Dan,
It should be. And in their press release, they admitted to criminal behavior. I'd say the police should be on hand to make immediate arrests. Let's treat them like the organized crime organization they openly admit to being. Damn pirates!

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

Damn, managed to bugger that up.. Hold on a minute.

“it struck me personally as pornographic violence.”

I was under the impression that Dr. Lamb was not a Necrophiliac.

“Common Sense believes that parents, educators, and other consumers would benefit from knowing what specific parts of the game were edited or removed"

Possibly, but R* is under no obligation to disclose those details. You want to find out what the game is like? Go play it.

“[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children.”

That would have done on it’s own.

“showing video clips from the leaked version”

As in the version that isn’t going to be sold in the US tomorrow? Yeah, that’s real proof..

I would agree with everyone that has posted in here that Take Two/Rock* should sue/file criminal charges against Common Sense Media for using an illegal and earlier version of MH2. We all knew that when the leaked version was posted that someone was gonna try to use it against TT. Too bad its going to back fire on those asshats. Who wants to bet 5 USD that there will be a C&D filed to "CS"M, citing any and all activities are to be halted and be ready to be brought into court.

You know, saying that the unrated version of Manhunt is freely available on the Internet is like me saying that pornography is freely available at my local Mediaplay store because of the idea that I could sneak in and shoplift it on out.

That's not "freely available", that's me looking at the prospect of getting away with illegally obtained material.

@NW2K
I meant that if your report to law enforcement about the CSM was written, can you provides us a copy of what you said in the report by a link or can you post it here?

M= Mature.

I'm... I'm confused why a press conference needs to be held to explain that 0_o . (especially in reference to just ONE "M" rated game.)

The mind... it boggles.

And quit misusing the word "boycott" already CSM.

@Lovely

Yes, they're holding a press conference to notify the public that the game is mature. Kinda makes you wonder what the rest of their schedule looks like...

Wednesday (31st)-Sky is Blue Press Conference 3:00 PM
Thursday (1st)-Black People Are Black and White People Are White Press Conference 2:30 PM
Thursday (1st)-Water Is Good For You 2:45 PM
Friday (2nd)-Special Presentation at the Glendale Boys and Girls Club Featuring Captain Obvious and Sidekick Common Sense

Cannibal Holocaust? I don't want to know, do I? I'm going to laugh my ass off if the game flops anyway because it's, oh you know, a mediocre game. Then there will be groups going "We did it!" Yeah. Why don't you take credit for the lackluster sales of Deer Hunter, while you're at it? Oh yeah, it flopped because it sucks. Speaking of Deer Hunter, where's the public outcry against the violence there, huh?

@ Distaria

What's so violent about hunting deer? ;)

Having watched a video showing Manhunt 2's gameplay, I can understand why Jim Steyer is disgusted. This being said... well, it's Manhunt. You can hardly expect something else than an "ultra-violent" game, that, for once, deserves this adjective.

The game's out now. If they want otk now what's cut, PLAY IT FOR YOURSELVES!!!!

"Common sense" my ass.

All you have to do is check out the Common Sense Media website to realize how much of a finicky alarmist group they really are. This entire situation is childish. Why does CSM feel like they have to play tattle-tale and call a press conference just to tell people what they already know?

Apparrently, Common Sense Media is under the impression that "Common Sense" is so UN-common, that people must be told exactly what to think.

On the plus side for R*, the free press just keeps rolling in...

Impressive. I didn't know CSM even knew how to turn on a videogame. I hope they remembered to rewind their Nintendo tapes.

I find it funny that CSM admitted to ILLEGALLY downloading an ILLEGAL copy of a game and then ILLEGALLY saying the content is in the finished game.

It doesn't make good sense for TT to sue CSM (bad publicity), but boy do they have grounds...

"Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday."

Irony on aisle five; repeat, irony on aisle five please.

Hecatomb: I understand your point, but part of it is this: in many games you're not shooting people either, it's aliens or demons, things like that. In Doom, the only "people" are zombies. The entire rest of the "cast" are demons. In Halo, you're never tasked with shooting humans in the single/coop campaign. Yet these idiots are so quick to make it out like you're callously murdering your fellow man. They never take context into account. Even Postal has at least a semblance of a reason for your rampage.

I bet the industry turns a blind eye to THEIR blatant violation of the DMCA

@ Jabrwock, MaskedPixelante and others saying TT would not go after the CSM

Why should they not? TT already looks like a bad guy in the eyes of the Soccer mom. Gamers would only support them in the task.

If they don't go after CSM for copyright violation, what message does that send to other nanny groups? That it is okay to circumvent the law when you are "protecting the children"?

@Lovely

Remember, people are idiots.

I'm surprised that Take Two or Rockstar hasn't hit CSM with a DMCA violation lawsuit similar to what the MAFIAA does. CSM basically just admitted to downloading a copyrighted material which the general sentiment right now seems to be is illegal... so where's the lawsuit?

I'm with you, EZK. Ignoring the infraction on CSM's part is tacit approval of their tactics. Aside from the irony being oh-so-delicious, it's just the smart thing to do, and the right thing to do, from where I'm standing.

Hecatomb: Oh no, it's cool. I wasn't trying to be a hard ass towards you. And it does seem odd that you can give a kid a rifle and tell him/her to go shoot Bambi's mother, but God forbid he picks up a controller!

@ GameDevMich

I think you may have read the TT comments the wrong way.

The color encoding thing was a round-about, long winded way of saying the leaked version is a PAL version, which won't play on US systems without modding the console. They're not saying there is content there on the disc still, just that leaked version can't be played without a mod chip. I attribute the long winded, round-about way of saying to them trying to find a new way of saying to parents "Your kids can't download this and play it without modding their system.", as no one seemed to grasp that the last time around.

The other comment I think was made in the same vain. Note the qualifier of "easily". CSM is trying to make it seem like any 10 year-old can download the leaked version and play it without a problem, when in fact they would have to have a modded console in the first place to even attempt to play it. TT is just trying to combat that with a new wording of the same message since parents and the watchdog groups apparently still don't understand the whole of concept of mod chips.

@ GameDevMich

Can you provide a link to a source over the decap scene being unlockable on PS2? That is potentially huge news- and quite possibly the stupidest thing R* could do since Hot Coffee.

@GameDevMich
Thanks for the correction.

@ GameDevMich

In defense of part of TT statements, the version the CSM is using is the unrated un edited version released in Sept. The one released in stores Tonight, will not have all the scenes the CSM is showing.

As for their denial of the game being available for download, that is pretty dumb of them. It has been proven and they themselves have admitted as much. AP may be running off of an old email or a clueless exec.

You know.... every time I see someone talk about 'pornographic violence' and 'torture porn', I keep jumping a grove and have to remember that these people have probably never actually _seen_ actual torture porn or actual pornographic violence. Very different bed of nails...

@Zerodash - The comments are made in this article.

@Zachary and Cppcrusader - I definitely understand your points. I too hold the same opinion that accessing the content, which TT claims has been removed, is not as simple as putting the disc in the console and saying "Open Says-a-me."

My big focus is on what and how TT brought up the 2 issues I'm ranting about. We know what is involved in gaming and game development, as such we know the inner workings.

However, I read and commented on the remarks from the perspective of lawmakers, Mr. Thompson, CSM and other critics of violent video games.

The way I read the first comment, appears as if the content is on a disc (color encoding system) and "only" requires a modded PS2.

@ GameDevMich

Well, and this is pure speculation as I haven't looked into the leaked version at all, it would technically be on A disc. I'm guessing that what got leaked was the build SCEE was doing localization with. So its most likely a disk image of the PAL encoded version which would have to be burned to a disc and then played on a modded system.

I can see how the statements can cause a knee-jerk reaction in the minds of critics like CSM and Thompson, who honestly seem to have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.

Really TT and CSM are just playing a semantics game right now. With CSM continuing to be a living, breathing oxymoron and TT just trying to find some new way of saying the same thing.

Let me get this straight... CSM is promoting the illegal download and exhibition of someone else's IP.

Not just that... TT and R* are not saying anything about it... except that "It's not proven" that it can be downloaded and played.

Manhunt 2 is available in the same way for download as "Slammin' Grannies 7" is.

@Jabrwock - Thank you! You got to the point!! =)

"Take Two should mention that..."

Zachary, CPP, and Jabrwock clearly defended TT with rational statements, and presented easy to understandable facts that even the most thick-headed parent and critic would comprehend.

More often than not, I criticize the wording used by defenders of games, and not the content. I know what they meant. You guys knew what they meant. So, why couldn't they just add in a few extra details so the rest of the knuckle-heads could understand?

Also, assuming TT/R* wins any legal action taken, it might prove to damage the credibility of the CSM. The WWE successfully sued the PTC for libel, and the PTC, to my knowledge, has been fairly quiet these last few years. Successfully being sued has a way of making you look bad.

@cppcrusader - You are probably right on the money. We know all about PR wording statements which allow wiggle room, don't we?

However, it usually results in our repeated forehead smashing on our cubicle desks. Yay corporations!

Wow, they actual admit they've illegally pirated a video game and plan to release images of it to the media before the game releases? This is a huge violation of copyright law and Rockstar has every right to press charges on their organization. I hope they do.

So let me get this straight:

* They want to throw down against T2 because of a copy of the game which not only requires a modded PS2 but a PAL-compatible screen, which most US people don't have (to my knowledge; are US sets normally both NTSC- and PAL-capable?).
* They're asking to "boycott" something that wasn't meant for the public at large anyway.
* They're demanding blood for an in-progress work, and not the end-result which is to be released.

There's something strange about this situation, but I just can't put my finger on it.

So, what's the game plan? My money is on misinformation. They're going to try to sell this footage to parents as from the release build (indirectly, in a cough-by-the-way-this-isn't-the-one-on-stores-cough manner), not the pre-censorship version mentioned previously.

Unless T2 fires that piracy counterattack, this could snowball pretty quickly.

@ Steve

It could be either one, but Take Two is in charge and has more at stake.

@ GameDevMich

PR statements suck. For the most part I think they have a big hat with a thousand different ways to say "No Comment" without actually saying it.

In this issue, they are trying to get the point accross that Take Two has not provided the game for download, while still making it sound bad to do it.

It would be nice for companies to say exactly what they want without having to worry about their image, but alas they have too.

All Better.

On the lawsuit side of things, CSM has a little bit of a buffer when it comes to fair use. Unfortunately, I don't think that they have enough. They are using footage to comment critique etc., but they are doing so to specifically damage the reputation of the IP owner, and prevent sales of the IP. They are also using footage of the game in a public setting, for commercial game. They are using this to game recognition for their organization, bolster membership and donations. So they do have commercial gain from other peoples IP.

This goes much more beyond the reviews of games on their website.

Take Two has all the law on their side, but will they use it? Will they have the guts to stand up for themselves beyond complaining about it?

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but we should also note too that CSM apparently has a modded PS2.

I think Take Two was very smart about how they responded to the accusation of how the unrated version was available.


"A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."

Basically, the only way you could have gotten those images is if you downloaded the content illegally, and then modded your ps2. What do you have to say for yourself now CSM? :-p

CSM seems to have went through alot of trouble to make a point....or no trouble at all. I wonder if they bought a pre-modded ps2 or modded it themselves.

I have seen several mentions implying that CSM used a released (if coded) version of the title to get the pics which do not exist in the finished product. Thing is there is a big difference between "released" and "leaked" which is mentioned in the story. If it were released then RS/TT might well be liable for it (not sure how the law would work there but the logic is sound) but leaked puts it outside the control of TT, illegal to download, own and use.

The whole downloading illegal software, modding a machine to play it then claiming it is "available to all" is clearly bull. But such legal fictions are common.

Not sure if it would be wise for TT to attempt to sue CSM over this though. As mentioned earlier it could easy be turned against them. They could and should (imo) use the leverage of it being illegal to have the whole matter tossed out of court.

@ Waffles

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

@PeterWDawson - You probably didn't read the prior posts, but the adj. pornographic is not exclusive to sexual content.

Go to dictionary.com and look up pornographic. The first and primary definition has nothing to do with sex.

Who wants to bet that news conference will be postponed?

@DAN

I'd prefer a counter-conference really.

So this is the dude who is running an organization that's supposed to impartially review video games and then rate them?

Doesn't seem very impartial to me. What a joke this man is.

I think my site (link on my name) sums up my opinion on this matter.

Doesn't TT have all the Legal grounds to Sue CSM into the ground? or at the Very least Humiliate them in court? I played the first Manhunt for about 15 mins before I got bored and that was on the Neo-Nazi level. I can't honestly see what the huge deal is. Parents should not buy this for kids for obvious reasons. I just Hope TT stands their ground and takes them to court.

Adding to my previous post, the key part of Take Two's takedown of "CS"M would be this criminalizing statement:

"Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday."

Anyone else wanna take that on?

Although, if they had said "pornographic content", we would have a much different discussion on our hands, mainly that CSM would be lying out their asses.

Whenever someone says "pornographic content", it means sex. That would have parents crying foul no matter if it was CSM or ESRB saying it: "Why is this porn game rated M and available at Best Buy?" they would ask.

As a buzz word, they really wanted to squeeze the term "porn" into the conversation just to make parents really think about the game. From our standpoint, because the term is "pornographic violence", we can't really argue against it because of the way the english langauge works: it does have multiple definitions, and we, the intellectuals, understand that. However, the average person, which CSM wishes to address, does not understand that.

Basically, it's a win-win from an argumentative standpoint for CSM.

The only reason these idiots throw around "Pornographic" is for the knee-jerk wow factor from the dim-minded. They're always saying "these evil, violent, pornographic games." How many X-rated games come out a year? Like 2? And usually only by direct order from the makers or online download. They use it as a weapon in their crusade, even though it holds no relevance to the subject at hand.

So, we'll have the government break down the door of a modder and take all of his consoles, computers, etc., but a major organization uses modded material to launch a campaign that borders on libel, and nothing is done. Furthermore, since the images are from an earlier, non-esrb approved version, couldn't TT or R* file a cease and desist on the grounds of copyright infringement. After all, Common Sense is effectively using someone else's material to draw attention to their campaign by showing copyrighted material in a public forum without the consent of the original creator. That alone smacks of copyright infringement and bad business taste.

@ John Bruce Thompson
[sarcasm] How very Christian of you. [/sarcasm]

@jack thompson, attorney

Yes, this is a great country, where a game company can release their works unhindered by by little boys thinking they're lawyers.

"I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!"

Is that a threat on his life, Thompson?

@JT

Sure, you just keep telling yourself that Jacko :p .

John Bruce,
Siding with Organized Crime now, eh? After all, CSM did Public admit to violations of Federal Law regarding their criminal act of Piracy. Now you are siding with them.

Oh, and making terrorist threats against citizens of the US, shameful! Just shameful!

In case you've forgotten, you had someone arrested for making a clearly sarcastic claim about a potential school shooting. So, viewing your terrorist threat of harm against someone in Public isn't all that bright an idea either.

I've already reported CSM to authorities. I guess I have to do the same in regards to your threat, and show your own stance regarding "sarcasm" and how it should be handled legally. After all, if you think everyone else should be held responsible for THEIR actions, stupid or otherwise, then you surely must agree that YOU must be held legally responsible for YOUR OWN actions. Unless you're telling us that that Demon-Pretender-To-The-Throne-Of-Heaven is telling you that you are above the law. Which shows just how corrupt, dishonorable, and unethical you are.


Nightwng2000
NW2K Sftware

I would like to point out that a very good novel, A Clockwork Orange, is currently available at most major book retailers, and contains violence that not only can be called "ultra-violent" by the media, but actually refers to "ultraviolence" in the story itself. Let's see...rape, murder...wanton fistfighting...

Man, I don't believe anyone card checked me when I went to Barnes & Noble to buy that book years ago.

But more on topic - The game has an M rating. It says clearly on the box it is only meant for 17+ year olds. If a parent chooses to ignore it, or has determined that their child can "handle it," then that's their own problem, not the retailers.

Jack has a one track mind; he's ignoring the fact that we're pointing out the obvious flaws in his arguments and charging forwards like a bull with this load of bull, as it were.

He even shot off a letter to every Florida state attorney this morning... then buried a copy of it in the old NY Times article; http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/29/new-york-times-previews-manhunt-2/#co...

I've proven him wrong enough. I'm sitting back and watching the show.

@JackyBoy

Oh John...when will you ever learn. I'm afraid you're the only one burning. Burning in the flames of your own idiocy.

SaltyWound, logical human being and you're not!

@ JT

Sure, whatever floats your boat sparky *cough* denial *cough*

It seems like JT is openly admitting to conspiracy to deprive people of their God given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Isn't that illegal?

jack thompson, attorney Says:

October 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I am pleased to report that I spent time on the phone today with the Common Sense Media folks, and they’re loaded for bear. Is this a great country, or what, when you can actually do something about predatory corporate practices!?

I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!

Jack Thompson

THAT IS NOT EVEN JACK THOMPSON ITS MY MATE KIDDING USE ALL ON HES AN ASSHOLE

@EZK

I fully support removing JT from the public, by his own words he is a menace to the safety of people around him and all of society in general.

Don't worry Jacko, there's just going to be some men that come by with a nice jacket to take you to a nice padded cell before a court appointed psychologist announces what we here already know, that you are completely crazy and belong in an asylum. Unless of course you keep trying to convince people you're still sane, in which case I'd send SWAT in after you based on what you've admitted to and threatened here, as anyone who is sane can not say these things without being dangerous on some level high enough to justify the use of SWAT.

Probably should better consider who you support too, since you're now supporting a company that has publicly admitted to some serious illegal activities. The fact that you even harbor the idea that this illegally acting group is not only good, but will also somehow harm Take Two is absurd and shows a distinct lack of rational and logical judgment ability. This is only another example of how you fail at life and will cling to anything that can be viewed by your twisted malfunctioning mind as supporting your side, thinking it's the greatest thing and will suddenly bring the industry to its knee's. Guess what Jack, you've said about the same thing so many times I don't want to even try counting them all and not a damn thing has happened, ever, period, at all.

Anyone worth calling a human would realize they were wrong and move onto real topics where they could work for good, but not you, you keep trying to infringe our rights using lies where the only proof of them is in your demented psyche all while claiming that you're working for the forces of good. So far all you've managed to do is make the people who could have helped your cause (judges and other lawyers) either think you're insane or you've ticked them off so much that they hate you. There is no conspiracy, you piss off people in your own field enough that they're all sick of your crap and the enemy you have created for yourself is banding together to seal your fate. May someone out there have mercy on your poor wretched soul, for I see no one outside of the alarmist media who even tolerates you anymore, and I very much doubt that God will look favorably on you in the end.

Chill out, everyone. Jack isn't claiming to have committed illegal acts or threatening anybody's life. It's humour and would be interpreted as such.

@Jack Thompson, attorney (and I'm not)
If you truly uphold the law, why don't you go after the CSM, which violated federal law in the following ways:
1. Illegal downloading
2. Illegal possession
3. Illegal dispaly
The CSM admitted to the aforementioned. How about you go after the CSM? Why not report them to the Feds?...Oh wait, that's right, you hate the industry so much that when a watchdog group breaks the law, you applaud it. Speaking of breaking the law, you said that you like the smell of Zelnick burning. That sounds like a threat on his life. You, as an attorney, should know that.

general531, articulate and intellegent human being (and you're not).

@Nightwing 2000
Do you have a written copy of the report and if you do can you provide a link, please?

All this hoopla is useless, I think the Common Sense thing to do would be tell parents to read the ratings and be parents! Apparently, Common Sense Media (tm) does not have a lick of common sense.

It's a (bizarrely-chosen) culture reference to Apocalypse Now. If he had said he was going to "hang him out to dry" would you take that literally too? What if he was going to "bury" him? He's talking about ruining his reputation and livelihood, not actually setting him on fire.

@ Matthew

I took it in jest and responded accordingly. JT has taken every symblance of a threat from gamers and turned them into the authorities (whether it went anywhere or not is beside the point). It is simply poetic to do the same to him. Not that I would seriously consider anything he says as a true threat.

Did the CSM use an illegally modified PS2 to obtain this footage?

Personally, I belive this all plays into rockstars hands, and yes, at the same time, I can't help but think this is gonna turn into a world class legal war when rockstar decides CSM needs to shut up and sicks the feds on them. After all, they did publicly admit to piracy. ((it's a stretch, I know))

That being said, this whole mess just gives R* free advertising. Great job, RETARDS!

Yeah CSM, let's just ignore the fact that Saw IV came out this weekend. It's WAY less bloody then Manhunt 2.

Wait what? Saw IV is EXTREMELY bloody?

Also, Lust, Caution is in the theaters, perverting our children's minds. It's rated NC-17, so the makers clearly knew children would see it.

(Same argument, folks. Same argument.)

'Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday.'

1: They admitted downloading it, which is illegal.
2: They are offering to display Adults Only rated material at a public gathering, which is not only, I suspect, illegal, but a great way of protecting children, don't you think?

Sorry for the triple post, but I have been thinking about this and I have something to say about it, sorry for being blatant, but quite frankly, it has to be.

If the ESA do not investigate this admitted breach of copyright laws by CSM, then I will consider it as permission to download and mod whatsoever I desire. I haven't downloaded illegal software before, mostly because I prefer the support systems in place for legally downloaded stuff, the ability to patch the product, the ability to play online etc, but considering how hard the ESA comes down on average Joe's when it comes to this sort of thing, if they do not react to a blatant admission by CSM then I will consider their positions and their actions as nothing but Hippocrisy and a chance to step on the 'little guy'.

So ESA, the ball is in your court here, you claim to support all these copyright laws, and believe that Modding and Downloading is damaging the market. Prove you can walk the walk as well as you talk the talk or it is nothing but hot air.

The CSM is showing you the way people, if you want it, but can't get it, download it. Is that the image the ESA want CSM to be projecting to children?

General,
Sorry to take so long to get back to you.

If you mean the report I made to authorities regarding the criminal acts of CSM, they were made at several websites designed to accept reports of Software Piracy. I don't have any email auto replies yet, but if any are sent, I'll post them.

If you mean the story about the kid that John Bruce had arrested despite the email clearly being a stupid sarcastic comment, here's one of several blog posts, which include links to various sites, including a news report in The Daily Californian.

Since it was clear that John Bruce took the clearly sarcastic email as real and the authorities took it as real, then there is no reason why John Bruce's own comments about burning someone as well as his clear association with a Publically admitted Organized Crime organization, the CSM, shouldn't be taken seriously by authority figures as well.

I've always been an advocate of consistancy in the legal system, whether for good OR ill. And THIS is one (actually TWO) of those times.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

"Speaking of Deer Hunter, where’s the public outcry against the violence there, huh? "

Because those who oppose hunting are (for the most part) smart enough to realise that hunting fake deer does not hurt real deer and will probably not influence you to hunt real deer.

@Kincyr

Actually, not sure how I missed it, but the press release later says this: "Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online..."

So looks like they downloaded the whole game too. I really hope someone in the video game industry takes legal action against them.

@ Jaberwock

"So yeah, illegal, but a minor issue."

Not really, considering the amount of time anti-piracy folks going after people who can't possibly pay, and so have to settle, this would have been the perfect time to make high profile arrests. They had footage that was illegally obtained - why should they get away with it. Especially considering they admitted it.

@ Matthew

"Chill out, everyone. Jack isn’t claiming to have committed illegal acts or threatening anybody’s life. It’s humour and would be interpreted as such."

Because it'd be beautifully ironic to see him hoisted on his own petard? :p If anyone were to do it, my hope would be that Jack would learn from it. But then, I am very hopeful for humanity - guess I haven't become quite that cynical

@ ooftygoofty

"Also, Lust, Caution is in the theaters, perverting our children’s minds. It’s rated NC-17, so the makers clearly knew children would see it."

My god! We must stop it now! Quick, someone go make a cam copy of it so we can show it at a press conference! After all, if we're doing it for the greater good, then we'll be immune from any sort of prosecution!

@GoodRobotUs

"If the ESA do not investigate this admitted breach of copyright laws by CSM, then I will consider it as permission to download and mod whatsoever I desire. I haven’t downloaded illegal software before, mostly because I prefer the support systems in place for legally downloaded stuff, the ability to patch the product, the ability to play online etc, but considering how hard the ESA comes down on average Joe’s when it comes to this sort of thing, if they do not react to a blatant admission by CSM then I will consider their positions and their actions as nothing but Hippocrisy and a chance to step on the ‘little guy’."

Huzzah, Good sir! I hadn't considered that approach, but yes, if no action is taken against CSM, then everyone on the planet has a carte blanche.

I don't actually support piracy, but it's a good way to look at it.

@nightwng2000

"I’ve already reported CSM to authorities."

And bravo, kudos, and nicely played to you.

@Jack Thompson, Attorney (HAH!)

"I say nothing worth quoting"

This. Is. Not. About. You. You're not involved, and I actually highly doubt you spoke to someone. If you had, I believe the conversation would have been "good lord, get out of here, we don't want to associate with the likes of YOU!" I know that's something you've been getting from a lot of quarters these days, eh, Johnny?

Agh, meant to say too bad, not too pad.

Also, has anyone noticed how often JT quotes R-rated movies? It's like he wants to be called out on his hypocrisy.

How dare they? I say we protest at the press conference and crash it say...Chanting, Booing loudly, throwing tomatoes etc. This has to stop. Yee, CSM, I'll say this loud and clear... LEAVE OUR GAMES ALONE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!