Columnist: Games are Crack Cocaine of Electronic World

Columnist: Games are Crack Cocaine of Electronic World

December 13, 2007
A columnist for Canada's conservative National Post writes that games are electronic crack - and doesn't stop there.

Father Raymond J. de Souza (left) who also teaches and serves as chaplain at Queen's University, opens by copping to a Tetris addiction during his college days:
I learned the truth about video games the hard way, and so this is the lesson I offer for free: Don't play video games. Don't own them. And for the sake of all that is good and holy, don't buy them for your children...

Since [deleting Tetris] I have never played another video game. It's too dangerous. Video games take what is most precious -- time and thought. And they are making kids fat.

Video games are like a black hole into which time disappears...They are the crack cocaine of the electronic world...

Did I mention that far too many video games celebrate graphic violence, multifarious delinquency and borderline pornography? I don't have to. Tetris had none of that, and it was deadly enough.

GP: With all due respect, how does one condemn an entire form of media based on one's own problems with time management? Never thought I'd be tagging Tetris under the "controversial games" category, by the way...

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He says that as if television, which remains more pervasive, didn't also eat vast quantities of society's time. And as if ANY hobby's purpose weren't to pleasurably expend spare time.

"With all due respect, how does one condemn an entire form of media based on one’s own problems with time management?"

GP hit it on the head. This comes down to a man who feels he has to save us all from his OWN failings.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

That's all that needs to said about the worthless turd writing that crap in Canada, really.
That sounds about right... to both of the above responses. :P
Is it just me or are the current 38-55 year old generation, getting more frightened by gaming than they ought to be? It never used to be this bad.
*Waits for everyone here to rip this guy a new one*


Screw it, I can' wait...


So...Games are making kids fat, eh? No they're not... I'm American, k? I know all about the fatness 'round here. Our society is full of lazy people who thinks dining on McDonalds' heart-attack on a bun everyday is a good idea.

A lot of people around here do NOT eat healthy. I notice this around my school. I've seen pleanty of other students snaking on cookies or chips in the morning, and have you seen what the school serves for lunch? God...

Oh and it's not very hard as a parent to get your kid off of the games and outside. Seriously, If i ever become a father with a wife and child and I believe he's playing too much games, all I need to do is flat out tell him that I want him to save his game and GET OFF. Since I'm a gamer, he/she can't lie to me/trick me either, so I'll know whether or not he happens to "accidently" pass a save point or not :P.

...And if he doesn't get his/her arse off, I'm pulling the damn plug.

Comparing games to drugs ticks me off. It's much easier to turn off your game console rather than trying to stop snorting crack cold turkey.

Violence? Well sure, violence is everywhere. Why should it matter? Especially when the majority of violent games are for... ADULTS. Anything "violent" for a younger audience usually has cartoonish violence which dates back to the good 'ol days of Looney Tunes. Ah...how I miss those unnecessary wacks to the face with a hammer...

P.S. If anything, games has made my life worthwhile. It gives me something to look foward to, and something which has "helped me" gain some real-life friends.
"Never thought I’d be tagging Tetris under the “controversial games” category, by the way…"

Well, you know, if you line up those blocks just right, you could probably make some sort of obscene yet really low-res image. Those L-blocks are kinda phallic too, now that I think of it..

Won't someone think of the children?!1
Sorry, CanWest, the parent company of the National Post is kinda of the analogue for Fox News up here. Their TV news broadcast (Global News) is just awful -- crowd pleasing sensationalism at it's finest. I'll admit that while the Post isn't all sensationalist 'New Right' drivel, it is pretty damn biased (there's only one paper to read here, and that's the Globe).

Btw, the Star is garbage too (typical leftist Michael Moore-style crap) -- it ran the NFS/Street Racing angle a while back. Again, the only real paper is the Globe.
@ illspirit

Holy crap! I've never thought of that. Those L-shaped blocks are rather phallic. Tetris needs to be banned immediately. :O

Actually, after this...I wouldn't be surprised if Tetris gets on that special "index" in Germany now...
Personally, I think popping in Lost Planet for a few hours is less a waste of time than kneeling in front of a priest listening to sermons nobody seems to take to heart, standing in line for a chance to eat nasty-tasting cracker-breads and "wine", and being told how I should think and that I should have the same moral compass as the people in the same room, even when that moral compass says I should be stoning non-believers and gay people to death.
Bad enough this guy does nothing more than rant on and on without any facts to support his claims and then calls it an editorial, but he has the nuts to insist that video games take an eternity to play, when even a casual gamer will be capable of completing most games within 1-2 weeks. And that's with a 2-hour play minimum. And of course, if anybody can tell me how "passive" a single round of DDR is, or how motionless a single run through a Rock Band song on the drums tends to be, let me know on paper how many calories you lost first. Meanwhile, I'll trust Knights of the Old Republic a lot more than this dude to tell me what is right and wrong in this world.
Just because that idiot has time control issues and an addictive personality, doesn't mean he should tar us all with the same brush.
@ Kajex

Haha, but what about those of us who go Dark in KOTOR EVERYTIME? I can't seem to be able to help it :P

Yeah, Church is kinda pointless and boring. It IS a free lunch, however, so I didn't complain when I was made to go as a kid.
@ jonwanker

I know what you mean. I'm always the dude who uses logic and tries to be as neutral as possible, while my friend is darkside all the time. I'd STILL rather be able to make my own decisions than have some bible-thumper tell me that what I'm doing is bad, when half the stuff he preaches is probably worse.
Pre-tell, how old was this guy when he went to college? To look at him, I'd say he was 18 in around 1980...
So how could he play Tetris in 1980, and how would someone even in 1989 go about deleting a Game Boy cartridge?

Either hes lying about his playing of Tetris at college, or God, ironically, hasn't been kind to him.
You know what else takes up time? Reading. Going to school. Going to work. Living takes up time. I'd rather take up time being hedonist, myself, as for other people, though: Nobody's perfect.
I'll bet this all stems from reading someone in the 90s referring to everquest as 'evercrack'. That or sexual abuse from a bunch of guys dressed as mario & donkey kong...

I enjoy wildly unfounded sweeping generalisations as much as the next man, I'll label mac users in with child molesters and cult leaders because I think there's a serious psychological defect in anyone who willingly uses a 1 button mouse but damn, this one is sort of about ME! That dog won't hunt monsignor!
I really worry about the willpower someone lacks if they can't pull themselves away from Tetris and say "that's enough."
Hey, let's make sure we ban other stuff where all you do is sit on your ass getting fat while listening to nonsense, like reading books, watching TV, and going to church!
Ya know... reading through that entire bag on sensationalist shock-inducing drabble kinda reminded me of this one line in a parody-type review of Sonic 2006...

"In this game, water is HORRIBLE! DON'T TOUCH IT! If it's more than a foot deep it will kill you and your entire family! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!"

He spent half that article going on how much time is wasted and how it and every other form of media take away from one's imagination, and how they're the 'source' of childhood obesity. I don't even need to go into those things, common sense already supports my point against those things he said.
"Did I mention that far too many video games celebrate graphic violence, multifarious delinquency and borderline pornography?"

Beowulf(the movie) anyone All the way through it I was saying "This is trying to be a porn movie for kids". Why is no one attacking this movie for the same reasons as above?
Any fans of star trek the next generation here? Ahaha it's the internet, of course there is!

Remember an episode called "The Game" where all the crew get addicted to a game? The game stimulated the brain rewarding them for a relatively simple act of putting a disc in a cone and basically disabled them so aliens could take over the Enterprise. That sounds faintly reminiscent of tetris to me. MAYBE he had the souped up alien version of tetris and he's trying to save us all from their evil scheme! Why the man's a bloody HERO!

Oh wait, it was made by a russian wasn't it. He's trying to save us from COMMUNISM! Damn he's a double hero!
I think he found a kid playing game boy during his sermon...

He cant take it that Nintendo's donation plate is always so much bigger. I'm sorry but the Church of Miyamoto is so much more compelling.

Let he who is without sin throw the first Wiimote...

I cant believe this kind of argument has endured so long. Online gaming has created global communities the likes of which have never seen before. It opens doors and erases borders. Games bring us together. I dont see that as a waste of time. Writing and reading propoganda is a waste of time.
Gaming is electronic crack eh? I wish I had some of what he's having.

"Video entertainment is by nature passive"

I thought this line was quite funny because most anti-game campaigners keep saying that violence in games is different than other media because the person takes an active role in them.
Haha.

I always thought that the gamers are the skinnier of the lazy people, versus the ones that just sit and watch tv. Cause you can't eat and play at the same time (yet)
please I'm desperate I NEED just one more hour of Mario. Come on man don't be like that you know I'm good for it!
that ladies and gentlemen is a remarkable example of a real douchebag.
>"With all due respect, how does one condemn an entire form of media based on one’s own problems with time management?"

Exactly. But you're being shortsighted, missing the big issue: why is a comparison to crack automatically seen as such a negative? Crack, after all, only has a bad reputation because of the failings of a few. I myself use it all the time with only mild recourse to murder and prostitution.
Seems to me that Souza's writing reflects more on his poor time management skills back in college than it does the evils of video gaming.

Cripes - he looks old enough to be my dad, and he still considers his Tetris addiction - I have to say it, that is pathetic - some traumatic moment in his life?

Sounds like somebody's running out of ideas to write in his column...
How is Tetris more of a waste of time than reading mythology from 1000's of years ago? Just saying.
You sir are a pineapple!
Odd that he says that video games are taking away our time and thoughts, since only about 5% of my games don't require a lot of thinking. I have God of war II for when I need something mindless (relaxing after a hard day of work), and a list of games that would take till tomorrow to list that requires serious mental work to get anywhere in. Even odder that he mentions a tetris "addiction" since that was the first game my own parents got into because it required them to think to win, and found challenging their spacial perceptions very enjoyable, not to mention they got very active while playing (playing on the gamecube... so it's not like shaking the controller around like a wii-mote is going to do anything). TV seems to be fine with him though, never mind the fact that TV is totally passive and mindless, takes at least a half hour per kids show and even longer for anything else that isn't a regular cartoon episode. Even someone barely playing a game uses more calories than someone sitting watching TV, granted it's probably in the 5-30 range tops, but still better than nothing. The numbers also go much higher when it's DDR, Rock Band, or any of the other games that require real physical interaction to play.

GP hit my other thought on the head on with the "With all due respect, how does one condemn an entire form of media based on one’s own problems with time management?" at the end of the post. Really no better way I can think of to put this. It really is this simple though, if you're wasting your life away playing too much tetris it's your fault and not the game, you fail at basic time management and the game is simply a distraction you're too weak to overcome. If the game wasn't there you'd find something else to latch onto probably even more worthless, like daytime soaps or interpretive dance.
After reading this person's "article" I know what his problem was: he never played video games! Like anything if something is forbidden from you for a long period of time when you finally get your hands on it, you don't know how to react and you either become frightened or addictated, or both in this case. If he had played games in a controlled enviroment with someone to tell him to get off his brain would have the ablility to say "stop now.." this is a failure to adapt not a problem inhertiantly put into games. Yes games are addictive but again if you're introduced early you will know to stop.
I'm personally offended by his choice of words in one line: "...for the sake of all that is holy and good" so games, and by proxy gamers, are unholy and evil? As for video games being a "black hole into which time dissapers" so is TV hobbies and chruch so he proabably shouldn't be talking. As for fatness its because the "streets are dangerous" or at least thats what parents think so they don't let little Jimmy go out and instead keep him inside and the style of teaching were subjected to effictivly kills all imignation unless you're really strong willed so where else are we going to go to enterain ourselves?
But the pictures, they MOVE! That's a sure sign of witchcraft & by extension, satanic evil.
Is there any way we can contact Fr. Souza regarding his writing?

And no - not for flaming's sake. It's about time we sent him replies indicating that his assumptions about our interestes are dead wrong.
Was that serious? We're in the middle of December, but after reading that man's comments I seriously though it was April 1st. That guy seriously is one of the most idiotic people I've ever head of.
I don't remember anybody losing weight while reading the Bible.
@ Twin-Skies

Yeah, I emailed this to him using a link I found on the site. Maybe he'll put it in the next post, or actually reply? That would be cool, since I actually goto Queen's University -- I used my queensu.ca email to try to get his attention ;).

Here is my letter.


I've seen video games blamed for a lot of things, but this really takes the cake. Psychologists might quibble over the consequences of violence on youth (there is no clear evidence for a causal relation between media violence and aggression/violence), but this really takes the cake. Now we're blaming procrastination on games too? People waste time, therefore video games are like crack -- this seems to be the gist of your column and it seems to be fairly ridiculous.
We do not get rid of the tendency to waste time by removing the means by which people waste time. Heck, you can waste time doing just about anything, as long as it is not what you're supposed to be doing! I have a friend who makes food instead of studying sometimes, is cooking like crack too? Also, you seem to dismiss the entire medium out of an off-handed assertion that most video games are either frivolous or indecently frivolous. Wasn't that the accusation levelled at Shakespeare way back when?
Sure, most games aren't art -- they aren't meant to be, but there are many titles which provide truly great narratives and satire. This is all not even mentioning that video games have demonstratively improved the mind's ability to multi-task and problem solve, as well as hand-eye coordination to boot. Accusing gaming as frivolous would be to also condemn reading fiction or playing sports as frivolous too. And, if you haven't noticed, reading is a passive indoor activity too -- should we blame obesity on reading too, or only on activities that seem strange and foreign to us?

Your reasoning against video games is out right atrocious. You're a professor -- at Queen's no less. Do better.
@ Twin-Skies:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/index.html Thats the pape he writes for
http://educ.queensu.ca/index.shtml that's where he teaches. Most academic email addresses I've seen are first initial last name format.
Ha ha, the title got me laughing but when i read Father Raymond J. de Souza little speech i almost burst into tears. I'm sorry, i know it is unprofessional of me for doing that but i couldn't stop my self.
@jonwanker

Thanks. Looks like you've said just about everything I wanted to tell the padre. Here's to hoping he gives it a meaningful reply.

Cheers
I'm not one for expletives normally, but what a pathetic streak of piss this man is, apparently his own 'weakness' is the worlds fault.
my wife and i had this argument once. we were playing games and at the end of the day she complained that she had nothing to show for it.

i explained that it was a hobby and done for fun, thus you didn't need to produce any work. she just didn't understand. her major hobbies are all arts and crafts (and she does stained glass work for a living) so she expects output of a physical nature, but games (as with reading) is mental.
you gotta excuse the language but i gotta get this out

yeah since tetris is so FUCKING violent and miserable
dont condem a industry that makes more money a year than you will ever see in your life you bastard

"Don’t play video games. Don’t own them. And for the sake of all that is good and holy, don’t buy them for your children…"

yeah okay ill just stop playing games and you will just stop condemming games and being a as said by jonc 2006 "remarkable example of a real douchebag."

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *choke* death via laughter
So...

He had fun playing a game, and that's bad?

It's obviously the GAME's fault he can't manage his time sensibly.
@jonwanker:

Big ups on that letter, I think you said exactly what we were all thinking.

Additionally, what are you doing at Queen's? I was just wondering because a friend of mine went there for her undergrad, my girlfriend is there for grad school, and I'm planning on going there in 2009-10 for my B. Ed.
@ Twin-Skies; Samson Effect, Gordon Freeman Edition

Thanks.

Though to tell the truth, emailing him was an act of procrastination on my part (and so is this!); oh, the irony!

I'm currently doing a Ba(Hons) in Philosophy -- or pre-law, as I like to call it, if only to feel less useless. That's cool, I know people who are planning to go into the Faculty of Education as well. Small world, eh?

De Souza teaches in the Faculty of Education, btw. So, if you see him, say hello for me, will ya?
@Paul Kerton

Pre-tell, how old was this guy when he went to college? To look at him, I’d say he was 18 in around 1980…
So how could he play Tetris in 1980, and how would someone even in 1989 go about deleting a Game Boy cartridge?

Either hes lying about his playing of Tetris at college, or God, ironically, hasn’t been kind to him.


Tetris was released for about a bazillion different platforms. That includes various computer editions in the 80s. Calling him a liar just shows your own ignorance, and makes it look like you aren't smart enough to counter any of the real holes in his argument.
I've never liked the Post. Their first run when they were started up as an "alternative to the liberal media" was to try to claim the premier of Manitoba was "denying his Ukrainian heritage in order to fit in with whites".... as a cover story...

They've toned it down since Conrad Black sold them, but he pretty much started it as a newspaper to allow him to bitch about liberals...
That was the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life.
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It isn't the fault of games, its the fault of the player. Everything in the world is addicting. Everything. Bread, butter, grass, moose, milk, alcohol, news... Anything that causes stimulation can become addicting to a person.

The fact is that some people find some things so addicting that they can't stop. That isn't the fault of the product, that's a psychological fault of the user. In the case of this Tetris problem its a thinking problem, not a gaming problem. Odds are he'll never be able to game without help.
"I learned the truth about video games the hard way, and so this is the lesson I offer for free: Don’t play video games. Don’t own them. And for the sake of all that is good and holy, don’t buy them for your children…"

I don't believe that games come under the evils of the world so appealing on the grounds of "all that is good and holy" is pretty repugnant.


"Since [deleting Tetris] I have never played another video game. It’s too dangerous. Video games take what is most precious — time and thought. And they are making kids fat."

So what you are telling us is that you have no concept of computer games outside of playing one of the most famous ones that uses the most rudimentary graphics and playing styles. I attended church as a child so does that qualify me enough to dictate to people what religion they should follow? By your logic it does.

Quite often Time is used up in a mutitude of ways from watchign television to playing sports. If you can demonstrate how a hobby that improves hand eye coordination and thought processes which can now have a story or plotline akin to a basic novel is less worthy than reading a book, I will listen.

As for making kids fat, no. Eating too much and/or not doing enough exercise is making kids fat, and I don't see the church helping with that.

Heres a story about how much the church cares about children's health - when I was 7 I used to go to church on sunday morning and then on the evening goto a church run football/sports hour. I decided to stop going to sunday school as I wasn't enjoying it - wasn't even so much the message, but how it was being told. Singing lame songs and listening to someone preach for 30 minutes was dull. What happened next? I was told if I didn't goto church then they wouldn't let me play football. Result? I stopped playing football.


"Video games are like a black hole into which time disappears…They are the crack cocaine of the electronic world…"

I see your video games and raise you Television. As soon as you want to lead the way and remove the evangelical tv stations and songs of praise from the airwaves, I will listen.


"Did I mention that far too many video games celebrate graphic violence, multifarious delinquency and borderline pornography? I don’t have to. Tetris had none of that, and it was deadly enough."

If you consider Tetris to be deadly I suggest you never goto a building site. Once again I ask you how you come to this conclusion when you have just openly admitted to never playing another video game.

If this is your idea of the Church being relevent to people in the 21st Century then I suggest you give up now. Poorly researched soundbites and misinformation really is not helping your cause and all you will succeed in doing is turning more children away from your religion.
"And they are making kids fat."

Unexpected weight gain? BLAME the GAME.
@jonwanker

Small world indeed, and I will say hi to him for you if I get in. ;) I was just wondering what you were doing in case you knew either my girlfriend (started her Masters in Biochem this year) or my friend (she just finished a psych degree.)
This is why I hate organzed religion in general. You have an obviously easily distracted, addictive personality trying to lead a 'flock?' Yeah, that's a recipe for mature, spiritually aware congregations!

Poverty, chastity, and humility. You pretty much filter out the best, brightest and most capable leaders with that.

So you're stuck with the modern equivalent to a book burner, instead.
Like I said a few times before, the douche has a problem with time being spent with videogames. He's also a priest, so he wants people listening to his bulls... I mean "sermons". People have less time to go to church because videogames are so much MORE fun (and a better moral compass, I'd take to use KOTOR as mine long before I consider church, like others said) and people prefer to play than to listen to an old priest, who's clearly completely oblivious to reality. Sermons suck, imagine how a sermon from this guy would suck even harder.

Anyway, back to topic, people who play videogames have less time to go to church, because playing is fun and going to listen to 2.000 years worth of hypocritical rants isn't. I wonder if there is a correlation between that and "video games are evil"...
This guy does not speak for me or the Catholic Church.
Remember everyone, because I can't handle alcohol, you're not allowed to drink it.
Wonder how he feels about L Block winning gamefaqs.com's best character contest this year XD In all seriousness, considering I use a combination of the Eye Toy Kinetic, DDR games, and Wii Sports for the majority of my exercise, I think I'm doing just fine playing videogames. It's called budgeting time.

And who didn't slack off in college at some point, either due to girls, beer, girls, drugs, girls, skipping classes? Sorry father, but just because you had a problem with Tetris, doesn't make it evil. It means you have an addictive personality and probably found your God who saved you. I wonder just what else distracted him from his studies that he won't go into.
...A priest claims that, "video games take what is most precious — time and thought."

Hmmm... When it comes to a time loss, you'd think video games fail in comparison to talking to yourself about a theistic God several times a day and devoting your entire life to the study of self-contradictory Bronze Age superstition.

No further comments needed, lols.
@~the1jeffy

This looks to me of being more of a case of a preacher who hasn't been doing his homework, rather than the religion stating that gaming is evil.
@Pandralisk..

LOL Whilst I'm not neccesarily agreeing, I'll fully support that one mans 'waste of time' is another mans' 'life-choice', I don't tell Preachers not to Preach, I don't tell Ninjas not to Ninje, so why should other people tell me what to do?
Well, I guess all of us are as high of a kite now aren't we? This guy is completely condeming games based on his own experience. If he couldn't stop playing tetris though, that is his problem. There are a few people who do play uncontrollably (I am not going to use the term addicted) and let it impact their lives.

Well I am a huge gamer, probably bigger than he could ever be, yet I still have time for:

Going to the gym
Going to college (didn't miss a day this term)
Doing my homework and passing it in on time

Some of us can handle our crack well, can't we?

Throwing violence into the mix is another issue. He is doing nothing but adding fuel to the fire, although that is likely what he wanted.

" Not only do games get you fat and stupid, but they desensitize you to violence too!!! "

That's essentialy everything he just said condensed into 1 sentence.

Also what in the world is up with the usage of the term "deadly" when he is describing video games. They don't hurt people. The only way one could be considered deadly is if someone beat someone else over the head with an xbox 360 (a game cartridge would likely break first).

He says that gaming takes away thought, well here is a thought.

You are wrong. No one is forcing you to like them, so what right do you have to attack games.

The saddest part is that some people will believe him because he is a "survivor" of video game "addiction". Because he was in the "front lines" so to speak.

I am ashamed that he is a canadian too, but I guess we have crazies north of the border too.
Let me begin with saying that, as an evangelical Christian myself, I think this man is seriously mistaken.

I do agree that gaming can be addictive to certain personality types. If it us to the individual, or their parents if the person in question is a minor, to make sure that they don't start falling into addictive behaviour patterns. Its a part of learning to be accountable for your own actions. For a lot of people part of that process will inevitablly involve prayer, and going to people such as trusted friends, a pastor, maybe even a therapist. Doing all that should help in dealing with the many issues that lead some people down the darkened path that is addiction.
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This guy has no clue what the hell he's even talking about. The things he says makes him look like the Canadian version of Jack Thompson.
Hmmmm... Maybe Tetris and Pong are getting together create their terrifying love-child, Tetrong - Slayer of Cities...
Memo to the Father:
Everything can be addictive. Also, tell me how reading the Bible not make you obese. What physical activity do you get out of reading the Bible or any other book?
Just another christian fundamentalistic propagandist and liar, enemy of videogames, roleplaying games, wisdom, freedom and tolerance ...
Pandralsik, thank you for at least keeping your very expected rebuttal short and sweet.
*sigh* I hate people, that is all.
The fact that this guy claims Tetris is evil just ends the argument right there...

...looney...

'nuff said.
Ayup. Mental priest with a massive misunderstanding of the subject the size of Mars.

Move along, kids.
Deadly tetris?

Am i the only one who is completely bewildered about what the heck he is raving about?
@GoodRobotUs:

"I don’t tell Ninjas not to Ninje"

That's one of the funniest things I've read on GP in a while. =)
I see the Dog Collar, and I know everything about this article.
Can't forget that after studying the situation even Dr. Phil said that video game addiction was the players fault and not the game. There is no basis in reality for what this guy is saying. Then again reality seems in short supply for some extremely religious people as they have no problem saying science is wrong about xyz because xyz doesn't agree with the bible (often used to really mean their own agendas, like JT 'nuff said). On that note, anyone else notice that all the crazies kinda sound alike? Where's the rational, well thought out, mature crazy? I'm much rather debate him than the current breed of crasy.
Forgot to mention this, sorry for double-post

@Chuma

All good points.

And @ GoodRobotsUs

I believe you're looking for “I don’t tell Ninjas not to Ninja”
Still very funny post though.
Wow I wonder if that guy has been addicted to anything else.
@ Pandralsik

Some how you always find away to talk about religion lucky for you it is actually important this time.
Of course games are evil. I assume he's Catholic, and as Dennis Leary says, the main principle behind Catholicism is "If it feels good, stop." Like all irrelevant old chumps, he doesn't want anyone else to have fun in life.
@ix

just don't forget that theory is theory until proven.
@handofcrom

yes he is a Catholic from reading his wiki page
wrong on the principles of Catholicism.

and again, Fr. Raymond doesn't speak for all Catholics, he speaks for himself
The problem with crack, you see, is that it's very moreish.

"And for the sake of all that is good and holy, don’t buy them for your children… Since [deleting Tetris] I have never played another video game. It’s too dangerous. Tetris had none of that [violence], and it was deadly enough."

Did Armando Iannucci write this? Chris Morris perhaps? You're not seriously telling me it was a real person.
Yes and gays are hated by god and sinners will go to hell just because they used God's name in vein by saying "Oh my god." and the only way to make it into heaven is to donate all our hard earned money to The 700 Club.

Also I feel like throwing a party to celebrate all the violent, multifarious delinquency and borderline pornography things in the world, filming it, and then sending it to this guy.
That's funny.. I used to play games all the time a few years ago. Now I simply don't. I don't recall having a withdrawl, just a change of interests.

Although now I play a few games, only out of boredom.
@ Ben Yaka

He would be there in disguise
He screwed up and is now blaming video games instead of admitting he failed at better managing his time >_> .

I barely even play video games now a days, however I did have a problem before with managing my game time, but that's not a problem anymore ;) .
mbkerr Says:

December 13th, 2007 at 9:52 am
Hey, let’s make sure we ban other stuff where all you do is sit on your ass getting fat while listening to nonsense, like reading books, watching TV, and going to church!


Ditto.
Colonel Finn Says: "Is it just me or are the current 38-55 year old generation, getting more frightened by gaming than they ought to be? It never used to be this bad."

It's been this way with every generation. It's really no worse now. The MSM needs witches and straw men every so often that are easy targets for creating fear in the minds of viewers (and keeping them watching through the commercial breaks).


@~the1jeffy -- I wouldn't lay this at the feet of religion. This is a guy with an addictive personality (he could have had the same problem with soap operas, televised sports, ping pong, foosball, or crossword puzzles during college) who is taking his anecdotal problem and trying to make it into advice for others.
All medical studies on the subject show that game play increases obesity because of a) over-production of stress hormone cortisol, and b) lack of physical activity.

How some facts here for a change?
@william

Sources please, or are you afraid we'll see through them?
Maybe he should invest in a timer or something to let him know when to put the games down. He obviously lacks any type of self control. I love that he can state with authority that none have control, oh and games are making kids fat. Sad sad man.

Might I suggest sir that you find a real Black hole and compare them? Remember to get measurements from the inside as well.
@william panderlust

Sources please. Oh, sorry Thompson, I forgot, those don't benefit you.

Also, how did you get around a ban this time?
I like snorting up video games because I have an addiction.
considering that games are played to decrease stress by the majority of gamers, i'm going to call bullshit on the stress-induced fattening.
@ Weighted Companion Cube:

Only when you put it down.
Thank you Father, for giving me a recap of how time is related to opportunity cost. That's all you did, nothing more sans a bit of sensationalism. Can't avoid a pun here, but you are really preaching to the choir.

His statements all boil down to lousy time management and self-control. He doesn't even try to hide it, because with comments like "black hole which time disappears", anyone reading from a birds eye view can tell, it's just an issue of time and prioritizing.

If I started reading from the middle of his column, I would've thought he was talking about building character. Just when you thought the conclusion was going to point to time management, BAM! you get a twist in the column and it turned out to be video games.

If he couldn't stop playing Tetris when more important things are on the line, it's due to his weak character.

Video games take time and thought away at the office as well. Loads of websites specifically made to provide games with Flash are popular with bored students and office workers. I'd wonder what his reactions would be if he switched places with a white collar worker.

And LOL at the "Tetris is deadly enough" statement. Maybe he was playing that version of Tetris where bomb blocks make lines explode.
"Black hole in which time dissappears"

Does that really happen in black holes? I thought that time actually slowed down...

It's pretty clear he had been playing the MOnty Python tetris game from many years ago that featured naked folks in the block positions, shouting, "I'm not dead yet!" and "I feel fine!"
And this is why I only read the Globe and Mail. Never really cared for the National Post, they're too eager to switch political alignment even though the company that owns them is essentially conservative.
@ william panderlust

All medical studies on the subject show that game play increases obesity because of a) over-production of stress hormone cortisol, and b) lack of physical activity.

How some facts here for a change?


You know what else increases obesity in exactly the same way?
-Driving in heavy traffic (WAY more stressful, same lack of activity)
-Pretty much ANY stressful job that requires long hours of desk-work... including lawyerin'!

It's not just games, it's computers in general. We use them in all facets of our lives now, and they don't require us to do much movement at all. How about showing both sides of the issue? Or putting the blame squarely where it should lie - with the parents, or if the gamer is no longer a minor, with the gamer him/herself?

I'm a gamer. I love FPS games. I'm also a martial artist. I'm 6'1" and weigh 185 lbs, roughly. Obese? I think not. According to some charts I'm "overweight", but those don't take into account frame-type or muscle mass (of which I have plenty, thanks).

For kids playing games, if they're getting fat because of games, it's because their parents aren't kicking them out of the house to go run around often enough. The game console isn't a goddamn nanny, as many parents seem to think it is.
You know, I've love to tell this guy that he shouldn't blame the video game for his inability to keep up with what time it was while he was playing it, but then I remember that on more than one occasion, I played X-com on my PC only to see several hours evaporate while trying to save the human species by making sure I properly equiped my squad "just right".

Darn you X-com! Darn you for being so darn enjoyable!

Seriously though, I wasted a LOT of time on X-com and had more than a few hours disappear because of it, but I don't think I'm going to condemn video games just because I had some fun. Thats just silly.
This is a joke, right?
I mean, come on. It has to be a joke.
A man of the cloth saying something ridiculously inept and absurd has to be joking right?

Please?
Please, we shouldn't give this ass clown the time of day. I manage my time well, and have a fulfilling life. I don't need his "professional opinion" on the matter.
Is it just me or is the whole "games are bad" becoming more and more associated with religious people? I don't remember the anti-games folk being as grounded in religion (or trying to appeal to those who do) ten years ago.
william panderlust = Jack Thompson? Definitely seems his style.
@Zerodash

Not sure. JBT used religion as his soapbox to preach from yet did not display much of anything in a christian vein. Hilary, Yee and Lieberman are not religious types of course. The Parental Watch Groups are based in religion by theory but have often proven themselves otherwise.

Of course with JBT in Banland yet again we are probably just noticing the other critics. Religion as we have noticed here (ouch) is touchy subject. It is easier to sway opinion when approached from a religious basis and especially the views of the masses.

It is a concern I have had since becoming aware of john bruce a few years back. Him becoming a TV minister.
what to say, what to say....

(shakes head...)
"Video games take what is most precious — time and thought. And they are making kids fat."

BZZT

I'm sorry sir but the only things making kids fat are gluttony, sloth, and sometimes genes. Nothing more nothing less.

You were addicted to tetris so what, how does that make it deadly? My father is somewhat addicted to chess and scrabble does that make them deadly as well?

oh and I thought I might add this, here's something his mother taught him

"My mother, whose principal goal in bringing up her children was not to affirm our self-esteem, was fond of telling us that only unintelligent children got bored."

I find this intriguing and not in the least bit acurate, anyone else care to comment on it.
At last, someone has finally said that Tetris is evil.

I can die happy, or catatonic (I don't know which).
The entire article was just...astounding, to say the least.

"In 'Lessons Learned,' our columnists will explain what they believe to be the one truth they wish they'd understood before setting out in life."

The ONE truth this man wished he'd understood before setting out in life is don't play video games? Good heavens.

"A couple of years ago, a few days before Christmas, a man showed up at the parish with a brand new Xbox video game system. He had bought it as a gift and wanted me to pass it on anonymously to a family in need. He thought that poor kids should have nice gifts too. His generosity put me in a difficult position, because I think video games are bad for kids. I found a family for the gift, and assuaged my conscience with the fact that video games are not intrinsically evil. But they are close."

Well, there's a dandy rationalization for you.

"My mother, whose principal goal in bringing up her children was not to affirm our self-esteem, was fond of telling us that only unintelligent children got bored. Our house had books and toys and siblings, and we had our imaginations -- my mother thought that more than sufficient for any child to amuse himself. Television, let alone video games, wasn't necessary."

That is so wrong on so many levels, I barely know where to begin. Any parent who's primary goal as a parent is to retard the development of their child's self-esteem needs to be bitch-slapped into next week. Period. Intelligent children don't get bored? Bull - intelligent people are more prone to boredom, especially intelligent kids. Frankly, if his mother was so keen on her children learning to amuse themselves, I'm surprised toys and books were allowed in her home - wouldn't a set of Lincoln Logs or a copy of "Swiss Family Robinson" have made it too easy for them?

You know, I wish I had time to worry about being addicted to video games - I might have more than 25 stars in Super Mario Galaxy and be able to find my way out of the damn Medical Pavilion in Bioshock.
as someone who believes in god and goes to Church every Sunday (and its not by force either I like going to Church) and is also a gamer since childhood I have only one thing to say to this guy "you are an idiot."
@ Xlorep

*ding ding ding* Winner!
Oh, come on, tetris is marihuana at best...
now World of Warcraft, that is crack....

but seriously, if the guy can't do both, have a life and play viseogames, that is his problem, leave those of us who can do both alone.
If he had such a problem with Tetris the video game maybew he should have played the board game instead:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148394
tetris? whats next to come under fire? scrabble?



well at least in scrabble you are rewarded for using words like anus and balls...

what were we talking about?
If an idiot blogs on the internet and no one reads it then it doesn't make a sound. I will never visit this website again. Which is a good thing considering I don't think I have ever been here before.
Wait, TETRIS?
[...] Link [...]
Video Games make kids fat. Ever hear of Dance Dance Revolution?
So basically the Father here is one of those rare(?) people who get utterly sucked into Tetris? We all have our time wasters sir, I suggest you discuss yours with a professional.
The Jack Thompson of Canada? Sorry Canadians
@ unitqm

Wait, are you talking about GP or the Preacher dude?

Also, FYI leave the Website field blank if you don't have one. Jeez even JT can get that right.
Let's substitute a few words here and there and see if it changes anything:

"Don’t watch pro-sports. Don’t buy tickets for events. And for the sake of all that is good and holy, don’t let your children watch them on tv…

Since [stopping watching basketball on tv] I have never watched another game. It’s too dangerous. TV sports take what is most precious — time and thought. And they are making kids fat.

Sports programs on tv are like a black hole into which time disappears…They are the crack cocaine of the entertainment world…

Did I mention that far too many sports shows celebrate graphic violence, multifarious delinquency and borderline pornography? I don’t have to. Cricket had none of that, and it was deadly enough."

The man is an idiot. My time spent playing TF2 or WoW online with friends is no more wasted than the time of a bunch of friends going to a house to watch the Superbowl, or a family playing board games together. My time spent playing a single player game is no more wasted than the time of someone sitting down to read a novel for an hour, or a person doing a jigsaw, or a person watching the latest episode of their favourite show.

Just because he got addicted to an activity does not mean that it will happen to everyone.
Tetris. That's what you've got for us, padre. That's all the exposure you've had to this culture and you've decided to make grand statements from your ivory tower. Geez louise, you're the guy Andrew Ryan was talking about. Go out and borrow an Xbox 360, get a copy of Bioshock or the Orange Box. Heck, borrow a Wii and check out Zelda and Super Mario...any of the games in the series will do. Before you start judging the people, walk amongst them, dammit.
I must admit to being a bit resentful of games apparently making me obese. Here I was thinking it was genetic predisposition served alongside large, meaty chunks of poor diet covered liberally in the rich thick gravy of 15 years of depression that sapped all my will to even move and at times bordered on the suicidal but it turns out that it was Ultima IV-IX all along!

Damn you Ultima Series! You may have given me the most accurate and sensible moral compass I ever encountered and helped me though some of the worst times in my life but you also gave me a physique resembling Jabba The Hutt!

Realistically though I've lost shitloads of weight in the last few years (from around 260kg down to 150 in 2-3 years) and my gaming has been as steady as ever and even when it waned some, it waned in favour of even more sedantry activities such as programming.


Hey there's a negative game story that I don't remember hearing, games have cheats in them right? Doesn't it therefore follow that all gamers are cheaters and will cheat at exams, taxes, relationships etc? We should start a wiki of some kind and group-write the single most histrionic anti-gaming article ever written and send it to somewhere like fox news to see if they bother to check the source or just use it because they're lazy.
Looking at wikipedia on "addiction":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

As with wikipedia, even professionals disagree as to what is or is not an "addiction". Chemical products, "drugs", tend to be more easily recognized as something one can have an addition to. But not all products that have a direct biological effect are seen as "addictions" if abused. Food or drinks do not tend to be recognized as something one can have an addiction to. One can overeat. One can have an eating disorder. But rarely, if ever, can one have an eating addiction.

Non-chemical products have been treated from time to time as addictions. Gambling, sex, even computer use (mostly games but no one knows if anyone is "addicted to spreadsheets").

At one time, "addiction", like "pornography", was a pretty clear term. But eventually, someone else would come along and claim use of the term for everything else under the sun, leaving that one time clear definitiong to be spread to the winds. Laymen want the terms used for everything they are "opposed" to give credibility to their arguments. And in so doing, left the professionals fighting amongst themselves, making it more difficult for the rest of us to know whether we may be susceptible to something or not. Almost as bad as the health profession arguming over what foods are good for us and what foods are bad for us and what diets work and what diets don't.

So while his argument may be valid for him, it does not necessarily follow that it will be true of everyone else. Because the addiction did not originate with the game. It originated with him. Unfortunately, he does not want to accept responsibility for his actions (whether he was in control of them or not). As with so many others, he wants to shift blame elsewhere.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Oh what rubbish, the next thing you'll be saying is that children who eat too many lollies and get sick are at fault where it's really the lolly companies in league with the game companies, porn industry and drug barons wanting to turn our children into some kind of superaddict!
@nightwng200

for example, I am a caffiene addict.
Ok, here's an interesting question:
Everything that has caffiene in it?

Also, is that all you're "addicted" to?

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software