Common Sense Media CEO Trashes Manhunt 2; City Hall Press Conference Today
Common Sense Media CEO Trashes Manhunt 2; City Hall Press Conference Today
October 30, 2007
As the Manhunt 2 launch draws near, the hurly-burly over the controversial game shifts to San Francisco where watchdog group Common Sense Media will hold a 10AM press conference at City Hall.On Friday GamePolitics reported that the organization was urging parents to boycott Manhunt 2. The game is scheduled to arrive in stores tomorrow.
There was a bit of an oops in CSM's Manhunt 2 bashing, however, as GP's Friday coverage pointed out. At least one gory scene detailed by the group - that of a police officer being decapitated by a shovel - apparently came from an early build of Manhunt 2 which was leaked online by an SCEE employee in September. A Rockstar press representative told GP the scene did not appear in the M-rated retail version of the game.
In the wake of Rockstar's denial, Common Sense Media issued a revised press release yesterday. The Associated Press picked up the story, which is now getting wide play in the mainstream media. CSM CEO Jim Steyer told the AP:
In my opinion, it's the most senselessly violent and offensive thing I've ever watched. It's disgusting. It's so violent, it struck me personally as pornographic violence.
The group acknowledged that the decapitated police officer image it released on Friday was from the leaked early version of the game:
Common Sense Media was able to download footage of an apparently unedited version of the game that is now available to download on the Internet. It is unclear which of the numerous gruesome scenes from the online version have been edited from [the retail version]...
CSM also wanted to know what changes were made by Rockstar that led to an M-rating from the ESRB:
Common Sense believes that parents, educators, and other consumers would benefit from knowing what specific parts of the game were edited or removed to get the rating reduced, but information about the re-rating process has been very limited.
Meanwhile, the ESRB told the Associated Press:
[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children.
Publisher Take Two Interactive reiterated its denial that the police decapitation scene was in the retail version of Manhunt 2:
A spokesman... said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission.
Take Two media representative Ed Nebb told the AP:
The claim that an unreleased version of Manhunt is readily available on the Internet, and that children can easily download and play the unrated game, has not been proven.
At today's press conference in San Francisco, CSM will be showing video clips from the leaked version. From the CSM press release:
Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday.
GP asked CSM if the location of the press conference at City Hall indicated that the San Francisco government was somehow getting involved, but a CSM representative nixed the idea. However, another source told GamePolitics that SF Mayor Gavin Newsome's press secretary is a former Common Sense Media employee.
California State Senator Leland Yee's district encompasses San Francisco as well, but a spokesman told GP that, as of last night, Yee was not involved. Yee, of course, is the architect of California's 205 video game law, currently under review by the U.S. Circuit Court. Yee has previously weighed in against Manhunt 2.
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It should be. And in their press release, they admitted to criminal behavior. I'd say the police should be on hand to make immediate arrests. Let's treat them like the organized crime organization they openly admit to being. Damn pirates!
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
They are just like every other group of manics looking to pin the blame on something.
"Common Sense Media was able to download footage of an apparently unedited version of the game that is now available to download on the Internet. It is unclear which of the numerous gruesome scenes from the online version have been edited from [the retail version]…"
Wow, they just openly admitted to breaking the law...
“it struck me personally as pornographic violence.”
I was under the impression that Dr. Lamb was not a Necrophiliac.
“Common Sense believes that parents, educators, and other consumers would benefit from knowing what specific parts of the game were edited or removed"
Possibly, but R* is under no obligation to disclose those details. You want to find out what the game is like? Go play it.
“[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children.”
That would have done on it’s own.
“showing video clips from the leaked version”
As in the version that isn’t going to be sold in the US tomorrow? Yeah, that’s real proof..
I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!
Jack Thompson
That's not "freely available", that's me looking at the prospect of getting away with illegally obtained material.
I've reported CSM's breach of copyright laws in a couple of places now. The Libel part of the claim will have to come from Rockstar, but the ESA seriously needs to deal with this properly, to not do so would, as you say, create a bad precedent.
I meant that if your report to law enforcement about the CSM was written, can you provides us a copy of what you said in the report by a link or can you post it here?
I'm... I'm confused why a press conference needs to be held to explain that 0_o . (especially in reference to just ONE "M" rated game.)
The mind... it boggles.
And quit misusing the word "boycott" already CSM.
Yes, they're holding a press conference to notify the public that the game is mature. Kinda makes you wonder what the rest of their schedule looks like...
Wednesday (31st)-Sky is Blue Press Conference 3:00 PM
Thursday (1st)-Black People Are Black and White People Are White Press Conference 2:30 PM
Thursday (1st)-Water Is Good For You 2:45 PM
Friday (2nd)-Special Presentation at the Glendale Boys and Girls Club Featuring Captain Obvious and Sidekick Common Sense
Then of course, as has been mentioned many times over, where is the complaining about movies and how they re-rate movies and what was cut. Of course that doesn't matter because the unrated directors cut will just be released on DVD.
What's so violent about hunting deer? ;)
they are using stuff from the illicit copy!
LOL
(I'm not being sarcastic toward you Distaria, I'm just trying to make a point...)
"Common sense" my ass.
Apparrently, Common Sense Media is under the impression that "Common Sense" is so UN-common, that people must be told exactly what to think.
On the plus side for R*, the free press just keeps rolling in...
"A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."
Honestly, does this strike anyone else as the stupidest comment to come from a TT representative considering the scandal over Hot Coffee? So, you can still access the removed content with a minute amount of effort?
"The claim that an unreleased version of Manhunt is readily available on the Internet, and that children can easily download and play the unrated game, has not been proven."
O_o Are you kidding me?!?!?! I'm...I'm...speechless. I am Utterly and totally dumbfounded right now.
I find it funny that CSM admitted to ILLEGALLY downloading an ILLEGAL copy of a game and then ILLEGALLY saying the content is in the finished game.
It doesn't make good sense for TT to sue CSM (bad publicity), but boy do they have grounds...
Isn’t downloading the game before the actual release (and then releasing information from it) very illegal?
Technically, if TT wanted to, they could slap around CSM for violating all sorts of DMCA stuff. But it would only give them more press time. And make TT look like they are trying to silence "the truth"... So yeah, illegal, but a minor issue.
Irony on aisle five; repeat, irony on aisle five please.
What is so "common sense" about exhibiting a leaked version of a game? I mean, why don't you show footage from the actual game?!
Memo to Jim Steyer:
Pornography applies to sex. There is no such thing as pornographic violence.
@dan187
Yes. The downloader can face hefty fines and jail time if convicted
I know if someone came up to me talking about how violent a game is, well before it's release, showed images the game company said are not in the release version, then said person loses in court for having an illegal version of the game, I'd not believe much of what they say after that.
Why should they not? TT already looks like a bad guy in the eyes of the Soccer mom. Gamers would only support them in the task.
If they don't go after CSM for copyright violation, what message does that send to other nanny groups? That it is okay to circumvent the law when you are "protecting the children"?
Remember, people are idiots.
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.
Yes, another definition involves sexual material, but the adjective pornographic is not exclusive to XXX movies/books/sites
Why do I think this? Well, the CSM is a watchdog group, protecting the family and all that. Rockstar and Take Two are already the whipping boys of the whole "crusade against violence" that's going on. If either one of them decided to sue CSM under the DMCA, the media is going to react with the standard "Rockstar hates family values!" that they always go after.
I don't know how this whole "shield the childrens" craze started, but it should just die off. Maybe once people realize that children who get participation medals, or get bumped up to the next grade level even if they don't do good enough to pass really AREN'T that much better off, they'll shut up about the children.
That's just my opinion
The sexual content of GTA: San Andreas was accessible on PCs via a mod, and on consoles via Action Replay codes.
Now, the violent action of decapitating a guard/officer Mr. Thompson and the CSM are using as ammunition has been confirmed to be in the game accessible via a modded PS2.
It makes you wonder what else you can access in the game? Pliers scene anyone?
What about their denial of an unrated version of the game being available for download? The CSM and many gamers say they have their copy, so how is this claim unproven?
Even so, I do agree that downloading and demonstrating the unrated copy of the game is morally wrong and lays the groundwork for possible legal action.
Still, the comments by TT are a major foot-in-the-mouth moment...I'm talking beyond the calf muscles here people!
I think you may have read the TT comments the wrong way.
The color encoding thing was a round-about, long winded way of saying the leaked version is a PAL version, which won't play on US systems without modding the console. They're not saying there is content there on the disc still, just that leaked version can't be played without a mod chip. I attribute the long winded, round-about way of saying to them trying to find a new way of saying to parents "Your kids can't download this and play it without modding their system.", as no one seemed to grasp that the last time around.
The other comment I think was made in the same vain. Note the qualifier of "easily". CSM is trying to make it seem like any 10 year-old can download the leaked version and play it without a problem, when in fact they would have to have a modded console in the first place to even attempt to play it. TT is just trying to combat that with a new wording of the same message since parents and the watchdog groups apparently still don't understand the whole of concept of mod chips.
"In my opinion, it’s the most senselessly violent and offensive thing I’ve ever watched. It’s disgusting. It’s so violent, it struck me personally as pornographic violence."
Can anyone spot the 2 very important words in his statement? That's corect, "opinion" and "personally". In MY opinion, reality tv is of no value to society, contributes to the deadening of intellect and should be banned. Personally, I find dance music to be appalling and would argue that it not be played in any public place. There's the thing though, opinions are like backsides, everyone has one. Also, when you take things personally, you cannot use that as a reason to ban it. One man's treasure is another man's trash.
" A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."
The only way a kid will see this version is if they have unrestricted access to the internet and to a modded PS2. I've never met anyone under 25 with a modded console of any kind, and allowing children unrestricted internet access is asking for trouble.
"Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday."
So they are admitting that they are showing clips that may not reflect actual game content, just like their cop/shovel picture. I hope they make more mistakes like that and TT take them to task over it. It is one thing to show people your game and tell them that it is violent. It is another thing altogether to show images and video that are not in the game and misrepresent the game to the press.
Can you provide a link to a source over the decap scene being unlockable on PS2? That is potentially huge news- and quite possibly the stupidest thing R* could do since Hot Coffee.
NEW Memo to CSM (talk about the pot and the kettle):
Why the fuck would you ILLEGALLY download a game (and admit to it in the press), ILLEGALLY possess it, and display the ILLEGAL copy to those attending your press conference knowingly? And to defame the game, the industry, the ESRB, and Rockstar by showing the ILLEGAL version? I hope and pray all of you at "CS"M have damn good lawyers, because illegally downloading, illegally possessing, and illegally displaying material is criminal under state and federal law. It is also against the law to use illegally obtained material to defame the ESRB, the ESA, and T2. Doing that is not only illegal, but dispicable. All of you at CSM are worse than ANY violent video game ever and far worse than those "evil" game developers that you, the PTC, all other watchdog groups, and Jack Thompson claim they are. All of you ought to be in jail for this sorry and criminal act.
Clean up on ailse COMMON SENSE!
@GP (NOT being a critic, I'm just commentating)
I've never read an article that left me as dumbfounded as this. I can't understand, for the life of me, why the CSM would stoop to such an idiotic and criminal low.
Thanks for the correction.
In defense of part of TT statements, the version the CSM is using is the unrated un edited version released in Sept. The one released in stores Tonight, will not have all the scenes the CSM is showing.
As for their denial of the game being available for download, that is pretty dumb of them. It has been proven and they themselves have admitted as much. AP may be running off of an old email or a clueless exec.
Because it's NOT common sense?
off-topic grammar nazi-ing:
@GP
"...Yee, of course, is the architect of California’s [b]205[/b] video game law..."
@Zachary and Cppcrusader - I definitely understand your points. I too hold the same opinion that accessing the content, which TT claims has been removed, is not as simple as putting the disc in the console and saying "Open Says-a-me."
My big focus is on what and how TT brought up the 2 issues I'm ranting about. We know what is involved in gaming and game development, as such we know the inner workings.
However, I read and commented on the remarks from the perspective of lawmakers, Mr. Thompson, CSM and other critics of violent video games.
The way I read the first comment, appears as if the content is on a disc (color encoding system) and "only" requires a modded PS2.
Well, and this is pure speculation as I haven't looked into the leaked version at all, it would technically be on A disc. I'm guessing that what got leaked was the build SCEE was doing localization with. So its most likely a disk image of the PAL encoded version which would have to be burned to a disc and then played on a modded system.
I can see how the statements can cause a knee-jerk reaction in the minds of critics like CSM and Thompson, who honestly seem to have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.
Really TT and CSM are just playing a semantics game right now. With CSM continuing to be a living, breathing oxymoron and TT just trying to find some new way of saying the same thing.
@GameDevMich
The way I read the first comment, appears as if the content is on a disc (color encoding system) and “only” requires a modded PS2.
By colour encoding, they mean it's PAL (European TV standard) vs. NTSC (mostly North American standard). So the game would look all choppy and cropped, and the frame rate would be out of sync (jerky motion).
And yeah, because it's a pre-release, played out of region, on a copied disc, you'd need a modded PS2...
Take Two should mention that, since they're in with the ESA on piracy issues. Accuse CSM of using criminal means to pirate the game illegally. Put them on the defensive.
Not just that... TT and R* are not saying anything about it... except that "It's not proven" that it can be downloaded and played.
Manhunt 2 is available in the same way for download as "Slammin' Grannies 7" is.
Which, unless I am mistaken, is a violation of copyright law.
Which, unless I am mistaken, means you could call the Business Software Alliance to perform an investigation of this organization who is illegally pirating software, which is punishable with jail time and a find of around $50,000 per violation found.
So, a law breaking organization wishes to institute a boycott against a version of a game that can only be obtained illegally. Interesting.
"Take Two should mention that..."
Zachary, CPP, and Jabrwock clearly defended TT with rational statements, and presented easy to understandable facts that even the most thick-headed parent and critic would comprehend.
More often than not, I criticize the wording used by defenders of games, and not the content. I know what they meant. You guys knew what they meant. So, why couldn't they just add in a few extra details so the rest of the knuckle-heads could understand?
They should. What CSM is doing is criminal under law and using the non-retail version to urge boycotts and to demonize the game, the developers, the ESRB, and the industry (and maybe even the gamers who buy this) is grounds for defamation (I'm also urging those groups to take legal action).
However, it usually results in our repeated forehead smashing on our cubicle desks. Yay corporations!
Bit of a Scrubs reference there? :P
* They want to throw down against T2 because of a copy of the game which not only requires a modded PS2 but a PAL-compatible screen, which most US people don't have (to my knowledge; are US sets normally both NTSC- and PAL-capable?).
* They're asking to "boycott" something that wasn't meant for the public at large anyway.
* They're demanding blood for an in-progress work, and not the end-result which is to be released.
There's something strange about this situation, but I just can't put my finger on it.
So, what's the game plan? My money is on misinformation. They're going to try to sell this footage to parents as from the release build (indirectly, in a cough-by-the-way-this-isn't-the-one-on-stores-cough manner), not the pre-censorship version mentioned previously.
Unless T2 fires that piracy counterattack, this could snowball pretty quickly.
they're going to rally against a company with an illegal copy of that company's game? screw that noise, lock 'em up.
It could be either one, but Take Two is in charge and has more at stake.
@ GameDevMich
PR statements suck. For the most part I think they have a big hat with a thousand different ways to say "No Comment" without actually saying it.
In this issue, they are trying to get the point accross that Take Two has not provided the game for download, while still making it sound bad to do it.
It would be nice for companies to say exactly what they want without having to worry about their image, but alas they have too.
I was under the impression that Dr. Lamb was not a Necrophiliac.
"They have no obligation to disclose said details.
"[The M-rating] is a very clear and firm warning to parents that the game is in no way intended for children."
That would have done on it's own.
"showing video clips from the leaked version"
As in the version that isn't going to be sold in the US tomorrow? Yeah, that's real proof..
I've seen a video of the execution moves uncensored, and it doesn't come close to this description really. Sure, it's extremely violent, but some movies have much worse content in them.
This goes much more beyond the reviews of games on their website.
Take Two has all the law on their side, but will they use it? Will they have the guts to stand up for themselves beyond complaining about it?
What would be nice is if some people with actual sense and nothing better to do went out to protest CSM's 'boycott' tomorrow.
I think Take Two was very smart about how they responded to the accusation of how the unrated version was available.
"A spokesman… said the unrated version used a color encoding system common to Western Europe and could be played in the United States only using a Sony PlayStation 2 console modified without company permission."
Basically, the only way you could have gotten those images is if you downloaded the content illegally, and then modded your ps2. What do you have to say for yourself now CSM? :-p
CSM seems to have went through alot of trouble to make a point....or no trouble at all. I wonder if they bought a pre-modded ps2 or modded it themselves.
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San Francisco! I mean. Come on. It's SAN FRANCISCO.
...not exactly the moral capitol of the world...*cough*
The whole downloading illegal software, modding a machine to play it then claiming it is "available to all" is clearly bull. But such legal fictions are common.
Not sure if it would be wise for TT to attempt to sue CSM over this though. As mentioned earlier it could easy be turned against them. They could and should (imo) use the leverage of it being illegal to have the whole matter tossed out of court.
@ Waffles
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
"Remain in your homes; do not panic. The leaders of your city are taking all precautions necessary to announce that Manhunt 2 is bad for your children. Keep them home from school if necessary to prevent them from purchasing this devil's plaything. Lock your doors; board up your windows. If you must go to the store for supplies do not gaze upon it's plastic case or you may be blinded."
Go to dictionary.com and look up pornographic. The first and primary definition has nothing to do with sex.
......... tell me you're joking.
CSM admitted to downloading the illicit version for use in the presser. T2 has the moral and legal right to sue and file criminal charges against "CS"M.
I'd prefer a counter-conference really.
Strictly speaking, "pornography," should only be sexually-oriented material. The word derives from a Greek phrase that means, literally, "the writing of prostitutes."
That said, English IS a living language, and common usage can create new meanings in additional to traditional meanings. I don't agree with using "pornography" to mean any objectionable material, because the original meaning had no such negative connotations... but I don't usually go out of my way to correct people who "misuse" it, either. If enough people use it that way, who am I to say that they're wrong?
Doesn't seem very impartial to me. What a joke this man is.
Er no. CSM is a parental watchdog group that is supposed to find, ID and warn of games that children should not play/view (in thier opinion anyways). Basically Moral Majority wannabes. That and busy bodies
You might be thinking of the ESRB. They are a neutral review broad that "rate" games. Their rating is much like that on movies. (They are also being attacked by JBT, as HE claims they are not neutral or somesuch)
What I really don't understand about all this...what the hell is Take Two supposed to do about a leaked copy? Are they supposed to shut down the Internet, so that little kiddies can't download the game that was STOLEN from Take Two? The whole thing stinks like CSM has a self-serving agenda they're going with no matter what.
"Common Sense downloaded a version of the game that is available online, and will be showing illustrative clips of that version to the press a day before the official title is scheduled to hit stores on Wednesday."
Anyone else wanna take that on?
The word, in context to the CSM statement, was the definition I posted much earlier in this thread.
Now, this doesn't mean I approve of the CSM statement. I think the term "pornographic violence" in itself does not make sense. Had they said "pornographic content," then our debate could continue on.
By both of our definitions of pornography, "pornographic violence" makes as much sense as saying "I can count to potato"
Whenever someone says "pornographic content", it means sex. That would have parents crying foul no matter if it was CSM or ESRB saying it: "Why is this porn game rated M and available at Best Buy?" they would ask.
As a buzz word, they really wanted to squeeze the term "porn" into the conversation just to make parents really think about the game. From our standpoint, because the term is "pornographic violence", we can't really argue against it because of the way the english langauge works: it does have multiple definitions, and we, the intellectuals, understand that. However, the average person, which CSM wishes to address, does not understand that.
Basically, it's a win-win from an argumentative standpoint for CSM.
"Manhunt 2 is available in the same way for download as “Slammin’ Grannies 7? is."
BitTorrent?
LMAO good one.....
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What do they mean my Pornographic violence? It certainly does not have nudity. Not in the M rated game anyway. So what does it mean? If Jack Thompson is watching this (which i know he is) I would really like to know what that means. He has used that term before. So what does Pornographic violence mean?
As for the availability of the game. You actually have to mob the system to allow the color system and to allow it to play CD RW's. Those are two mobs that are actually kinda hard to do.
I also happen to know that Best Buy, Walmart, GAMESTOP, EB, and Gamer Fiction card. So kids CAN'T get at these place.
CSM: Blaming games for our bad parenting.
[sarcasm] How very Christian of you. [/sarcasm]
Where do you get off supporting CSM and their clearly ILLEGAL activites involving the stolen Manhunt 2 content? Did you ever even go to law school?
Yes, this is a great country, where a game company can release their works unhindered by by little boys thinking they're lawyers.
"I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!"
Is that a threat on his life, Thompson?
In context, Pornographic Violence is a fancy way of saying, Drawn Violence. Pictures, drawings, and other media that serves no purpose to the public good at large and depict violent and or sexual based scenes. (Or so it seems.)
I agree, and am rather surprised that JBT has not chimed in with his rantings about how he agrees with the CSM (duh) and how RS/TT are in for a world of hurt now (or some-such).
CSM: Proving once again that a fool and his money are soon parted.
Sure, you just keep telling yourself that Jacko :p .
You DO realize that it's out already, right? Or is this like your plan to stop the 'October 25th' release of Halo 3?
Siding with Organized Crime now, eh? After all, CSM did Public admit to violations of Federal Law regarding their criminal act of Piracy. Now you are siding with them.
Oh, and making terrorist threats against citizens of the US, shameful! Just shameful!
In case you've forgotten, you had someone arrested for making a clearly sarcastic claim about a potential school shooting. So, viewing your terrorist threat of harm against someone in Public isn't all that bright an idea either.
I've already reported CSM to authorities. I guess I have to do the same in regards to your threat, and show your own stance regarding "sarcasm" and how it should be handled legally. After all, if you think everyone else should be held responsible for THEIR actions, stupid or otherwise, then you surely must agree that YOU must be held legally responsible for YOUR OWN actions. Unless you're telling us that that Demon-Pretender-To-The-Throne-Of-Heaven is telling you that you are above the law. Which shows just how corrupt, dishonorable, and unethical you are.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Sftware
@ JBT
Predatory corporate practices? Oh wait you mean making money?!? Not allowing those like you to dictate what they can or cannot make? And worse yet, not sharing their wealth with you? Grow up Jack, the universe does not revolve around you.
Oh and yes that Did sound like a threat on the life of Mr. Zelnick.
Man, I don't believe anyone card checked me when I went to Barnes & Noble to buy that book years ago.
But more on topic - The game has an M rating. It says clearly on the box it is only meant for 17+ year olds. If a parent chooses to ignore it, or has determined that their child can "handle it," then that's their own problem, not the retailers.
I think we have a pretty good case against JT. He has already admitted to buggin Zelnick's home and is now threating to burn him. I think we should report him to the authorities.
He even shot off a letter to every Florida state attorney this morning... then buried a copy of it in the old NY Times article; http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/29/new-york-times-previews-manhunt-2/#co...
I've proven him wrong enough. I'm sitting back and watching the show.
Yes, we should. I have already copied this information to another certain URL, which shall remain Anonymous unless needed.
Better yet, Jack doesn't know about it..
Oh John...when will you ever learn. I'm afraid you're the only one burning. Burning in the flames of your own idiocy.
SaltyWound, logical human being and you're not!
How desperate does the man get?
Sure, whatever floats your boat sparky *cough* denial *cough*
The ironic thing is, I actually find the Manhunt series very distasteful, and wouldn't buy it for myself or anybody else probably. But I'm not a fan of a group committing piracy, then proudly proclaiming they have done so while using footage from pirated materials to unjustly condemn a product and company.
October 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I am pleased to report that I spent time on the phone today with the Common Sense Media folks, and they’re loaded for bear. Is this a great country, or what, when you can actually do something about predatory corporate practices!?
I love the smell of burning Zelnick in the morning! Hooah!
Jack Thompson
THAT IS NOT EVEN JACK THOMPSON ITS MY MATE KIDDING USE ALL ON HES AN ASSHOLE
Last I heard, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words alone will not lead to the infringement of the 1st Amendment rights and artstic freedoms of Americans"
... or something like that.
I fully support removing JT from the public, by his own words he is a menace to the safety of people around him and all of society in general.
Don't worry Jacko, there's just going to be some men that come by with a nice jacket to take you to a nice padded cell before a court appointed psychologist announces what we here already know, that you are completely crazy and belong in an asylum. Unless of course you keep trying to convince people you're still sane, in which case I'd send SWAT in after you based on what you've admitted to and threatened here, as anyone who is sane can not say these things without being dangerous on some level high enough to justify the use of SWAT.
Probably should better consider who you support too, since you're now supporting a company that has publicly admitted to some serious illegal activities. The fact that you even harbor the idea that this illegally acting group is not only good, but will also somehow harm Take Two is absurd and shows a distinct lack of rational and logical judgment ability. This is only another example of how you fail at life and will cling to anything that can be viewed by your twisted malfunctioning mind as supporting your side, thinking it's the greatest thing and will suddenly bring the industry to its knee's. Guess what Jack, you've said about the same thing so many times I don't want to even try counting them all and not a damn thing has happened, ever, period, at all.
Anyone worth calling a human would realize they were wrong and move onto real topics where they could work for good, but not you, you keep trying to infringe our rights using lies where the only proof of them is in your demented psyche all while claiming that you're working for the forces of good. So far all you've managed to do is make the people who could have helped your cause (judges and other lawyers) either think you're insane or you've ticked them off so much that they hate you. There is no conspiracy, you piss off people in your own field enough that they're all sick of your crap and the enemy you have created for yourself is banding together to seal your fate. May someone out there have mercy on your poor wretched soul, for I see no one outside of the alarmist media who even tolerates you anymore, and I very much doubt that God will look favorably on you in the end.
That's why I think he has a form of 'tunnel vision' dimentia. It's like how American sailors described Kamikaze pilots as being dead focused straight ahead, and never looking around like any normal pilot would.
The Florida looney has his sights set on what he thinks is a Battleship, but in reality is a tuna boat, and doesn't notice the suadron of interceptors crawling up his ass.
JT's left plenty of threats here before about stuff it would be reasonable to believe him capable of doing, with his deteriorating mind it's better safe than sorry if he does snap. Take his threats serious until proven that they aren't and lock him up for a while to cool off at the least.
If you truly uphold the law, why don't you go after the CSM, which violated federal law in the following ways:
1. Illegal downloading
2. Illegal possession
3. Illegal dispaly
The CSM admitted to the aforementioned. How about you go after the CSM? Why not report them to the Feds?...Oh wait, that's right, you hate the industry so much that when a watchdog group breaks the law, you applaud it. Speaking of breaking the law, you said that you like the smell of Zelnick burning. That sounds like a threat on his life. You, as an attorney, should know that.
general531, articulate and intellegent human being (and you're not).
@Nightwing 2000
Do you have a written copy of the report and if you do can you provide a link, please?