New York Guv’s Game Scare Presentation Cites Hoax Site as “Resource”

In New York, efforts to legislate video game sales have bogged down in the wake of bitter political infighting between Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D) and State Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno (R).

While the legislative effort remains stalled, the New York Department of Criminal Justice (!) has produced a 20-minute slide show which, in addition to offering some good advice to parents, dredges up a number of sensationalized stories, presents at least one outright fallacy, and cites a well-known Internet hoax site as a parental resource. 

As reported by the Staten Island Advance, Gov. Spitzer unveiled Video Games and Children: Virtual Playground vs. Danger Zone yesterday, accompanied by representatives from the state’s Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS). Said Spitzer of the 20-minute presentation:

Protecting our children from violent video games that contain adult themes is a key priority for my administration. I commend the staff of the DCJS and Commissioner Denise O’Donnell for taking a leadership role in this effort by reaching out to parents and educators to engage them in this important dialogue. This presentation gives parents and educators the information they need to make smart decisions about the games their children play.

While the presentation offers some wothwhile – if standard – advice about ratings and other parental issues, it quickly devolves into sensationalism. V-Tech Rampage, for example, gets prominent mention early in the presentation. For those who may not recall that sorry episode, V-Tech Rampage was a crude, non-commercial game created and posted online by an apparently troubled young man from Australia who gained his 15 minutes of fame by exploiting the Virginia Tech massacre. What does it have to do with parents making video game choices for their children?

The presentation also includes clips from a well-known Australian TV video of a supposed teenage World of Warcraft addict. There is also an ominous mention of an unnamed 13-year-old Chinese lad who is said to have thrown himself from the roof of a building in an effort to join his video game heroes.

We were also troubled by the somewhat random selection of games presented as bad examples. For instance, the video makes much of Soldier of Fortune’s realistic body damage model. SoF, however, was released seven years ago. Relevance, please?

The presentation also mentions that Virginia Tech killer Seung Hui Cho was reportedly a player of Counter-strike. However, the Virginia Tech Review Panel’s report clearly states that no such evidence was found. The only game mentioned by the blue ribbon panel in relation to Cho is Sonic the Hedgehog.

First-person shooters are referred to as "killographic" games. Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is misstated as "Grand Theft San Andreas." How does one botch what is probably – thanks to Hot Coffee – the most infamous game title of all time?

And, as the presentation ends, a resource page lists Mothers Against Videogame Addiction and Violence as one of several places where parents can go for additional information. 


MAVAV is a well-documented hoax site, created, ironically, by a student from a New York City design school.

In the end, poor research makes Gov. Spitzer’s well-intentioned video look amateurish and out of touch.

UPDATE: Albany’s WNYT-13 has a report on the release of the New York video.

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    […] Il y a quelques semaines, le Département de Justice Criminelle de l’état de New York, sous la houlette du gouverneur Eliot Spitzer (qui avait récemment essayé de faire passer sa propre loi), a publié une présentation vidéo de 20 minutes destinée à éduquer les parents sur les dangers potentiels des “jeux violents”. Comme GamePolitics en a déjà parlé, en listant les nombreuses erreurs et incohérences qui font de cette vidéo un véritable bêtisier, je ne m’étendrai pas trop là-dessus. Pas plus que je ne m’étendrai sur le fait que cette présentation avait initialement cité en référence un site satirique parodiant les pires inepties anti-jeux, avant qu’une nouvelle version de la vidéo ne soit proposée sans cette référence. Cela dit, quand on voit que ce site satirique, aussi outrancier soit-il, a pendant un temps été considéré comme une source d’information sérieuse par les auteurs de cette présentation, ça vous donne une indication sur leur perception du jeu vidéo. Justement, j’y viens. […]

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    Demon says:


    Im not going to get into it because I have a flight to catch, so I’ll say this: Read my lines and posts after the line “they aren’t supposed to see rated-R movies…” That explains my point. You seem to be skipping all of that.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Your statement of “They aren’t supposed to watch rated R movies– they shouldn’t be allowed to play rated M games.” seems to imply that there is something more to the MPAA that you do not think the ESRB has in regards to self regulation. But the “they aren’t supposed to watch R rated movies” is sort of a moot point when you realized that it is so amazingly easy for a minor to get their hands on an R rated movie.

    So just what point where you trying to make? That there should be an ESRB? Because, there is. So just what were you trying to say?

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    MasterAssassin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This presentation is so full of holes, that one would wonder why anyone would take it seriously. SOF? Your 7 years late moron unless your talking about the recent SOF:Payback but I don’t think that was the game mentioned. And I honestly cannot believe that people are still pushing this VA Tech bullshit. He was not a gamer and the pannel even investigated that. Stop pushing that crap.

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    Demon says:

    Here is the real problem with the violent game & regulation argument– games are a new medium, especially compared to film, TV, and (lest we forget) literature. Rather, games are really only recently a mainstream medium. Adults, on a whole, don’t think of GTA when they hear the words “video game,” they’re more likely to think of Pac-Man or even Pong. “What could be wrong with my kids playing that?” they ask. So all this fear and ambulance chasing and game-blaming when kids get violent is a knee-jerk reaction to a relatively new problem for our society. But when you really look at it, it’s not such a new problem after all, just a new focus. This same knee-jerk reaction occurred with films 40 years ago, and the MPAA adopted their own rating system. A similar knee-jerk reaction occurred with music almost 20 years ago when the “Parental Advisory” stickers started showing up on CDs.

    The difference between games and the rest of them is that with time, people had (or should have) become educated on the ratings systems for movies and the advisories for music, so most parents know not to let their kids get an R-rated DVD (once again, whether the kids actually do or not falls on the shoulders of the parents and retailers).

    So the solution isn’t to coldcock the masses with fear-speech and propaganda, but to educated them in a civilized and respectful manner.

    What really gets to me is that this whole time, we are seeing absolute garbage from the government about how to kill the game industry’s freedoms as artists because we are “too violent” and “affecting the kids” and all this crap. Where are the commercials explaining game ratings from the ESRB? Why are we seeing all kinds of holiday commercials for electronics and games and all this crap, and not ONE thing attempting to educate parents about the simple means to regulate their kids’ game playing? Well, there is one video, but it seems to think that kids get fat from playing games, not from eating McDonald’s.

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    Demon says:

    NEWSFLASH, Erik:

    The Games Industry has ALREADY adopted a ratings system similar to that of the film industry’s– it’s called the ESRB. It is a self-regulated system, applied voluntarily so PARENTS and RETAILERS can better decide what is appropriate for minors to play. Just like the MPAA’s system, the ratings are not enforced by law– and shouldn’t be. I never said they should– What I DID say, and you seem to ignore, is that the games industry should not be held responsible for the negligence of those allowing minors to play games they shouldn’t be playing– i.e. their PARENTS and the RETAILERS.

    Nor did I EVER say the MPAA system is more effective. I only used the MPAA system as an example of REGULATION. Here, let me make it more relevant for you, since you seem to be such a stickler about it:

    EC– Early Childhood (educational games)
    E– everyone can play, mild cartoon violence, if any at all
    E10– mild violence, a little blood maybe, kids under 10 maybe not
    T– for teens. Content unsuitable for kids under 13
    M– under 17 shouldn’t play without parents’ consent.

    I could go on, but I hope you read this thoroughly enough to get my point.

    If anything, the ESRB system is far more thorough than the MPAA film ratings. The problem (with both) is that retailers and parents are not enforcing it, either because they don’t know or don’t care (or both).

    Now to tie this stupid argument back into the point of the original article:

    That was the major message of the video in the first place: educate parents and others on the ratings system and what content makes a game violent. The methods used to educate them were laughable, at best.

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    HTTenrai says:

    “Imagine a young child playing games this violent for more than 13 hours per week. What kind of effect do you think it would have on a child?”

    It makes you fat and pacifist. I’m a living example. I was born and bred on Duke Nukem, Doom, Wolfenstein, Killer Instinct, Mortal Kombat, and Bloodstorm. I’ve only been in two fights in my life…and yeah, I’m a biggun.

    Aside from that, however, these people are stirring up the video game equivalent of Reefer Madness, and I’m not laughing, because uninformed people will jump at the first information they hear, and it’s usually the wrong kind. That leads to poor assumptions and conclusion jumping, and then our freedoms start being whittled away over trivial issues.

    What really gets me, though, is that the government, in its bloodthirsty, righteous rampage didn’t bother to fact-check its sources, but what saddens me at the same time is that none of the people this message is geared toward will ever find out that they mistakenly cited MAVAV, showing what outright sensationalist, tunnel-visioned, quick-to-jump jackasses they are. No one will appreciate that they used a hoax to rig their platform, and they will just swallow this swill whole because it makes them feel righteous and proud.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Okay, so if you think that the movie industry’s self regulation is oh so much more effective than the game industry then why are minors only able to buy M rated games 42% of the time but then able to buy R rated movies 80% of the time.

    It seems to me that the movie industry should tailor their regulation to the video game industry’s and not the other way around as you so think.

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    Demon says:


    I never said they weren’t getting into the movies, I said they aren’t SUPPOSED to be able to. Once again, the industry creating the content should not be held responsible for the negligence of the parents and the movie houses (or stores in the case of games).


    So a ratings board that the industry caters to and tailors their content to accomodate it is not a form of regulation? I never said GOVERNMENT regulation– but regulation by definition is a system by which to standardize or make regular– in the case of a ratings system (as in movies) Rated R films have only a certain amount of blood/violence/etc, PG-13 less so, PG far less if at all… Regulation doesn’t necessitate law.

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    Monkey Face says:

    did you see my little timmy at the start of that video? isnt he a little angel? i bought him Gta because he said it was swell and rated M for most awsome thing ever and he could never lie i obviously dont give a shit about what my child does whether he’s killing whores or police officers its all ok with me

    Listen up people if you watched the slideshow you saw that kid was 6 yrs old…max his parent got him that game he didnt walk to bestbuy magicly make $60 and then convince a store clerk to sell it to him his mom and or dad waltzed on in and picked it up for him

    oh and when they can use examples from a real game(made by the corporations their sueing) thats isnt Gta then i might give them a couple of seconds to voice their opinion before i just start laughing

    Whats this? their picking on halo? thats one of tamest first person shooter out their…

    notice how in their precentage groups they dont say what ages…they just say kids meaning 17 and down who wants to bet that they asked a bunch of 17yr old gamers lol

    then they snap at WoW? wow has a fucking parental control feature right out in front which give you 100% control of what times they can get on…how much more do you idiots want?

    favoite quote =”whats is violent? What effect does violent games have on children” …..and your the ones saying were stupid? what effect do…do! not does.

    compairing video games to smoking…hmm 1 kills you and everyone around you one=easy going activity

    playing video games makes you think the world we live in is dangerous and crime ridden…..uh…hm…er…it is, are you out of your minds?

    and that too much screen time too much kid thing at the end was just plain mean not to us..but to fat people lol wtf? changing horses mid stream much?

    well i guess thatts enough for now lol

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    […] Originally reported by the Staten Island Advance, GamePolitics breaks down the slide show piece by piece. GP says that the non-commercial V-Tech Rampage — actually created by an Australian — gets prominent mention; the presentation also includes a sensationalist clip from Australian television of a teenage World of Warcraft addict. Neither example serve to assist parents in making game purchasing decisions for children based on ratings. There are many more issues with the presentation, but it culminates with a resource page listing Mothers Against Videogame Addiction and Violence — only problem is that MAVAV is a hoax site created by a student from a New York City school. So take heart, governor, video games can’t be all bad. They’re at least making kids smart enough to fool politicians. […]

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    /. says:

    >There is also an ominous mention of an unnamed 13-year-old Chinese lad who is said to have thrown himself from the roof of a building in an effort to join his video game heroes.

    i think it refers to Animatrix scene where kid leaves the matrix by throwing himself from the roof of his school (an animation, not a videogame).

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “I completely agree– my thoughts on regulation are more in line with film regulations”

    So you also think there should be no regulation on games, as movie regulations DON’T EXIST.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “Do some of you honestly believe there shouldn’t be a regulation on games? I in no way agree with the notion of banning sex & violence in games, but it does disgust me to hear 11 year olds talk about how much they love f**king prostitutes then killing them in GTA. They aren’t supposed to watch rated R movies– they shouldn’t be allowed to play rated M games.”

    Yes, most uf us honestly believe that there shouldn’t be a regulation on games, just as there is not a regulation on movies. You do know there is no regulation on movies right?

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    aspeaker says:

    “Do some of you honestly believe there shouldn’t be a regulation on games? I in no way agree with the notion of banning sex & violence in games, but it does disgust me to hear 11 year olds talk about how much they love f**king prostitutes then killing them in GTA. They aren’t supposed to watch rated R movies– they shouldn’t be allowed to play rated M games. If they are doing so, it should fall on the parents’ heads as well as the companies directly selling these kids access to the media (i.e. stores/ blockbuster/ whatever). Game developers should NOT be held responsible for the actions of others, nor should they be punished for the irresponsible and uneducated decisions made by some parents…”

    I hope you realise that RIGHT NOW it is far far EASIER for a LITTLE KID to get an R rated or Unrated movie then an M rated game???

    Which is the real problem with the game violence debate… Why is there one??? One would think that the focus should be on what is easier to get…

    The game industry is not selling games to kids, they created the rating system of their own free will to make certain of that… Major store chains ARE so why should the debate attack the industry that is NOT responsible???? I don’t see anyone blaming best buy for kids playing Manhunt 2, they blame rockstar which is ridiculous…

    It would be like blaming the makers of hostel for wallmart selling an unrated edition to some kid…

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    That_1_Guy says:

    Nothing new. That whole part with would you want your child to play this? Of course I knew it was Hitman and I wouldn’t let my child (if I had one) play that or GTA or any other M rated until I deemed that they are mature enough. That is what a responsible parent would do.

    As a side note did any notice that when discussing the ESRB ratings that they put the E rating on the same slide as the M rating?

    @ EZK

    Yeah what the hell was that at the end. Something to demonstrate addiction? Really you think mentioning an ill minded person killing themselves to ‘join’ their videogame heroes was enough. Would any sane man do that?

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    Yuki says:

    Again, I continue to be handed more and more Justification for my proposal that the industry sue the fucking pant of anyone who doesn’t due there research and Guv spitzer just won the fucking prize in that catagory.

    If the industry was smart they would demand a national public apology right now and threaten a massive lawsuit if he didn’t comply.

    You all think i’m an extremeist. Guess what, looks like Spitzer proved me right!

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Once again Elliot Shitzer shows just how big of a fucktard he really is, along with every other New York politician.

    I use to be against swearing, at least explicitly, on here but I just can’t take it anymore. If this was 150 years ago they’d be taken out into the streets and lynched by angry mobs for their incompetence. Or at least forced from office.

    Goddamn this country has gotten soft. Especially over the last 40-50 years.

    /facepalm, smacking head into his desk repeatedly.

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    DarkTetsuya ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @broken scope:

    well pick up the nearest one and type in ‘80085’. See? Even calculators promote pornography!

    Though on a more serious note, I’m still trying to figure out how he trained to kill on Sonic the Hedgehog. Unless they meant Shadow the Hedgehog, but then that wasn’t a very good game.

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    squezey says:

    ok I have fully watched the video in the link. and I also truly believe I lost thousands of brain cells watching it due to the facts that

    1. holy crap so many steriotypes I almost cried

    2. it was so dramatic (see the first part where the kid was talking about the video game)

    2b. wow I wonder what game that was? To me it didn’t even sound Grand Theft Auto it sounded more like some that would be titled MEGA HELL DEATH CHALLENGE PART ! : DISCRIMINATE AND DESTROY!!!1!!!

    3. After a while I lost count of how many lies I heard in this video too. It was just horrible.

    Also after watching I got some thoughts like “what I just watched,……was this some kinda parody or serious? O_O; ” but the part at the end did make me laugh a bit.

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    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ EZK

    I’m with you in hoping (fervently) that those comics on MAVAV are part of the hoax, casue if not, some games are as bad as these ignorant politicians =S

    Also could you post a link to the Staten Island Advance article thingy. I had a quick look but I couldn’t find it.

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    FlyinM_X ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    God help me… I feel like I know less about video games after watching that tripe.

    I couldn’t help but laugh when I heard the resources section though. I never heard of that site before myself, but it is either very believable, or people are just stupid.

    I’m confident that the WoW interview was fake, there is no way that could be true.

    Also, why don’t they talk about more um, ya know, RECENT games. MKII? Thrill Kill (never even released)?? Soldier of fortune 1??? Bully is already over a year old too, ya know. And San Andreas isn’t an AO game in itself, only the pre-hot coffee ones are.

    Overall, an unprofessional and poorly researched piece of garbage. Can I have my 20 minutes back, please???????

    I want that time back so I can go play a “killographic” game instead.

    *In a dumb, stiff voice like in the presentation*

    For example:Doom
    Wolfenstein 3d
    Soldier of fortune

    *breaks free*

    Oh crap, its gotten into my head. Save yourselves!!! Don’t watch this!!!

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    Demon says:

    @ EZK:

    you’re right, on a whole, people weren’t looking at it as such. I did read a couple comments to that effect, though, so I felt the need to mention it. Once again, sorry I was misleading :(

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    Demon says:

    @ Tony Selby:

    I completely agree– my thoughts on regulation are more in line with film regulations– thus my comparison to rated R films. I would’ve elaborated more, but my post was long enough already :)


    Once again, I whole-heartedly agree with you. The misinformation is absolutely unacceptable, especially on such an important topic. I could have elaborated more, but after reading some of this article’s comments, I felt that people were looking at the video as a call to ban violent games and only make educational ones. Sorry I was misleading in my previous post.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ Broken scope

    That is something that always seems to be missing. My guess is that it is in the high 30s to the low 40s.

    @ Demon

    I don’t think anyone is really arguing against the message of the video, just the presentation.

    You could tell people to stop smoking because tests have shown an increased risk of getting lung cancer. Or you could tell people to stop smoking because if you don’t aliens are going to abduct you and eat you as a jerky treat.

    Which is the better presentation to get the message of stop smoking out there? Which one is more believable?

    What we are getting at is that the governor regardless of his noble intention is basically enciting panic in the populous, when all he has to do is tell people there are ratings on the games and to read and follow them.

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    Saint13 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Using fear to “educate” is not a valid tactic and shouldn’t be encouraged, no matter how long and hard people want to argue that the end justifies the means. Telling people (in so many words) that allowing your children to play videogames makes them fat, violent, foul-mouthed killers is not responsible education. Misinforming the public (here is a respectable source Web site, that horrible Cho person played these games, etc.) to press your point is not acceptable. There may indeed be some good information and advice mixed in with the sensationalism, but if the good information and advice IS good information and advice, why the sensationalism and misinformation? Why couldn’t they have produced thoughtful, well-informed pieces that stay away from the hate and simply do what they claim to- educate? You (or at least, I) can’t let something like this go simply because there are some good points along with the bad. Is it ok to nuke a neighborhood because there was one serial killer living there? Politicians, government agencies and the like MUST be pushed to provide accurate, fair, and reasonable information to the public. Not doing so is tantamount to giving our permission to feed us garbage without restraint.

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    i do honestly believe there should be no regulation on games (that is not self imposed), the problem with adding a government regulation is the fact that it’s blatently unconstitutional to give weight of law behind the ESRB (can’t give governmental power to a private organization) and to regulate it without using the ESRB means having to actually define what violence is and is not acceptable, which leads to exceedingly vague language that can result in just about any game being deemed too violent depending on how you look at it

    should the later (which is the most likely to happen as i doubt they are going to change the constitution for this) the chilling effect on the gaming industry would be horrendous, in the sense that developers would be so afraid of being taken to court over cartoon violence that many games would end up being horribly self censured to the point of being ridiculous

    i agree that 11 year olds should not be playing GTA, but that is a decision that is up to each individual parent, and the fact that a child could go into a store and possibly buy the game (assuming he manages to get a ride to get down there and has the $50-$60 burning a hole in his pocket) the doesn’t mean that the parent is incapable of stoping him from playing the game, as the parents can always turn off the console and take the game away if they don’t approve of the content

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    broken scope ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Aye, I’ve seen all of those before, i’ve read that before. However they never once show us the actual MEDIAN age, not the MEAN the median.

    The age that separates the top half of the population from the lower half.

    It is somewhere between the 18 and 49 years.

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    Demon says:

    @ the article:

    If you’re going to dispute SoF’s relevance due to the game’s 2000 release date, why not reference the Death Race 2000’s relevance? Or Mortal Kombat II’s relevance? Those are much older games than Soldier of Fortune…

    Because the slideshow (as misinformed as it was in most instances) was showing a timeline of the evolution of violent games, and SoF being a VERY violent game for it’s time, was completely relevant to the topic being discussed.

    And while the video certainly had its glaring faults (sensationalism, staged interviews with “child gamers” etc) I see the overall point of it. I fail to see how the rest of you don’t. The point I got from the video is that there ARE violent video games (true statement, albeit an obvious one) and there is info parents need to know in order to better regulate their children’s gaming habits (also a true statement, although a lot of people are completely ignorant to that fact).

    In no way did I see this as a call to ban violent video games– just a call to parents to be more proactive in their children’s lives, although the misinformation stated within is certainly detrimental when you consider what could happen when ignorant people get a hold of it…

    Do some of you honestly believe there shouldn’t be a regulation on games? I in no way agree with the notion of banning sex & violence in games, but it does disgust me to hear 11 year olds talk about how much they love f**king prostitutes then killing them in GTA. They aren’t supposed to watch rated R movies– they shouldn’t be allowed to play rated M games. If they are doing so, it should fall on the parents’ heads as well as the companies directly selling these kids access to the media (i.e. stores/ blockbuster/ whatever). Game developers should NOT be held responsible for the actions of others, nor should they be punished for the irresponsible and uneducated decisions made by some parents…

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    vellocet says:

    @ GoodTimeToBeAnonymous

    Ah… I knew there was a reason I never played it.

    See people? That’s what you do when you don’t like a game. YOU DON’T PLAY IT. If you don’t want your kids playing it… DON’T BUY IT FOR THEM and DON’T GIVE THEM THE MONEY TO BUY IT.

    And if they’re still playing it under your noses… become a better parent – that’s YOUR job, not the government’s.

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    BmK ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If I was a New York state resident, i’d be pissed that my tax money was wasted on this shit. Eliot Spitzer is just another jackass moron Governor like Blagojevich and his anti-gaming campaign will fail just like his did, wasting even more taxpayers money in the process. New York voters need to kick this dip shit out in the next election.

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    Shaesyco ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What a major piece of garbage. They only want video games to be educational. Why can’t they leave things alone. The part with the kid seems so staged its laughable.

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    Bongotezz says:

    “In the end, poor research makes Gov. Spitzer’s well-intentioned video look amateurish and out of touch. ” is an understatement. it makes him look like a total baffoon.

    “Protecting our children from violent video games that contain adult themes is a key priority for my administration.”

    and how is he planning on micromanaging 1 million+ households? does he plan on doing the same thing for movies,TV,books, magazines, comic books and all forms of media? maybe he can create a total media blackout with his power. maybe everything should be approved by the government before it can be published. maybe we can raise taxes to cover this totalitarian government… or maybe parents can take responsibility for their own children. i’m so glad i vote for myself every year so i’m not responsible for electing these jackasses.

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    GoodTimeToBeAnonymous says:


    Postal 2

    I, uh, may have doused a whole marching band in gasoline once and tossed a match. I may have also used gas to set fires @ the exits in a dance club then fired a gun over the heads of the dancers, sparking a panic flight out of the building.

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    vellocet says:

    What game is that kid describing at the beginning of the video?

    I want to play it 😀 … As far as I know it’s purely fiction. There is no “difficult to kill prostitute” nor “Police man wearing body armor so you can’t shoot him”. And I have not yet to see a game where you can pour gasoline on someone. In ANY game.

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    Gameboy says:

    This whole thing is sad. There are so many problems with this.. presentation that it’d take longer to explain all the problems than they put into making it.

    How can they ignore the Virginia Tech review board’s findings? If you’re going to cite an event, it would be wise to research what actually happened.

    While MAVAV is a great hoax, I didn’t think it would be viewed as real by anyone who actually looked at it. I though politicians hired people smarter than them to look into this kind of thing.

    I don’t care if this was ignorance or malicious intent, neither is an excuse, merely an explanation. I hope Gov. Spitzer’s term is nearly up. If he could screw up a Public Service Announcement, I’m afraid what he could do with something important.

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    Yorick says:

    Take it from a (western) New yorker: what else can be expected from a man who also thought it would be a good idea to allow illegal immigrants to have drivers licenses?

    A lot of us would like to believe the fantasy that an elected official, at whatever level, is a person who is somewhat intelligent, self-aware, and responsible, but this is typically not the case. Government is no different than any other scenario where a collection of people is concerned, be it another industry, such as retail, or even the high school lunch room. You are always going to have your diva, gossiper, sycophant, slacker, scoundrel, whore, and the random, occasional do-gooder…

    (Spitzer is probably the guy who “tattled” on another student in order to gain favor with the faculty. Subsequently, he probably had cookies thrown at his head in the cafeteria.)

    A such, most of these people find themselves quagmired in finding the happy medium between enforcing a personal agenda and satisfying his or her constituents/special interests. And since something like the “War On Drugs” – being a battle against illegal (read “non-rule following”) adversaries – is too difficult to manage, it becomes much simpler – albeit lazier – to go after the easy targets like game publishers, tobacco companies, record producers, and so on. An established, legal, entity of commerce can’t just jump in a fast-moving boat and elude coast guard patrols – it has to endure this constant assault that’s weakly disguised as social concern…

    There are those of us who are proactive and self-aware. We read information provided by sites such as this one. We do research before making consumer decisions. We are responsible about our children’s upbringing and we maintain some modicum of confidence regarding our decisions about what we do and what we are exposed to. But, unfortunately, we are outnumbered by those who are dim-witted enough to believe the very first thing they read on a particular issue – and are likewise easily deluded by “statistical skullduggery.”

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go play some Call Of Duty 4 while I listen to Judas Priest and eat something that’s high in carbs.

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    Rigor Mortis says:

    This is beyond ignorance. This is stupidity, irresponsibility, and bigotry. Would that I could change the world by posting on a blog!

    Thanks to tardbags like these, I am quickly learning that when our machine overlords finally arrive just like them sci-fi movies promise, it will be a day for celebration. Praise Xorklax.

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    Pixelantes Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m watching the video now.

    Jesus F***ing Christ! I haven’t seen a hit job like that even in the attack ads of politicians.

    This thing is completely ridiculous.

    I really don’t know if I should laugh or cry. It’s just incredible.

    I think I am going to go the closest police station now and give myself in. I’m a gamer, after all, and therefore a danger to society at large. Governor Spitzer says so.

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    jerros says:

    When most people think “Video Game Rating Regulation” they typically don’t think of the other types of things that the goverment has regulated such as Cigarettes and Alchol.

    Would you like to be arrested for contributing to the deliquency of a minor for buying GTA Vice city for your 17 year old kid? Or would you like to see the new sales clerk get arrested for allowing you to purchase the video game for your child?

    It’s too easy to prey on a parents desire to protect their children from harm to push your own political agenda. Look at Hillary Clinton & Joe Leiberman.

    But time after time these lawsuits, and attempts at regulation are shot down. It’s good to know that people aren’t as stupid as politicians would like to think. The politicians on the other hand….well they are pretty stupid.

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    vellocet says:

    @ Twin-Skies

    That fly thing is a perfect analogy. It seems to be human nature as well though (I know I’ve been guilty of it too). We are so certain that the way we are approaching things is correct that even if it’s not working we just do the same thing harder.

    It’s like trying to bang your head against the wall to get through it. If you bang hard enough you just might get through, a lot worse for wear. But sometimes if you step back, there just might be a door three feet down.

    Sadly, for politicians, banging your head against the wall is all about using money (the taxpayers) and using underhanded tactics. Even more sadly, do these hard enough and you often achieve what you want regardless (especially if corporations and such are financing you as well).

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    vellocet says:


    I actually think it’s the other way around. Probably for people like JT as well.

    They think they are right (even though their position is based purely on ignorant “belief” about something they know nothing about). Then they’re proven wrong (because they have no idea what they’re talking about). They get angry because they’re wrong, and maliciously strike back because there’s no possible way that their “belief” could be wrong regardless of what the facts are.

    Please don’t take any of this as an attack on religion or whatever, it’s more of an attack on close mindedness and rigidity of thought.

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    Benji says:

    @Vellocet: Perhaps it’s good to not confuse ignorance with malice. But, Spitzer has previously shown that he wants to regulate video games. Perhaps in this case it is his ignorance born out of his malice?

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    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    You don’t need a license to be come a reporter either, at least where I come from. Then again, we have enough professionals with sound judgement who are quick to hunt down any hack journalism.

    We police our own – I don’t see that happening as much among politicians.

    “They are sadly just doing what politicians do. Instead of trying something new (i.e. learning and educating), they just do the wrong thing harder.”

    I don’t know why, but I keep thinking of a fly that continously slams itself into a glass window in a futile effor to get to the other side.

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    vellocet says:

    I believe the Gov thinks he’s reporting facts.

    Do not confused ignorance with malice. These people have no understanding of games whatsoever. That’s why they’re trying to regulate them. Games scare the crap out of them because of their meteoric rise in popularity. A phenomenon that they we not a part of. Instead of trying to learn about them, “older” people fight them tooth and nail hoping to regain control.

    Those who HAVE taken the time to learn about them properly recommend following the ESRB ratings and such (as a few politicians have started to do). But those who haven’t are now FURTHER being left in the dust by their colleagues and constituents.

    “In the end, poor research makes Gov. Spitzer’s well-intentioned video look amateurish and out of touch.”

    Absolutely, because the creators of the video ARE out of touch. They are sadly just doing what politicians do. Instead of trying something new (i.e. learning and educating), they just do the wrong thing harder.

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    Pixelantes Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As a New York State resident I’m getting increasingly tired of Spitzer.

    He’s become a full-blown sputz(er) since elected into office. He’s pandering left and right, abusing his office powers for political gain and just being a general dickwad.

    Good thing elected officials have terms. I’m just hoping he doesn’t pull a few pork projects over the eyes of New York State voters just before the next election.

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I did, and the Governor of NY is helping to back that idea. :/

    Toll has a thing about wanting to license Parents. I say license politicians too. You have to have one to be a lawyer and doctor. Why not a politician?

    NW2K Software

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    Buckeye531 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Politicians going this low just scares the hell out of me. Not only are they decieving the unknowing public and taking advantage of single parents, but they are using a hoax site to get an unconstitutional law passed and draining the tax dollars of those citizens.

    In a post to another story, another GP poster said that politicians should take an exam on an issue in order to legislate in favor of the thing or against it (I don’t know exactly who said that). I fully agree with the idea.

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    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I just love it when politicians try so hard to make themselves look like complete idiots without even realizing it.

    Seriously, we’re paying tax money to see garbage like this?

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    Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That’s awesome, I can see it now they will keep reproducing false hoods about Cho being a gamer that way in ten years people will just accept the false hood as fact and have one more reason to be up in arms over violent games.

    Ah yes, nothing like our media system to keep spinning lies in the hopes that people will accept them as fact.

    Oh and the mother against videogame addiction and violence is priceless they should have cited cracked and the onion while they were at it.

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    Soldatlouis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @E. Zachary Knight :

    Good jib ! But it’s not Andrew Lanza’s video : it’s Eliot Spitzer’s video. Or, more precisely, a video created by the Missing and Exploited Children Clearinghouse (MECC) depending from his Division of Criminal Justices Services (DCJS).

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    broken scope ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    oh heres something from their site

    It is highly recommend that a teens bedroom be absent of all forms of electronic devices: personal computers, printers, video game console systems, television sets, cellular telephones, clock-radios, battery recharger’s, and calculators.


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    shadowmurk says:

    hell I am not a New Yorker and I am embarassed byhtis press release because the rest of the world sees us as one country so someone visiting New York reads this release and thinks that it applies to the whole U.S. and dont put it past them everyone has seen just how dense people can be

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    Dorkmaster Flek says:

    I can’t believe how utterly clueless these people are. Well…no, I can believe it, I just didn’t want to. 😛 If I was a New Yorker, I would be embarrassed by this press release. If I were you guys, I’d be calling my Governor’s office and raising hell. This makes NY look foolish, and these politicians idiotic.

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    Waffles ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @E. Zachary Knight:

    And this also shows just how out of touch these guys are with whats going on in the world around them (or maybe they just like it like that…):

    “The presentation also mentions that Virginia Tech killer Seung Hui Cho was reportedly a player of Counter-strike. “

    Instant fail. I agree that we really need to take this faulty report to the media.

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    DarrelBT says:

    MAVAV has been proven to be a hoax. The Creator himself admitted it. The fact that it DOESN’T look like a spoof site mens that the creator has suceeded, since his assignment was to make a believable website.

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    Cheeselikesceareal says:

    That reminds me of that time a Chinese news paper took an article from the Onion and claimed it to be real. It was about how the senate and the reps would leave if they didn’t get a new capital

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    Tony ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Doesn’t look like a spoof site to me – the lead story and the comments aren’t that different to what you would see on GP, just with a different bias.. I’ve seen worse. It might possibly have started that way but clearly isn’t now.

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