Jack Thompson Advocates Manhunt 2 Ban on Fox
Jack Thompson Advocates Manhunt 2 Ban on Fox
October 23, 2007
Saturday's Cashin' In program on Fox featured a Manhunt 2 dust-up between game-hatin' attorney Jack Thompson as well as recurring guest - and designated bad boy - Jonathan Hoenig.
Although he raised a spirited First Amendment defense, Hoenig was clearly not conversant with current video game issues. It would be nice if Fox would put someone up against Thompson who knew what they were talking about.
We wonder if Thompson would have the brass to go up against a video game-aware opponent instead of the likes of Hoenig, Bob Guccione, Jr. and author Gerard Jones. Nice folks all, we're sure. But when Thompson gets into video game specifics, they are out of their depth.
Or maybe Fox likes it that way...
GP: Big thanks to Marie at News Hounds for uploading the video after GP's unfortunate Tivo misfire...
Although he raised a spirited First Amendment defense, Hoenig was clearly not conversant with current video game issues. It would be nice if Fox would put someone up against Thompson who knew what they were talking about.
We wonder if Thompson would have the brass to go up against a video game-aware opponent instead of the likes of Hoenig, Bob Guccione, Jr. and author Gerard Jones. Nice folks all, we're sure. But when Thompson gets into video game specifics, they are out of their depth.
Or maybe Fox likes it that way...
GP: Big thanks to Marie at News Hounds for uploading the video after GP's unfortunate Tivo misfire...
Comments
It's Faux News, what did you expect from the tabloid arm of the mainstream media.
The next time Jacky Boy is on TV, it should be on a show similiar to ESPN's Around The Horn, where the host presses a button and they mute the offending commentator for ten seconds.
Jacky Boy would be muted the whole show.
I can't believe people are actually posting as if they'd expected anything different; Fox is the lowest common denominator. I expected far worse, like a 30 minute JT show or something.
Here I am, responding to you again when I didn't expect to, but something you said struck me as odd. You have often said that you are different from Jack Thompson because you are not trying to use the law to force your views on people. As far as I know, you are correct in that regard. (Though for all I know you could be a lier who's actually trying to ban the Bible and outlaw churches in real life.)
The odd thing is, a lot of people here view Jack Thompson as a hateful, deluded, possibly-insane bigot with no sense of reality. And it is that part of Jack Thompson that causes people to compare him to you. (Sorry, but that's the way it is.) What's odd is I have never seen you deny being a hateful, deluded, possibly-insane bigot with no sense of reality. You just say "The difference between me and Thompson is I'm not trying to use the law to enforce my views."
And he promised in court not to file more gay porn. Well, it's Jack. He likes to escalate, so I'll bet he'll spice things a bit by adding some zoophilia to the mix.
"I’ve offered to debate Hal Halpin, Doug Lowenstein, Jason de la Rocca, and "they’ve all refused."
Uh huh, however, your REAL debate history says that THEY are the ones who offered, and knowing you wouldn't have a chance and likely would have your fantasy world crushed, refused, or more likely, they didn't want ot be associated with you, ever.
"I debated David Kushner, who writes for wired and wrote the biography of the creators of Doom. I debated him on national television programs and on ten college campuses. Nobody in their right mind would say he doesn’t know the video game industry and is not a formidable debate opponent."
I think I saw that. You did most of the damn talking.
"I am in fact debating Lorne Lanning at the video game expo in Connecticut this next Saturday, November 3."
How long before you duck out of this one as well, or maybe you will magically not be able to make it, or your oh so obvious failure at basic geography will prevent you from attending
"So, once again, Dennis McCauley, who always resorts to ad hominem, when it comes to me, can’t get his facts straight because he can’t do anything but spin. "
Gee Thompson, do you ever stop talking about yourself?
"Oh, and I almost forgot. Penny Arcade reneged on its offer to have me come out to PAX 2007 to debate these issues, the excuse being “security.” We’ve got security in Connecticut, and there’s no problem.
The Penny Arcade people proved to be cowards. Don’t tell me I wouldn’t go out there and debate these people. Dennis McCauley has the emails by which I repeatedly told them I would go. What a bunch of nonsense McCauley and you people crank out here. "
Wow Thompson, do you ever stop to smell what you're shoveling? The Penny Arcade guys wanted to keep it quiet to keep it as small as possible and prevent any possible violent attempts as well a prevent injury, but no, you wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, likely in the hope that someone would try to hurt you,and when they denied your self martyrdom attempt you spun it to look like they just didn't want ot debate you.
by the way, what happened to that promise to stop insulting us?
It was a lie? Oh, ok.
Anyway, I think I may write Fox News an email about this one. It was clearly an inflammatory segment.
That was well said indeed.
Have you ever heard of Godwin's Law?
Godwin's Law basically says whoever invokes the law, looks like a complete tit for doing so. Go look it up and find out what it is.
To compare anyone to Hitler is just the desperate technique of spin doctors of Fox News proportions.
Nope... he's had many opportunities but he always finds an excuse to back out and then declares a victory for himself. He's afraid of people who will debunk him.
Tycho and Gabe would own his ass.
It's a shame that Fox can't put a decent arguement together, but then when Thompson's on it's usually very one-sided.
Oh, it's a metaphor.
Why do they let that man on television.
He has the whiniest, most douchebag voice I have ever heard and he never, ever lets his opponent speak, he just speaks through them. I never even heard what the other guy said because there was this whiney, buzzing drone all the way through.
Jack, if you're reading this, please can you do me some favours:
1) Stop bringing up that psychological study bullshit. For every study there is that claims violent video games have a significant adverse effect on children, there are 10 more studies disproving it. It's the only point you have ever fought your battle against video games on, and it is a moot point. It is pointless.
2) If you ever get invited to talk about video games at all, anywhere, decline the offer. You are not an expert, you're a moron with a chip on his shoulder.
3) Stop saying the ESRB is a puppet of the industry, it is completely separate.
4) You claim Amazon are selling mature-rated games to children? First, prove it. Second, go after Amazon, not the developers. What next, you go after kitchen knife manufacturers after a shop sells a knife to an under-age kid? Idiot. The developers are doing nothing wrong.
5) Using the word 'magically' should mean an automatic revocation of your law license, which I doubt you have anyway. Understand how the rating system works, you cretin.
6) You accused your opponent of ad-hoc attacks? Pot? Kettle? Seriously, with some of the offensive, malicious, slanderous and frankly sometimes racist tripe you spout at anyone who disagrees with you, I wouldn't accuse others of ad-hoc attacks.
Also, that Fox presenter was a one-sided bitch. She hardly ever let Jack's opponent have a say and completely backed him up on his points. You might as well had two monkeys dressed into medieval dressing burning video games at the stake, since that was pretty much all it was.
Someone needs to go on one of these shows and call JT on his lies and rebuke him publicly for provding false witness.
It's not just me who thinks Jack sounds like a fly. You may have a cookie. Why? I'm not at all sure..
I debated David Kushner, who writes for wired and wrote the biography of the creators of Doom. I debated him on national television programs and on ten college campuses. Nobody in their right mind would say he doesn't know the video game industry and is not a formidable debate opponent.
I am in fact debating Lorne Lanning at the video game expo in Connecticut this next Saturday, November 3.
So, once again, Dennis McCauley, who always resorts to ad hominem, when it comes to me, can't get his facts straight because he can't do anything but spin.
The Penny Arcade people proved to be cowards. Don't tell me I wouldn't go out there and debate these people. Dennis McCauley has the emails by which I repeatedly told them I would go. What a bunch of nonsense McCauley and you people crank out here.
Some time back, John Bruce posted in one of the articles a challenge to Hal Halpin. Any word on that?
Now, we know what to expect:
John Bruce will hype it up the hilt, and then, all of a sudden, something happens (usually by some action of John Bruce's), and John Bruce backs out or gets kicked out and he blames everyone but himself.
But you know what I'd like to see?
A worldwide televised debate that would put the issue, ALL the "pop culture" issues, to bed once and for all. No "midnight show". Primetime. With politicians, "experts" (ALL forms of experts), industry and consumer defenders, the "anti-"s from the reasonable to the extreme to the "John Bruce 'Jack' Thompson and Lyndon LaRouche wack job beyond extreme" types. And not something that just lasts an hour or two. Something that takes place 8 hours a day for 5 days. And no "you have 5 minutes to speak and that's all you'll have the entire 40 hours of debate" crap.
We keep saying let one of these legislations make it all the way to the US Supreme Court so that that particular issue can finally be laid to rest. So why not do the same with the discussion? Hell, let's have internet and call-in participation. Let's do it for once and for all.
The sad part is, though, that it won't happen. We'll have the tabloid trash TV news and affiliates like FOX blathering ignorant clap trap. We'll continue to have politicians ignorant to the hilt and taking word of mouth information over facts and evidence claiming that the government will make better Parents for children than the children's own Parents, even though those same politicians show their ignorance about the very things they are making legislation about. (No one has yet to show even ONE video game, commercially sold in a brick and motar retail shop (which are the only retailers that the various legislations govern) that allows Player Characters to commit virtual RAPE, even though it's an argument used at nearly EVERY hearing debating the legislations being voted on.) We'll continue to hear individuals and organizations knowingly and intentionally lying to and deceiving individuals and using and abusing the tragedies of families and communities just to push their personal, religious, and/or political beliefs. And, as time goes by, newer forms of "pop culture" will be used to blame the various actions of a relatively small number of individuals rather than dealing with the actual, TRUE problems that exist in society.
Ah phooey! Since when did anyone ever truthfully claim the Human species was INTELLIGENT?
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Isn't this moron going to be on a panel with Dennis for something soon?
Yes, actually. Someone had better give links for it.
Please feel free to correct and/or educate me if any of the aforementioned seems a bit off.
It's a sad state of affairs when I'm looking more forward to Jack's disbarment than Christmas.
a) Jack says KIDS can go on Amazon and buy the game...how many kids under the age of 17 have credit cards?
b) If a clerk sells someone under 21(19 in canada) Alcohol, is it the Clerks or the Alcohol fault? How can they say it's the ESRB for someone not asking for ID?
c) They really need to bring up in debates when Jack goes all 'science on our side', that increased aggression doesn't equal increased violence. Use the argument of increased aggression at football events.
Too many people get in there with Jack and look for the quick zing instead of laying out the facts and watching him shoot himself in the foot.
Because it makes Paradoxes. Paradoxes make ratings. And ratings make money, and subsequently, Little Green Men.
Well, that's what they'll tell you. In reality, the definitions of Political terms have become so cloudy it's not real. For example, the Liberal Democrats (Party in the UK) aren't actually Liberals. Neither are the Conservatives, well, Conservative in the traditional sense. Well, okay, so they are, but they're still more Liberal than the Lib Dems ever were.
But you could argue it down to the fact that Thompson is Conservative, so is FOX, and te US hates Liberals.
And talk about rude.
@Jack Thompson
Talking over somebody else's turn doesn't make your argument any more valid. We probably wouldn't spite you as much if you could actually give people the chance to prove how you're wrong.
Yes, Take-Two is the parent company of Rockstar Games and it's branches.
Of course it doesn't but we can't expect Jacko to act civilized. That would mean his instant defeat in a fair debate.
Shirt, yes. Tie, no.
Hell, I could go in dressed as a Junkie and i'd still be more credible than him.
Actually, I think that is exactly what Mr. Zelnick intends to do. Jack has violated every agreement he has ever made with them, and I would expect their patience is wearing very thin right now..
That's one for a rainy day :P
@mary
You're assuming that he hasn't already done just that.
Why don't we try Hannibal Lecter and the Zodiac Killer?
That's exactly what he did the last 15 times.. I'm sure you know about his Conspiracy Theory.
How about Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, or Jigsaw?
Like I said, he's got this droning, adenoidal voice that's annoying as hell. Glad to know I was on the money on that one. :)
@ Al Wesker
The reason he's on Fox News is beacuse that's the only major news network that will give him the time of day anymore. Most of them have caught on to him by now, but because it's Fox and they want conservatives on there, they get him. Also because as Norm Kent said, JT is one of those "monkeys in the trees who stands at the edge of branches and screams the loudest."
Typical Fox News tactic: they let the conservative ride roughshod over the opposition, hardly giving them the opportunity to get a word in edgewise. They've empolyed that tactic for years now. Read Al Franken's Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them for more evidence.
I have to hand it to Hoenig. Unfortunately, as Gabe of Penny Arcade once said, you can't just go up against Thompson and "wing it." But as Dennis speculated, the deck was stacked against him from the get-go by Fox.
I'm pretty much convinced now that Jack will back-out at the last minute on the VGXpo. The people he's appearing with (Spencer Halpin, N'Gai Croal, Lorne Lanning, Dennis, etc.) are too articulate and well-informed. And if he does drone on, we in the audience will shout him down. It'll be almost as ridiculous as Mahmoud Amahdenijad's appearance at Columbia University. :P
By the way, is it just me, or does the protagonist of Manhunt 2 look like Chester Bennington of Linkin Park? Every time I see a screenshot or footage with him in it, I expect him to start belting out one of their tunes of self-loathing...
Craaaaawling in my skin!
These wounds the will not heal!
I've become so numb...
I tried so hard, and come so far
but in the end, it doesn't even matter...
Forgive me whaaaat I've doooone...
I'm bleeding out. Digging deeper just to throw it away..."
Thank you! I'm here all week! ;)
Jack once again rattling on about the APA report that didn't say what he believes it did, and his "We did 2 stings the whole country is at it" illogical nonsense.
No, i'll tell you who we need. Paris Hilton.
You've got to admit, she is the intellectual superior of Jack. If no-one else.
@mary
We learned that years ago.
This game is released by Rockstar. He can complain all he likes about it, but he can't technically do anything about it can he? He is bound by the agreement not to litigate, or even threaten to litigate. That must hurt him.
"I'm here all week! (Smiley)"
Oh shit.
@Conejo
But.. The CIA did do that..
You think that's going to stop him?
Yeah, but he turned it down, and called the guys "cowards".
Run little one, time is short...
They don't know what they are talking about.
And frankly, that "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but I'm fully endorsing it!" attitude Jack Thompson and most of his opponents have... It deserves inceneration, and re-evaluation of competences.
Sees two more ego-fueling Jack Thomson stories
*Leaves*
Also, as evidenced by the demographic here at GP, the leaders of tomorrow are gamers. So again, even in the future, our games will be safe.
This is just another instance, like so many in our history, of the older population fighting against things they don't understand. From the Salem witch trials when people overreacted to disease and famine they didn't understand, to Elvis Presley and his wiggling hips.
So let this generation whine itself to the grave, and then we'll have our chance to whine about whatever OUR kids are into.
Why did you even bother posting? Christ... grow up already.
And why didn't they let Jonathan Hoenig respond to the APA argument? They cut off the debate right at that moment. Hoenig was not at a loss for words, he was clearly about to open his mouth and respond but was silenced. And watch the video again right before that moment. That shit-eating grin Jack has on his face suggests to me that this was a planned trick.
The simple reason is that his argument can't stand up to REAL debate. So, in an effort to prevent himself from looking like a fool, he prevents others from offering their arguments.
Only problem with that idea is: He still looks like a fool because he's being rude, crude, and socially unacceptable. Not to mention proving that even HE knows his argument can't stand up to REAL debate.
Nightwng2000
NW2K software
It's called 'expressing an opinion', much like what you have done, only yours was far more immature.
@ BlackIce, Leftie
In effect, the gauntlet was thrown down, probably has been done many times, but Mr. Thompson always backs off, and fires off pot-shots from the safe harbor of FoxNews.
Now, the guy they chose this time was kind of a loud-mouth and he flashed the constitution card too quickly, but at least he fell back on parental responsibility and reasoning.
To the point out the stings on Target and Walmart. Target and Walmart employees aren't threatened with getting fired by corporate if a report ever comes in that they sold an M-rated game to an under-aged child with an angry parent. Target and Walmart are not the biggest Game retail chains in the world, and frankly, I don't think the corporate offices for either really care.
Kids buying them online without age verification is also BS since a creditcard is technically a form of age verification... And by that I mean younger, impressionable, psychologically undeveloped children who could be marred for life by the imagery of Manhunt 2 do not have credit cards. More importantly, say a young kid does steal their parent's card and orders the game. In this scenario, when exactly would this package arrive when the parents wouldn't notice? Furthermore, when wouldn't the parents notice the charge on their monthly transactions?
The Psychological studies argument... Out the window. There's no need to debate that at all since it's not true. The study he keeps referring to didn't confirm a direct link nor did it confirm "violence makes you violent."
This is one of the most offensive, lie filled piece I have heard to date.
It's totally not worth getting an expert to stand off against JT if it's going to happen on this show, it's just going to be JT and the host yelling at the top of their lungs every time the professional starts talking, and they'll keep yelling long past when the pro goes silent respectfully waiting for them to shut up so he can talk again. The host doesn't even deserve to be a host, since a host is supposed to facilitate discussion and debate while she was just a sycophant yes-woman agreeing with every spiteful lie from JT. However, for the love of all that is holy (or science if you're atheist or Scientologist), we do need some expert to get JT to stfu about that APA report that doesn't say anything he says it does. I would really like to get one of the scientists who did that study to publicly say "I worked on the study Jack Thompson is allegedly quoting, however, he is making crap up and saying we found and reported things we did not find, report or conclude at all. In all respects Jack Thompson should not be taken as anything more than a spiteful man who tells lies saying that he's telling the truth, and certainly never should he be taken as an expert." Really if a part of the APA big enough to make a small press conference got together and said JT's wrong it would be a happy day in my life, and it'd work too since they could title the conference "Violence in video games" and the media would eat it up, even if it was just to say "our only finding was that people already predisposed to violence derive a greater level of enjoyment from violent games".
Stepping back some, what about the part at the beginning where JT talks about 3 levels of "fraud" and all his other crap before the talk falls apart. I think that that's a bad enough lie to be worth looking into some defamation lawsuits if I was any of the mentioned groups, since it's likely to harm sales from people who actually believe this show. That and it's really hard to say these things without cold hard evidence unless you are actively and intentionally looking to harm them through lying.
How dare Fox even call this a debate! It was no such thing. Just a crazy old man spouting off lies. Jack didn't even allow him to speak. In a 3 minute video, Hoenig spoke for maybe 15 seconds. And you had to love that the news anchor sided with Jack.
The best part of this video was the end. "We watch FOX so you don't have to." That made me laugh.
There are too many people who don't know enough to know he's totally full of it, and not enough people making the effort to correct the ignorance of the general population. I hope his disbarment makes major headlines; everyone out there needs to know what he really is. He needs to be completely and utterly invalidated in the eyes and minds of the general public.
Yeah, I'd have to rewatch this crap to get the wording right, but what he said makes it sound like he walked through the store with his son, up to the register and was present when his son bought the game. I believe that every store has a policy that if a child is accompanied by an adult telling them to buy the game that the store will sell it to the child so his stings are even more worthless than ever before thought.
"Oh noes, the store sold a game to my child when I told them to sell it to him"
WOW JACK, that is so flipping surprising I can't even put it into words acceptable for public use. You have now revealed a new low for level of intelligence where brain activity still happens, I don't think that even "Dilbert's boss" is this bad.
And the "debate" wasn't moderated worth a shit, much to Thompson's pleasure. If it was a true debate, I'm pretty sure his opponent would have grilled him, but instead Thompson was allowed to interrupt, talk over, and be his general asshole self.
In fact he should be jailed for admitting to using his son in his crusade on national television.
We all already know Jack doesn't have what it take to debate anyone who knows that they are talking about. Hell does anyone remember his opponent on the Morning Show? The said there was someone to actually debate Thompson and it turned out to be some 17 year old kid. Jack is a guy who will only debate something if he has the upper ground and he will only go up against those who have little to no information on the subject they are debating. At least there is something to look forward to, Jack Thompson being disbarred. Then he goes from crazy lawyer man to a crazy old guy who had what was left of his already shattered reputation completely destroyed.
The problem is that these debates are way too short to be anything meaningful. They don't give anybody the time needed to present a credible argument, and Jack recognizes and takes advantage of that. It's exactly what happened with the 'Attack of the Show' argument between Thompson and Adam Sessler a year ago. Jack uses that very limited three minute window to raise his voice and talk over his opponent until it's time to for the commercial break.
You mean Sepukku? Yeah, my ears do that every time I have to listen to the man speak.
"Some time back, John Bruce posted in one of the articles a challenge to Hal Halpin. Any word on that?"
Y'know, i'm not sure if it was Hal, but i am reminded of one particular debate challenge in the past. The challenger offered to debate Jack in at a school in, i think, washington; more than likely, the challenger had an actual job in washington so he wasn't free to go the otherside of the country like a certain jobless lawer we know. However, Jack made it a requirment that he be paid like to debate in front of school (jack mentioned it was a standard thing for his debates), and down right refused to do it for free. The challanger then took back the offer has he did not want the school to have to pay money to hold the debate... guess the challenger knew the money was better spent on education rather than seeing Jack get owned on stage (not to mention allowing jack to profit off his rantings). It went down something like that, might be a bit off with some of details... I think that was Hal, but i'm not sure, i could be thinking of someone else; my memory was never too good.
Yeah. I think by now he needs a mining drill,as he is about to hit rock bottom in that grave he's so expertly digging.
I totally agree, their actions on just the social level were reprehensible. I've known better behaved 4 year olds, and there is no excuse for a 4 year old to be more mature and socially aware than the host and one of the "experts" of a discussion/debate. Not to mention all the morally wrong things that happened... There was no moderation at all, just a yes-woman claiming to moderate.
Personally I would've yelled kiai style (very very loud for those who don't know what a kiai is) "Shut Up!" to get their attention and continue with "Now that I have your attention, here is why you're wrong with true facts (insert rebuttal points). And now here's why you should no longer be allowed on TV (at JT, mention of earlier fact proving his lies and his pending disbarment, along with all the other legal trouble he's in) and here's the same for you (at the host, general rudeness, sycophant yes-woman, failure to perform job of moderator, etc)" and I would make sure to mention the truth of the APA study before JT can spread his lie about it.
There was also that time when people were allowed to post questions and for a clearly posted amount of time Mr Halpin would answer them. Thompson came in about an hour afterward and posted his, being as condescending as he possibly could, knowing Mr Halpin wasn't there anymore, that way Thompson's fantasy world could go uncontested a little longer.
You are refering to the Jason Della Roca debate challenge. They shared some back and forth about details. Jack told Jason they could make $3000 a stop each on a debate tour. Jason told Jack that he did not feel comfortable charging money to debate this issue. Jack took that as cowardice on Jason's part and called it off.
So he goes on Fox against an unprepared hack who's only defense is the 1st Amendment?
- Rockstar clearly had a 2nd version, "just in case", that's why it was able to get a new rating "when there wasn't time to fix it".
- It was banned in the UK because they are clearly biased against videogames, as they let a more violent movie by with NO EDITING AT ALL.
- LYING about web purchases may work with the soccer moms, but until the FTC can back you up, you fail.
I know which one you're talking about.
It was Jason Della Rocca that you're referring to. Your details were a little off, but the overall situation was clear. :)
See these three articles in succession:
http://www.realitypanic.com/archives/299
http://www.realitypanic.com/archives/300
http://www.realitypanic.com/archives/301
I wish it was that easy to find the post in the article I was referring to. I know the post was in an article here at GP. I just don't remember which one. I think the article had something to do with a different debate, but I could be wrong.
Nightwng2000
NW2K software
:D
Nightwng2000
NW2K software
Problem is - he says that about every game. If Thompson had his way, even Mario Brothers would be banned, since it's violent to jump on the heads of mushrooms.
But find some solace in one thing my friends - he was talking about his son buying the game..... THANK GOD HE'S NOT MY DAD!!!
"Jack told Jason they could make $3000 a stop each on a debate tour. Jason told Jack that he did not feel comfortable charging money to debate this issue. Jack took that as cowardice on Jason’s part and called it off."
I believe the actual reason that Jack backed out of the Jason Della Rocca debate was that Jason suggested they hold the debate for free, or donate the proceeds to a charity. Jack replied "That isn’t how it works and I can’t justify leaving my family to go to Montreal on a freebie. Sorry. Have to pay the bills."
He has a point I suppose. Having had to pay out a large settlement to Norm Kent previously, as well as face fines from the Bar for unprofessional behaviour, especially in light of the fact that he may not have a licence to practice law much longer... Perhaps he really can't spare that money. I don't think I'd be volunteering to work pro bono if I was running my career into the ground in a very public and embarassing fashion.
Or perhaps it was just another case of "this is going to be a structured debate where my usual tactic of screaming and shouting so that the opposing arguments can't be heard will not work. Let's make up an excuse that makes it look like I'm not chickening out." We've seen it happen before with the PA debate, with Tom Buscaglia, with Kotaku (he suggested "mars" as a venue...), etc.
Whichever reason of the two, neither paints him in a very good light. Incompetent, or chicken.
First off, why do you call the person who can ban your IP on this site a tard?
The reason why we bash Fox is because they claim they're fair and balanced. That is false. Most of the news leans towards the right.
That being said though, CrapNN and MSNBC aren't any better (most of their news leans to the left).
After all they have done i could see anyone who understands the industry wanting to appear there.
***the Halo 3 in church show were they present that Dr. Bartell lady as an expert on games and gave her brain scans five minutes before bringing her out.
***this link shows another Jack appearance on Fox were he distorts the truth half a dozen times
http://kotaku.com/gaming/feature/feature-dissecting-jacks-lies-252914.ph...
***and finally now they give him a free speaking platform by having an opponent that knows nothing.
Fair and Balanced my ass.
If by fair you mean biased and by Balanced you mean "only the people who agree with us can speak, if not we put up some guy off the street"
* talking non-stop in a monotone nasal fashion so frustrating and asinine that it makes you feel like you fell over, broke your ass, ate sewage, puked and died.
please dont give him the idea! we dont need another dr phil show, especially one run by JT.
please dont give him the idea! we dont need another dr phil show, especially one run by JT.
Oh come on, it'll be entertaining!
JT: Next up we have a disgusting drooling gamer, come on out!
Audience: Booooooooo
Gamer: Uh yeah, ou promised me a copy of Manhunt 2 if I showed up?
JT: Cause we're gonna use the power of JEBUS to cure you of your brain damage!
Gamer: Um, I don't have any brain damage. I'm fine. Look, if you're not going to give me the game, I'll just leave, ok? I've got university classes to get to later.
Audience: *Lies! Lies! Burn the sinner!*
JT: Alright, we all know that gamers are too stupid and brain damaged to know they are stupid and brain damaged. Jimmy, show those slides.
*flash of some brain scans, no context or anything, parts are coloured*
JT: See, proof that games cause retards. Next up, an eating disorder psychologist who will back me up because 5 minutes ago I told her to.
Guest: Right JT, you told me to say that those scans are proof. So I'll do that. Those scans, whichever ones you just showed, are proof.
JT: Thanks, now get off my stage, you're stealing my limelight. Right, next up, watch this clip as I file a document with a court clerk. What a fantastic play, I win!
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1) That when asked to clarify, the researchers who put out that APA study confirmed that they only found correlation, not causation.
2) That the 65% successful carding rate that Best Buy, Walmart, etc. have is on par with the theaters. I'm not saying this shouldn't be improved, but a similar effort should be made with movies.
Well Jacky, seems those two "stings" of yours are null and void. Congrats, you fail again.
"Do you read the constitution as much as the bible?"
Wow, on overly christian based propaganda machine Fox news, I wouldn't be suprised if he was TOLD to say that to instantly villianize his side of things. It was a poor choice to begin with and allowed JT the credibility to walk all over him.
1. You attack a man's stance, not his religion.
2. FTA findings he's cited are a few years out of date. Industry has gotten better, call him out on that.
3. The scientific study he cites constantly doesn't PROVE an increase in aggression in relation to other violent media as well as judged itself as inconclusive citing confusion in regards if it's violence in the media causing the effect or a violent persons reaction to the media. Several of the children studied were virtually uneffected. Call him out on that.
4. Call him out on defending cop-killer Devin Moore. Cop killers aren't heroes on Fox News.
5. Most of all, quit using the whole "millions play and don't kill" stance. There are studies, even the ones your opposition relies on, which lend more credence to your stance. "I play violent games and I don't kill" has never worked for an arguement. The killers are the exception, not the rule. Do some fucking research and bring that point up.
How about Epee's at dawn and only torso shots count? And just to make things interesting, masks, but no jackets. Makes getting his that much more of a 'learning' lesson. That or Hungarian rules bare chested sabre dueling. Now THAT is hard-core stuff.
Mute button, nah, muzzle.
You think we could get an Enemy At The Gates-type thing?
Would you settle for a boxing match?
Regardless of yours and my political affiliation, or persuasion... the television media here in America is highly slanted to the left. The convservatives own the radio waves, which garner muchless "viewership" than television. There are myriad examples of the liberal view being protrayed in a news story with no mention of anything supporting a conservative opinion.
- Brian Ross on Good Morning America slamming GOP candidates for their scandals but not mentioning any democratic ones
- Neal Gabler implying that he wanted Bill Kristol go to Iraq and be killed so he could attend his funeral
- A fallen military hero's grave being desecrated -- not even covered by the mainstream media
- Al Gore getting all the airtime when he won the scam-Nobel, but a Presidential Medal of Honor recipient gets absolutely no mention on the same day
- Hillary's new scandal involving donations by Chinese immigrants that either do not exist, or can't be found, not being covered
- Democratic Gov. Phil Bresden described Chinese workers that built railroads across America by using an offensive racial slur not being covered
- These are just on the first age of a site I read that exposes the liberal bias in the media
Considering how badly Rush Limbaugh was attacked for his "phony soldier" comment, even so far as a Congressional motion being passed to condemn it, while it was completely taken out of context... Well, conservatives are being attacked like gangbusters while the liberal media here only furthers it's own anti-Bush agenda. Not taking up for my President, either, but the liberal media is so anti-Bush that no story that is a positive thing about conservatives hardly ever gets airtime and when it does, the time pales in comparison to the stories that are positive in nature to liberals.
Not very fair and balanced. So, for Fox to be conservative in a sea of liberal "fairness"... Good for them.
It goes on and on. I'm not attacking anyone's personal opinion, but to keep slamming Fox, deservedly so or not, when they are pretty much the only conservative television network around, seems unfair.
Now, I agree that Fox are fools for continuing to give Jack an audience, and I don't watch a lot of Fox, or Fox News, because they sensationalize way too much, but you are attacking the minority, and ignoring the majority, which is an anti-liberal message. I though liberals took up for the minority. I thought liberals were supposed to embrace all ideas and opinions. It's just that in this case, the minority (Fox) garners tons more viewers than the other stations, and has not been around nearly as long as other mainstream media outlets.
I tried to be careful and not offend anyone but I'm sure I failed. I just want this message to be something like, "Fox is only one message, in a sea of 100 messages."
Who cares if they are conservative if there is only one conservative message?
Okay, I've got on my fireman's coveralls... Take it easy on me...
John Shrader
Liberals are supposed to embrace all ideas and opinions. Something they are famous for not doing.
I agree, these days every media outlet has to cover an angle, and none of them are unbiased anymore. That's the really sad part in fact. Reporters should be completely neutral on a subject matter, even if they don't agree with it, otherwise you get good-facts, not real-facts (1984 anyone?). It's just like how other media outlets only cover death tolls of soldiers and civilians overseas, but never mention any good that is happening, because good doesn't get ratings. To quote Rita Skeeter from Harry Potter, "The Daily Prophet (wizard newspaper) exists to sell itself." I promise ya, if the media did a completely unbiased series of reports for a month, their ratings and sales would plumment into the toliet. And this counts for all of them, not just Fox, ABC, or the Weekly World News.
The scary part is that you've seen/read Harry Potter movies/books.
Eh, mindless fun, like Star Wars.
I don't agree. Star Wars is mindless fun. Harry Potter is the pop-up book of modern cinema.
Right there is where they need to take him to court, with his own signature signing his warrant.
Either that, or Take Two doesn't see Jack as anything othe