Even Dora, the world famous explorer you know, has video games now. Pokemon is not an exception to this rule.

Every successful "toy" franchise has a 'game of the toy'. Sure, LEGO star wars was good - but it was an exception to the rule. For every LEGO star wars, there are a multitude of Barbie Horse Adventure games.

If you've stopped to try playing any of them? They pretty much all suck. Badly. It shouldn't surprise us that they don't (always) sell well.

They exist, and continue to exist, because bad games riding off the IP of even good movies will always be profitable - bad games are cheap.

So yes, it's clearly true that the video game industry markets games to children. Just not in M-rated titles!


Also...maybe we should ask ourselves why or if many T rated games exist based upon the IP of R rated movies. As I am human, I'm tempted to detect some causality here, but without some sort of evidence that would be a Jackass' mistake.

As an example, Peter Jackson's King Kong: Movie: PC-13. Game: E-T (10+). This is an example of a good game, even, but how does the game make 3 years' difference in the suitability of the subject matter?

I'm sorry Timmy, you can play the game, but you can't watch the movie.

quick someone lock the door and close the shades

@ hilaryduffgta

Bingo. Being M doesn't automatically make a game good, and it doesn't have to be M to be good. But if it IS rated M, it means there's a notable degree of extra freedom for the devs to work with. That can make it more mature, more robust, more appealing to the masses.

Think about it in terms of our favorite parallel, the movies. The vast majority of G rated movies out there (especially if they're not animated...) are complete and utter crap. Completely. There are elements you just can't include in the 'lower' rated games/movies that can help advance the story, be it through language, or some visceral scene of violence, or just the discussion of adult themes.

We don't continue to live in a kiddy world when we grow up, so we prefer movies that have grown up, too. They may not be great movies, but if they're that much closer to "reality", we get much better immersion. And face it, reality is definitely rated M or AO.

The fact that M-Rated games are top sellers doesn't surprise me for four reasons:

One, the BIG games, the ones that always sell million of copies to both hardocre and casual gamers, are almost always M Rated. Those are your Resident Evils, Halos and your Grand Theft Autos, Gears of War, God of War. These games sell very well because they're GOOD, and happen to be M-Rated.

Two, as stated earlier, many M-Rated games are better becasue the developers essentially get free reign to produce an innovated quality title. Hence things like The Darkness on 360 and Devil May Cry on PS2. Compare this to many E and T rated games where there's a constraint like a liscence or a 'for the kids' mandate. Instead of being innovative and finding a way to do something fun in that framework (Viewtiful Joe) they make a lazy game that won't sell to anybody but the fans. (See most any game based on a cartoon)

Three, there is a portion (though I'm not sure how large it is) of the gaming population who equates things that don't have an M-Rating with being stupid or childish. These are, frankly, idiots who think that, say Mario or Rachet'n'Clank are inferior simply becasue they lack blood and guts. (That's not to say you're an idiot for disliking them for other reasons.) This set has nothing in common other than an immature need to prove howe mature they are by playing violent games, and can fall into any actual age group.

Four, adults have more money than kids.

Meh, I just love the expresion on the cashier's face when I put Pokemon: diamond on the counter and asked to pre-order Halo 3 and Bioshock. Priceless...

And on this, duh. M Rated games have more freedom, more of an open canvas than T or E rated games. Never have I played a truly solid E rated game. Oddly enough, from my personal experience, a truly compeling story seems to automatically get a game a T or M rating. I've run into a few short-time amusment games that were E rated, but that's about it.

What about Brawl, that is the single and only reason that I am going to get a Wii (that and twilight princess, although I could care less about some of the other games).

Anyway if M games are the highest sellers, then maybe we can use this to motivate people to pressure the ESRB.

[...] Rated “M” for Big Sales Published September 13th, 2007 ratings , games GamePolitics tells us: a new study shows that, while M-rated games are a fraction of total games released, they generally are rated higher and sell better than their less-rated cousins. I think what gets ignored in the knee-jerk analysis (OMG games are making kids into killers) is that there’s actually a much smaller market for M-rated games and that, if you are going to release one, you are generally going to make it very, very good. Also, if you can afford to allow a game to get an M rating it is also probably an established franchise–one you would be willing to risk such a rating on–and that helps sales along. A final reason is probably simply that first-person shooter titles are simply in vogue, and it’s hard to do one convincingly–that is to say, one that doesn’t seem cheerily insensitive to the horror of violence– and stay in T territory. When first-person shooters fall out of the market’s favor, they’ll fall out of prominence in sales charts, along with M-rated games in general… and I don’t believe that FPS games are popular simply because “the market likes gore,” considering the amount of control and, by extension, empowerment one gains from controlling one’s aim and one’s body movement separately. It allows for a much wider gamut of difficulty and choice than, say, “do I jump on the Goomba, or over it?” [...]

[...] via GamePolitics [...]

[...] M-rated video games are best-sellers and critically-acclaimed. [...]

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