Destructoid Calls GP...

September 27, 2007 -
...the Daily Kos of the Mushroom Kingdom in a piece written by Nex on GP's Wednesday story about military recruiters using the Halo 3 launch to attract teens.

Hey, GP is a bit left of center, but not Daily Kos left.

Still, a good line and we had a larf over it.

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Destructoid rocks. We love you, GP. :)

Destructoid is more like like sunday sport.

Apparently, they are the same morons that don't want military recruiters on high school and college campuses...

Funny, I always considered this website to be more libertarian. Wouldn't being far left require supporting state control over what content can be sold to whom?

That's odd. I seem to recall that more than a few of the "anti-game" laws were purposed or supported by members of the left-wing. I also seem to recall that GP absolutely hates those laws. Does that make Dennis a self-hating liberal?

Dear Destructoid,

Kotaku is still much cooler than you are and poking at GP won't change that.

- RadarX

I'm fairly conservative myself and I don't find this site or it's news even remotely leaning left.

The thing that always gets me is that people bitch and moan whenever they see the military saying "we have the same market as ....."

18-24 year old males like video games. 18-24 year old males make up the bulk of the enlisted armed forces. The minors could soon be 18-24 and the military was there to improve their image so when those minors came of age they might have joined up.

Interestingly, nobody ever says a bulk word to other advertisers. Nor do they bitch at car dealers who get 18 year olds to take 6 year variable rate loans out on cars they cant afford. Or credit companies that prey on the stupid. People make it seem so bad to end up in the military, when you get at least 2 years of health insurance, steady income, education assistance, housing, and other things paid for, and leave with a skillset or trade.

Destructiod is the mentally retarded janitor of the Mushroom Kingdom.

There was no malice in the article Nex wrote. I'm quite sure that was not his intention. Beyond that, what's with all the hate on Destructoid? I've always found their articles for the most part well written and funny.

It's one thing to hate, but it's another thing to state why you hate.

Yeah, I agree, GP tends to come off as more libertarian than anything. And from what I can tell, coming off as libertarian is kind of like coming off as leaning somewhat to the left, but only just a little, and you're also not completely insane like Hillary.

Oni:

Basically I think the hate is because Jim Sterling takes over where Robert Summa left off. A couple of sad little attention seekers who bait fanboys (not that difficult really) in order to generate traffic on their site.

Plus, are we really meant to take them seriously as journalists when they turn up to gaming industry conventions wearing the same daft bloody robot head and taking photos of all the 'booth babes'?

@Gameboy

I have no idea what the definition of "liberal" or "conservative" is anymore. Personally I lean to the left more than most people I know, where I do think that the state should have control over certain things (like utilities and public health services, but that's another story). But any time I hear a democrat on tv going on about censorship for protection, or increased restrictions on gun sales, or anything that unnecessarily restricts individual rights, I have an urge to hit something. Stupid worthless party...

I was brought up thinking that Liberalism had to do with upholding individual rights, but needing the state to ensure that no one's rights are trampled. But, frankly, do so-called liberals with power ever do that anymore? Once you tell people what rights aren't allowed for their own good, you fail. So that definition's either dead, or there are just no real liberals anymore.

I'd say that almost all politicians with any power are Communitarians these days, whatever -wing they belong to. There's no way GP is in support of that philosophy.

@Benji

I'm pretty sure neoconservatism has moved the political spectrum so far to the right, that any libertarians are gonna look like left of center, however conservative they also are.

I guess this is another example of a light hearted joke failing over the internet. I read the article and could tell no malice was intended, he was just trying to be funny. Destructoid tends to exaggerate statements to get a laugh. Not sure what's so wrong with that.

I agree that a lot of fanboys are easily baited with some of their articles, but i still find the majority well written and entertaining......er, at least entertaining.

"Plus, are we really meant to take them seriously as journalists when they turn up to gaming industry conventions wearing the same daft bloody robot head and taking photos of all the ‘booth babes’?"

I'm desperately trying to figure out what one thing has to do with the other. I suppose if we were to wear a fedora that says "press" on it, we'd have a better shot of being taken "seriously." I'll take it into consideration if it means you'll subscribe to our RSS feed.

I think you should wear a robot head that says "press" on it. Best of both worlds!

First, I'm damn glad you guys saw that.

Second, the comment wasn't a "this is how leftist GP is", it was a "GP has attained this level of political discussion as regards video games". Left or not, Kos has a huge readership and has become rather influential.

I've been reading GP AND Destructoid (as well as listening to their podcast) for ages now so I've gotta say that this knee-jerk GP fanboyism's kinda odd. Destructoid has their shtik they do well, GP has theirs.

Both site's are excellent at what they do, so maybe you guys who are slamming Destructoid should actually READ the article in question before attacking Nex or the rest of site. GP has a (well earned) reputation as the hub for videogame related social and POLITICAL news, pointing that out isn't a slam.

Wow, amazing to see my name mentioned. Yep, I'm totally the new Bobby Summa and such ill-conceived accusations did not get old back in May.

Anyway, whatever the readers think, I'm a massive fan of GamePolitics and am glad to see they notice us.

Joke \Joke\, n. [L. jocus. Cf Jeopardy, Jocular, Juggler.]

1. Something said for the sake of exciting a laugh; something witty or sportive (commonly indicating more of hilarity or humor than jest); a jest; a witticism; as, to crack good-natured jokes.

2. Something not said seriously, or not actually meant; something done in sport.

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The air forces target audience is the same as that of the video game Halo 3 release. Why is that might you ask? Halo 3 is Rated 'M' that means 17+ exactly the people that has been the military's target audience for ages. Did they let people under 18 in by the air force? Hell yes, the recruiters start talking to you when you are 16 and you can sign the papers when you are 17 to join. How is this a surprise to people?

Weatherlight, if you feel like commenting on the actual article, I suggest you do so there instead of the article talking about another news site.

I never had an issue with the Destructoid article, sorry if it came off that way. I was just enjoying a discussion on what kind of political leaning does exist on GP.

Lets just say the Neo parties (the newest evolution of each) are out to lie and pander to for votes till they can get into office and do their friends favors the Neo cons have been polishing it the alst couple of decades now the dems are out to perfect humping logic with a dead horse.

what i got out of the story was that the government was letting minors play M rated games, while they are trying to make laws to stop them. that's what jumped out at me.

the military part didn't jump out at me as much as the hypocrisy. it didn't seem like it was leaning to the left to me, and i'm republican.

i guess it's how you look at it.

Jim Sterling:

It wasn't just the accusations that got old back in May. Cheap articles and cheap shots is pretty much all I read followed by a compulsive need to seek Diggs. Okay so maybe the Summa comparison was a little harsh, afterall you at least bait all the fanboys equally, but it was still the same old same old.

And yes, I get that Destructoid is being 'amusing' in its style and isn't to be taken entirely seriously, but that sort of humour does have a lifespan... I think we both agreed on May?

it is my thought that comparing GP to kos was not ment in a negative way, it could be considered an insult or even a compliment by people depending on their political background

since the daily kos is a recognizable name in political blogs it is easy to compare us to a well known source, if they were to name lesser political blogs, their message may be lost. i believe they are simply saying that we are ploitical, not hold the same political values

where it gets lost in translation is when people leaning to the right hear that GP is compared to the kos, since the kos is a left leaning blog, they would see this as an insult to their beloved GP. but on the flip side a left leaning individual could see GP compared to the kos as a compliment if they were to see the kos as a positive blog

but then again, this is just my interpretation, so i could be full of crap

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Andrew EisenAnd exacerbating everything is the fact that all the cries of ethics violations have been obnoxious and easily proven false.09/18/2014 - 8:59pm
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KronoThat's been the common refrain, that talk of journalism ethics is just an excuse to harass people.09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoLines like "like a partial compromise with the howling trolls who’ve latched onto ‘ethics’ as the latest flag in their onslaught against evolution and inclusion." are taring everyone questioning the ethics as a harasser.09/18/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Except, none of the articles were talking about gamers complaining about journalist ethics, let alone called them white male misogynists. They were talking about the gamers who were harassing others.09/18/2014 - 8:36pm
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