Advocate Relates Grand Theft Auto to Violence Against Prostitutes

December 17, 2007 -
Today marks the fifth annual International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers.

The Toronto Sun reports that an advocate for sex workers believes that pop culture influences, including the popular Grand Theft Auto series, help legitimize violence against prostitutes. Anastasia Kuzyk of the Sex Workers' Alliance of Toronto told the newspaper:
Sex work is a job, and violence isn't in the job description...  There's a video game out there where you can run down prostitutes and kill them and beat them up and take their money. It feeds into the whole subculture of allowing the violence to continue. Violence against sex workers should not be normalized, but it is.

Kuzyk noted that between 1991 and 2004, 171 female sex workers were murdered in Canada. Street-level sex workers, she said, are 60 to 112 times more likely to be victims of fatal violence than the general population. 

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Re: Advocate Relates Grand Theft Auto to Violence Against

Be real: of course this game encourages violence! What we watch, read, play, and engage in all affects our minds most profoundly.  It's like food or diet: anything we consume becomes the very stuff of our very cellular structure, just as anything we are entertained by also affects our composition, our mental landscape.   In the same way that eating unhealthy foods leads to poor health, consuming unhealthy entertainment leads to a poor mental landscape.  Duh!  We live in a reality where consequence follows action, so don't pretend to be ignorant to your own power of imagination.  

On the topic of prostitutes "deserving" to be violated because of their dress or appearance:  this is a stupid and old argument, which only seeks to place the blame for violence on the victim.  NO ONE ever deserves to be raped, murdered, or otherwise harmed, regardless of their style.  The very idea that the victim could even remotely be responsible for the violence only shows how vastly dehumanized women have become in our culture!

Re: Advocate Relates Grand Theft Auto to Violence Against

The whole entire game is a sociopathic nightmare, working to desensitize the impact of violence and normalize the destruction of life.  So stupid.   The creators of games like this have their heads waaay up their asses.   Even more disturbing is the popularity of this game with young men.  We are raising a misogynistic, brutal, ignorant culture of violence, crime, and hatred when we give them games such as these to entertain their minds!  Horrific.

Whilst I hate to think of any woman having to sell sex, isn't this more down to the clientele?

Lets face it, most late teen and early 20s gamers probably aren't the most forward when it comes to women, whether having to get their interest legitimately, or having to pluck up the courage to go kerb crawling for it!!

Further more in Canada, whilst prostitution is legal, prostitution on the street is not legal. Nor is living off the profit made from paid for sex.

So how can these people run prostitutes down in the street, as street soliciting is illegal in Canada.

What has it come to when people who take part in illegal activities complain about legal ones?

It is a shame that there are some extreme people who are more likely to do violent things to prostitutes, it does not mean that GTA is to blame.

While paid sex might be undesirable for some, it is still an industry that makes money and instead of trying to kill them to stop the prostitution industry, why not just say no and say that you would not want to have their services???

killing someone because they don't have a moral life does NOT make it ok...just please everyone just use a bit of respect for those who might have a job that you might not like.

...Just, no. Kuzyk, F-, see me after class. Seriously, he thinks that prostitutes are being killed because of GTA? Not like some people that use them are in any way messed up... Not at all...

It has less to do with any form of "pop culture" and more to do with the general society's impression of "sex workers".

Freedom of Choice made for a great Pro-Abortion slogan, but the FACT is that Choice is a very broad term that should be considered for a great many issues, no matter what the gender or race or sexuality or whatever.

Many jobs are looked down on, and employees of such jobs are made fun of, disrespected, even treated with bigotry and hate.

What should be looked upon as an individual choosing a JOB, even one that many in society would place on the bottom rung of worthy jobs, rather than living off of other individuals or the government. Some of these jobs aren't glamorous. Some are down right demeaning to the individual, but they still choose those jobs. The fact is that individuals in the "adult business", no matter what the field, have made choices for themselves, whether others like it or not, and so long as they have the Freedom to Choose when to leave and not be forced to perform some act they do not wish to, they have a Right to do so without the verbal and mental abuse of the rest of society.

Pointing the finger of blame at fictional storylines for what happens in the real world is being ignorant, no matter how close you are to the situation, of what is going on in general society in the real world.

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Prostitutes have ALWAYS been ready made victims for predators of all sorts. Especially street walkers. (Anyone remember Jack the Ripper?)

Their job involves picking up strange men and taking them someplace where they won't be seen. Both parties have an interest in avoiding scrutiny.

It sucks, but it's got nothing to do with video games.

"Street-level sex workers, she said, are 60 to 112 times more likely to be victims of fatal violence than the general population. "

And course this has nothing to do with the fact that they are walking around the streets in the wee hours of the morning, are often alone during those hours, and are known to be carrying significant amounts of cash at any given time. No, it has everything to do with video games.

@ some guy

and also the fact that many of them are carrying (or looking for) illegal narcotics of some kind.


Yep. It's all the fault of them vidja games!

They chose to be prostitutes, so they should know all the risks that come with it. Besides, the less they wear, the more likely they'll become a victim. It's easier for a guy to rape a woman wearing next to nothing than one who's fully clothed.

Yeah, 'cause being a prostitute was so much safer before Grant Theft Auto came along. Jack the Ripper trained on a Murder Simulator(tm) over a hundred years before video games were even invented.

Is this guy seriously trying to claim that GTA 'legitimized' violence against Sex Workers (Which is a PC way to say HOOKER) SIX YEARS before the very first game was even made? (1997/1998 was when the original GTA was released, according to Wiki, which has a pretty good track record when it comes to actual public record facts.)

is it me, or are they just complaining that prostitutes are in the game? because as i undertstand it, you can kill ANY non-quest character in the game, its not as if prostitutes are being singled out. if they were, than i can understand the outcry. because its generic 'you can kill anyone', then i fail to see the importance of this particular case.

no one made an out-cry about being able to kill muggers in GTA 1.

@Tbone Tony

I'm not really sure what the last 2 parts of your post have to do with the subject.

Let me rephrase that, I don't think most prostitutes are killed by someone because they don't like prostitution. I think they are killed because they are easy targets.

I agree that its silly to single out Grand theft Auto for killing prostitutes, when there isn't a single point in the game where its required, and you can run down and kill anyone.

Its a snadbox game, it doesn't encourage anything, it lets you do what you want.

That said, violence against sex workers is deplorable, and shouldn't be tolerated in any form (in real life).

To be fair, what recompense does a prostitute have if she is the victim of a crime? Say someone, not even a 'customer' decides to beat her, take her money, and throw her in a dumpster. What exactly can she do about it?

She goes to the cops - she goes to jail for being a hooker.

If you are going to make prostitution illegal, then fine, enforce the laws. And punish people who solicit them to the same or worse degree. But since most law enforcement agencies view prostitution as a soft crime, or recognize that prositutes are more likely to be a victim of a 'worse' crime, ie theft, murder, assault, they simply don't go after them. Legalized prostitution is better, so a legal sex worker has legal recompense to go after someone who commits a crime against her. But, it still legalization isn't going to solve the issue. Personally, I think prostitution laws should be repealed. This would allow them to prosecute, and allow for the dissolution of the drug-laden heirarchy that keeps many, many prostitutes in thrall.

Then cops can go after drugs, rapists, assaults, etc. instead of wasting time on a trade that has always, and will always exist.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Theres no denying violence against sex workers is deplorable in real life. The irony of these comments is, apart from driving into everyone being possible, prostitutes are one of the many ways you can successfully spend money in San Andreas.

Why limit it to prostitutes though. Why don't we blame GTA for Dr. Harold Shipman becoming the world's most prolific murderer killing all those elderly people... or maybe the number 2 killer, Elizabeth Bathory... We could blame GTA for her, even though this phenomenon happened long before she turned up too!

In addition to what people have said above, it bears mentioning that prostitutes are not unique in the GTA series. You can run down anyone and kill them and beat them up and take their money. It's not a matter of GTA feeding a subculture of violence against prostitutes, it's a matter of something being scapegoated in place of the more complex/inherent actual problems.

We must also ban any film or tv show that has depicted violence against prostitutes as well as all books, plays, etc...

I guess with the release of Grand Theft Auto IV approaching, this kind of sentiment is to be expected.

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Papa Midnight

Crap, is it International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers ALREADY? I totally forgot to get my geisha anything. Now I have to spend my lunch hour fighting the crowds to get some roses and perfume or whatever.

Hi all! Quick question I am an [Insert Public Relationsions Representative for Some Major Industry/Group/Church] and am wondering how I could blame some negative aspect of my [Insert Major Industry/Group/Church] on video games, particularly GTA IV, even though such a negative aspect has been around long before video games. If you could give me some tips on how to blame something completely unrelated to my [Insert Major Industry/Group/Church] I would be in your debt! Thanks!

Assaulting a criminal in the process of a crime is a crime....
Ah political correctness how I love you.......

uhhh.... technically... being a sex worker is a crime... so.. the problem isn't that videogames say it's ok... it's that... prostitutes are generally unwilling to go to the police when they are abused... and the people that abuse them know this and it makes them easy targets...


not.... a playstation game...

... >_

Wow...

I wonder how much longer it will be before these people will relate WWII shooters to violence against Neo-Nazis. Right now they can't get any closer.

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

If you have to pay for sex, you have more problems than GTA.

Oh, we're sorry. We will make it impossible to kill hookers in GTAIV. Never mind you can kill everyone ELSE in the game and steal their money. We're so sorry. We didn't mean to offend you workin' girls.

Somehow I get a feeling people were beating up hookers long before GTA was around. Maybe that's just me.

I'm pretty sure Prostitution is not a job.. its a crime.

Violence practically should be part of the job description... Seriously, in general, people are often warned about walking the streets at night and yet on these very same streets these woman prostitute themselves to pretty much anyone walking the street that night, and have little way of defending themselves (especially since they make themselves more vulnarable by allowing any person to get very close to them... a regular woman would atleast steer clear of anyone coming close); hell prostitutes often can not and/or not willing to go to the police to make sure they can protect them or atleast get some payback against those that hurt them (nothing more attractive to a criminal then a crime they will never be reported for). There are a lot of depraved people out there and these people make themselves out to be easy targets to such terrible poeple. Their clientèle can be a serious problem... until they do something about that, violence against them is not going to go down.

@Keith K

"I’m pretty sure Prostitution is not a job.. its a crime."

Depends on who you talk to and where.

we all know that R* has a time machine that they use to distribute copies of GTA to all killers throughout history.

Prostitution isn't really something I like to talk about, because I shift between seeing it as a job and seeing it as a recreation.

We all know the answer as to whether GTA promotes violence against women..

I love the fact that the article COMPLETELY AND BLATANTLY ignores the "just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should, moron" rule.

@E.ZK

But then, if you've never done it, you're at a disadvantage in Best Man Speeches.

@Poeple pointing out that Prostitution is illegal

I do believe that the person speaking is canadian where prostitution is legal, so its not a crime. So the statement is actually correct. Grant it though, many of the same problems with prostitution remain... It being legalized does help in that they are able to go to the police for help, but the questions are, are they willing to? is their much the police can do after the violence took place? And do the police care enough about them to take them seriously? if the answer to these are "no", especially the last one, then prostitutes got a lot more serious problems they need to deal with then some videogame.

I find it funny (slightly), that people blame GTA about violence on prostitutes, forgetting that we have over 1000 years of history that says prostitution is regularly on the receiving end of both individual and state sanctioned violence. Of course, best not to confuse the issue with the facts, right?

Wait a second -- we're coming off the tailend of the biggest serial killer trial in the history of Canada, and they want to pass it off as pop culture? Robert Pickton was a farmer who never went anywhere near a PlayStation in his life, but he murdered anywhere between seven and forty-eight women at his pig farm. But far be it for the Toronto media to pay attention to anything that happens outside the city limits. The problem here isn't that the spokeswoman is uninformed; it's that she lives in a city that isolates and insulates its population from the rest of the nation.
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Fangamer

I think that we need to look at where these quotes are coming from rather then immediately jumping on them. This lady is going after violence against sex workers in the media in general and she's using the example of a video game - a game that we know to be GTA III - that she probably heard about on some news show. It's not that she's saying "ban video games because they're evil!"

I can get behind stopping violence against sex workers and I would even go so far as to say that in most games there's really no reason to have violence against sex workers in much the same way that in most movies there's no reason for the main character to beat a prostitute.

The thing is that in some media violence against anybody isn't exploitive. In some - hell, in many - cases it is but in some cases it's intrinsic to the media experience. In GTA III the connection is even slimmer - violence against prostitutes in GTA III is circumstantial. You can kill prostitutes and take their money because you can do the same to anybody in the game world. You could argue that it's exploitive because all of the violence in GTA is exploitive but it's not targeted at sex workers.

It's just frustrating that this woman is misinformed. And to those saying that sex workers are committing a crime I would like you to consider that the underground sex trade forces a huge number of young women into violent prostitution and they have almost no recourse. If you consider a 16 year old girl who's been lured out of her Eastern European village with dreams of making a modest living working at a restaurant in the US but is then beaten, raped and forced into prostitution a criminal rather then a victim then you have serious problems.

If only we could stop those big box stores from selling GTA to kids than we could end violence against sex trade workers!

"Sex workers?" Oi, vey, the whole political correctness thing has just gotten out of hand. Legal or illegal, a prostitute is a prostitute and there's nothing wrong with the word.

I would also like to point out that prostitution is quite probably the "world's oldest profession" - it has been with us since the beginning of recorded history and in many cultures, for a very long time, was considered quite respectable - even desirable. It is western Judeo/Christian values that have demonized it and made it immoral.

@Samson Effect

Well the article was from the Toronto Sun. I'd be referring to Canadian law.

No one in Thailand cares about violent video games.. so its fairly irrelevant who you talk to or where on this topic.

Won't someone please think of the hookers?!

@vellocet

Isn't that what you're doing?

I don't think anyone goes into that 'industry' because they want to. I don't know for sure but I would bet that there would have had to have been very bad alternatives for that choice to be made.

That said, none of these people deserves to be assaulted. I believe the speaker is saying that although it is a job risk - there tends to be some glamorization or at least acceptance of violence towards prostitutes. It could be that the mention of GTA was an example of this acceptance.

Judging from some of the comments above, I think she is right. This is a bit of a hot topic in Canada as there is an ongoing trial for a criminal who is accused of killing some 25 prostitutes and feeding them to his pigs. Pretty gruesome stuff. He has been handed 5 or 6 life sentences so far and the trial is continuing.

From what I can find, Robert Pickton has NOT received life sentences for the 6 women he's been found guilty of murdering - he's been convicted of 2nd degree murder (WHY I cannot find out, but it's astounding) and will be eligible for parole in 25 years. However, it seems they are going to try him on another 20 murders beginning in January, and hopefully he will be convicted of 1st degree murder on one or more of those.

As others have said, flouting that "1991 and 2004, 171 female sex workers were murdered in Canada" figure and blaming video games is rather silly given that one creepy (and most likely technologically illiterate) old farmer was responsible for almost 50 of those.

However, that case alone indicates that violence against sex workers [i]is[/i] a problem, even if video games are not to blame. I'm not sure what the solution is, but it would probably help if the government would stop treating them like criminals and/or ignoring them in the hopes that they'll go away. As I understand it, prostitutes are unlikely to report a lot of the violence done to them, and the police are unlikely to care, so... that creates a very bad situation that violent folks like Pickton are well aware of.

@Hannah

So.. any suggestions that'll never work?

@BlackIce, Dragunov Marksman:

I don't know. I won't pretend to be an expert on these things... but if I was in charge, I'd probably just look at other countries, see where prostitutes suffer the least violence, and try to copy whatever they're doing (assuming that human rights don't need to be violated in the process).
 
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