I think that news report wasn't so bad. I think the poster think shows a very powerful message that most parents will only see the poster or the image and will judge for themselves, which is okay i guess (they should have to play the game to see if thats good for thier kids or not). I mean some M-rated games are okay for kids like Resident Evil because its fantasy horror with a good story. Anyway, I know if I had a kid, i wouldnt let my kid buy some game if the dude on the cover is holding a syringe as a weapon. And putting it next to Mario Party is rather unfortunate too..

“No adults shouldn’t play something in their house that they tell their kids they can’t play too”

So as an adult I lose all my rights to play the games I want to play or to watch the movies I want to see, in the time my kids would be asleep? That woman is delusional.

@JT

The R logo on the box that looks almost like an RP logo, is the logo of Rockstar. So you may want to get your eyes checked Jack. Now I understand why you see the things you see, you have geezer vision.

Holy crap, it's just one video game, can we stop freaking out over it? Nobody complained about Resident Evil DS or Dementum: the Ward.

the only reason people are freaking out about it is because it is from rockstar. plus the media loves finding bad things about video games because they are competition. just like the movie industry tried to bring down TV by saying it made you zombies. or the theater industry trying to bring down the movie industry because of the same thing. eventually something else will come along and we will see the VG industry bashing that. I have no idea what it could possibly be, but one can only dream... holodeck! woo!

This almost isn't a bad thing, y'know. "The poster makes this game look horrifying and disgusting - I refuse to play it or let my children play it" is an entirely valid viewpoint. "The poster makes this game look horrifying and disgusting - this game should be banned and made illegal" is not.

That was horrible. They made no attempt to mention parental controls and only a fleeting mentioned the rating. Gotta love how the reporter takes a moment to read the content descriptors and point out where its located on the shelf. "OH MY GOD! He's gonna kill Mario! Then he’ll light up a joint and bang a prostitute!”

Hey, let's talk about the Sex Club in the game.

You know, the first Hitman game started in a psych ward too, and the point of the game was to kill people. Professionally. Without remorse. For a paycheck.

Nowhere near this much breast beating. The activist industry has really built up some great hype turbines over the years.

"And putting it next to Mario Party is rather unfortunate too.. "

Well since most video game stores are organized alphabetically I can only guess that MARio would come near MANhunt. Now for the bratz, that was probably misplaced (intentionally?) next to manhunt. And in any case it doesnt really matter where it appears on the shelf. All those cases are empty, the games are kept locked away behind the counter, especially newly released games.

Reporter Tim Miller holds up a poster, of all things, and asks parents outside the store for their reaction. To a poster…

I wonder if he was seeking the soundbyte of the one parent who looks at the poster and thinks it's ok to buy for their 10 year old.

Well, I'm gonna say, having seen Hostel and played Manhunt, Hostel is the worse of the two evils.

And no, being able to control the violence doesn't make it worse; that's retarded JT bullshit.

Manhunt 2 is for ADULTS
From all the politicians point of views video games are for KIDS
Therefore, they think Manhunt 2 was made for kids because it's a video game.

Quite sad actually.

Jack Thompson says: "A kid is asked how old he is. Duh. See about 500 Internet articles on how and why this is not age verification."

Jack, you must be an idiot. How can a kid get a credit card to order stuff on the internet? But for argument sake, let's say 0.0001% of kids actually manage to get a credit card, maybe stealing one from their parents or something, do you think a kid is going to take that opportunity to buy a game like Manhunt or any other video game for that matter, or is he going to use the credit card to access porn or something more interesting to a teenager (like buying ringtones and itunes) and not easily traceable (someone has to accept physical delivery of the product a kid orders from Best Buy right?). What is wrong with you, seriously, are you not capable of logical thinking?

The issue is not whether a kid can order something online such as a videogame, because there are much more harmful stuff that can be ordered online, including weapons and drugs. The issue is about parental supervision and involvement. The game is not intended for kids. Tobacco and Alcohol are not intended for kids, yet many kids found means to smoke or drink illegally, that was way before the internet even existed. We try to discourage kids from engaging in sexual activity until they reach an appropriate age, yet some underage kids have had sex whether we liked it or not, long before the internet allowed them to order the latest sex manual. When kids commit acts of violence, and I'm talking shooting others and such, they don't order the guns on the internet, they pick them up from the cases in their living room kept by their parents. Stop being an idiot for once. Imagine a world where no kid can order mature games off the internet, would that solve your problem with access? No, you know why? Because 99.98% of the mature games kids have access to, they did so through their own parents or siblings or at a friend's house and such. That's your problem there, it's pointless to go after Best Buy, Rockstar, or Howard Stern. If kids are actually being harmed by these games, and no such scientific evidence exist, then you should find the means to educate and inform the kids about these effects. The reduction in violence, smoking, STD diseases, and teen pregnancies were the result of education and awareness campaigns, not the result of shutting down tobacco companies or reduction of violence and sex programming on TV and the internet.

Do you get it?

@JT

Hey, let’s talk about the Sex Club in the game.

Why, is there gay sex you're offended at? It's rated M, and you and your cohorts are out reminding parents that they are failing the land of Jesus if they buy this for their kids. Duh.

Unless you've been lying all this time, and really you're against sex in media... period.

Apologize for the multiposts.

I'm surprise Jack's not pulling a CSM and claiming you can decapitate cops with a shovel in the final version. Just as big a lie, but hey, he's an expert on Fox, he's legally allowed to lie...

John Bruce (liar and fraud),
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8336231&st=manhunt+2&lp=1&...

"Rated MManhunt 2 - PlayStation 2
Publisher: Rockstar Games | SKU: 8336231
Release Date: 10/30/2007
ESRB Rating: M=Mature "

did anyone notice what that mom said when she saw the poster?

"No adults shouldn't play something in their house that they tell their kids they can't play too"

That part made my jaw drop. So if I had a kid, I couldn't own an M-rated game. Thanks, lady.

Motion to delete JT's second post on the grounds that it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

So Jack, we should punish a company because kids lie about their age to get a product they sell. Makes perfect sense in crazy land.

I love how the media unintentionally hyped this game so much. I haven't seen one ad for this game on TV, and I remember there being ones for the first Manhunt.

So now the game sells more copies, which kids will then buy on ebay (which I wonder why nobody bothers them about selling M rated games to kids). Oh well, in a world with the Pain Olympics freely available on the internet for anyone to see, we worry about a game, with a clear rating, that one must purchase along with having the system to play it on.

Wild Jack Thompson appeared!

GP used logic!

GP stated the obvious!

Its Super Effective!

Ok, wow. Jack is really an idiot. He posted a link for a secure sign on page that was tied to his shopping cart, so of course the 'evidence' he supplies is not viewable by anyone else.

Damn, and I here I thought he had the IQ of warm tapioca pudding..., it just got downgraded to Goldfish.

@Icehawk

We have a Second. All in favor post Yes or IE.

Honestly, even if kids CAN get their hands on the game, does that mean that any of them actually want to? The original Manhunt didn't sell too well, and I doubt that the majority of those who actually bought it were kids. Why, because it's not the type of action/violence kids are attracted to. Kids like violent entertainment, no doubt, but only when it's stylized in such a way as to look "cool". That's why shows like DragonballZ are popular, and why kids like Halo etc. Speaking from my own experience as a child, I never was interested in horrific, super-realistic violence. Why? Because it scared me. And I'd be willing to bet that the majority of kids up to the age of say, 12 would feel the same way. Plus, the game isn't exactly a AAA title. It's not as if people are waiting outside Best Buys to get their hands on a copy the second the game cames out.

@The woman who said that if parents do not allow their kids to play this game, their parents souldn't play this game in their house.

So when I have children, I lose my constitutional right to watch what I want to watch, listen to what I listen to, and to play what I want to play just because I told my kids no? That has got to be one of the most JACKED UP statements ever.

Can I get a witness from the congregation?

when did jt start working for R*?

Damn right its not Child's Play, thats a movie and kids can see that

@ jack thompson, attorney:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8336473&st=manhunt+2&lp=2&...

Seems rated to me.

Oh also, citing "about 500 internet articles" as a source is somewhat less than credible, but its okay, I understand what you mean anyways. That being said, if you have such a problem with Best Buy's age verification systems, then sue 'em. Thats the American way, right? Besides, you've had such luck with lawsuits before, you might as well get another one in before you lose your ability to practice law altogether. Have a wonderful day.

"it next to something that is E rate" and your point is? Are you worried it badness and evilness is contagious? Aww other game might get sick awww. lol No real what the hell. And in the lady defense she was worry what she would be a hypocrite. Which is was we have been argue this whole time about JT. While I thing she a little wrong. I do see her point but that just me. Also their is another concern for parent who buy this game that there kids might get in to it or bring in over a friend house that doesn't have parental controls. I do think that the game should be ban for these reason know. Do I thing that parent can buy the game for them self? Sure. I can see see her point.

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Motion to ignore Jack Thompson from all GP posts. We already know what hes going to say and most of the time is insulting and irrelevant. We have a second.


All in favor post yes

2 yes

0 no

1. Sex club? Why is a sex club bad? What is wrong about a fictional depiction of sex; especially when the sex is consentual?

2. For the conservative, bible thumping pigs:

Shove your moral facism back up your gullible asses. Your backwards and perverse interpretation of morality has no binding on other humans. Crawl back between the pages of the paticular hate manual of your fancy; your ficticious, contradictory, and inconsistant value systems are only applicable to you.

ANY CONTENT IN A FICTIONAL SETTING IS MORALLY PERMISSABLE. PERIOD.

3. For the retarded, ignorant, parent in the video:

Shove your sick and perverted, freedom-hating, values back up your ass. Your sick morality has no binding on my freedom. Keep your hate to yourself.

4. For the last time, ignorant parents:

VIDEO.
GAMES.
ARE.
NOT.
THE.
EXCLUSIVE.
PROPERTY.
OF.
CHILDREN.

*dies laughing* oh sensationalism...and they wonder why i refuse to watch TV anymore....

Its all a fad. First it was comic books, then it was movies, then it was rock and roll, now its video games. Within 15-20 years this whole furore will be forgotten about except within the all-knowing vaults of our memories and wikipedia.

And I love the example AB gave about the poster. The Manhunt2 poster is nothing compared to the likes of violent movie posters, like the non-threatening T2 or the disturbing Saw and Hostel movies.
Hell, if that scene in Kill Bill wasn't in black and white...

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