Colorado Teens Held for Murder, Said to be Imitating Mortal Kombat

In what is likely to become a black eye for the video game industry, a pair of Colorado teenagers face murder charges following the tragic death of a 7-year-old girl.

Lamar Roberts, 17, and Heather Trujillo, 16 (seen at left), told police they were babysitting Heather’s sister, Zoe Garcia earlier this month. According to the Rocky Mountain News, the three began acting out a version of Mortal Kombat.

Roberts, apparently drunk, kicked the litte girl. Heather Trujillo told police she “punched [Zoe] in the stomach, karate chopped her lower arms, punched and pinched the victim’s thighs, kicked her in the shins, slapped her stomach and buttocks and poked at the victim’s chest.”

GP: From the limited information available so far, it’s difficult to know whether Roberts and Trujillo actually played Mortal Kombat, or whether it is a generic reference to martial arts fighting. In either case, the linkage of the tragedy to the controversial game series is likely to further tarnish the image of the video game industry.

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    Chalts ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Damn the media. They do anything they can to sensationalize a story, even blame video games on the actions of two teenagers who are more than old enough to know not to kick a little girl around–just because the almighty dollar and the almighty agenda are more important than the facts.

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    JC says:

    What a horrible thing to hear about. This makes me worry greatly. After checking news articles, some things don’t add up properly. One reports he only hit her once and revived her by putting her in a bathtub. The other reports that she was hit a few times and didn’t get back up, then cracked an egg inside her mouth to see if she was “faking.”
    The egg went inside her, then they finally called for help.
    The father wasn’t a part of her life, he had no custody, but claims to have started procedures for it and is now suing Social Services for not acting on the signs that led to this.
    The mother left the daughter (no mention of the bf) to go work… typical.

    Neighbors loved the child, and always reported bruises and injuries they saw on her, and supposely Social Services never acted.
    This is not a video game issue, only sensationalists and our tinfoil people believe it is.

    Sadly, many news articles are passing this as the “Mortal kombat tragedy” or what have you.

    At least there seems to be confirmation that they’ll be tried as adults and looking at 18~43 years in prison. Although, I think they deserve several life sentences because abuse happened previously and that means they finally went overboard and killed the poor girl.
    The boy also claimed his hands as “lethal weapons” so that may be his excuse for “kicking” her in the neck/back whatever he hit that night. This is likely just him boasting that he’s strong or something, hopefully it does not defend him well from all the boyfriends he will have in prison.

    Must be very horrible to the father to feel he was about to set in motion the papers to gain custody only to have her vanish from the planet…

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I’ve played multiple games where you use a sword in combat, but I’m still no good at using a sword. You fail.

    Also, Mortal Kombat isn’t a device as a device can work on it’s own, Mortal Kombat, in either CD or in older cases cartridge form require you to to put it into a game console in order for the game to work. It won’t just project images to you via a hologram or electronic telepathy, and I’ve examined the interior of both consoles and cartridges, they contains no crystals or radio transmitters or anything that could even be considered a method of mind control.

    And again,it’s a FANTASY fighting game where characters can teleport, throw fire, transform, and make arcade machines fall fomr the sky.

    Double fail, you lose, thanks for playing.

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    Tim Kowalenko ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This is just wrong…

    Ordinarily I hate it when youths are portrayed negativley by the media
    (Example, a report on “Youth out of Control” focusing on teenagers going around at night causing problems and what have you, but all the evidence the network could muster were driveby handheld camera shots… of people talking outside of a house and similar)

    But this just makes me sick.
    You’ve got the two teens, many years under the legal drinking age (Which is 21 for Americans, yes?) who were obviously intoxicated past the point of rational thought and ended up killing a seven year old girl. In their drunken haze they obviously tried to quickly come up with some kind of cover story, which just happens to be an ancient video game that by todays standards is pretty tame.

    The media is also no help whatsoever with this whole issue. Instead of focusing on cold hard fact, like the intoxication, the boyfriend being over (which at this point im assuming was NOT cleared by a parent) and the girl being abused previously, they focus on a wild accusation with next to nothing to actually back it up.

    Jail time and being tried as adults is a must for this case. And unfortunatley for the boyfriend, what he’s done will make him really ‘popular’ around the prison.

    I honestly hope the Mortal Kombat defence is thrown out of court faster than a motion by Jack Thompson to add someone to the defence of any given court case

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    Monkey Face says:

    Hmm…16 and 17 and they were drunk
    Cough rape cough “slapped her stomach and buttocks and poked at the victim’s chest.” (when they say chest when talking about a female it means boobs,incase your stupid and didnt know that already)

    their obviously homicidal bindge drinking teens who are stupid enough to employ the whole gta made me do it dealioso

    lock um up for life and schedule dialy beatings from martial arts grand masters
    oh no their minors …if they think their old enough to drink then their old enough to rot in a cell

    isnt it sad what this world is comming to?

    Its time to try a new method with crime I call it…Tough Hate

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The real crime here is with the media. The original article was the one that completely WENT OFF on the Mortal Kombat angle ignoring the alcohol, abuse, and other criminal variables. Where is the journalistic accountability? Where has the Rocky Mountain News published an “oops” statement retracting that Mortal Kombat had anything to do with it?

    The FDA mandates that ingredients in anything sold must be listed by quantity relevance. So if you buy a bottle of water, water should be listed as the first ingredient. The news media should be under the same scrutiney since they’re all about “fact finding”. Alcohol, abuse, improper supervision, lacking parenting, and social services failure are all MORE RELEVANT and much more plausible for the cause of this tragedy. I’m very upset that a 7 year old has died at the hands of a bunch of idiots. However those who hold responsibility are the state for inaction on a civil level (child protective services) and the two trogladites who ended her life.

    The media wants to add a video game angle? FINE! Execution by Fatality.

    Ok I’m done…

    *packs up soap box*

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Jack Thompson, aka wizbang (yes, we [i]do[/i] know it’s you)

    Do you really have so few supporters left that you have to invent them now?

    EZK: wizbang shares the same IP as Hugh Hefner and William Panderlust. He is a LaRouchite.

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    Mnementh2230 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    looks like my math got cut off in point 3. We’ll try again.

    Video game MUCH LESS THAN stupidity ROUGHLY EQUAL TO alcohol.

    I needn’t say more.

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    Mnementh2230 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wizbang = the same retard we’ve seen here posting with the slashes before his quoteation marks.

    Ok, wizbang, you goddamn troll – here’s what’s wrong with your latest post:

    #1 – Mortal Kombat is not a device, it is a game. It is a game where people throw fireballs, among other things. It is a fantasy fighting game. How, exactly, does a fantasy fighting game where the player hits button combinations on either a game-pad or a keyboard teach someone to execute real-life attacks? The answer: it does not.

    Games cannot train you to fight, they cannot train you to drive, they cannot train you to shoot a gun. If games could train us this well, we’d all be football stars after playing the latest version of Madden. I’ve been training in Jeet Kun Do for about 6 years now, and there’s nothing a video game can teach you about martial arts. Bottom line: the kids were DRUNK, the parents were STUPID to appoint untrustworthy baby-sitters, and the entire situation is just sad.

    #2 – The police figured out a “Mortal Kombat” angle, but did they get this from interviewing the dumbass, drunk, irresponsable children who killed the 7 year old, or via some other method? In the end, the article is not informative enough on the topic, so you’re drawing conclusions from incomplete data… you’re making assumptions. If they got the info from the kids, you don’t even know if they’re telling the truth – they might be looking to blame the game to get off scott-free after watching an episode of Law and Order!

    #3 – Did you fail to read that the kids were DRUNK? Did you miss the part about the raw egg? HELLO! Video game

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    WarOtter ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Ed Orman
    >>Perhaps, years from now, you’ll remember what you wrote here and regret it. I hope so.

    Doubt it, I barely remember this morning let alone what I wrote on a message board years ago.

    Besides, if the 7 year old had been any good at MK, she totally should have been able to counter or at least block.

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    wizbang says:

    I think Mr. Paul Kerton, above, is probably correct. I think that the very name \”Colorado\” inspires people to want to see blood because it is so \”Color-ful\” and so is the state\’s name. Way to go, Paul! You figured it out!

    On the other hand, we can\’t possibly blame a device that teaches you how to kill people. No way! Paul, persuade a lawyer to bring a \”Colorado made me do it lawsuit.\” And by all means, get ready to criticize the police department that identified the role of the harmless game.


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    aspeaker says:

    So didn’t anyone else notice that the dead girl was KIDNAPPED by her mother and that there is an arrest warrant for the 30 year old mother for this kidnapping???

    mother 30 oldest daughter 16.

    teens drunk.

    pattern of abuse.

    mother gone for days at a time.

    and yet games are responsible for this horrible crime????

    this poor poor 7 year old girl, I feel terrible about the horrible things she went through!!!

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    aspeaker says:

    Sounds a bit more like the Sylvia Likens murder than mortal combat…
    there is a movie about it “An American Crime”… maybe they were immitating that…

    More to the point, It is terrible what happened to this little girl…

    I can’t believe the media is grabbing the mortal combat evil angle rather that little girl dead angle, I am ashamed of those heartless bastards…

    What this means shows or proves about games? Drunk drivers now have a new defence, GTA made me drive drunk and kill people…

    I think that if we ban martial arts and alchohol then we will prevent further such incidents, if ban games we will likely get a lot more since the drunk teens that spend their time playing games on a computer will have more time to spend babysitting…

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    Paul Kerton ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not to try and insult an entire state, but has anyone thought that the problem may actually lie within Colorado. How many killings have their been in Colorado that have been blamed on video games??

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Dammit Legion you beat me to it, I guess I should have started reading this and writing a couple hours ago when I opened this. But yeah, that’s almost echoing the Lionel Tate defense, WHICH WAS FOUND LATER TO BE UNTRUE and invented by the defense as Lionel Tate made no mention of prowrestling until later. Of course his hack attorney but made a video with the PTC which was used to slander the WWF/E and resulted in the PTC settling with WWE for a reported three million dollars. So Tate went to jail but the “out cry” over his conviction and ignoring the fact that his hack lawyer and mother didn’t accept his plea deal, got the courts to reverse the sentence. Of course, Tate while in custody showed the same aggressive signs he had shown even in school before he brutally murdered Tiffany Eunick and of course once he got released from jail, promptly got into more trouble and was sent right back.

    There is no way, NO WAY this “Mortal Kombat” defense/excuse should hold up, you know what, maybe unlike the Tate case, maybe the asshole who killed this kid was playing Mortal Kombat, but he and his moron girlfriend were seemingly intoxicated and completely inept and perhaps not mentally intact. But of course none of that matters because the media will do the same thing they did with the Tate case and pick up on the excuse while not bothering to look at the truth. Damn the Wiki page for Tate is seriously lacking…

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    Legion says:

    Ed Boon’s gotta be pissed.

    But getting to the real meat of the story, this case has strong echoes of the Lionel Tate case

    It’s even worse that underaged drinking is supposedly involved along with an alleged history of abuse. What a meaningless waste of a young life. I’m fucking physically ill. Wait 15 minutes AFTER SHE STOPS BREATHING? Put her in A FUCKING BATH AND CRACK A RAW EGG IN HER MOUTH TO SEE IF SHE’S FUCKING ALIVE? This is too fucking sad. Fuckin’ abominable.

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    Look, I’ve been pretty drunk before, and started when I was pretty young (not smart, don’t drink, and if you do, give your keys away), but how drunk do you have to be to attack a 7 year old? A 17 inch deep dish makes sense, but come on! What rock do these kids get raised under?

    Man, when I was that age, all I did when I drank beer was play Goldeneye or MarioKart all night and sleep all the next day. Isn’t that enough? When does beating on a 7 year old get fun? Sick.

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    Mrbig says:

    the latest MK game was MK Armageddon for the PS2 and it later game out for the Wii but that game out last year I think…. still this is a sad story no matter if it was because of a game or not

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    HurricaneJesus says:

    This should simply be treated as a sick killing by these two. Whatever they want to blame, the fact is they did this act which resulted in the death of a child. I don’t care if they were imitating jesus throwing people out of the temple(little jt bullshit there) and that was why it happened. The fact is that it DID happen, and they are responsible for their actions.

    Why did they have access to alcohol? Why was there a previous history of abuse? Why did the mother allow this? Did the mother abuse the child as well?

    These are the questions that need to be asked. It doesn’t matter what you imitate, if you are old enough to know what you are doing is wrong, then you are responsible. These two are fucking idiots and deserve to be put away.

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    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ White-haired Journalist

    In accordance with the ancient rules of the intertubes:

    MADNESS??? THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!11one

    As an actual answer though; video games are evil and corrupting, whereas if they reported eveycase of alcohol fueled murder they’d look like a phone directory/have no bandwith left for other scaremongering (whichever is more appropriate).

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    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Mredria

    The headline was “Teens follow game moves”. They say the moves came from the: “Mortal Kombat video game” (quoting a prosecutor), no mention of which one though.

    But its fair enough; I mean I remember repeatedley kicking younger siblings in the back while I was drunk in MK3.

    …oh wait… no I FUCKING don’t cause it never FUCKING happend *finishes venting*.

    Like I said they’re pretty biased.

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    Utterly Unexcusable! Since when did Scorpion had a “pinch the thigh” move or Liu Kang poking anyone’s chest? Now if the story said the suspects did a HIMBABALE!!!-ish move by Raiden, then I would maybe believe they immitated Mortal Kombat. Maybe.

    I’m with the people who pointed out the word “drunk.” How can anyone overlook THAT.

    This is madness.

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    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Anywho

    It made it all the way down to my corner of the world, our rag (the herald) had a short article about it in its world rap-up section.

    Funnily they didn’t mention alcohol, just MK, biased fuckers.

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    Anywho says:

    Fortunately, this story seems to have been drowned out in the TV news.

    TV’s been flooded with yet another pregnant Spears, yet another Peterson with a missing/dead wife, the other missing girl that’s now presumed murdered, that family that was found after three days in the snow, and some blue dude from Oregon.

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    Vinzent says:

    Why isn’t the bible more relevant in people’s lives today? Why would these drunk teenagers re-enact mortal kombat when they could re-enact the fall of Jericho! Come on kids! The Bible has a way bigger body count, plus it’s sanctioned by your local authorities!

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    Barly says:


    Excellent point. I’ll wait here, sharpening the pitchforks.

    On a related note, in the future should someone ever admit to killing a human being because a videogame inspired him to do it (and not a ridiculous fifteen year old game at that), do we believe him or instantly deny he ever said it and go snap at anyone who dares think otherwise?

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    Relique says:

    At least they didn’t blame it on Chuck Noris… cuz that would have really got him pissed.

    I hope they sentence the baby sitters to death… via face kick.

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    Steve Wiedman says:

    This has happened so many times with Teens imitating wrestling moves from the WWE and things like that. It being Mortal Kombat has absolutely NO relevance in the case; Unless someone got a spine ripped out. otherwise, All I see is a teen that should know better to wrestle with a 7- year old, and another teen who should know better then to get drunk around a kid!

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    Ghost Coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    MK alcohol…I just had the image of the tequilla with a scorpion in it pass through my mind. One question, how would they fit him in the bottle? And would sub-zero’s ever be anything but chilled?

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Ghost Coins

    Yeah I hear ya… What I was getting at is when does the partent become responsible for allowing all these lovely variables comingle? If the boyfriend did provide the beer then I completely agree the situation becomes very different.

    Bottom line this article needs more facts and less conjecture (kinda like JTs courtroom rebuttal this week in Arizona) *rimshot*

    Seriously though… The only fact that can be contrived from that story is that a 7 year old has been tragically killed and that more facts need to be brought up regarding the case.

    @ DarkTestsuya

    Haha! Suddenly Mortal Kombat liquor comes to mind. So many ideas on that so little time. 😀

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    anon says:

    “One neighbor said she suspected Zoe was being abused and said she reported it to authorities before she died.

    Rhonda Simonetti said she baby-sat Zoe and her twin sisters twice, for four days each time, when she noticed bruises on Zoe.

    “The first time I asked her, she said she fell down the stairs,” Simonetti said. “The second time, she started crying and said Lamar had been hitting her.”

    Simonetti said she took a day off to report the abuse but never heard back. “

    So there’s a history of violence with nothing done about it until the child’s death, and then it’s the fault of video games?

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    DeadEye says:

    Yeah. Let’s completely ignore the fact that these teens were drunk and blame some random video game that has absolutely no relevance.

    Maybe if one of them shot a grappling hook out of their hand, and yelled out “GET OVER HERE!!!!”, they could blame it.

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    Good Lord says:


    “this isnt about the alcohaul,nomatter how much alcohaul you drink it has nothing to do with it.”

    You’re an idiot. Underage drinking? Criminal negligence? This has everything to do with alcohol.

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    Ghost Coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Loudspeaker

    a) most likely the alcohol was already present in the house. An adult does live there, so there is a strong possibility that alcohol was readily available. Not exactly a crime to have beer in your fridge. I am also fairly certain that the mother did not encourage her daughter to drink or to share the mother’s alcohol with anyone underage. If she did, she is now in the running with Brittney Spears’ mom for matron of the year.
    Now, if the boyfriend brought something over, then you can hunt down who sold it to him and pop them with selling to a minor, no more no less. Trying to ding the alcohol vendor would be very, very difficult.

    b) when does a parent need to ‘authorize’ a daughter to watch a younger daughter? When I was growing up it was more of an accepted thing.

    ” son, you’re going to watch your little brother while we go to the store.”
    ” yes dad.”

    End of scenario. There might be some bitching and moaning, but my parents came home to to kids vice one every time. Most likely the mother did not ‘authorize’ a visit by the boyfriend. Sadly, no legal binding on either issue. Now, if there is negligence, bad parenting, etc. You can possibly ding her with that in a court of law, but trying to get this event to stick to the one who ‘authorized’ them to babysit is going to be harder then dinging the bloke that might have sold alcohol to the boyfriend.

    However, the scenario you presented does sound like the most rational posited by any talking head on the news stations across the globe. Tragically, we’re not getting paid as much as they are to ignore logic and reasoning. I do wonder how much those tools get paid to ham this stuff up?

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    Dave says:

    I think this is is my first time replying to GP, normally because what gets posted is a mere matter of a sigh, a snigger or a shaking of the head.

    This actually makes me angry. A seven year old killed by people that have no *excuse* for it possibly being accidental, not only that but her own sister.

    It’s a little harsh, but I hope she dies a horrible, painful death.
    And to think she can blame it on a game that hasn’t been in the limelight for what, 10 years or more?

    Next on Shifting Blame: “Custer’s Revenge made me think rape was a great idea!” -Stay Tuned!

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok there are two BIG QUESTIONS that were NOT answered in this article from the original source…

    A) Who provided the alcohol
    B) Who authorized them to babysit

    I must say there is OBVIOUSLY a lot more to this story than is being said and of course the media is failing once again. Let’s take this from an experimental lab point of view…

    Take one 17 year old male, a 16 year old female, and a 7 year old female and put them in a room…

    Now there’s no time of the event given so let’s just say in the evening… 9:00 PM perhaps…

    I’m going to take a wild guess and say that maybe one 17 male and one 16 female were doing things parents might find “inappropriate”. Say then one 7 year old female hears noises or maybe the television is too loud so she comes out of her room to investigate.

    This is all conjecture. I just feel like there was an, “oooo I’m telling!” moment from the 7 year old that just turned bad.

    I’ll skip to my point. The parents should be held accountable to some end (assuming that the boy was part of the babysitting group allowed by them).

    Ok I’m rambling. This story just screams there’s much more too it and it has nothing to do with video games. If there was a time and date of the assault and some background on the two there with the little girl I wouldn’t have this gut feeling.

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    Ghost Coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Mister Angry

    Thank you. I am trying to restrain myself. I, too, share annonymous’ feelings on the matter, but, as you put it, what is done is done.
    What I would like to know is what happened over the reports to child protective services (the family was apparently reported before over the 7 year old being injured). So, there is more to this particular event than just the tragedy itself.
    There appears to be a building up to it. An absentee single mom (doing what she could I imagine) who in good faith left her eldest daughter the responsibility of watching over her little sister…then all hell broke loose. That much is null at this point, devoid of anymore contextual analysis benefit. We need to see what happened a priori. There we will find the monsters and boogymen that led up to this sad moment. Then, and only then can we really tally up the damage and make an assessment on the best way to go about fixing it.

    @Joe (who’s comment was apparently removed)

    Please do not bring race into this. The wired forum is swamped with it, and it presents no real weight to the arguement at hand. It could have easily been anyone of any race, creed, religion, etc. To assume that this is based on the color of one’s skin is both immature and grossly out of line.

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    Ghost Coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Violence begets violence? The system has them, and the system will deal with them. While their crime is reprehensible, it should be reminded that trying to invoke some sort of personal justice (while I sympathize with you) is crass and overall ineffective in solving the problem. These two twits are poster children for what can go wrong in society. Alcohol was available, as it is in virtually any home (if it was not brought over by the boyfriend). Bad decisions were made that resulted in the death of this, from all accounts, dear young girl that was loved by a better part of the neighborhood. We do sympathize with those who feel loss, but at the same time we must look at the context in which it is being presented. Everything that has been presented so far places a far heavier burden of blame on video games then on the alcohol and poor parenting. That is what we are angry about. News stations painting up this tragedy as a cheap selling point to push out the idea that video games are the cause of this (practically every news article is calling this the ‘mortal kombat’ killing). We are upset that this little girl has become a talking point on a roster for a certain lawyer who I know is chomping at the bit to see how it falls. One would venture a guess that he’s already working on a wrongful death lawsuit over this event as we speak. That is what irritates us. It goes beyond video games here mate.

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    The Artist formerly known as GRU says:


    So you respond to their mindless violence with mindfull violence?


    ‘nomatter how much alcohaul you drink it has nothing to do with it.’

    Sorry, but that’s wrong, alcohol has a proven effect on temper control, and feelings of invulnerability, alcohol has much to do with it. I think you jump to conclusions about the two who did this, and want judgement before trial. That’s the one thing we want to avoid, be it judgement of games or judgement of the people involved.

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    Ghost Coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So, after listening to this tripe on Foxnews, I hit google to see where the MK thing fits in. I can’t find a single story that actually mentions where MK comes into the equation outside of them “imitating moves seen in Mortal Kombat”. Last I checked, no one I was aware of in mortal kombat broke an egg and poured the contents down the throat of an unconcious victim….or submerged them in water. This is either a piss poor attempt by some kids to cover their tracks by blaming video games, or a piss poor attempt to explain a crime away by lazy cops by blaming video games. The latter seems to have become the new vogue for those in the law enforcement business.
    The only connection to video games I found was in an article from the Denver post saying that the boyfriend had originally testified that he was downstairs playing video games while the sisters were upstairs wrestling. Now, wrestling to me sounds like some WWE fans. Not sure, just sort of my feeling. Mayhaps we should start asking if they did any figure-4’s or an armbar. Actually, blood in the spine and damage to the skull would be indicative of body slams and throws that are normally found in wrestling. Furthermore, the moment the boyfriend said that his hands were registered as leathal weapons, we should have realized he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box. Another note, there were reports in either the article or the denver post article (Read a few too many now) that this wasn’t the first time the little girl had been found with bruises. Prior babysitters had found bruises on her, and her response was that she had “fallen down some stairs”…can we say consistent with child abuse? History of abuse? Sociopathic tendencies?
    Pureblooded idiocy killed that little girl, ignorance is giving them a social excuse, and I hope to god someone in colorado can see through this line of BS.

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    Robb ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    JT tells kids its okay to blame videogames for your misdeeds, so they decide to mention it when they’re arrested. That New Mexico case is the perfect example. If you succeed in saying a game is to blame for a murder, you are giving murderers an excuse to avoid punishment.

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    Mister Angry ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Are you well aware of the fact that we DO CARE about the fact that a child is dead. We *are* annoyed at the fact that some dumb-assed fools killed her. Though this IS a place to discuss the gaming aspect of the whole issue. There are so many ways to describe our disgust with this but… Really…

    I might sound cold and you’ll probably disagree but… What’s done is done…

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    anonomys says:

    wtf is wrong with you people?
    dont you see this isnt about the video games.
    a little girl is dead because two fucking stupid bastards felt like killing her.
    this isnt about the alcohaul,nomatter how much alcohaul you drink it has nothing to do with it.
    there stupid mother fuckers who deserve to get as much suffering as possible.
    all of the crying,yelling,and begging them to stop.
    THINK PEOPLE,stop bullshitting on and on about the game.
    it isnt about the game.
    its about a little girl who is now dead over some stupid fucking faggots.
    god the things i would do to them bastards if i ever got near them.

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    Mister Angry ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    …Being 17 years old makes me want to have a *facepalm’d* moment right now.

    Why do jackasses think it’s a good idea to rough-around with little kids? For god’s sake you can kill a kid with a gentle poke to the noggin. NeverthelessI need to get this out of the way…

    Don’t blame the alcohol.
    Don’t blame the video games.
    Don’t fucking blame ANYTHING.

    Stupid punks, being 17 myself I can understand the “art of shifting blame” (Then again, I never have a need to do so, and most of the time I just flat-out say “it’s my fault”…). They can go rot in jail for all I care. They decide to drink, underage…and while being drunk, horse around with a 7-year-old child. What a bunch of moronic bullshit.

    …And of course, all the blame will be shifted onto games. Not even the alcohol (Well not that the alcohol matters, their moronic thinking is to blame and nothing more). Man, I can prove right here these guys have shit for brains.

    “He said he and Trujillo “cracked an egg in her mouth . . . in an attempt to see if she was messing around with them” by faking unconsciousness.”

    Oh that’s real genius. Real damn genius.

    Well this is damn wonderful. Because of this crap, the game industry just took a huge blow to the groin. I just hope people can understand that you need to stop believing the actions people do is caused by something else.

    Man-up and take responsibility. Either way, you’re going to jail unless you have Johnnie Cochran as your lawyer. (But that’s not possible as of 2007)

    Oh and…

    “As punishment, we summon Prince Goro out of his palace in Outworld and see how the drunken jackass does against him.

    (Or Zombie Liu Kang. I’m not picky.)”

    Bo-Rai-Cho, He’s drunk and a MK character. (…Oh snap JT moment kicked in. *MORTAL KOMBAT SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AND DRINKING*)

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    BlackIce, Dragunov Marksman says:

    @Austin Lewis

    “I’m a fucking martial artist, and all the times I’ve been drinking I’ve never killed or injured anyone.”

    Funnily enough, you’re paid to kill people, however you want to put it.

    On anothr note, i’d like to remind everyone that we have forums, link’s at the top of the page, and we’d love to have some new members.

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    Meggie ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I heard about this story from a CNN alert. A teen only a year away from legally being considered a man BEATS a CHILD to DEATH, while her own sister did nothing. If I read the story right, it sounds like the boy originally tried to claim only the sister had wrestled with her. Any excuse to save his own hide…
    I can’t even imagine how the mother feels, loosing a daughter and knowing your other child had a hand in it?

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    Tale says:

    @Weighted Companion Cube

    Never said it was the origin of the phrase. However, what the male defendent said is obviously related to what Murtaugh said. Not the phrase “lethal weapon” but the phrase relating to having your own person be registered as one.

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    Todd ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Eh, kids do stupid crap all the time and people blame Pro Wrestling, Ninja Turtles, Road Runner, Tom & Jerry, etc, and those industries didn’t miss a beat. This isn’t any different. Heck, the video game industry has even MORE money to combat this bad PR than any of those other industries.

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    Austin Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Otaku
    My good man, the videogame issue was brought in by the babysitters. They’re trying to weasel out of killing a child by blaming it on videogames.

    This man is no martial artsist.

    I’m a fucking martial artist, and all the times I’ve been drinking I’ve never killed or injured anyone.

    This is just 2 assholes trying to place blame on videogames.

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    Austin Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Lightwarrior

    I’m gonna say Child Neglect all around for both babysitters and family.
    Assault and Battery for one babysitter (the one who did it)
    Accessory for the other.

    A count of murder for the babysitter that murdered the child.

    And uh….
    probably some random charges for underage drinking and intoxication and things of that nature.

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    OtakuMan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This is truly a sad, sad story. The thought that video games might somehow get the finger pointed at them for causing this tragedy is irresponsible and stupid.

    First, we got an underage minor teenage baby sitter and her boyfriend… DRUNK!

    Second, apparently the girl they were looking after had a history of abuse, whether within or from outside the family.

    Third, I keep thinking back to the old urban legend of a stoned family cooking their baby while under the influence of illegal narcotics.

    I think there’s a lot of blame to go around, but to pin it entirely on Mortal Kombat, or say that it even partly on Mortal Kombat, is ridiculous.

    It could have been Power Rangers…
    It could have been WWE Wrestling…
    It could have been TNA Impact…
    It could have been a Martial Arts movie…
    It could have been ANYTHING!

    The fact of the matter is that while inebriated, those kids committed murder by beating up a 7-year old girl.

    I’d want those kids to live out their lives in jail for this crime! (I’d say fry, but I think growing up and spending the rest of their lives is more humane while being crueler at the same time!)

    Furthermore, I want to know what the parents were doing about this? Had they not heard reports that this sitter’s boyfriend had abused the girl once before?

    And then there’s the fact that they were drunk! DRUNK!

    Drunk, underage minors committing murder!

    It’s obscene!

    To try and drag video games into this case of clear cut abuse and child neglect is a TRAVESTY! There is no reason why the finger shouldn’t be pointed DIRECTLY at the sitter, her boyfriend, and also the child’s family.

    This isn’t about video games! It’s about two morally irresponsible teenagers committing a hideous crime and a family who, from preliminary reports, seemed to allow the kind of behavior that led up to this.

    To bring video games into this is just a tactic by the media or politicians that want to overly sensationalize this and try and use it for a personal agenda.

    And that’s almost, if not more, disgusting than the actual murder.


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    Austin Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You’re a complete retard, seriously.

    The teens ‘admitted’ to being acting out a game? Why would they do that?

    Could it be the lesser sentence, or possibility of no sentence? Could it be because like all criminals, they want to say its not their fault and blame the gun maker/game maker/their upbringing?

    Robert Coffey once said “Replace murder with stealing the family car, and you’ve got a kid trying to avoid being grounded”.

    And if you really think games caused this, then you need to have your brain examined, and be instituionalized.

    The day that America is run on emotional responses and hearsay instead of rational thinking is the day that our society will fall apart.

    And Jeddy, you’re a jackass.

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    Weighted Companion Cube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    The term “Lethal Weapon” didn’t stem from the movie originally. Sure, the title of the movie comes from the fact that Murtaugh tells Riggs he should be considered a lethal weapon, but that’s not the origination of the phrase.

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    LightWarrior ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hey question..sence they wheren’t intending to kill the little girl. But still beat her to death.

    Is this like invonlintary manslaughter with like assult and battery?

    I know it’s a whole different charge it people intended to kill or plot for it.

    Compaired to an “accdent”….though they sure seem intended on beating this little girl up….

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    Tale says:

    Some people say that there’s no real reference to Mortal Kombat aside from the article. One of the articles I read had the female defendant say that they were acting out Mortal Kombat. Of course, her boyfriend claims his hands are a registered “Lethal Weapon.” That’s not just a play on words, that’s actually a direct reference to the first movie. Danny Glover tells Mel Gibson he should be registered as a Lethal Weapon (hence the title).

    So, we’ve got a game, underage drinking, and 2X movies (the game also had a movie). Yet the articles focus only on the game?

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    Dalorei says:

    Roberts, apparently drunk, kicked the little girl.
    Roberts, drunk, kicked the little girl.
    drunk, kicked the little girl.
    drunk, kicked the girl.
    drunk, kicked girl.
    drunk, kicked

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    Pandralisk says:


    I’m not going to go into it, but please pay attention to the content of games. You’d be either highly ignorant or mad if you believe that perverse moral and economic forces are not contexualizing and defining the content of games intended for adults. Most gamers simply do not possess enough insight and unbias judgment to make such an observation. As Vince Desi put it, “…gamers just don’t give a damn or notice censorship.”

    Anyhow, it’s funny the fact that headlines do not even mention the fact that the kid was highly intoxicated…

  58. 0
    mottom22 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ pandralisk

    I find it amazing that I always seem to agree with your first couple sentences, but then I end up rolling my eyes and laughing at you by the middle of the next few.

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    jerros says:

    It’s rare for anyone to accept responsability for their actions, let alone a teenager who’s gotten drunk and killed her friends sister. They are doing what kids always do when they get into trouble, that’s lie their asses off in order to deflect blame.

    The death is tragic but it’s got about as much to do with Mortal Kombat, as it does with Jackie Chan’s Drunken Master movie, or the millions of other martial arts books, movies, and training videos that have been released over the years.

    As for us caring more about the PR problem…. This is “” not “” the lies that are being told in order to deflect blame hurt in an effort to save their butts hurts the game industry and adds fuel to the fires of those media crusaders like J.T. who will use this as an example of “How games cause violence”.

    We aren’t unsympathetic to the loss of a child. However there is little we can do to remedy that loss. In my mind the only way to do it would be to make sure that this childs killers are put to justice. And we don’t do that by allowing the killers to lie about why they did what they did and point the finger at someone else (games/movies/etc) when they know darn well that they are the ones responsible.

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    TheBird says:

    there was no karate chopping in MK – nor was there any stomach poking

    and they dont even know if she even played the games

    this is just the media blowing it out of proportion and blaming a game that they remember from the distant past

    the way i see it…if nobody popped out of the corner and said “TOASTY!” then this is not something to blame MK on

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    Pandralisk says:

    “Roberts, apparently drunk…”

    This story should read, “teen kills girl while under the influence of alchohol.”

    Welcome to the culture of economically censored and Christian biggoted video game manipulation. We’re playing the most watered down and childish crap concieveable and stories like this only make it less offensive and more “kid safe” (although such games are intended for adults in the first place).

     EZK: This is not a religious discussion. Please do not try to make it one.

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    Shavo says:

    I’m sick of all this crap about people doing things like murder, stealing cars, abusing others, and breaking and entering. Then going and blaming it on Grand Theft Auto, or Mortal Kombat. You know what that is not your problem, stop blaming the games, because they are not doing anything to you. This is the kinda stuff that Jack looks for to have us hate him more. So listen and listen good. “GAMES DO NOT MAKE YOU DO THINGS YOU DON’T WANT TO IT’S ALL YOU AND NOTHING ELSE. GAMES DO NOT MAKE YOU WANT TO DO THESE THINGS THEY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING YOU HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND YOU FINALLY ACTED UPON THEM.”

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    Merc25 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I find myself disgusted and sickened at this news, more so than any tirade by Jack, scapegoating politicians, or one sided news from the old media. Which I believe is appropriate, considering that a death of a seven year old was the end result of the “babysitters’s” drunken stupor.

    How stupid do you have to be to not consider the consequences of drinking while babysitting?

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    Matthew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So they admit that they were influenced by Mortal Kombat. Fair enough. Of course, if they knew they were acting out the game then they were aware of what they were doing when they were doing it. It was a conscious decision to beat someone up. Two possibilities then:

    They didn’t intend it to go that far, in which case the alcohol is probably the culprit for clouding their judgment. How much is the beverage industry going to be attacked for this?

    They intended it to go how it did, in which case it’s premeditated assault inspired by Mortal Kombat. Question for the panel: If person A copycats previous killer B, is B in trouble?

    We have a sick crime here and they’re doing what kids do. They’re not trying to *blame* Mortal Kombat, they’re trying to *excuse* themselves.

    (Aside: “Roberts said he cracked an egg in her mouth[…]” Would anyone else have thought of doing that?)

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    Soul ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Those two teens acted irresponsible and one was intoxicated, as a result, a little girl is dead cause those two did something very stupid and foolish and I hope there “The video games made me do it” defense fails and they get the sentence they deserve for there idiocy >_>.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Agreed, people seem to be losing focus of the fact that this was NOT a deliberate act, these kids are going to have live with their stupidity for the rest of their lives, they aren’t the first kids to accidentally kill one of their group whilst fooling around, nor will they be the last.

    I feel sad that a 7-year old died, its a terrible event, there’s no doubt of that, but the whole culture of ‘someone is responsible for everything’ is getting silly. They were drunk by the looks of things, which is often a contributor in tragedies such as this, and they lost track of where the line was, the result was heart-breaking. Whilst the ultimate responsibility of the act falls onto those who struck the blows, people need to keep in focus that it was an accident, not a murder, they weren’t trying to kill the girl, they were playing and something went too far and someone died.

    It’s a tragedy that has been repeated for thousands of years, both in reality and in stories.

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    Master Fink says:

    What idiots. I hate it when stupid, easily preventable shit like this happens due to the stupidity and carelessness of others. You don’t drink when you’re farking babysitting! Send them to Guantanamo Bay or something. I hope they get tried as adults.

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    Demontestament ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Of course it was the evil video games fault. It couldn’t be because some stupid ass teens got drunk could it? It has to be the evil game that corrputed good moral children into beating up the little girl. I hope the prosecution knows by going off of the whole “They did it because it was in a video game” claim will do nothing but weaken their case. Very few “News sources” are reporting about the families history of abuse on the girl and focusing on a wild claim that Mortal Kombat inspired them to do it.


    I fully agree, I think once the case develops more we will find that video games had nothing to do with this murder, They were drunk and more then likely on some drug and the boyfriend is going to have some sort of criminal record on assaulting people.

    Wonder if the little girl said she was going to tell on them and they felt the needed to beat her until she said she wouldn’t.

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    Zen says:

    @ BaronJuJu

    Actually, it was a couple of movies, line of action figures, music cds, comic books, and a TV show. Sure I’m actually forgetting some extras there, but you get the point.

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    BaronJuJu ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know Mortal Kombat was also a 2hr, non stop “martial arts fighting” MOVIE….but I’m sure no reference to THAT will be mentioned. Especially how its easier to get that than the game now a days.

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    JustAnotherLass says:

    Jeddy is right. People here, save one, care more about the PR problem this will cause for gaming than the fact that some little girl out there just got fatalitied by some mother^&ckers who need to get their eyes scooped out of their heads.

    Hm, yes, the problem of violence in video games is much-ignored and ought to be discussed seriously, but problably not by those who are threatening extreme violence against the people who committed a horribly violent act and blamed it on a violent video game.

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    Guiguibob80 says:

    I believe there’s something more there me and my younger brother we’ve wrestled each other countless times but were lways smart enough to know it was for fun. and never attempted to injure or even urt each other. there’s a difference in fighting for fun and fighting in a way that kills people. And “I don’t know I was drunk” just sound plain stupid to me. mentally ill stupid to me or “I’m trying to cover up the real story with a dumb cover up stupid.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to learn all this videogame imitating stuff is cover up by the teens for someting else far worse.

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    LightWarrior ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As much as I hate hearing people say “games made me do it” which in turn adds more fuel to the fire. It’s kinda come expected that some people these days will try to say video games made them do it so they think they can get off the hook.

    As with alot of people here already. I’m sure the underage drinking will be totally over looked.

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    Zen says:

    It drives me to tears to see something like this happen…regardless of the reasons. I have a 7 year old son and could imagine the fear and pain this girl went thru, from her older sister that she probably looked up to and followed around, and the fear when she asked to stop and they didn’t. I don’t care why it happened..that just leads to people playing the blame game. I care THAT it happened and hope the girl is at peace now that her suffering has stopped.

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    Mort ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    To clarify, I don’t think Midway and ESA should go after the kids. I do think however that these kids don’t care about any damage they cause to anyone else if it helps them get lesser sentences. Out for themselves, screw everyone else.

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    Shrike says:

    So, let me get this straight:
    Never before in the history of man have teenagers gotten drunk and beaten someone to death?

    Furthermore, there’s no evidence that alcohol removes inhibitions and reduces one’s capacity for good judgment?

    Must be the video games that made them do it. Fire away, JT. You can’t POSSIBLY lose this one. After all, you’ve got a pretty girl turned to a murderer by that black scourge!

    For all the proof you need: There is an exceptionally gore-filled “Fatality move” in Mortal Kombat that has an egg placed in the opponent’s mouth, just like in this case!

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    Werrick ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Clearly if it was Mortal Kombat they were imitating, then that’s what’s to blame! Obviously not the fact that they were drinking underage while babysitting!

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    Mort ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The little girl got killed, that is horrible, wrong, sad, and I hope the two “babysitters” are locked up for a long, long time. I would wager on out in 3 years, maybe 5 at most and find that sickening. But they will have “learned their lesson” and “be sorry for what they did.” No apologies to the companies they intentionally slandered.

    No bringing her back, yes that is callous but it is true. I think most people here realize that and won’t dwell on that fact. Instead they will opt to discuss the political and media ramifications.

    I think everyone else has pointed out the facts, teenagers will blame shift to try to avoid punishment. These particular teens were drunk. Seeing the two, I would be willing to wager that the boyfriend was the one who thought up the “Mortal Kombat made us do it! Just stick to the story are we can get off scott free!” angle.

    That is what I think this entire MK bull is; blame shift, lie, choose a scape goat that is not domestic abuse or teen drinking. Those don’t work as well at getting the public worked into a spitting rage. The little girl was showing up at school bruised and beaten. The public should be up in arms about that. Was the mother playing these games too and acting them out? Or was the mother just ignoring why her daughter was having the crap beat out of her? I doubt either of those.

    These people got drunk, killed a little girl. It is no different than going to a bar, getting loaded, and running down some kid in your car. Did GTA make you do it? No!

    Take responsibility for your own stupidity.

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    DCOW ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Lemme get this straight. a DRUNK 17 year old, KICKED A 7-YEAR OLD CHILD. and VIDEOGAMES are being hold responsible?

    I hold the PARENTS responsible. if the child was DRUNK then that’s the first problem right there. HOW did she get access to alochol?


    people like this DESERVE to be locked up, to prevent this from happening again.

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    Buckeye531 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I also saw this on MSNBC (Jack Thompson WAS NOT a guest).

    Let’s add another thing here. These kids were 16 and 17. Although the brain isn’t fuly developed at this age, they should be above the influence of entertainment. Some of us also claim that these kids were drunk. If these kids were, I think you have a deeper problem that video games.

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    Waffles ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Roberts, apparently drunk,”

    “Roberts, apparently drunk,”

    “Roberts, apparently drunk,”

    “Roberts, apparently drunk,”


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    GameHeretic says:

    This is indeed a tragedy, because of the actions of two foolish people a life has been taken.
    First and foremost is the drinking, the accused said “I don’t know I was drunk,” this is not an excuse this is stupidity at its finest. Not only did his actions take a life but his inaction of calling the paramedics made it worse. And cracking an egg to see if she was faking? I don’t remember being taught that in First Aid class.
    If the two “Babysitters” had simply got drunk (or not had a drink in the first place) and fought each other this tragedy could have been averted, they would simply have headaches this morning, instead a family will mourn the loss of a child who’s life has been extinguished far too soon.
    Simply put the game industry is not to blame for this crime the only ones to blame are the ones that blatantly murdered this little girl.

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    17-A says:

    It’s crimes like this that make me wish there was an “eye for an eye” system of justice in this country. This drunken jackass decides he wants to play Mortal Kombat in real life with a 7 year old? As punishment, we summon Prince Goro out of his palace in Outworld and see how the drunken jackass does against him.

    (Or Zombie Liu Kang. I’m not picky.)

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Let’s see, you have a sixteen year old girl and a seventeen year old boy, drinking. Supposedly they were babysitting the girls little sister. People have already pointed out a number of things wrong with this, but lets continue.
    Who came up with the Mortal Kombat angle?
    None of the quotes from the witnessess show it. It says it shows up in the court documents.
    Then, at the bottom of that article, is another one from The Greeley Tribune trying to pin the entire blame on Mortal Kombat. To be honest, back in the day it was pretty violent. I never played it growing up, but that’s because I preferred SFII. However, MK isn’t even a blip on the radar right now. That’s why I wonder where they got the MK angle from.

    Next, this article SHOULD be about a 17 year old getting drunk and, well, lets quote the article:
    The witness said Roberts performed a back kick and the girl didn’t get up. He said he and Trujillo “cracked an egg in her mouth . . . in an attempt to see if she was messing around with them” by faking unconsciousness.

    Because in ALL the medical shows, cracking a raw egg into a little girls mouth after you kicked her unconcious is the best was to check if she is faking.

    This guy is 17, SEVENTEEN. Then again, if they try claiming 24 year olds as children when it comes to videogame related violence.

    This was a tradgedy, and it shouldn’t have happened. However trying to blame a game that hasn’t been released for years (actually, I have NO IDEA when the last MK game was out, it isn’t really on any screens right now) smacks of a NON-GAMER trying to come up with a scape goat to blame his actions on.

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    Rebecca Richards says:

    It bothers me that the Mortal Kombat reference is the only thing getting the media in a frenzy. According to the Denver Post, the family had a history of violence and the little girl had been showing up at school covered in bruises. This is clearly a case of child abuse that escalated into murder because social services never did anything about it. Hence they want to blame video games because its easier to blame a moral panic than to take responsibility for their own failure.

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    Papa Midnight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @E.Z.K. It’s like I said before. In this instance, screw the fact that they were drunk or were acting like idiots. It is the video games fault no matter what. Those will be the words of good ol’ John Bruce and those like him.

    Remember the incident with Pro Wrestling a few years back where a guy killed his younger brother from immitating wrestling moves on him? Screw the fact that he didn’t know how to perform them correctly or was doing it to someone literally half his size, it’s all pro wrestlings fault.

    Did the promotion he watched specifically tell him to go out and do it too his little brother? No. Did mortal kombat specifically tell these two idiots to go out and try to perform a fatality on the kids they were babysitting? No one that count as well.

    Am I getting through to anyone here?

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    noplace says:


    Reading through the comments and the article its not so much denying its video games. Lets call it like it is, the two kids were drunk, judgement was severly impaired, killed the little girl. Honestly its no ones fault but their own. Kids don’t alway do the smartest things, i think we can all agree on that. I know when i was younger, I did some dumb things, albeit nothing compared to this.

    At that point they probably flipped out, realized they killed her, and now, like normal teenagers, are trying to blame ANYTHING else besides themselves to get out of the mountain of trouble they are in. Kids blame shift all the time.

    Honestly, I don’t see this as the mothers fault, she was working, trusted her daughter to watch her sister and the kid f’ed up… severly (understatement i know, but..) Again its not anyones fault but their own. But even if they “ADMITTED” it was a video game does that really mean it was? People lie, even to the police.

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    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    You’re right – The point here is that some poor kid was killed due to the reckless stupidity of two young adults. Be it video games or alchohol, somebody died. The fact that she was beatn to death only makes this case all the more horrid

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    Fox News (yes I know, Fox News ?!?) has a listing of what was found in the autopsy:,2933,317544,00.html

    An autopsy showed she had a broken wrist, more than 20 bruises, swelling of the brain, and bleeding in her neck muscles and under her spine, the affidavits said.

    I do agree that taking the blame completely off of games is just as bad as putting it fully on the games. They most likely were drunk. During their drunken stuper, they probably thought it would be fun to play “Mortal Kombat”. Because they were drunk, they probably let their good judgment fly out the window and caried it out too far.

    Would the kid still be alive if they did not have the idea to “Play mortal Kombat”? Possibly. Would the kid still be alive if they weren’t drunk? Most Definiately.

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    Austin Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That’s funny, I don’t remember beating up a kid in any mortal kombat game. I also don’t remember every being able to ‘pinch’ my enemies.

    So I call bullshit on this stupid bitch.

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    Teh Mommy says:

    The autopsy revealed the little girl died of blunt force trauma, so yes – she was literally beaten to death.

    Imitating video games or movies or wrestling be damned. What kind of 16-year-old does this to her younger sister? The boyfriend claimed to be intoxicated, but there is nothing indicating the sister was, even if that could be used as an excuse (which it shouldn’t). My older kids are 11 and 8 years older, respectively, than their little brother and they’d both burn out their own eyes with red hot pokers before they’d so much as lay a hand on him, except to hug him.

    There is NO excuse for what happened to this poor child. NONE. I am glad they are both being tried as adults. I also feel very, very badly for the mother.

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    Barly says:

    Jeddy is right. People here, save one, care more about the PR problem this will cause for gaming than the fact that some little girl out there just got fatalitied by some mother^&ckers who need to get their eyes scooped out of their heads.

    And yes, consider the fact that this is a seven (?) year old girl we’re talking about, it doesn’t take a heck of a lot of drop-kicks before she gets her internal organs reorganized.

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    monte' ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    People can and have been beaten to death, and without the use of weapons. From what we can gather these to drunken idiots weren’t just “playing” they were hitting the girl with a very significant amount of force. Varying from person to person, a strong strike is all it takes to really hurt someone and knocked them down, especially when the victim is a little girl. And if you keep beating on them you could very well damage a few organs. I’m certain an autopsy would be able to tell us exactly how she died…

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    Adaptor ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I agree with you. Because the issue of video game violence is handled completely wrong by politicians doesn’t mean it isn’t a real issue. A lot of the stories about video games influencing people to commit crimes are nonsense but cases like this can’t just be ignored.

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    Mike says:

    Jeddy, I think the tragedy is a given. I have kids and am an avid MK fan. This is absolutely ridiculous. Theres so much wrong with this that it’s hard to even pinpoint whats the worst part (aside form the death itself). I mean, here someones little girl is dead, but the focus on blame is being hoisted onto the Video Game scapegoat again.
    I think it’s jsut sick, here two kids were drinking, and they beat a 7 year old to death. There’s no excuse, video game aside, two people chose to beat a 7 year old.. a small child.. until they died. They didn’t stop when she cried, they didn’t stop when she was hurt.
    Blame needs to be put where it’s due. This is why the stance against J.T. is so strong, becuase the way he promotes his propoganda takes the focus not only off of remembering the victim, but it relieves part of the guilt of the criminals by putting the blame on games.

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    GameDevMich ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I want to say first and foremost that I am deeply saddened to hear what happened to this little girl. What she must have been experiencing and how she passed makes me burn with rage and sorrow…

    @Jeddy3 – I was with you for most of your post. As you pointed out, there are few posts showing sympathy for the girl and what she had to go through. There are, however, far too many posts trying to push the blame: parents, alcohol, video games, etc.

    Who is entirely at fault? Obviously those that committed the crime. Blame, at this point, is irrelevant because two young lives are now ruined, and one innocent life is lost completely.

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    Xaon says:

    @some guy
    Given that the older two were drunk, I’d bet they didn’t pull punches. A properly placed punch to the stomach can kill a full grown man if it catches him off guard. A sixteen year old punching (possibly as hard as she can) a 7 year old in the stomach is potentially pretty damaging when you consider she doesn’t have much muscle there to protect herself. The kick she received from the boy could have been severely damaging as well, depending on where she was kicked. If they were after the punch, the slap to the stomach and possibly the poke to the chest could have made any internal damages worse, as well as any jostling from the other attacks. The difference in strength and durability between a 7 year old and a 16 year old is massive, it doesn’t take much.

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    Jeddy3 says:

    Here’s the thing that bothers me…

    Some people may think I’m anti-video game for this, but nothing could be further from the truth. I own all 3 major consoles, and I currently have no less than 7 systems hooked up to my TV. I’m a diehard gamer, but the fact of the matter is that these two teens ADMITTED they were acting out a video game, yet people still deny it.

    Nobody seems sorry about what happened – they’re just worried about how it will affect video games and what Jack Thompson will say. Who really gives a crap? There’s a dead child, for God’s sake!

    All anybody seems worried about it whether or not they can link it to MK or whether or not people will take into account the fact that the murderers were drunk, and honestly, that’s just as sickening as Jack Thompson’s anti-game stance. It shows gamers as heartless, thoughtless zealots – which isn’t that too far off from Thompson and his crusade.

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    JP says:

    From Kotaku:
    “According to the arrest affidavits, Trujillo told investigators she and Roberts were babysitting Zoe (Garcia) and her twin, 3-year-old sisters, while their mother worked at the Corral Bar about five blocks away.
    Trujillo said they were acting out the video game “Mortal Combat” by savagely hitting and kicking Zoe, even dropping her on her side, which broke her wrist. Roberts, who claimed to be a martial-arts expert with his hands registered as “lethal weapons, said Zoe had asked him to stop hitting her but that he didn’t because “…I was drunk.”
    Roberts said he had performed a back kick on her, then kicked her again as she ran toward him. She fell back and didn’t get up. She had stopped breathing, and Trujillo and Roberts waited 15 minutes before calling for help.
    They said they put her in a bath, which temporarily revived her, but that she stopped breathing again. Roberts said he cracked an egg in her mouth “to see if she was messing around with them.”
    The egg went down her throat, the affidavit stated.
    Finally, the mother and paramedics were called. Zoe was taken to the Northern Colorado Medical Center where she was pronounced dead. “

    Sounds like a bit more than playfighting to me. As someone who does martial arts himself, it saddens me to no end when poeple lilke this claim to be martial artists but are no more than savage idiots.

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    Benji says:

    They might not have hit any immediately fatal areas, but a sufficient bludgeoning could lead to internal injuries, damage, and death. It’s far more likely when you consider that the victim was a 7 year old girl and probably doesn’t have a very tough constitution, and that the assailants were apparently drunk and might not have had sufficient control to pull their punches like one would usually do when play fighting.

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    Imperialist Agenda says:

    So what? Sorry about the kid, but who can actually prove it was MK?

    Maybe it was wrestling, martial arts, Olympics, American Gladiator, or a million other things that simulate or feature real life combat.

    Or it could’ve been nothing except for the fact that the killers were really screwed up in the head and had some sort of genetic pre-dispositiion to sadism.

    But hey, they’re just talkin bout MK for the sensationalism.

    Case in point: just a few minutes ago I saw a segment on MSNBC talking about this case and all they did was show film of MK.

    Some of the MK film was from the original 1992/1993 game!!!!!!!!

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    That_1_Guy says:

    Alright I just don’t get it. Why does it seem whenever something good happens to us like Virginia Tech investigation showing that the killer did not play counterstrike, Jack Thompson’s disbarrment, etc. That something like this happens and adds fuel to the fire.

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    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What I’d like to know is who referenced Mortal Kombat in the original news release.

    All is says in the original text is that an affidavit was filed – so was it Lamar, Heather, or somebody else who stated the aforementioned info?

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    StarSlayer says:

    As young teens, my cousins and I used to act out what we see in Professional Wrestling shows. Nothing wrong with that as long as there are limits to how you act it out.

    The problem in this case though may be that the teens in this story were drunk leading to loss of restraint and control. Seems to me like “being drunk” should be examined more as a factor here than video games.

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    sheppy says:

    @Black Manta

    “The MK franchise has been around for more than 10 years now and only now does it get linked to a murder (however tenuously)? You might as well blame Three Stooges shorts or Tom and Jerry cartoons.”

    Actually, MK being blamed in murder cases is nothing new. Apparently in New Deli, years ago, children playfighting, one accidently broke the others neck. So they hid the body in the river and blamed Mortal Kombat. Fortunately, that excuse didn’t work then either.

    All they really have to do is show game footage. This sounds like a drunken savage beating, nothing like the game.

    @shoehorn o’plenty
    “If a teen got drunk and jumped from a 5 story window because they claimed they were playing “superman”, there would be no backlash against the comic character.”

    A Comic Code Authority says what? Early Superman comics were excessively violent as were other early books. Unfortunately, to avoid government regulation, the comic industry established the CCA in the US. A system sooo strict and ridiculously hindering that Asia and Europe comics were quickly advancing and the US comics would take years before they caught up. All because of what you mentioned. Imitatable acts.

    Unfortunately, gaming is the new comic books. It will pass eventually and then the gaming industry equivelant of Lobo will look pretty tame.

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    Bill ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I almost have no words. I have a young daughter. The story gives a brief mention of alchohol then goes in depth on Games. I’m just saddened and sickened all over.

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    Shoehorn O'Plenty ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “it’s difficult to know whether Roberts and Trujillo actually played Mortal Kombat, or whether it is a generic reference to martial arts fighting.”

    I believe it’s a generic reference. Kid’s playfighting before even the earliest beat em up game was referred to as playing karate, batman, cops and robbers, etc.

    If a teen got drunk and jumped from a 5 story window because they claimed they were playing “superman”, there would be no backlash against the comic character.

    Long story short, you have a teen who is abusive to her sister. She gets drunk and beats the girl, with a little help from her boyfriend and they decide to call this funny activity Mortal Kombat. Alarmist media sources hear Mortal Kombat and immediately start jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Considering how long Mortal Kmobat has been around, I don’t think this is going to be as big a deal as some might fear. The MK franchise has been around for more than 10 years now and only now does it get linked to a murder (however tenuously)? You might as well blame Three Stooges shorts or Tom and Jerry cartoons.

    This has the same air about it as the case where two teens killed a younger child and later claimed they were imitating pro wrestling (please cite the source for me). If I recall, that defense was thrown out. And considering what we saw yesterday, I seriously doubt this will have anywhere near as big an impact.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ some guy

    On their own, nothing looks fatal. But when you combine them all in succession, it can quickly get there.

    This is mostly a case of stupid kids getting drunk. There was probably a real fight that happened, and it was turned on the poor kid.

    I really hate hearing stuff like this and I hope that the two “babysitters” get prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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    some guy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m curious as to what actually caused the girl’s death, because none of the stuff in the article sounds even remotely fatal. There’s more to this story then what we are getting.

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    Jormagund says:

    Of course it wasn’t the fact they were drunk that caused them to act like idiotsas it would any adult it was the evil games! This seems like another pathetic tie-in to games by either a fearful prosecutor or a damn desprate defense though either way it doesn’t allevate thier personal responibility. They were babysitting the kid while drunk obviously SOMETHING was going to happen regardless of whether they played the game or not. I’m also slightly amazed, but mostly bemused, at how quickly people jumped all over the game angle even with an overwhelming lack of evidence…the second coming of JBT perhaps?

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    bloodharp ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Damnit, just what we need, the stereotype “babysitter invites drunken boyfriend over” gets increased to “… and kills child”. Cant believe those stupid kids. Besides the fact that Mortal Combat is a horrible thing to even consider playing with a SEVEN yearold, to be drunk doing it is just moronic and idiotic. I feel ashamed of my age group. (15-19)

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    Keith K ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I guess its time to ban video games again.

    We’ll ignore professional wrestling, competitive martial arts/mixed martial arts, pretty much the entire Hong Kong film industry and professional sports though.

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    Devon says:

    I dont remember being able to punch and pinch my opponents thighs in MK or kick them in the shins. Being able to slap a female character in the stomach and buttocks would have been a nice addition, but I never saw that in the game either.

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    Weighted Companion Cube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Everything in life is imitatable. People who watched Jackass would go do the same stunts. Most people have some sort of judgment that comes into play. And, like the article clearly states, at least one of them was drunk.

    Also, Babality?

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    Dracis says:

    I suppose that she was a teenager and was drunk (Underage drinking anyone?) isn’t even being considered in this case because as we all know it’s them darn video games that make the world such a bad place.

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