Banned in Australia: Soldier of Fortune Payback
Banned in Australia: Soldier of Fortune Payback
October 18, 2007
Australian website The Age is reporting that first-person shooter Soldier of Fortune: Payback has been refused classification Down Under, effectively banning the game.The smack-down was issued to the Activision release by Australia's Office of Film & Literature Classification (OFLC), which has previously dropped the hammer on a number of games, including Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure.
From The Age:
The ban comes at a time when the Interactive Entertainment Association of Australia is stepping up its campaign for the introduction of an R18+ classification as the country heads towards next month's federal election.
The IEAA says Australia is the only developed democracy in the world without a R18+ classification for games, ensuring titles which exceed the limits of the MA15+ category are refused classification and banned from sale.
UPDATE: The Melbourne Herald-Sun has more, including comment from the OFLC:
“(The decision was based on) the different ways a player could maim and injure (other characters),” the spokeswoman said.
“The violence is seen to exceed the MA classification.”
The Classification Board Report explains that “the limbs may be shot off, resulting in large amounts of blood spray and the depiction of torn flesh and protruding bone from the dismembered limb”.
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Posted 11/07/09 at 04:27pm
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:26pm
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:23pm
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
Posted 11/07/09 at 03:34pm
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:30am
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
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But now that it's banned somewhere, it's bound to be a hit everywhere else.
Basically, it's just like the last SoF game, just with better graphics.
GTA: SA is still on sale in Australia.
Jusst thought I'd let you know.
Isn't that what usually happens in those type of games?
- Warren Lewis
I've read elsewhere that there is an 18 rating for movies, so why not apply it to games too?
large amount of blood and gore. I think it deserves an R18. But since
we don't have one down here the only option is to not rate it.
I am more interested to see if it will be reconsidered if an R18 rating
is introduced.
-Twixn-
From the trailer, it does seem to have a lot of gibbing and high levels of blood.
Just a pitty we don't have that R18 rating yet
No they're not.
But having played them, this has FAR more blood, and looks far more realistic.
And just to jump in here before people start hurling abuse at the wrong people, the OFLC (who gave the Refused Classification) have their hands tied in this matter.
It's either MA15+ or this. Thats their only choices on the matter
Course I don't like games that are too violent and bloody, but you see how I'm not telling everyone that they should all conform to my personal standards? I'm looking at YOU Jack.
@Bloodharp - Yes, an M rating is appropriate for 17+ according to the ESRB.
Good: OFLC upholding the concept of a rating system is all that is needed to regulate the sale of games to people under the appropriate age
Bad: The lack of an 18+ rating that MIGHT allow the sale of said game.
Some of you forget: even if an 18+ rating comes to exist, it might still be refused sale at the whim of the powers that be. Also, "The Big 3" could treat an 18+ rating from the OFLC just like the AO rating from the ESRB.
So It doesn't effect me.
Though we really do need a new rating system down here.
The two highest ratings we have for games are:
M15+ and MA15+
Kind of stupid that they're loosely equivalent to America's 13+ and 17+ ratings if you look at what games get rated by either of them.
P.S. - Australia needs a R18+ rating for games really fast. Is there anyway you Aussies can challenge the lack of this rating in Australia. Doesn't Australia have anything like the U.S. Constitution or the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom.
I'm pretty sure the last few soldiers of fortune had been banned in Aussie land.
So essentially, gamers over 15 in Australia are preemptively and permanently fucked over by a lazy rating system.
Wow. If Crocodile Dundee could see those guys now.
Considering getting some friends together to write some letters in regards to the need for an 18+ rating. I can see what will happen though.
Five seconds after we get our rating Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will declare no 18+ games on their systems.
Look at the freaking picture for the article. The game already has an M rating.
Anyway, just another ban as a result of a crippled system. Let's just hope it gets the go ahead in Eurpoe too.
Look at the freaking picture for the article. The game already has an M rating.
Anyway, just another ban as a result of a crippled system. Let's just hope it gets the go ahead in Eurpoe too.
People think the ESRB is broken, but compared to Australia's OFLC its a dream. I've never heard of the ESRB refusing a rating (they get paid to assign a rating so they have to). If its decided to alter or add to the ESRB rating system, no politician with a stick in his rectum can decide he knows better.
Face the facts, the OFLC is a truly broken and fractured system. Any system that does not contain the ability to rate the material that is submitted to it is not doing its job. We call that incompetence. So, our friends "down under," rise up and demand a R18+ rating for video games.
Considering getting some friends together to write some letters in regards to the need for an 18+ rating. I can see what will happen though.
Five seconds after we get our rating Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will declare no 18+ games on their systems.
If that happens then think of all the games that will be banned in Europe. 0_0
I hope the Board never watches that one scene from "Braveheart"... or that 1920's picnic from Monty Python where everyone dies... ;)
Or even, god forbid, Saving Private Ryan.
Perhaps.
But Manhunt 2 is probably going to blow also, as Manhunt 1 was boring as hell. But I still don't agree with Sony and Nintendo kowtowing to hearse chasing lawyers, fear mongering lawyers and fear mongered soccer mom groups by forcing Rockstar to censor Manhunt 2.
Just because you aren't going to buy a game is no reason not to defend it.
I don't see a problem with being able to do all that, it's just a game after all :) .
I dunno, looks good. I doubt it will have anything resembling a story though.
Exactly. The BBFC is just about the most humane board you'll ever find. The others are just so bloody tight..
Aus needs a 18+ age level its silly to think they they would not.
And, just because you won't buy a game doesn't mean no one else will. When I was reading Customers Suck, I had read of at least one instance where a customer wanted a game yanked off of shelves because they didn't like it.
That about sums up Soldier of Fortune 2. Lots of action, gibbing, and the motion sickness inducing corridors, but the plots was thiner than a weak soup.
Personally I always thought the level of gore in the SoW series was just a little way too over the top. But if it wasn't for that it would just be some generic shooter that looks like every other counter-intelligence shoot-fest on the market.
R18+ would be nearest to the US M
That's just silly, and sad for their domestic gaming industry as well as their gamers.
October 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Well, they don’t have as much freedom as we do in Austrailia. If the government doesn’t like something, then they censor it from the everyone. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
Uhh I'd hate to break it to you, but thats the way it is in every country. There's not a single country on Earth where censorship laws don't exist. On freedom and quality of life indexes Australia has consistently been rated above he USA so I would do a little research before speaking if I was you. You're probably the kind of retarded individual who thinks Australia is a 3rd world country where people ride Kangaroos to work. The system in AU is fucked but the US has far more serious problems so I wouldn't go prancing around telling everybody how free and perfect America is.
Ross, I know its not a third world country where people ride kangaroos to work. Although, I would like to ride a kangaroo to work, now that the idea has been mentioned.
In all fairness, who takes these freedom and quality of life indexes? Give me the hard statistics, rather than the final product.
I'd say we're more free in America than in Australia, though you may have a slightly higher quality of life (because, if memory serves, you have socialized healthcare).
Yes we do have a public health care system, but i don't think that Australia is any less free than the United States. Whilst I am opposed to the lack of R18+ rating, I am also aware that if such a rating existed that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would probably refuse to license content for it, most likely saying the same thing they do for the AO rating in the US.
@Ross
Yon need to calm the hell down, there is nothing wrong with stating an opinion based upon the facts represented in this article. As I recall Manhunt 2 got the AO rating in the US but was completely banned here, which indicates to me that it might be a fair assessment to say that the US does have more freedoms (even though I think they are about the same...)
And before anyone starts complaining that I am biased, I would just like to say that I am both a US and Australian citizen and have lived in Australia for over 15 years, so i do have some idea of what I'm talking about...
Second of all, 18+ games are commonly sold in the UK & across Europe so your point is totally moot. Again, do some bloody research. The world is a big place and not everywhere operates in the same way North America does.
You don't like pushy Americans, we get the point. Can we jump back on topic now please? :)
@Gameboy:
The OFLC is not broken, it is doing exactly what is supposed to do. Unfortunately, our politicians' perception of games is what's broken. As has been mentioned before, there was a resounding 'yes' for an R18+ rating for games, but it was blocked by the AG and so has gone absolutely nowhere.
There is considerable pressure from us and the Australian Games Developers groups to push the R18+ rating, but until we have it we are basically boned in terms of buying Australian releases of especially violent games.
Luckily, we can still import and legally download them. :)
As soon as you ban something, people will want it just because it's banned and will go to any length to get it (think the prohibition and the moonshine runners).
This may be true, but in all fairness, at least I'm not on the internet being an over-reactive asshole.
@Black Patriot
I think that the more AO style ratings there are, the more likely that companies will license its materials.
Another thing.
The statistician's creed is "in God we trust; all others bring data." This means that until I see the numbers involved in a statistic (especially ones like you mentioned) I don't believe in it anymore than I do Global Warming.
Actually, I think prohibition was ignored because it attacked a cornerstone of life that has been around for thousands of years.
Prohibition was a terrible puritanical idea that was pushed through and made an amendment without any real thought. It gave rise to the Mafia, and also made some families rich (I had a great-grandmother that sold Dandelion Wine to Al Capone and used the profit to finance the local VFA outpost). But overall, it just showed that Americans won't give up our liquor anytime soon.
Prostitution is leagle for the msot part its not a automatic feb ban, the states of coarse side with banning out of fear of not looking family friendly, and thats been the main problem its like life is not family friendly lets ban life.....
Austin Lewis
the rules/laws to alcohol is just as anal,take TN for example you cant have it shipped to you unless you pay a 100$ in a yearly luxury tax, that breaks just enough other laws that some places have started shipping into TN but they are hard to find.
Here ya go then:
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24023
2007 press freedom index, Australia ranks at 28, while the USA ranks at 48. Australia outranks the USA by exactly 20 places.
http://www.internationalliving.com/issues/2007/2007_article.html
Again Australia outranks the USA.
Germany outranks the USA too, a place where they've not only banned the book Mein Kampf which dictated policy for the better part of a decade, but actually banned discussion of it or the holocaust.
Also, it appears that this is based on what country allows them to operate and where they don't experience any 'censorship' or 'violence' for reporting.
So what are the parameters for violence? Censorship is a government run program; therein, a drunken jackass hitting you isn't censorship; it's you being in the wrong place in the wrong time.
And France is the best place to live eh?
7. France is known for quality, reliability, and productivity.
Yeah, things like that make me think that this whole thing is bullshit too.
France's workforce is filled with pissed off unions, much like many other countries. It's been long years since they produced something worth owning.
"Before I go further, I should explain, especially for new readers (welcome!), what we're doing here. Eleven months of the year, we consider the countries around the world where you could live cheaper, pay less tax, enjoy better weather, take advantage of opportunities in emerging markets…places where you could start a new life, start a business, start over…"
France is expensive, prone to summers hot enough for the French populace to die out, and a terrible place for a business. Kinda like Russia in that last respect.
This whole thing seems like it lacked any actual research and was based on 'feeling', which is a terrible basis for anything.
So, Australia outranking the USA in 2 articles that appear to lack any factual backing means jack shit.
Good luck, and good night.
The first article is based on the freedom of the independently owned company Reporters Without Borders to operate with government cooperation and without violent incidents. It has nothing to do with that country's press being free; it has to do with an independent press company being free to piss people off. They hung out in North Carolina snoopin around military bases until they were told to fuck off, part of the reason I'm sure we got burned to below Australia. Oh no, some no-name company doesn't like us! Boohoo. You misrepresented this study, and therein have neutered your 'Australia is more Free' argument.
How could you not look at the second article and tell its bullshit? France, the best place in the world to live?
"Before I go further, I should explain, especially for new readers (welcome!), what we're doing here. Eleven months of the year, we consider the countries around the world where you could live cheaper, pay less tax, enjoy better weather, take advantage of opportunities in emerging markets…places where you could start a new life, start a business, start over…"
So, a country where you pay higher taxes than America for the same tax bracket, suffer from heat that kills the populace, and have kids rioting in the streets is better than other countries? Haha.
But where it really shows that its bullshit is right here;
7. France is known for quality, reliability, and productivity.
Yeah, bullshit. They're known for producing shoddy crap, at higher cost than China, and they're known for Union Stirkes that result in burning cars, which the workers of France have down to a science.
So, outranking America in two surveys that are completely baseless bullshit opinions means jack shit. Come back with some better stats, or fuck off.
Legal prostitution but you can't play violents. Actually that's not a bad trade.
Personally I can't wait for this game. I was afraid it was going to suck being made by activision's value dept. Video game me a goregasm. Now they need to give it an SDK so I can make my Saw mod.
And yet Soldier of Fortune will not be banned in the USA.
Shut up. I don't want you on my side of this argument.
The Australian police are decent blokes who'll give you a fair shake, much unlike police in many big cities around the globe.
How bout you just go bullshit yourself into obscurity like Jack Thompson.
@Erik
Read my response for the debunking of these statistics.
Too bad, you already had it.
Considering the censorship system in Australia by itself, I think that it is fairly safe to say that the Australian police are obviously paternalistic facist pigs who shove their bullshit perception of morality down the throats of free citizens. How about you concede to the point that the goverment is mentally raping an individual's autnonomy and freedom to judge an object as moral?
So yeah, Australian friends, I hope you enjoy living in a country where the goverment dictates your moral values and intellectual opinions through censorship.
Good day.
Go preach your bullshit elsewhere; it has long been obvious that people in this country don't buy it.
"Classification is mandatory, and movies that are refused classification by the OFLC are banned for sale, hire, public exhibition or importation into Australia. It is illegal to possess content that has been Refused Classification."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Classification_Code
and the OFLC doesn't work its a purely political unit with members appointed by the current party holding the lower house (for those paying attention from other countries we currently have the Liberal party in power(a rather conservative group) ) further to this the review board is appointed by the PM
What we need is that the AGs and the politicans around australia need to get their head out of the septic tank and make an r18 rating for all media
then have the oflc to deal with the normal stuff and if they cannot find a rating to give it hand it to the AU senate and lets have a 2/3rds majority required to block it else “adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want” ( http://www.ag.gov.au/www/attorneygeneralHome.nsf/Alldocs/68134EF3E9BCA81... )
The Australian Police force is just about the best you're going to find. And I mean that.
@Austin Lewis
I would just like to extend your second sentence to the following: Go prech your bullshit elsewhere; it has long been obvious that people in neither the US, nor Britain, nor anywhere else for that matter, don't buy it.
You're dictating your moral values onto us. The good bit is, you don't have the authority.
True, and in turn, let me add to yours my good man.
You're dictating your moral values onto us. The good bit is, you don't have the power nor the authority to do so.
That didn't really add much.
I know. But I like to make it clear that I think very little of him.
Join the club. The NTA (No Trolls Association).
Soldier of Fortune: Blackwater
1. Respect another persons right to autonomy and self-choice.
I doubt you can abstract this same value on superstitious, bible-thumping, pigs. It's almost obscene how much people strawman, misinterprut, and denounce my arguments.
I guess such is the after effect of religious indoctrination and a society that does not fairly critique religious hate.
What I don't respect is when somebody (ie. YOU, Pandralisk) shoves their ideals down someone else's throat, and then tear down the people who don't agree with you.
That is why I don't respect you.
And apparently, you don't follow your own moral values.
"Actually rereading this I saw they also banned Contents Under Pressure, what’s up with that? Was it because it was about graffiti or what?"
Officially yes, but I say it was because the Australian OFLC has trouble Getting it Up.
You act as though censorship is non-existent in the USA, are you really that blind & ignorant? Hey at least we can show a boobs on TV without the entire population jumping up & down, demanding the channel who aired the boobs be crucified. I'm not in anyway defending censorship but if you're going to go around call Australia a fascist nation then you obviously need to be re-educated. The US may have less government mandated censorship but when the push comes to the shove, the USA has MORE SELF CENSORSHIP than Australia and my friend....Self censorship is the worst kind of censorship. The only reason you called bullshit on those surveys is because the USA didn't automatically get the top spot, admit it. It's funny because you're not actually able to backup the bullshit you spurt out at other countries. You're a very biased, nationalistic, xenophobic, ignorant fool. You also act as though Australia is the only nation on Earth were by it's government has the power to ban things. NEWS FLASH BUDDY: Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada & South Africa ALL have the power to ban media and have done so in the past. To be honest though, if you think banning a few video games damages you're quality of life, you are an absolute moron. I doubt you've even ever been to Australia so I suggest you do so before spurting out more baseless, over-exaggerated nonsense.
Every single country on EARTH has problems. Ours is the classification system for video games, get over it. You're living in a delusional fantasy world of thinking the USA is an absolutely perfectly free nation where citizens aren't repressed in anyway. Get a grip, you live in a world with 5 billion people so deal with the fact we don't all still live in anarchy. Take a look at your own damn country before you start telling everyone else how they should run theirs. We have one of the greatest nations in the world here in Australia and if you can't accept that then TS. Your lose, not mine.
Get over yourself.
We think the system is BS too and we're doing our best to change it, so fuck off.
Actually, ownership of banned games is illegal in Australia.
You see, I know this because I am a fucking Criminologist. It's called owning contraband.
I called bullshit on those two reports because not only did you only scan over them and only see what you wanted to see in them (ignoring facts) but you actually misrepresented the information. Then, upon looking at them myself, I find that their conclusion are not only unfounded, but completely assinine.
But yea, tell me France is the best place in the world to live.
Jackass.
As for self-censorship, that's a personal choice, which comes back to freedom to make that choice.
Biut at least I'll have the opportunity to pick up the newest soldier of fortune when it comes out. You, on the other hand, won't.
Go fuck yourself.
Actually, ownership of banned games is illegal in Australia.
You see, I know this because I am a fucking Criminologist. It's called owning contraband.
If it wasn't illegal to own, it wouldn't be BANNED.
I called bullshit on those two reports because not only did you only scan over them and only see what you wanted to see in them (ignoring facts) but you actually misrepresented the information. Then, upon looking at them myself, I find that their conclusion are not only unfounded, but completely assinine.
But yea, tell me France is the best place in the world to live.
Jackass.
As for self-censorship, that's a personal choice, which comes back to freedom to make that choice.
But at least I'll have the opportunity to pick up the newest soldier of fortune when it comes out. You, on the other hand, won't.
Go fuck yourself.
Strange goings-on today, I suppose.
Sorry for the double post lads.
Sorry pal, but you are wrong. Banned games are not illegal to own in Australia. Not only have I emailed the OFLC but I have also personally read through the legislation myself. I've imported countless banned media, so I should know. The only banned media which is illegal to own is child pornography things like bomb instructions. You....A Criminologist?.....LOL....For one you're a American so even if you were a Criminologist I can't see how you'd know anything about Australian law. And yeah mate, I will be able to pickup the newest Soldier of Fortune. Thats what downloads and imports are for, but I guess that's too complicated for you.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cocgaia1995373/s26.htm...
I live in the state of Queensland & here it is not illegal, as is the deal in other states. Legislation states that it is only an offense to posses RC material if you have the intention of selling it or exhibiting it in a public place.
"CLASSIFICATION OF COMPUTER GAMES AND IMAGES ACT 1995 - SECT 26
26 Possession of objectionable computer game
(1) A person must not have possession of an objectionable computer game to sell it.
Maximum penalty--60 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months.
(2) A person must not have possession of an objectionable computer game to demonstrate it in a public place.
Maximum penalty--250 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years.
(3) A person must not knowingly have possession of a child abuse computer game.
Maximum penalty--250 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years."
http://www.classification.gov.au
Federal classification board
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/alrc/publications/reports/55/ch6.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cofa1991220/
GP: The spam filter was grabbing your posts because of all the links - looks likes spam to the filter. I've had to go in and manually clear this one, deleted the identical ones.
Anyway.
Touched a nerve did I, buddy?
Sorry pal, but you are wrong. Banned games are not illegal to own in Australia. Not only have I emailed the OFLC but I have also personally read through the legislation myself. I’ve imported countless banned media, so I should know. The only banned media which is illegal to own is child pornography or things like bomb making instructions. You….A Criminologist?…..LOL….For one you’re a American so even if you were a Criminologist I can’t see how you’d know anything about Australian law. And yeah mate, I will be able to pickup the newest Soldier of Fortune. Thats what downloads and imports are for, but I guess that’s too complicated for you.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cocgaia1995373/s26.htm...
I live in the state of Queensland & here it is not illegal, as is the deal in other states. Legislation states that it is only an offense to posses RC material if you have the intention of selling it or exhibiting it in a public place.
“CLASSIFICATION OF COMPUTER GAMES AND IMAGES ACT 1995 - SECT 26
26 Possession of objectionable computer game
(1) A person must not have possession of an objectionable computer game to sell it.
Maximum penalty–60 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months.
(2) A person must not have possession of an objectionable computer game to demonstrate it in a public place.
Maximum penalty–250 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years.
(3) A person must not knowingly have possession of a child abuse computer game.
Maximum penalty–250 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years.”
http://www.classification.gov.au
Federal classification board
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/alrc/publications/reports/55/ch6.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cofa1991220/
Still want to argue about it? Sorry buddy but I know how my country operates. It seems as though you’re just trying to bully Australia to make yourself feel better about America. Again, get over it.
Here, read my states legislation for yourself genius:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cocgaia1995373/s26.htm...
It's the same story in every other state around Australia, including federal legislation. classification.gov.au, austlii.edu.au
So some research.
It clearly says that possession is only illegal if you intend to sell, exhibit in public or if it's child porn.
Yeah, I keep getting the legal definition and the commercial definitions of banned mixed up.
My bad.
@Ross.
Well, good for you 'buddy'.
Final score:
you- 1
me- the rest.
moderation bug its coming up more and mroe these days.