
Late yesterday, U.S. District Court Judge Adalberto Jordan
dismissed (
24-page pdf)
John Thompson vs. Florida Bar, et al, Miami attorney Jack Thompson's civil rights claim against the agency which regulates Florida's legal practitioners.
The ruling clears the way for Thompson's Bar disciplinary trial to begin on November 26th before a referee appointed by the Florida Supreme Court.
In a ruling issued earlier yesterday, Judge Jordan also
denied Thompson's motion (3
-page pdf) to
add me as a defendant in the case. While Judge Jordan did not mention the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA), which Thompson also sought to add as a defendant, it's a moot point since the entire case has now gone away.
In response, Thompson has filed a notice that he intends to appeal Judge Jordan's decision. In addition, he has filed an
emergency request with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court to stay next week's Bar trial.
UPDATE: Judge Jordan has denied Thompson's request for a stay. The 11th Circuit has denied several other requests... Looks like this one is over.
Comments
We could all chip in a nickel and buy him new stationary...
"From the Desk of Jack Thompson, Disbarred Attorney"
In many ways, this is the worst possible way for him to be kicked out, it's not because of anything intangible, he himself wrote hate letters to all and sundry, this cannot be made to look like some kind of constructive dismissal because there is quite simply far too much evidence to the contrary.
Jack won't go away, but I feel it will be much harder for him to play his martyr card than he thinks it will be.
Mr. Thompson, in short, has been given the opportunity to confront and question his accusers. [but has chosen not to do so]
Actually, I think apart from some extreme groups, Thompson has burned a vast number of his prospect-bridges, because he couldn't resist the urge to have the last venom-soaked word. I don't doubt we will see him around, but I don't think he'll be quite as popular as people believe.
“Guys, be realistic. Jack’s not going to go away. He’s either going to latch onto some watchdog like Common Sense Media, or he’ll be a frothing civic protestor “unchained” by the rules of decorum he labored under while employed as a lawyer. ”
Ah, but his two biggest lawsuits (Strickland v. Sony (ongoing), James v. Meow Media (dismissed)) , were both filed on behalf of others. If he's disbarred, the best he can do is local Florida "nuisance" lawsuits.
So while he won't go away, he'll fade into the fringe and be more easily ignored.
"The gaming industry tried to silence me and destroy my reputation, but I survived! That means I'm right and they're the bad guys."
"The gaming industry tried to silence me and destroy my reputation, and they succeeded! That means they're scared of me because they know I'm right, and they're the bad guys."
Vocal critics always win. They're either victorious or a victim.
"@Grey, whilst true to a degree, it needs to be understood that most of the complaints that are going against Thompson are not from the gaming Industry. Several judges, a number of law firms, but no gaming companies."
I agree with you that it is his professional conduct which is costing him his license and not the game industry; however, that isn't how he will spin it in the press. And if the media hasn't checked into the truth behind his claims yet, I see no reason for them to start now. He will claim to be a victim and an uninformed public will see him as such.
He's going to pull a Ben Kenobi on us.
"Former Attorney Jack Thompson" has such a nice ring to it.
2) Jack got owned repeatedly in the denial of his 100 (or so) motions.
3) The suit against GP denied with prejudice. Nice!
4) I suspect that Jack's appeal attempt on the basis of "everything he said was wrong" isn't going to go far. (Lawyers with real law degrees cite examples.)
I suspect that the "missing" psych evaluation that Jack does cite is that Jack attached a summary and not an entire evaluation. No way to verify on any of this.
I also liked how Judge Jordan still managed to destroy Jack's arguments even by "assuming everything Jack said was correct," which we all know it isn't especially when Jack is saying "I did nothing wrong." Hilarious.
That flushing sound Jack hears is his lawyering license going right down the toilet.
I know, scary isn't it, I think the natural state of humanity is one of deep suspicion, but what with martian bunnies etc, it's all been going a bit crazy lately.....
Think of all the entertainment we'd miss otherwise, I mean those court documents make a great read.... =)
An entity losing badly against a cause is always going to empower it more than any PR campaign or study ever will. A boxer can boast as much as he want about how tough he is, but his strength can only be proven after several fights. The VG industry needed Thompson for some rounds, to prove that the prejudice isn't true, that ganes don't teach murder and that they don't have a major detrimental effect on the public.
I do wish that he'd been more constructive, because between his attitude, conjecture and extremely loose arguments & proof, he's not quite enough to set a baseline on. It'd been better if he was a brilliant lawyer using every possible good, solid argument backed up with the best proof available and lost the cases, because then that'd be it for today. Until virtual reality and full body joysticks come about.
Jack Thompson just can't get a break can he?!
And if he does, he doesn't deserve one.
Ah well. I guess having to type "Thompson" over and over would get to you.
Yes, he'll sue himself for malpractice.
I will miss him though, as Voltaire once said, "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it. "
Maintain the rage John Bruce. Do not go quietly into the night ... ah who am I kidding?! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!
Delta, that's exactly what Jordan is saying. A federal court cannot intervene in a state court proceeding unless there is a compelling reason. Jack's compelling reason of "the Bar is picking on me!" is not sufficient. They're picking on him because people filed complaints. Jack is more than welcome to file for relief AFTER his bar trial and a federal court can examine the case to see if Jack's rights were violated.
As far as Jack not knowing what he's charged with goes, that's simply hogwash. Dennis had a link to a document some months ago outlining about 40 different accusations from JUST ONE CASE that Jack was being charged with. It's a public document and it was given to Jack. If he didn't read it (possible) or didn't comprehend it (more than likely), that's his own doing. The fact that he brought up things that he was charged with in his own filings while claiming he doesn't know what he's charged with seems a bit off, don't you think? Judge Jordan thought so, too.
"That’s why I’m not of the opinion that minors should be prevented from getting M rated games, but rather that parents should prevent their children from getting games that they do no wish them to get. Fortunately, enforcing the age-ratings, particularly on mature content goes a long ways towards helping parents with this as their kids get stuck running anything that might be questionable past parental review."
I agree. I think that was the point I was trying to make with the comment about my nephews. (Sorry if I was not clear.) Halo 2 is a mature rated game, and I was initially opposed to letting them play it in my house, until I spoke to their parents who let me know that they were all right with it, because they had talked to their children about it and believed they were mature enough to handle it.
I did appreciate your comments. Thank you.
@bakaohki
Thanks! Sometimes the words just gel together.
@Attack Gypsy
I'm pretty certain he can't/won't answer that question if he has.
If that's the case, then I'm guessing Jack just thought it was a convenient way to hassle Dennis more. How professional. Er, not.
They probably wouldn't keep the person who tipped them off informed as to what they're doing about it though, would they? Meaning that .Jack//Thompson has no idea what, if any, action was taken.
Hey Dennis, I'm volunteering my services as a PHP coder to make you a custom "preview" button. Takes the information from the text box, opens up a pop-up, and displays what the post would look like. Just lemme know.
One thing I absolutely hate is seeing people skew the Bible's teachings to forward their own agendas. Unfortunately, this is what a lot of 'Christians' do, and it gives the ones who genuinely do believe, even if only in their own way, the ones who don't want to preach and try to convert and outwardly judge others, a bad name.
*Queue Pandralisk in 5 . . .4 . . . 3 . . *
Christians are not all jerks who use the Bible for their own gains. The few who do act like this give the rest of us a bad name. Thompson is one of these people, and I'm glad that CK20XX took the time out that was necessary to expose Thompson, once again, for the snake he truly is.
Oh well, here's hoping we all enjoyed our brief respite.
Not that I want to defend Jack at all (the thought of which makes my skin crawl), but kilometer is an accepted and standard spelling of kilometre in the US. So much so that on my spell check plugin for firefox kilometre is underlined as being misspelled while kilometer isn't underlined.
You're probably right - maybe it just slowed the spin down a little, which is actually fairly hard to do since all of his comments lack substance.
@Mattie
D'you suppose you can roast marshmallows over the remains of his career?
Actually, if I recall correctly, it's not the first time he's contavted the Secret Service to report death threats in order to have them do his dirty work for him. He's done it before. Only difference, as I recall, was the alleged threat was against one of them Bushes (either Papa or Baby) and, of course, Jack's intended victim was someone other than GP.
Unban Jack. Set up a smaller blog account of some kind, such as livejournal Post all of Jack's posts and public emails, verbatim, to that blog as new entries, with comments enabled. Direct him to it each time he contacts you or posts on GP instead of there. Then, after a week, ban him again. He will naturally go to where his audience (the adoring fans like me and those who are in denial like a lot of you) can still see him yell without him constantly reconnecting to the internet for new IPs (or whatever method of ban evasion he's using).
Everyone still gets to laugh at him, Jack still gets to argue, anybody who replies to him on this board can be hit with a no-tolerance policy of message deletion/editing (with this policy posted on the front page, of course), everybody lives happily ever after.
This site doesn't need Jack, but as long as it has the same people visiting it who have visited it from the start, it will never outgrow him. Make a separate garden for the flowers and vegetables that attract the most insects.
Please?
You know, Dennis did report your case accurately. Since it was obvious you weren't going to win it, the abstention doctrine was about the only way you were going to lose it. The whole point of your case was that the court should override the abstention doctrine and act in your behalf pre-emptively. This was denied. If it was really as unnecessary as you're claiming now in order to spin, you wouldn't have filed it.
You also wouldn't be filing a similar case in Alabama, which you will also lose due to no good reason to override abstention.
Also, numerous posters have shot down your references to "finishing the race". When he was known as Saul, Paul *was* a lot like you. He committed some of the vilest acts in the name of serving God. When Christ showed him the light and he became Paul, his heart softened and he truly followed what Jesus commanded (love the Lord your God with all your strength and your neighbor as yourself).
Strauss Zelnick is your neighbor, Jack. Dennis is your neighbor, Jack. We are your neighbor, Jack. Your heart cannot be so hardened and twisted with hate if you want to really profess the name of Christ. Christ will not know you.
BTW, if you were actually a competent lawyer, you'd know "freedom of speech" is a guaranteed right for only one person on this site, Dennis. Asserting you have freedom of speech here is like me saying I have freedom to give a speech about how much you suck inside your living room.
You could start your own blog, but let's face it. You'd be banning people on sight for disagreeing with you... or for making points you can't refute.
Like... when are you going to reimburse states for money they lost in legal fees defending un-Constitutional bills that you wrote?
@Dennis
Now he's actually calling the Secret Service?
My advice, Dennis... cyberstalking isn't just a civil matter, it's a criminal one. This has been continually getting worse.
I would honestly consider going to your local police station and swearing out a complaint against him. There's enough evidence to indicate that it isn't just some sour grapes thing, but that he is obsessed and sick.
Except Jack is worried about the psychological issues. He's just in it for the moolah. Every other political agenda he's had was sure to pay him if he won.
By the way, if you are a gamer, why don't you tell me what exactly is Jack Thompson's goal?
This is why I said to check his wikiquote. Sure, anyone can edit it, but when each quote comes with it's source, I think it's more that trustworthy.
And so it begins. The fall of Wacky Jack Thompson is nigh. Oh, how I'm going to enjoy this.
*gets himself fully comfortable; popcorn, beer and red bull at the ready*
@Juggernautz
You got some popcorn and beer to share?
May I ask that, in comments, readers do not hand this person any additional ammunition to use against GP or individual readers themselves?
Sticking to the issues is always best.
Anyway it looks like he is grasping at straws. I'll bet his office in that little strip mall looks like a war zone. Maybe he could ask Norm Kent for some help?
He needs to man up and get this all over with.
Yeah, I knew this would probably go nowhere, but it's still good to know. Also it's a good indication of how Judge Jordan will probably rule.
It's shaping up to be a bad holiday season for Jack and a very good one for the rest of us! :)
@GP: Well, most of us here are pretty decent at staying on topic...we just get the few guys that come in every once in awhile who end up saying something stupid, like "I will hunt you down and murder you while you sleep!" or something to that effect.
On topic, though - hooray! This was a simple decision for the judge to make. Pretty much any [completely baseless] claims of conspiracy should be an automatic "no trial."
I agree with you, in a sense. Cue "Gollum's Song"...
Ah, seriously though. Who really thought that this wouldn't happen? It's Jack Thompson. He hasn't won a court case in 10 years plus. And whenever someone offensds him, his response is 'oh nos, lawsuit'.
Fight the power Jacky; you’ll unravel this conspiracy yet!
I'll bet EVERYONE saw this coming.
Jack Thompson's so-called "Gamer-Antigamer War" (or to some people, Jack's personal crusade) is about to come to an end. It will end with Jack Thompson losing his license to practice law permanently. So, the fall of Jack Thompson is about to begin.
Ow. Reading Thompson's emergency request to stay his trial is like watching a bad movie without Joel and the bots to help numb the pain. I really wish he would stop thinking of himself as Jesus too because it's an insult to Jesus.
Poor Jack, where's Jerry Fletcher when you need him?
-P
[i]The Bar will not in the least be prejudiced by the entry of such an order staying the trial, as The Bar has managed, by its 40-month-long harassment of Thompson, to utterly destroy his practice of law, so Thompson is not in a position to harm “the public,” none of whom, by the way, has ever complained about Thompson’s ethics. Indeed, the only people who have complained are two corrupt judges and two companies that criminally distribute pornography to children.
WHEREFORE, Thompson moves this court for the emergency stay of the state “disciplinary” trial scheduled to commence this coming Monday before Referee Dava Tunis, who denied Thompson hearings on all constitutional issues and denied Thompson all meaningful discovery in the disciplinary case, even to the point of refusing to issue subpoenas. Jesus had a similar “trial” before Pilate.[/i]
Apparently, JBT is the second coming, and his persecuation shall bring about armegeddon and judgment. Therefore repent all ye sinners!!!!!
His appeal seems to take on a totally new tactic however. In it, he claims that he has been ruled against because of some vast conspiracy, goes on to mention Take Two and other Judges who have ruled against him and then say it's all to silence him. Actually, hang on... This is the same as all his other stuff. When you shoot yourself in the foot and find out it hurts, you don't keep on firing. Shame Jack can't figure this out...
I also find hilarious the reference he makes at the end. He has in the past compared himself to Winston Churchill, Paul Revere and Martin Luther King. Now he has decided to go all out and reach for the big Kahuna of comparisons, Jesus Christ himself. I seem to remember previous motions or filings where he said that he is only a servant of Christ's, and that he is not worthy but tries to do his work. Now apparently he's exactly the same as Jesus. What was the name of that narcissistic complex disorder thingy?
The Judge and courts have made all the correct decisions so far. I anticipate they will continue to do the same thing, deny this appeal, then everyone can get on with putting this irritating and frankly embarrassing episode behind them. The appeal is nothing more than the same thing, but with new insults and crazy language that has no place in a legal document. If someone tells you that 2+2 does not equal 5, then shouting it louder or pleading with them will not make them change their mind.
DENIED!
There, I just did it for you :P And the 26? Five more days; makes me want to throw a party.
And incredibly satisfying.
I don't know why some of us feel JT will stop crusading against games. It is clear that the majority of his crusade is as a citizen, not as a lawyer. If anything, he will have more time for the crusade.
Once again Jacko can't keep his stories straight. I thought that gamers were flooding the bar with complaints. Of course I'm sure that in Jacko's eyes gamers aren't part of "the public."
Dear lord, i've said it before, i'll say it again, i'm actually expecting him to, at some point, claim to be the second coming. It actually would not surprise me. I'm not even kidding.
On a serious note: I wouldn't go counting Jack out of it just yet, given that the disciplinary hearing has been scheduled since February to review events that took place up to two years ago. I'd be surprised if he's been turfed by 2010. (Then again, I have no idea how American law works - maybe things move faster from this point on.)
He wont stop his crusade but at least he'll have less power to do what he wants. Without his license he would have to pay to bring all these ludicrous cases to court plus I doubt there's another lawyer insane enough to take this cases. On top of that I doubt any TV networks will be inviting him onto their shows after he's been disbarred for inappropriate conduct. Ultimately he'll just be a guy sitting at home writing threatening emails to people who know he's as harmless as a fly.
The only concern is that after he's disbarred he'll consider the "gloves to be off". As improbable as it seems, even Jack must of placed certain restrictions on himself. After he's disbarred he has no reason to follow ANY rules set out by the bar (and society).
Congrats, GP!!
Does this mean you can unban Thompson now, since he can't make anymore threats to sue you?
Regards,
Tom Arden, student, University of Leeds
"so Thompson is not in a position to harm “the public,” none of whom, by the way, has ever complained about Thompson’s ethics."
Neil Rogers is a person in the public who had reason to complain about Thompson's ethics. Indeed, to the extent that he had to get a restraining order.
Dennis had to make a complaint as a member of the public as he was being harassed by Thompson.
The only reason that none of us as members of the public have not complained about him formally is that his unethical behaviour has done such a good job of running his reputation into the ground we didn't have to. I wonder how many tax payers who funded the failed laws that he co-wrote would complain about him if they knew how much of their money he helped waste unethically, not giving a damn whether his bill held water or not, just as long as it catered to his opinions.
How about the ethics of using his own kid in "stings" to further his personal agenda against Take Two?
How about his ethics in contacting the department of a police officer shot by an escaping violent criminal and saying "Hi, sorry about your loss, VIDEO GAMES, VIDEO GAMES, VIDEO GAMES!".
How about his ethics in signing up to a video game forum, one of whose members had recently taken his own life despite efforts by the admins and members to talk him out of it and then gloated about the fact that someone was dead?
How about his ethics in prying into Janet Reno's sexuality simply because she defeated him in going for a professional position.
Etc, etc.
There's plenty of ethically nasty things he has done, but as far as he is concerned, anything he does can't be wrong. I mean, he is like Jesus after all :P
Younger/Middlesex abstention was appropriate. Mr. Thompson did not appeal that ruling, and that ruling is now conclusive as to abstention (at least with respect to the allegations presented in that case).
For a guy who's out to "destroy" the Florida Bar, he sure loves not actually doing it...
If he was actually being harassed by the Bar, he would have had ample grounds to appeal. Since he didn't, it's clear he's using the Federal courts as a club to threaten the Bar into doing things his way. When they call his bluff, he backs down.
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Have fun Jack.
What's more, Rockstar has contracted me, personally, to crawl the internet and goad the mindless legions of gamers into a state of frenzy so that they'll go to school after Thanksgiving and commit unthinkable acts of sex and violence on a scale not seen since before Noah rode his Ark.
Oh, and one more thing: the tryptophan in turkey? The government put it there! Every Thanksgiving at midnight, secret agents scramble through the neighborhood and implant microchips into kids' brains while everyone is passed out from the poultry. They then use the kids as slaves in sweat shops they run after school. Mom and Dad think their little angel is just at some after-school program playing dodgeball and finger-painting, but really they're soldering together more brainwashing microchips and feeding them to their lunchtime friends whenever they share their food!
Oh, and World of Warcraft is just a simulation for the impending apocalypse. For the hoard!
(fact that plaintiffs were not granted a hearing when they believed they were entitled to one is not enough to justify federal intervention in pending state proceedings)
It's too bad he couldn't really comment on the absurdity of JT's claims, but it's nice to know that JT's inability to actually go through with the disciplinary hearing, and then appeal it, has failed miserably.
This suit was nothing but a stalling tactic. Just like declaring he's running for a judge's position, firing off dozens of motions in response to any filing, demanding various people outside the court's jurisdiction be compelled to come to testify, and finding any excuse under the sun to recluse council, judges, etc.
Mr. Thompson, I've watched a lot of TV and moves over the years. If it's taught me one thing, it's that no one takes you seriously when you make everything into a conspiracy theory.
They have a word for this, it's called crazy. And your self induced sanity test? As the Inquisitors of the Imperium in Warhammer 40,000 are known to say:
"Innocence proves nothing."
Ye, Jack won't go away, he's too crazy for that, but his misinformation loses a lot of weight, he won't be able to fool people as easily.
He can call me all the names under the sun, I don't give a damn, but the thing that made Thompson such a loose cannon was the fact he seemed to think his law degree gave his opinions the weight of fact.
"Guys, be realistic. Jack’s not going to go away. He’s either going to latch onto some watchdog like Common Sense Media, or he’ll be a frothing civic protestor “unchained” by the rules of decorum he labored under while employed as a lawyer."
If this is out of line, Dennis, feel free to shit-can the comment, but Phantom, you say that as if rules of conduct and decorum ever stopped him before.
Good to know the fledgling ECA isn't going to have to hire a lawyer, those overpriced scumsuckers! (lol) Also good to know that GP can still continue as usual, with no false threat of lawsuits to hamper your writing about JT's doings.
GP, I request that you delete and warn any poster who tries that stupid "First!" crap. Thanks.
The part I find funniest is that if Jack didn't fight this whole discipline thing kicking and screwing all the way, then he'd probably actually have a better chance of keeping his license. After all, in my experience, professional organizations don't like completely kicking out one of their members if a lesser disciplinary action would suffice.
Yet no, Jack has to kick, and scream, and rant, and threaten, send gay porn to a judge, allege conspiracy, and generally make himself even more unprofessional, and unethical. All because he can't possibly conceive of the idea of him being the one that's out of line, or that the rules apply to him.
So... he claims they didn't give him notice of what rules he violated when they sent him a notice telling him he was up for disciplinary review, but he didn't give the judge a copy of the notice so the judge could see for himself that they didn't say why he received the notice...
Must have been too busy filing gay porn to remember to file a document critical to his case...
[commence shunning]
Wait, who were we talking about?
"When was the last time Jack Thompson posted a comment on this site?"
I dunno. I imagine he'll pop up if we say his name about five more times...in front of a mirror