ESRB Clears Rockstar/T2 in Manhunt 2 Hack Investigation

The following statement was read by ESRB president Patricia Vance (left) during a conference call which wrapped up moments ago:

Earlier this week we learned about a hack into the code of the PSP and PS2 versions of the game that removes special effects filters that were put in place to obscure certain violent depictions.  We have investigated the matter and concluded that unauthorized versions of the game have been released on the Internet along with instructions on how to modify the code to remove the special effects. 

Once numerous changes to the game’s code have been made and other unauthorized software programs have been downloaded to the hardware device which circumvent security controls that prevent unauthorized games from being played on that hardware, a player can view unobscured versions of certain violent acts in the game.  Contrary to some reports, however, we do not believe these modifications fully restore the product to the version that originally received an AO rating, nor is this a matter of unlocking content. 

Our investigation indicates that the game’s publisher disclosed to the ESRB all pertinent content in the authorized Mature-rated version of Manhunt 2 now available in stores, and complied with our guidelines on full disclosure of content. 

What parents, and indeed all consumers, need to be aware of is that computer software and hardware devices are susceptible to unauthorized modification.  Parents should be cognizant of whether or not their children are engaging in unauthorized modification of their games, consoles or handhelds, as those modifications can change game content in ways that may be inconsistent with the assigned ESRB rating. That being said, the vast majority of consumers have not made the unauthorized modifications to their hardware necessary to view the content at issue. 

A follow-up press release contains these quotes, attributed to Vance:

Manhunt 2’s rating makes it unmistakable that the game is intended for an older audience.  The unauthorized hacking into the code of this game doesn’t change that basic fact.

Parents need to be vigilant about monitoring what their children are downloading on the Internet and ensure that they are not making unauthorized and oftentimes illegal modifications to software and hardware that remove the controls the industry has so diligently put in place for their own protection.

There is also an ESRB-authored Q&A attached to the press release:

Q. How is this situation different from the “Hot Coffee” incident?

A. The Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas “Hot Coffee” situation involved a scene that was a) fully rendered in an unmodified form on the disc (the Hot Coffee mod did not alter the content that was there, it merely unlocked it), b) not previously disclosed to the ESRB during the rating process, and c) easily accessible to all owners of the PC version of the game.  Conversely, in the case of Manhunt 2, a) content that was programmed to be part of the game (i.e., visual blurring effects of certain violent depictions) is being modified, b) the content was previously disclosed to the ESRB, and c) unauthorized versions of software and/or hardware are required to play the modified content.  

Q. How is this situation different from the one with “The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion?”

A. After the release of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, the ESRB discovered extensive amounts of fully rendered and previously undisclosed blood and gore in the game that warranted a Mature rating.  In addition, there was a fully rendered anatomically detailed art file of a topless female character present on the disc that had not been previously disclosed to the ESRB during the rating process.  The blood and gore was accessible to all owners of the PC and Xbox 360 versions of the game.  The partial nudity was accessible to all owners of the PC version of the game if they downloaded a modification available on the Internet that replaced one version of character artwork for another, both of which existed in a fully rendered form on the disc.  Conversely, with Manhunt 2, a) the content in question was previously disclosed to the ESRB, b) the content is being modified by removing the obscuring blur effect that was programmed as part of the game, and c) unauthorized versions of software and/or hardware are required to play the modified content.   

Q. Why does this instance not fall under the ESRB’s disclosure rule clarification requiring that locked-out content contained in the code on a game disc be considered in the assignment of a rating?

A. Our rule clarification following Hot Coffee required that pertinent content that is programmed to be locked out but which exists in an unmodified, fully rendered form on game discs must either be removed or disclosed to ESRB during the rating process.  In the case of Manhunt 2, the scenes in question were playable (not locked-out), programmed to include the blur effect, and fully disclosed to the ESRB. 

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    Matthew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This hack removes the filter that slightly obscures some of the violent material, but doesn’t hide it completely.

    Instead of being compared to Hot Coffee, it should be compared to the Oblivion nude mod which removes the clothing that covers up the bare skin. Except in Manhunt 2, you can already see the skin; the clothing just blurs it slightly.

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    Matthew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    It doesn’t matter whether the hack unlocks hidden content or not? They should be punished for creating a game that can be hacked? They have done nothing wrong here.

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    […] I’ve mostly said my piece in previous entries, I don’t feel the need to revisit it, but I will at least comment. Rockstar, ultimately, is not responsible for the hacking of their products. However, I can’t really fake allot of sympathy. Simply put, editing the violent/objectionable acts by simply adding a “blurry-cam” effect over the top is like cleaning your room by sweeping all the junk under the rug. It may clear the place out, but it’s only a matter of time before someone trips on the rug. I really wish they had behaved more responsibly. Let me be clear, I do not particularly mind the presence of the content; I do not feel any need to support OR protest it. However, by changing the AO version of Manhunt2 the way they did, Rockstar has succeeding in dragging the ESRB into yet another controversy. It’s well known and widely lamented that the ESRB may not be perfect, however, it’s what we have for the time being, and I’d hate to see it fail and be replaced by something worse because Rockstar insisting on taking it down with them as collateral damage. […]

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    Scrubking says:

    Jack Thompson is right. The ESRB lost all credibility when they decided to punish Hot Coffee even though it was a hack and now try to admonish Manhunt 2 because of a hack. You can’t have it both ways. Either the ESRB is wrong about Hot Coffee or they are wrong about Manhunt 2.

    If the ESRB would have listened to common sense and people like me saying that Take-Two shouldn’t be punished for Hot Coffee they wouldn’t be in this mess.

    And no, it doesn’t matter if the content was hidden or not. A hack is a hack. Hot Coffee wouldn’t have been playable without the hack.

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    rdeegvainl ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Jack Thomspson
    This will be the ESRB’s last stand. It is utterly foolish for the ESRB to declare that content that can be unlocked in the game, while that prompted a recall of GTA:SA, should not prompt a recall of the PSP copies on store shelves now of Manhunt 2. The ESRB’s position does not exonerate T2. It incriminates the ESRB. I’m in Dennis McCauley’s Philadelphia today to discuss these things on a panel at the video game expo. All are welcome to participate, except Dennis McCauley. Enjoy the below. I did:

    Umm there is a tremendous difference between manhunt and GTA. I hope you can follow this, cause it can get convoluted at times

    GTA: didn’t disclose the unlockable content

    Manhunt: Did disclose the content that was unlocked.

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @jack thompson, attorney

    Also, this is no different than how you ranted about how the pixel mosaic used as a censor in The Sims and The Sims 2 can be removed. It’s a simple change in one line of code that the developer IS NOT responsible for.

    Wow. How can one “man” fail so hard so often.

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @jack thompson, attorney

    You sad Hot Coffee was a death blow to the ESRB, it’s still here idiot.

    Also, I know why you don’t want Mr McCauley there Thompson, you don’t want anyone who has had to deal with your true self coming forward, much like how physical threats are used to keep a witness quiet.

    Don’t act like the rest of us don’t pay attention

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    Coravin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ TheTrueMrJack

    It’s more like:

    us: 11
    Jack: -3

    @ Mr Rosenberg

    Good points all, but of course, as Miang and others have said, the problem was never with the videogame manufacturers, raters, or sellers, but with the bandwagon of ban-hammers. It does seem rather as if there won’t be any resolution until legal action is taken against those liers who paint the industry in a negative light as if every mod that makes the news is the fault and responsibility of those who make and rate the games.

    @ Dave

    Even if you were correct that this is the same as Hot Coffee, there would still be absolutely no reason to change the rating. Hot Coffee should never have resulted in a re-rating in the first place, requiring an active modification to activate, but because of the lies and the ambience, that ended up having to happen despite that fact. But while it is easy to say R* was lazy and wrong for leaving that content in, there is no blame for leaving content in that is part of the game experience, certainly not for changes that required “illegally modified” hardware or software to view.

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    Mnementh2230 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Jack Thompson, Villiage Idiot of Coral Gables

    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do.

    What Mx. Vance has said is that Rockstar is not responsable for the illigal activities of a few hackers out there who, through DIFFICULT TECHNICAL STEPS, removed some filters from Manhunt 2. This is not another Hot Coffe, Jack, and once someone with two braincells and a bit of technical savvy gets some major media attention, it’ll all blow over.

    Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done.

    I fail to see how the illigal actions of hackers can kill a rating system that is on average as effective as other contemporary rating systems (MPAA ratings anyone?)

    Dennis, where’s that apology?

    You’ll get none, because you deserve none. When you’re wrong continually, and you treat people like dirt, you’ll get no respect at all. Remember the old anaolgy concerning flies, vinegar, and sugar? Yeah, you’d do well to remember that one when you’re begging on the street, divorced, out of a job, and utterly alone. I might just visit your town at that point so I can point and laugh… and laugh and laugh and laugh some more.

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    Fraz says:

    “Ok, let’s get over the hatred of me. This is a huge news item, whether you agree with me or not. The ESRB made it REALLY clear that if a developer left code in a game that could be unlocked, then that would be a huge violation of ESRB rules. “

    @ Mr. Thompson: You’re quite correct, but on the wrong point. The ESRB agreed to rate all disclosed material on a disc, and they also agreed that material on the disc that can be unlocked would therefore be included in the rating. However, this mod does not ‘unlock’ any code at all. In fact, what it does is remove code that was put in place entirely for the purpose of having a censor. ESRB conventions have been followed to the letter here. All content on the disc was disclosed, and because there was code that specifically obscured and censored images during gameplay, it was given the go ahead.
    What’s important to remember is that the ESRB, when rating, considers all disclosed content (which by contract, should be everything on the disc), just as it’s agreed to do. It doesn’t only determine the content itself, but the relationship between content. The code that created that censor was put there to censor other content. They understood this relationship and therefore, as the game is meant to be played, the code is there. All previous cases in which this has happened, the developer has been at fault for not disclosing content, and code had to be ADDED to ‘unlock’ something. In this case, the thing is already there, has been disclosed, has been censored, but there is no ‘unlock’. They’ve just removed code entirely, or the function of the code (I assume through ‘comment’ing it out, which is a coding term for nulling the effects of that line).


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    Shoehorn O'Plenty ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “a warning that the ESRB cannot rate the chaotic factor of events online.”

    The ESRB warning about “experience may change with online play” is basically a cover-my-ass warning put in there to stop stupid parents getting angry. Take Halo for instance. The multiplayer mode has no inappropriate language, unreaslistic cartoon violence and I see no problem with it. Enter then the headset and Xbox live chatting, combined with anonimity and you have vulgar little brats screaming obscenities and insults, racial slurs, etc.

    It’s like going to a football game with your kids and hearing some loudmouth behind you swearing at the referee or a player. The football board can’t control that, and the ESRB can’t do anything to monitor people’s behaviour online, hence the disclaimer.

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    zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I bet the programmers working on GTA4 are getting paranoid- they know that their code will be scrutinized by every hacker in the world.

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    video game time ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I remember seeing a few weeks ago where Jack Thompson was going to make an appearance at the Penny Arcade event in Philadelphia that was dated for today.

    Is this event still going to take place today?

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    jack thompson, attorney ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If Dennis McCauley really wanted a full discussion of this scandal, then he would have posted Dean Takahashi’s comments at the following location. Dean is not “way out there with Jack Thompson,” which is why Dennis didn’t report his comments questioning Vance’s spin:

    GP: Actually, I did find Dean’s comments newsworthy and I did post a story on them in the course of my normal coverage. You seem to want to foster the notion that I don’t print stories which are negative to the video game industry. Anyone who reads GP – including you – knows otherwise.

    Perhaps we could have a “full discussion” on why you filed a document in your suit against the Florida Bar on Friday  which asserts to the U.S. District Court that GP is owned by ECA, and that the ECA represents major video game retailers. You know quite well that ECA represents game consumers. Why would you tell the court something that was completely false?

    You also said that GP was “knowingly” posting those faux Jack comments, which is false, as well. You know that I always take steps to delete the fakes when I learn of them and ban the IP that posted them. So why would you tell the court something like that?

    And as to your assertion that your nemesis Norm Kent was “invited” to post here, that’s also complete B.S. Kent was no more “invited” here than you or anyone else who utilizes the comment feature. As to the “invited” Norm Kent, my review of all comments posted on this site shows that he has made a grand total of six posts. That’s it. The “invited” Jack Thompson sometimes posts that many times here in a single day.

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    jack thompson, attorney ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This will be the ESRB’s last stand. It is utterly foolish for the ESRB to declare that content that can be unlocked in the game, while that prompted a recall of GTA:SA, should not prompt a recall of the PSP copies on store shelves now of Manhunt 2. The ESRB’s position does not exonerate T2. It incriminates the ESRB. I’m in Dennis McCauley’s Philadelphia today to discuss these things on a panel at the video game expo. All are welcome to participate, except Dennis McCauley. Enjoy the below. I did:

    GP: The “below”, a lengthy Associated Press story, has been chopped. Don’t spam the comments with news articles.

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    niceaznguy721 says:

    in my opinion, the filters didn’t really need to be in place anyway, the content is no more violent than the original Manhunt.


    @ Jack Thompson, below-mediocre attorney/professional moron

    man up, admit that you will never win, get your head out of your ass, then replace where your head was with that apology you want.

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    Phoenix, Filmmaker says:

    I would just like to share a quote from the Penny Arcade guys…

    “Gabriel sometimes suggests that he doesn’t give “two shits” about something, which is meant to imply that he is apathetic about it – very apathetic. It’s always struck me as ambiguous. Buried within the phrase is the possibility that he might be willing to give a single shit. Manhunt 2 – which I’m told is very controversial, mostly by people who don’t actually follow the medium – is a game neither of us have the slightest interest in. We also don’t know anyone who is interested in it, but then, it’s been a long time since I did things just to make my parents mad, which seems to be the game’s entire purpose.”

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    Dave ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Billy

    It’s called question dodging. She knows this is no different to the hot coffee incident and can’t justify why the M rating still stands. So instead she refuses to directly answer the question and spurts out something seemingly unrelated. Although I’m definitely not on Jack Thompson’s side it’s obvious Rockstar got lazy and instead of hard coding the filters they went for a quick fix they knew people would get around. Why the M rating stuck this time though is anybodies guess.

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    RyuSage says:

    I think this is how it should be handled. Rockstar should not be held responsible for people hacking the game.

    At the same time, however, I don’t see why this should be different from the Hot Coffee incident? The only real distinction here is that the ESRB knew about “the content” ahead of time, since part of the difference between the M and the AO was just the camera. I think they just failed to consider the possibilities of hacking (the system isn’t really designed to account for that), and they can’t criticize anyone but themselves for that fact.

    I think this highlights a fundamental problem with their previously established policy as to the impact user modifications have on on a game’s rating.

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Jack Thompson

    Just because the ESRB let Rockstar off the hook and you wouldn’t have doesn’t make them anymore wrong than, well, you, whomis always wrong.

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    Picho, makin tah comspirsee ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Thats why i’m saying Jack paid to get it hacked. I mean hes the one who leeked the early build of the game isnt he?

    He said so, and he never lies….

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    jonc2006 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    not to mention that the entire process of this hack or whatever is complex even for adults. i would find it highly unusual to see someone go through all that technical stuff and frustration for such a small modification/hackjob. they would end up spending more time learning and attempting to do this hack thing than actually playing the game which pretty much defeats the entire purpose of why people buy games.

    the average gamer buys games to play them, not hack them. i cant believe these people are freaking out over some blurr that is applied over certain things in the game. that said, i dont even see how its going to make the game worse or better anyway.

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    BearDogg-X says:

    @ Jack Thompson, soon-to-be-former-attorney

    Apologize for what? You’re the one that owes everyone here an apology, for your various actions.

    You like to claim that you’re “grown up”? Then own up to your words.

    You lost again, deal with it.

    Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life, and a new cause while you’re at it.

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    bakaohki says:

    Still no witty retorts from Jack; he must be REALLY working hard on coming up with a real zinger.

    I have other things to do tonight and an early morning ahead of me tomorrow. Don’t keep me up too late with the victory concert, okay?

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    Quad9damage ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @jack thompson, attorney:

    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?

    This wasn’t embedded content. It was on display to begin with, just distorted under filters. A variable in the code determines whether the filters are turned on or off.

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    Dab says:

    @ Pandralisk

    Excellent post, well thought out and articulate. Let’s hope some of the powers that be read it and take some of your points to heart.

    The AO rating is worthless, if the ESRB finds a game completely objectionable, they can always refuse to rate it and it will never be sold. Make the M rating 18+ and be done with it. PEGI ratings make a lot of sense, there should be universal system. PEGI and ESRB should join forces and it would give great legitimacy to the industry immediately.

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    Picho, deletzin da filtr ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    This was a triumph.
    Im making a note here
    Huge success.
    Its hard to overstate my satisfaction…

    Hey you said victory music.


    yeah i figured jacky would try twist everything around….

    If you put the warning ‘illigal’ modifactions, then rabid watch dogs will be all over any modifacation to a game.

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    xzero87 says:

    @ Hollowcow

    I’m sure not many actual gamers do care about it, but personally, I care about precedents it may or may not be setting.

    That being said; this, although slightly off-topic, jumped out at me from the article:

    “After the release of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, the ESRB discovered extensive amounts of fully rendered and previously undisclosed blood and gore in the game that warranted a Mature rating.”

    Previously undisclosed blood and gore? They gave it the “blood and gore” content descriptor on the original T-rated box, and there aren’t different amounts of violence in the game– every combat situation uses the same blood graphics. Unless, of course, you’re using end-user modifications, which neither the industry or ratings board are responsible for. The re-rated versions had no less violence/blood than the original: the quoted statement is ridiculous, in my opinion. (So tempting to go further into a rant about how much focus was given on how it was rerated solely because of the not-seeable-by-default,-non-sexual-nudity, but meh.)

    On the subject of Manhunt, this is the only logical decision they could’ve come to. Punishing a developer because the end-user removes part of the code from fully-disclosed scenes is silly.

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Maybe Jack is acting crazy just so he can get committed then escaped just as he learned how in M2.

    He seems to like trying to prove his own theories… Hence the Best Buy “sting” with his son.

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Actually, I don’t see that ESRB notice about online play as saying that the rating no longer applies, but rather as a warning that the ESRB cannot rate the chaotic factor of events online. Their ratings may apply, but fluctuate depending on the variety of encounters with others.

    Maybe they need a notice of OL for fluctuating OnLine ratings which means that at any given moment, a rating of E-M (or even AO) may exist. You may even be able to expand it to OL-E (and so on) for a minimum rating, then say “through” and then give an anticipated max rating depending on the level of filters used.

    Then, a more appropriate warning about potential illegal modification is possible in all software products and may change the rating of an ESRB reviewed product without the consent of the publisher or the ESRB.

    That way, the ESRB reduces its appearance that, even indirectly or even unintentionally, they are suggesting it is ok to preform illegal modifications of any type to officially released software.

    NW2K Software

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    me says:

    Finally, FINALLY! The ESRB has matured enough to make a legit statement that makes sense. Rockstar should follow their lead. At least have something ready to say when the watchdog groups jump on it other than “It’s rated M.”

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    Mysticgamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know all this coverage is because it’s November Sweeps as soon as it turns December most of this crap should die down…until GTA4 is unveiled at the next game Expo.

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    Hollowcow says:

    Okay come on. Nobody cares about this game. It isn’t going to sell well. Why do they choose this game to go after? Saw IV comes out but nobody seems to care if underage kids go see that. God forbid they somehow learn how to mod their ps2 and see the real content of a game they shouldn’t even be playing.

    Check out this penny arcade comic, it owns.

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    Anonymouse says:

    Well I quickly read through it, but it would be nice if they clearly stated something like:
    “The game would have gotten the same rating even without the filter” or “we took this factor into account with the game’s rating.”

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    Evan M. Rosenberg says:

    Well done, ESRB!

    Now all that we need is some sort of official statement (and possibly warning place on games) that in cases of user modification or manipulation of code, the ESRB ratings no longer apply, similar to the same warnings about online experiences.

    We do not hold a film studio or director responsible when some third party splices inappropriate footage into a movie, or edits the film in such a way as to imply things of an inappropriate nature. We need to recognize, as a society, that the game you are buying is a particular experience that the developers and publishers have intended, and when you alter the code of the game, you are changing the game itself, and hence the experience as well.

    Additionally, as the ESRB has stated, parental supervision really is key in all of this. All of the video game regulation inthe world won’t make a difference as long as parents are being negligent. All children are different, and their parents know what is and is not appropriate for them far better than any organization, politician, or self-important attorney.

    Again, I applaud the handling of this situation.

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    Pandralisk says:

    The ESA and ESRB should rally behind Rockstar and follow the following steps:

    The Road to Emancipation

    1. Reformulate ESRB to wipe out the AO rating altogether.

    2. Mount a counter-offensive media storm to paint the watch dog groups for what they truely are: freedom hating, moral facist, paranoid idiots.

    3. Strike down all licensing agreements that enforce censorship through the prohibition the development of games of a certain level of maturity.

    4. Challenge retailers inconsistent polices not to stock games designed for adults in stores. A case might be possible if the industry can illustrate unwarrented discrimination against games.

    5. Release a series of insane tasteful, well designed, obscenely violent, and incredibly sexual games that challenge the market barriers established right now. Create demand for games tasteful, complex, violent, and sexual enough to attract a broad range of adult consumers.

    6. Use the ESA to campaign against the false perception of “video games for kids;” instead, promote games as an art form devoid of an intrisinsic age demographic.

    7. Never stop fighting against the moral facists who wish to strip us of our intellectual autonomy, rights as free consumers, and right to enjoy fictional works.

    Stop letting these conservative, moralistic, assholes dictate what you can and cannot include in a game. They have no right to rape us our freedom, for the sake of their snot-faced and ignorant children.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?”

    Ah, good old delusional Jack. Even when its put out before him in simple black and white his elderly luddite riddled mind still fails to grasp the situation. Jack THERE. IS. NO. EMBEDED. CONTENT. What the hackers did is the removal of content. They removed the psychadelic color filter from the kills. But that does not change what the kills themselves are.

    Got that? No embeded content.

    A nonhacked version will have a man beating someone down with a baseball bat with wierd colors flashing about on the screen.

    A hacked version will have THE EXACT SAME BAT BEATING, except with a more natural color scheme.

    I should also mention that by insisting that Rockstar has embeded this content in the game you are opening yourself up to a libel suit. Judge yourself accordingly.

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    Missy says:

    @ TheBird

    i think rockstar just likes stirring up trouble

    otherwise they would just remove the code and graphics for the AO content from the game altogether instead of leaving it there lost in a sea of 1s and 0s for some guy to find

    There was not specific code and graphics for the AO version, there was a filter which distorted it for the M version, and the hackers removed that coding put in place to tone it down.

    This has been pointed out several times, why are people so reluctant to take it on board?

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    Andrew Eisen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    You’re not understanding exactly what’s going on here. The stealth kills were toned down by applying a filter. The hack removes the filter.

    That’s it.

    Would you have had Rockstar remove every stealth kill sequence in its entirety?

    Andrew Eisen

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    VenomandCarnage ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ah, the ESRB smashes the hopes of corrupt politicians and watchdog groups and JT grasps at straws to cover up for his false assumptions. It’s a good day.

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    TheBird says:

    i think rockstar just likes stirring up trouble

    otherwise they would just remove the code and graphics for the AO content from the game altogether instead of leaving it there lost in a sea of 1s and 0s for some guy to find

    or they do it to just piss of ol’ jacky because they know that the ESRB will ok it anyway (not many 9-year-olds know how to hack a game)

    this happened with GTA, and they did it again

    but this time, the media ain’t having a field day about it

    im gonna have to say that i do want rockstar to stop stirring up all this controversy, though.

    every new game they make gives politicians an excuse to implement some anti-game law.

    also, this place is starting to smell bad because JT won’t pick up after himself.

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    vellocet says:

    I wonder…

    If someone hacked Manhunt 2 to be all fluffy pink bunnies hugging each other without any violence whatsoever. Would the watchdog groups insist that the ESRB rerate Manhunt 2 as E for everyone?

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    Trevor McGee says:

    Jack Thompson is an idiot, plain and simple. He can’t understand even the simplest of things apparently. All the modification do is remove the filters put in place to censor the kills, it does not unlock or make available any content which was hidden away in the game.

    Blaming Rockstar for people hacking the game to remove the filters would be like blaming EA for people creating nude skins for The Sims 2 on the PC….oh wait, you already tried that too. Dumb ass…

    Find something better to do with your time moron.

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    I like this response, it’s cut/paste-able to every off-the-wall criticism you will see. Makes it easier to rebuke them if we’ve got succinct rebuttals all canned for us.

    Why are we even talking to JT on this anymore? The ESRB closed the matter up fairly easily.

    You see TTWO/R* and ESRB, this is how PR saves face – and could have prevented the Hot Coffee fiasco, which will likely cost taxpayers a cool million when it’s all said and done in California.

    All taxpayers, too. CA is broke and just got burned (literally). We are all footing that bill. Thanks, activist parade!

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    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Dave

    JT has said in the past that he wanted to shut down the industry. Its the basic idea… The politicians really don’t care if the ESRB is shut down or not- the industry doesn’t give them enough $$, and all they really care about votes from soccer moms and christians.

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    Dave says:

    Has anybody ever thought what would happen if the ESRB shut down? First would be that there would be NO new games on the market till an alternative is accepted by the masses. Stores (like walmart) won’t stock games listed AO, they can’t sell any game if there is NO rating system for risk of selling a mature game to 10yrs olds. Then somebody would have to form a new group. The game industry will NOT stand by to one run by a watchdog group so it would have to be run by the govt. That would take AGES to set up and get running. In the mean time, no new games on the market as there would be no ratings since the esrb will be disbanded. You really think MS, Sony and Nintendo would put up with that? No force in the world would stop the lawyers combined by those three.

    At the worst the esrb will get a slap on the wrist and told to tighten up their policies, then back to business as usual. Anything else would shut down the entire industry.

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    Phantom says:

    The annoying part is that when Jack posts here, you can be assured that his lies are suitably fact-checked and refuted by folks like Jabrwock. But when he’s interviewed as part of his TV circuit, the reporters rarely do the minimum research needed to see that he’s lying, and his lies are presented as the truth. It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work that needs to be done.

  48. 0
    Saladin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh I bet Jack’s having PUPPIES right now. Seriously though, I’m glad the ESRB had the guts to stick up for what they believed to be a HARD “M” rating, and nothing more. Too bad so sad Jack.

  49. 0
    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “So do all attorneys spend all their time trolling forums, or is it just the out of work ones?”

    In all fairness, a lot of us post from work- I know I do (its good to be the king).

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    CrazyBerto! says:

    @Greenfenril_CTU Says
    I must agree!

    Jack, it is simple to get respect. Why not start now. Jack just say, “yes you guys are correct and I was wrong on this one”. But that is not what you do is it Jack. Have you ever look at yourself in the mirror Jack. I am asking you to because you need to gain self respect.
    Once you get that and you can respect the rest of us, you will see that we can treat you with respect.
    mirror Jack. I am asking you to because you need to gain self respect.

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    Missy says:

    “So do all attorneys spend all their time trolling forums, or is it just the out of work ones?”

    Well said. I would elaborate on his professionalism and maturity but I don’t think I need to.

    I’m really glad the ESRB demonstrated some sense here and weren’t blinded by trying to be the “good guys” in the eyes of the ignorant masses.

    Ignorance in situations like this really bug me, where people who don’t know what they are talking about kick up a fuss over something they don’t understand. It happens a lot in research and medicine and has been the trigger of many a rant in the past (bless my boyfriend for enduring them).

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    mybad4990 says:

    Yes, Jack. You treat us like crap and expect us to apologize to you?!

    My god, you really are insane, aren’t you? So sad. My 5 year old cousin has more common sense than you.

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    vellocet says:

    The great thing about this press release lies in this quote:

    “Manhunt 2’s rating makes it unmistakable that the game is intended for an older audience. The unauthorized hacking into the code of this game doesn’t change that basic fact.”

    This is the only thing that people need to understand, regardless of what the technical aspects of it is. The issue here is that people like JT want the game to get an AO rating as to effectively ban the game. If console manufacturer’s and retailers would stock AO games, the watchdog groups would have no other recourse.

    Whether or not the game was hacked is irrelevant. The issue is the same as it always has been. PARENTS need to watch what their children do. Or at the very least parentally lock their game systems.

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    Greenfenril_CTU ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Here’s the deal Jack

    The problem you have is that you can’t lay blame properly. I guess that’s why you’re job is on the line this month.

    You can’t accept defeat, you spin anything and everything, and you’re not very smart in making your points stick. Fire lines without anything to back it up.

    Let’s keep this in play shall we: R* gave the ESRB every line of code needed to show. Having said that, hackers come out and modify the game (which BTW is illegal and against the games TOS and R* EULA.) So how is R* and the ESRB responsible for a group of hackers who broke the code and made the game the way R* did NOT WANT it intented?

    The difference with this and Hot Coffee, is that hackers not only broke the code, but exposed how they did it, showed the world that the code was in the game, R* lied about it, and the ESRB made them pay.

    You want an apology from Dennis, show us respect and treat us respect, and then you get your apology. You deserve nothing, and will get nothing, not even a letter of sympathy from the gamers when Florida yanks your licence away.

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If anything. now that I think about it. I have a little more respect for the ESRB. When you put together 1- It’s not available unmodified, and 2- They told us about it. What you really have is a buck-stops-here sort of mentality, They could have easily criticized rockstar, but they’re not. I’m actually not changing my mind, in the sense that I REALLY THINK rockstar needs to come forward and divulge the differences between the two versions, but I do think it’s rather remarkable how they’re handling this.

    God, I’d hate to be the actual employee rate-er that got stuck with Manhunt2. Talk about your lose-lose situation.

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    Miang ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Zerodash

    I think that is an excellent idea. Maybe then people would understand that the ESRB can’t take responsibility for people who choose to alter a product.

    @ Everyone

    Really the sad thing is that this won’t quiet the watchdog groups. They will never understand the technology enough to figure out what actually happened in this case because they don’t want to. Understanding how this works takes effort and time to learn. Most of these people can’t even be bothered to figure out that there are parental controls on the consoles that they buy, so how are they ever going to understand that hacks alter the content of the game from what was intended by the publisher to something else? I mean if they would just use the parental locks it wouldn’t matter if someone modded the game because their kids wouldn’t be able to PLAY it in its original form, let alone add the mod to it.

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    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Dennis, where’s that apology?

    Where’s mine, Jack? I was right and you were wrong. Rockstar disclosed everything, and the M rating was based off of all the material on the disc.

    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done.

    You seriously need to get some meds for that condition of yours.

    The ESRB promised it would severely punish companies that hid content from the ratings board. It said no such thing about forbidding embedded content, only that such content had to be disclosed to the board.

    If you’re going to lie, at least make it convincing…

    I ask again, are you mental, an idiot, or do you take great pride in the fact that you clearly failed reading comprehension?

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    Questionmark ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Jack, poor poor jacky boy, there was no “embedded content”. The content people are viewing is part of the game normally, and is being edited by the players.

    This is essentially a MOD created by the community, which you can’t hold the ESRB or T2 responsible for.

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    bakaohki says:


    Nah, you keep the baked goods. It was a fool’s bet, and I’m not a betting man, as I said before.

    Besides, I’ve got dark chocolate brownies. I’m set.

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    arowe87 says:


    I had that same thought when the hot coffee thing first came about.

    All the ESRB and game publishers and developers have to do is put a “content and gameplay may change with use of third party devices” on the game boxes and there is no more problem with possible modifications.

    @Jack Thompson
    The ESRB never said they won’t allow hidden content or the similar. They said game developers must take out content instead of hiding it IF FEASIBLE. If its not possible to do it in a timely or costly manner, they may hide the content but must disclose this to the ESRB. All has been followed, nothing wrong has been done.

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    Unafiliated Annonomous says:

    Embedded content only accessible by violating the terms of service is offensive to Mr. Thompson’s sensibilities. Hypothetical offensive content is now also offensive. That’s right out of the Marx Brothers’ movie Duck Soup.

    “I’m offended because I know he was going to offend me! The very idea of it!”

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    vellocet says:

    JBT obviously doesn’t understand what “embedded” content means. He doesn’t understand ANYTHING about games, much less any kind of technical aspect of it.

    Jack, get the hell out of my hobby. You have no business being here.

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well it seems bakaohki wins.

    “Actually, I think he’s formulated some combination of half-truths and misquotes”. Cookie or muffin? Your choice.

    Sigh. There is a truism for you. You can lead a horse (or a horses ass) to water but cannot make it drink. On the upside he did not call her any names, at least in this post.

  64. 0
    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ JT

    “What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?”

    Once again, you chose not to actually read the article. I guess because ctrl+f-ing your name didn’t do anything.

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not the least bit sure what I think of this. On one hand, I almost admire Pat Vance, she’s shown considerable diplomatic skill in a job which has to be pretty thankless.

    With that said, I don’t think the critics are gonna buy these arguments. It seems like the key criterion are “exists in a fully rendered form on the disc” and “was disclosed to ESRB”;

    Is it my imagination or did that press list essentially bring nothing new to the table? Beyond exonerating Rockstar of having done anything wrong. I can’t help but think, what we REALLY NEED, is for Rockstar to come forward and elaborate on the changed details between the two versions. They’re only making it harder on everyone concerned.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    John Bruce has posted:

    jack thompson, attorney Says:

    November 2nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm
    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?

    @ John Bruce

    The ESRB considered the disclosed content suitable for an M rating. There is nothing wrong with this. You on the other hand are a little kid who can’t get over the fact that they have lost.

    The ESRB has done nothing wrong. They are not “done” and Dennis owes you no apology.

    PS: When are you going to send me a civil response to my email?

    E. Zachary Knight
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    bakaohki says:

    For those that don’t like to scroll…

    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?

    Told you he’d twist it. It’s not embedded content; it’s content REMOVED to show what’s there all along, and once again, via hardware and software hacking. Once again, twisting words to further his own cause.

    No apologies will be forthcoming from Dennis or any of us. Where’s yours to us for all the insults you’ve been throwing?

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    Grey ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    When his post does come, and it will (it is probably awaiting approval as I type this), it will be a hurriedly typed press release full of spelling errors, paranoia and false accusations of collusion between the video game industry and Take Two. If he’s on a roll, it’ll even include a hateful screed against Blank Rome.

    The madness of Jack the Jester.

  69. 0
    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    How hard would it be for the ESRB to put a disclaimer on their ratings? They already have the “Game Experience May Change During Online Play”.

    Why not:

    “ESRB Notice: Rating Apply to Unmodified Retail Game Only.”

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    Jake C says:

    I pleased with this investigation but i say the whole system is broke, my opinion is “if questionable part of the game cannot be accessed without the need of external modifications to the game and cannot be accessed any other way then it does not exist.”

    I take this stand because games often have bad ideas left in the content and to remove them totally would cause more problems then it would solve.

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    general531 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I agree. However, most, if not all, politicians (both republicans and democrats) are uneducated. They are the ones who take Thompson, Yee, and the watchdog groups more seriously than people like Henry Jenkins and GamerDad…and I am apologetic to say this.

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    bakaohki says:

    Actually, I think he’s formulated some combination of half-truths and misquotes to put together a lawsuit. I would NOT be surprised in the least if he posts here with a copy of the letter he’s firing off to everyone and their mother announcing it, then cursing Dennis for reporting on such “blatant lies” told by the ESRB.

    He’s yet to show sense when proven wrong. Why would this be the first time?

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    GryphonOsiris ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Perhaps he-who-must-not-be-named is in denial…, that or inherently drooling while mumbling “Pawns of the industry” repeatedly. Or perhaps he is even drafting an ego stroking law suit of behalf of all the sprites that died in the game.

    Heh, this may be fun after all…

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok sorry one more post.

    @ bakaohki

    You have a point. Doubt this is sitting well with him but still the thing is done. Why would he pop in? To bitch, moan and groan mayhaps?

    I find myself wondering what JBT will call her. Industry Whore, apologest or something less savory (ie more rude). What a way to win his case and make himself look better in the eyes of all.

    Still I am going to pull out the cooler, fetch the ice and get the drinks ready.

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    jack thompson, attorney ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What Ms. Vance has admitted is that the ESRB is fully complicit in the release of a game with embedded content, which is precisely what the ESRB promised two years ago not to do. Stick a fork in the ESRB. It’s done. Dennis, where’s that apology?

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    Questionmark ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She did fairly well, i think she could have done a little better however.

    First off it seemed many of the people asking questions thought that these were pre-rendered scenes which could have been removed. The scenes are part of the gameplay and interactive, therefore they are rendered on the fly by the hardware which makes it impossible to force the filter on the scene. Anyone who has enough knowledge in coding and has hacked their system can remove the code which activates the filters during this “on the fly” rendering, thus removing the filter from the scenes.

    The difference between this and movies is that movies are fully pre-rendered and edited. Asking the game developer to edit these scenes on a case by case basis while they are being rendered on the fly is like asking a movie crew to edit a movie on a case by case basis as it’s being played in a VHS or dvd player. It’s an impossible task to do.

    Really this problem in the interviewers questions comes from a lack of understanding how games work. They look at games as movies that are interactive but fail to realize that games are really being created on the fly based on code and resource art, editing the code like the hackers did is thus going to substantially change the content.

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    dannah says:

    Sorry to be so wordy today!

    #general531 – the good thing is that the people who are educated enough to know the difference . . . they don’t take Yee or Jack seriously either. My mother in law is an attourney and Jack is a joke, even among his own kind.

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    Zen says:

    I wish they had just kept the AO rating, released it as it was, and that the console makers let people make a complete choice of what they play on the system. I understand that they want to keep their image, but after getting my PS3 last night and looking thru the paper work I found the list and explanation of the ESRB ratings that came with it. AO was listed and explained, but then they added another note that “Sony will never publish these games on any of their consoles”. Why bother explaining it other than to have the whole “look what we are keeping you safe from” crap. I would have been happy to have had to mail in proof or jump thru some hoops to exercise my right as an adult to play and watch what I want within the limits of the law. I can protect my child to the level that I see as appropriate…I don’t need people limiting me just so they can try to do my job for me.

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    general531 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m glad the ESRB explained this situation clearly, It’s just a shame that Senator Yee, Jack tHompson, politicians, and the watchdog groups will not take this seriously.

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    dannah says:

    #weighted companion cube:

    You did NOT have the cake. it was a lie, and I put you into the incinerator.

    #brokenscope: That’s the way of things, if it goes your way you’re all “YAY” and if you feel you’re getting f*cked, you’re like “NO WAY” . . . and then you get cake.

    But seriously, if they would have ruled in favour of uneducated people like JT or Leeland Yee (whose GDC panel was a giant joke) you would have heard more “Oh those effing douchebags!” It’s pretty black and white to some people. I just wish they’d blame the bad parenting instead of the mature games, that’s my whole (very wordy) point.

    *”you” is a general blanket statement.

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    koichan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Whilst i must praise the ERSB for this comment:
    “Manhunt 2’s rating makes it unmistakable that the game is intended for an older audience. “
    (needs to be drilled into the heads of the hysterical ‘save the children’ sheep)

    The fact they differentiate hot coffee, oblivion and this manhunt hack really confuses and annoys me
    All 3 have these things in common:
    -The unmodified game got the correct rating
    -The modified game invalidates the rating

    Why they feel the method of modifying the game has any relevance whatsoever is beyond me.
    doesn’t matter at all if the content was there and disabled, or completely added by 3rd-parties, the effect is the same at the end. it has no relevance at all to the original rating.

    Take a movie for instance, what effect would the following two things have to it’s original rating?
    -re-order clips to change the storyline/content
    -add your own completely new section of video into it

    Answer: none at all, as modifying it makes it a different product to the one that got the rating. Games are NO DIFFERENT

  82. 0
    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Sweet! I had hopes that the ESRB would take care of themselves but to acutally manage to turn it around to point out that the peeps pressing for the re-rate were unqualified is awesome. Wonder if Jackie, Yee and the PCT are stewing in their own juices right about now. lol

  83. 0
    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This isn’t over by a longshot- watchdogs, fear-mongering politicians (election year coming), and the tin-hats will be clamoring for a government investigation.

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    CrazyBerto! says:

    @Mark Lucherini.
    I guess your right.
    Then again, as it has been stated, Jack will look for Proof. Yes there is no Proof, but Jack will take the search for the missing city of “Proof” for this battle that he lost befor it even got started.

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    brokenscope ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know, I remember back when Manhunt got an AO rating, and every fifth post was a comment calling the ESRB douches or a direct attack at Patricia Vance.

    Funny how things change.

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    jds ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    QUOTE FROM PATRICIA VANCE: “…people reporting on this issue who are unsophistocated and not familiar enough, technically, with what is going on here…”

    This explains, I think, about 95% of the stink about TT, R*, GTA, Manhunt, etc. Most everyone with a voice is not qualified to give it.

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Thank you, Ms. Vance. :)

    Now…with that out of the way, can we move on to other, more lighthearted discussions? For example, can we now start making jokes about how the Danny character looks like the lead singer of Linkin Park?

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    bakaohki says:

    Now come on… you KNOW he will post about this. He has to has his spin on things… he’ll point out one obscure thing and harp on it for the rest of the day, or he’ll copypasta more quotes from other agencies, calling them “proof”…

    Too bad there isn’t any proof. *cue the wah-wah-wah sound effect*

  89. 0
    dannah says:

    Jack, you just keep on trying until you run out of cake. At least GlaDos will still give you a weighted companion cube. but . . . the cake is a lie . . . just like everything you say 😉

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    bakaohki says:

    Okay, that LOOKS airtight. Very well worded, and it FIRMLY says that the content was disclosed.

    Now, counting down to when Jack’s spin on it is posted. I’d put up money that he says he’ll be going after the ESRB for lying… but I’m not a betting man.

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    DAN says:

    Don’t you love to read Jack’s own words:

    # jack thompson, attorney Says:
    November 1st, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    Dear Moron Jabrwock:

    Since you think I’m dense, try this out, Ace:

    I said if they didn’t tell the ESRB then that’s bad. Why should we believe T2 on any of this, as to whom they told, etc. The ESRB has yet to talk.

    As I earlier noted, if the ESRB did know about the leaving in of this stuff, then that’s even worse for the industry, because they’re the clowns that are supposed to make sure this can’t happen!

    Don’t you get it? The watchdog may be complicit in this! The bottom line is that these games are going to have to be recalled. Just watch.”

  92. 0
    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I would feel a little better if an INDEPENDENT investigation was done. Not just to satisfy the critics (who made up their minds years ago), but to shed some light on the elusive ESRB standards.

    BTW- the game is crap.

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    Weighted Companion Cube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Who in God’s name cares? He’s lost. *Again*. You don’t need to hear the ramblings of a sore loser. Just stand back and he’ll rub the loss into his own face.

  94. 0
    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Any thoughts on just what asinine, paranoid rant that Jack is going to come up with in response? Of course he will mention something about our frontal lobes being fried out due to games, or something relating to an illicit substance that prohibits us from understanding the evidence. But it is quite evident that the only person who isn’t responding to evidence is darling Jack himself.

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    Phantom says:

    The ESRB did the right thing here. They called it as it is, and it’s a good thing. If Rockstar was held responsible for hardware hacks, then any developer could be nailed for user-created content. Someone could hack Madden so that the players are all topless cheerleaders, and the precedent would have pinned the fault on EA.

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    DAN says:

    Jack in his own words:

    # jack thompson, attorney Says:
    November 1st, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Ok, let’s get over the hatred of me. This is a huge news item, whether you agree with me or not. The ESRB made it REALLY clear that if a developer left code in a game that could be unlocked, then that would be a huge violation of ESRB rules.

    If the ESRB allowed any code to be left in which could be unlocked, then the ESRB is a goner. That is not an exaggeration. Dennis, you know how serious this is.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Better watch the Gamestops, Targets and Best Buys for Jack walking around with a backpack.

    Anyway, this was a big “DUH” though they missed the cheat device codes for PS2… Not like it matters since just like they said, this wasn’t the same as the Hot Coffee fiasco. This was the Punisher game level issue that of course groups and a certain “lawyer” pissed and moaned blew up over.

    Of course this won’t stop the call that there’s a conspiracy afoot.

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    Weighted Companion Cube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Manhunt 2’s rating makes it unmistakable that the game is intended for an older audience. The unauthorized hacking into the code of this game doesn’t change that basic fact.”

    Thank you. Can someone get this out to the national media please?

  99. 0
    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Jack Thompson is officially on suicide watch….

    Nah, he’ll just turn this around and claim victory, as it now proves that the ESRB is in cahoots with Take Two and Rockstar, who are also in cahoots with the stores, and clearly also the parents of said kids who end up with the games.

    See, it’s all just one big conspiracy.

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    kaemmerite says:

    Good to see they did the right thing. Of course, none of this matters to the watchdog groups. Oh well.


    “So Jack, YOU are the liar. Not Rockstar. I won my bet. Pay up, sucker.”

    Pssh, you know he’s going to say that the ESRB is funded by the video game industry and that everything Patricia Vance said is a lie/coverup. He’ll never admit defeat.

  101. 0
    Zen says:

    FINALLY!!!!!!! It’s about time that they came out and said that this is a third party modification and that the damn game was for adults anyways, so it doesn’t change anything. Thank you ESRB for finally saying something.

  102. 0
    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Doh! Right as soon as I posted in the other thread, that it will be nice to know R* disclosed everything… :)

    Well now, I have my answer.

    So Jack, YOU are the liar. Not Rockstar. I won my bet. Pay up, sucker.

    I’m glad the ESRB is emphasizing that they knew about the material, and knew how it was disabled, and how that was enough to satisfy them, since you’d have to be a pretty knowledgeable teen to hack the game to disable this stuff.

  103. 0

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    Jack just like looking for a fight. He doesn’t have much of a platform here. I think he is arguing just to argue.

    Sorry Jack, on this issue you lose. Next topic.

  105. 0
    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Good on the ESRB, but I can’t help but feel this is going to give unnecessary momentum to the Alarmist Party in upcoming elections. NOT something we needed.

    Again, we need someone COMPETENT and ELOQUENT to be put on ABC news, or some other prime time program, and explain all the (illegal) crap that would be required to access the AO content.

    Also, Yee, Thompson, the PTC, and everyone else claiming how the illegal mod of the illegal copy of the game, giving access to AO content in an otherwise M game, has ANY impact on the game becoming accessible to children, should all be charged with slander, being a public nuisance, and/or whatever the appropriate “inciting ____” charge would be (not a lawyer, can’t for the life of me think of the proper phrase).

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ CrazyBerto!

    Let JBT search for his lost city of Truth and Proof. Would be an interesting jouney, all uphills. I wish him well on this search.. well as long as said search takes him far away from polite society.

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