
Three weeks ago, a disturbed young man named Robert Hawkins killed eight people along with himself during a rampage at Omaha's Westroads Mall.
While most of those searching for a cause have focused on Hawkins'
mental health history and troubled past, Miami attorney Jack Thompson sees a video game connection.
Of course.
Thompson contacted
GamePolitics today to say that he was filing a lawsuit against Omaha Police Chief Thomas Warren (left) in regard to the case. Apparently the cops in Omaha haven't been impressed by Thompson's video game theories and the controversial attorney wants to force the issue. In his court filing, Thompson writes:
These [rampages] have occurred, in part... because of the advent of extremely violent interactive media (video games) consumed by adolescents and teens who use these murder simulation devices to rehearse and prepare for these murderous assaults.
Any particular game in mind, Jack?
Some of the Grand Theft Auto games, which are wildly popular among individuals such as Robert Hawkins, feature what are known as “mall rampages” by which the player can rehearse, for hours on end, entering shopping malls and shooting at random individuals therein.
But, Jack, does this lawsuit mean that the Omaha police are not buying into your theory?
Anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world...
[The] Police Chief of Omaha... refuses to provide to Thompson... the inventory list of items taken, by search warrant, from Robert Hawkins’ residence.
Thompson has served a written request, pursuant to Nebraska Statute 84-712, upon Police Chief Thomas Warren, and he refuses to comply with his legal duty, under Nebraska law, to provide the inventory.
Although it's not clear how, Thompson maintains that Chief Warren's refusal somehow puts others at risk:
In refusing to comply with the law, defendant Warren demonstrably puts at public safety risk residents of Nebraska and elsewhere...
Thompson has also been interviewed concerning this suit by Omaha's
KETV-7 for its 10PM news broadcast. GP has also heard from Ryan Miller, a vice-president with
Gamers, a Midwest game retailer. Miller said that he, too, was interviewed by way of counterpoint.
Meanwhile, Thompson attempted to post a message regarding the lawsuit on the comments section of
GamePolitics:
I am... well on my way to destroying [GTA publisher] Take-Two. Tonight’s broadcast is just part of the plan.
GP: We're a bit puzzled by Thompson's action since Nebraska's public records disclosure law appears to specifically
exempt police investigation files. The following are not subject to public release according to the statute:
Records developed or received by law enforcement agencies and other public bodies with duties of investigation or examination when the records are part of the examination, investigation, intelligence information, citizen complaints, informant identification, or information used in law enforcement training.
UPDATE: Thompson has advised GP that in place of the lawsuit he originally forwarded to us, he has filed a
writ (MS Word format) with the Fourth District Court of Nebraska. His intent remains the same: to compel Chief Warren to reveal the results of the Hawkins search.
Comments
No, really. I'm shocked it took 3 weeks for Thompson to get involved. I figured he would've snuck past security at Fox News and forced his way on the air within minutes of the first 911 call.
Pathetic.
It sounds like Jack is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. He obviously believes there is a world wide consipiracy and he'll stop at nothing to uncover it. I really, really hope the person or persons involved in his Bar trial notices this. If not, then I fear we are only in for more trouble.
Why? Won't? Jack? Learn?
"Anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction"
Okay, Jack, two things:
1) It is you who is incapable of understanding the "direct causal link". Specifically, you are unable to understand this about your cherished "direct causal link": THERE. AIN'T. NONE.
2) SOMEBODY is living in his own dream world, all right. And no, it's not the Omaha Police Chief; it's actually the person I'm directing this message to.
Please, Jack. Just quit on your "crusade" while you still can. There's no way you can win. We all know that. Well, except probably you.
This one barely diserves a comment.
Besides, he could say he trained on Metal Gear Solid/Splinter Cell. :P Also I guess he knows 'Failed Lawyer's career is about to die' so its a rush to do as much damage as possible, but.... 404 FUNNY METAPHOR NOT FOUND.
When will the men in the white suits bring him his complimentary straitjacket?
If, by some crazy twist of fate, he doesn't get disbarred, his actions against the Department of Defense and now the Omaha police chief are going to get him right back in front of the judge for another disbarment hearing.
I’m guessing it’s just a matter of time now before he concocts some crazy scheme to blame the Crusades on video games.
So, not only is it "obvious" that GTA directly causes violent tendencies in adolescents, but now it would seem "obvious" that all teenagers are playing GTA 24/7. This is the same claim as that made of Cho Sueng Hui: mere hours after the Virginia Tech shooting, Jack was on Fox claiming that they would find that Cho was a Counter-Strike gamer.
What madness is this? First the fallacy that violent games make people homicidal, and now he's claiming that all homicidal people were at some time playing games? That because he killed people, he "obviously" played Grand Theft Auto?
Cmon, Jack. If the game is so "wildly popular" among teens and "obviously" causes teens to murder people, why hasn't the whole country been taken hostage by them yet? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that allows you to claim that "anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction"? Your arguments just do not add up.
I doubt Ted Kaczynski trained himself to make bombs on Operation. Seeing as there is no undeniable proof whatsoever of ANY past murders being directly caused by video games, I don't see where you come up with your bull.
He's just taking a few last gasps to keep his name in the press until his disbarment disgraces him.
What do the rest of you think?
Also grand theft auto simply gives you the OPTION of gonig on a rampage in a mall, true sometimes it's required to get 100% completion but they don't require hours of shooting unless the player fails constantly (which shouldn't happen if they are obsessed with the game as you say). The player has to CHOOSE to spend hours upon hours killing pedestrians in the mall, and there is very little incentive to do so (except petty cash that can be obtained through other legal means in the game). Next grand theft auto has never given you the option of shooting yourself for any reason whatsoever so there must have been some other influence.
But wait let's look at his suicide note, he wanted to stop being a burden and he wanted to take out "a few pieces of shit" with him. Now if you play the games you would know that at no time does grand theft auto even suggest that random pedestrians are evil and deserve to die. Some may argue that the game devalues the lives of random people, that it makes the lives of random passerbys (sp?) seem worthless. But he wasn't doing this for fun, he was doing this because he thought they deserved to go down with him, that they were despicable pests. There is nothing in the game though that could even remotely suggest this so there MUST have been some other much greater influence in his life.
In other words you are wrong Mr. Thompson, now please stop acting like the entire world is out to protect the evil game companies it just makes you seem paranoid (hence the mental health examination).
Thanks for the reminder. I can't believe I forgot about that.
A desperate human being is what Thompson is. A sad, desperate, tantrum-throwing person who does not care about the families of those who did not come home from the Omaha Mall massacre, the Virginia Tech massacre, or from other horrifying tragedies. He only cares about himself and his (worthless) cause. Registered Republicans, conservatives, Church goers, and lawyers should be embarrased by this imbicile.
I also don't think that Jack knows that the mall shooter's parents allegedly sheilded him from games, rock music, and TV.
However, apparently Jack is throwing a hissyfit and acting like a spoiled brat since he wasn't asked to be on TV for this. So now we know what happens: if he isn't asked to be involved in any way, shape or form with any kind of shooting rampage, he'll force the issue and deliberately try to insert himself into it. And when he doesn't get his way he lashes out; resorting to his preferred tactic of using the law like a blunt instrument.
Really, they should yank his license for this alone. It shows just how crazy and desperate he is. I hope Chief Warren does throw his ass in jail for this, if only to make a point.
Although I guess it could be called cruel and unusual punishment.
"I also don’t think that Jack knows that the mall shooter’s parents allegedly sheilded him from games, rock music, and TV."
Of course they didn't! It's all just a coverup by the videogame industry, Take 2, and the ECA!
@Austin Lewis:
I thought letting him keep it was punshiment enough. :P
"These [rampages] have occurred, in part… because of the advent of extremely violent interactive media (video games) consumed by adolescents and teens who use these murder simulation devices to rehearse and prepare for these murderous assaults."
Proof please.
"Some of the Grand Theft Auto games, which are wildly popular among individuals such as Robert Hawkins, feature what are known as “mall rampages” by which the player can rehearse, for hours on end, entering shopping malls and shooting at random individuals therein."
I've never heard the term "mall rampage" used in any game. Now Jack is just making shit up. Well that is moreso than usual.
"Anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction…"
A direct causal link has never been established. More lies.
"The defendant Police Chief of Omaha, apparently learning nothing from more than a decade of such incidents linked to violent video games, refuses to provide to Thompson, nor apparently to anyone else, the inventory list of items taken, by search warrant, from Robert Hawkins’ residence."
Thats because no incidents have been linked to violent video games outside of Jack's twisted noggin.
"Thompson has served a written request, pursuant to Nebraska Statute 84-712, upon Police Chief Thomas Warren, and he refuses to comply with his legal duty, under Nebraska law, to provide the inventory."
Prepare for more legal disappointment Jack.
"In refusing to comply with the law, defendant Warren demonstrably puts at public safety risk residents of Nebraska and elsewhere… "
Proof please.
"I am… well on my way to destroying [GTA publisher] Take-Two. Tonight’s broadcast is just part of the plan."
Has anyone been keeping track just how many times Jack has stated that X act would destroy Take-Two?
I think your thinking of the colorado church shooter. The omaha shooter was the one that was in/out of foster care for years, and was living with a friend.
Jack Thompson is nothing more than a crybaby who should just shut up and practice what he preaches abut growing up and getting a life.
And that's why in 2015 the justice system works quickly now that they've abolished all lawyers!
IF YOU REALLY THINK VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES PRODUCE VIOLENT OFFENDERS, TAKE ARE HARD LOOK AT JAPAN. JAPAN BEING THE GAMING MECCA BUT ONLY REFLECTS AROUND 50 MURDERS A YEAR. WITH THAT MANY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES OVER THERE, WHY DO THEY HAVE A LOWER CRIME RATE THEN AMERICA TEN FOLD? THERE ARE PLENTY OF MURDERS, RAPIST, AND DRUG DEALERS IN PRISON, HAS IT EVER ACCORD TO YOU TO ASK THEM WHY? PROBABLY NOT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE TO MUCH SENSE, PLUS THEY WILL NOT LABEL VIDEO GAMES AS AN ATTRIBUTING FACTOR.
YOU NEED TO QUIT LEAVING IN A DREAM WORLD, AND START CARING ABOUT MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE: THE KKK, ARIAN BROTHER HOOD, AND BLACK PANTHER PARTY. THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE COMMITTED MORE CRIMES (EVEN BEFORE VIDEO GAMES) THEN YOU OBJECTIONABLE HYPOTHESIS WILL EVER HAVE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A GAMING HATE CLAN, HAVE YOU (YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN PLAY GAMES, SO YOU WOULD NOT KNOW FIRST HAND)? EVERY GAMING CLAN I HAVE SEEN HAS RULES OF RESPECT NOT OF VIOLENCE.
IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH VIOLENCE IN GAMES, I AM PRETTY SURE GAMERS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO CLAM IT. WE COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS AN ANALOGY THE WAY I SEE IT.
JT: THOSE SHOES ARE UNCOMFORTABLE.
ME: EXCUSE ME!
JT: THOSE SHOES ARE UNCOMFORTABLE.
ME: NO THEY'RE NOT.
JT: YES THEY ARE.
ME: HAVE YOU EVER WORN THE SHOES.
JT: NO.
ME: THEN WHO DO YOU KNOW.
JT: I'M AN EXPERT.
And promote an ice hockey game between the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers and the 9/11 hijackers, with Thompson on the hijacker team.
lol its early yet. It'll hit 150 by this time tommorow.
Where is the FUCKING PROOF?!
Don't take it too hard Thompson, but when I read your court fillings, that's what I think of you.
First the Bar, then the Defence Department and now the police. Makes me think he really wants to go out with a bang.
Sorry Jack, but you'll be known as the most unsuccessful lawyer of all time, and the greatest egomaniac windbag.
http://www.ketv.com/news/14942590/detail.html
oh noes, they got to them too!
It would appear that jack has detoured farther from reality then even I anticipated. Eventually jack, when you get disbarred, I worry about which happens first. You have a mental breakdown and get committed, or you go on a rampage and prove the game industry right once and for all.
Either way, I'll be happy that your gone and won't be an insult to intelligence anymore.
As for everyone else here and GP, Hi all, happy holidays, nice to see you again. Take care and have a happy new year.
"Anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction…"
No, it's just you Jack, who is living in a dream world of your own construction.
Great. Now I can see a 30 minute sitcom about JT in a similiar style of Punky Bruster. I'm a horrible person.
But on a more serious note, expecting Jack to not beat his dead horse is like expecting... Jack to not beat his dead horse. Seriously. You got better odds that Miami will go 16-0 next year.
It'd be even more funnier if Colbert put Thompson on the "Dead to Me" board.
The stupidity points itself out here. The man is this much closer to getting disbarred. He's got nothing. Think about it, absolutely nothing. This may get to you, but in the end he won't succeed yet again. Take comfort in that.
Oh and a sidenote, I was upset by the Mike *uckabee thing because it was in the wake of Benazir Bhutto's assassination. A politicizing statement such as his in the wake of such a tragic event further seals this in my mind: He is not fit to be a national leader.
While Jack never ceases to amaze me, he just shot himself in the foot. His disbarment is pretty much assured. He could have waited it out, and maybe, just maybe, had a chance at a suspension and nothing more. Bravo Jackie.
YOU FAIL.
As Maddox would tell you, 7/16 of an inch is " the distance you'd have to move your pinky in order to not sound like an idiot". I will just tell you that it is a good way to make your comments down right unreadable.
@ Everyone
Sorry for trolling, but I like to read people's comment and caps lock is just downright unacceptable for that.
The shooting took place in Omaha, Nebraska...
Thompson resides in Miami, Florida....
And unless I've mistaken something, he has no license (let alone right) to practice law in Nebraska.
That and the fact that he has no evidence to prove that the shooter played any video games and that he's blatantly ignoring the fact that the said shooter had a big record of mental illness.
But I guess at this point it can go without any saying... :/
No-no Jack... at the very least, fight smarter, not harder. It's like you're a school bully who punches the first person he sees every day.
But really, I don't know what I hope to achieve by saying that; Jack doesn't care and there is a 99.9% chance that he is doomed anyway. Not to bring up the belief stuff again, but trust me when I say he doesn't even have God's support in all this, despite whatever religious claims he may make. (As if it wasn't obvious given his consistent failure.) Really, as Penny Arcade has said, God is metal and brings those blue sparks in Mario Kart: Double Dash; he doesn't hate everyone on the planet like Jack seems to.
I should also say something more original while I'm here... hm...
How about this: If Jack was a Jedi, Darth Vader would be proud of his turn to The Dark Side.
@Jack, wherever you are: Determining what motivated the killings and how they were allowed to happen is police work. You're not a policeman. So stop telling the policemen how to do their job.
Anyone who believes in a direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction...
These things are rare, it's just that the media just loves to leech off of them for weeks on end.
@Bobby
First off use caps locks
Secondly as much as I would hate to derail this topic into the race issue when did the arian brotherhood kkk or black panthers become a problem again? As far as I know most of them have disbanded or at the very least are so small they are no longer a threat.
I sincerely apologize for the error. Thanks for the clarification.
Seriously, I'm taking those bets right now, and I will in fact pay those who take the bet. Anyone feeling brave?
umm i wouldnt talk to jt anymore who know what kind of brain damage you might suffer if you listen long enough
Fox News (or Noise) might as well hire Thompson. One of their legal analysts, Mark Fhurman, dropped the N-bomb repeatedly during O.J. Simpson's 1995 trial, which I think led to his acquittal.
Stop screaming.
50:1 odds? Are you kidding I'd give it at least 100:1 odds unless he gives in out of fear and nothing more.
@GP,
so when, exactly, does Thompson's continued attempts to bypass your bans become cyberstalking?
Note that Infinite is not acceptable
Clearly, the things that we know about Thompson is far different than what the mainstream public sees. We need to be able to show that the gaming culture can be positive towards american society and can be beneficial. It's how deaf people and Deaf culture got the mainstream eye when they marched at Galladuet university for the "Deaf President Now" movement.
Although it's not ALL about Thompson, we need to approach the public about him. It can't be done in a libel and slanderous way, but we can be the other perspective, the other part of that argument. I don't want to hear from a professor, I'd rather hear from a credible gamer on telivison who can provide a great arguement and point out things.
Our gamer initiative goes beyond Jack Thompson. We need to be able to show the public that we are credible and respectible people, restore our image that he has broken down and move beyond Jack Thompson and inform our public correctly. We should hold debates, speakings (people from the industry, credible psychologists, credible lawyers) that should focus on the legality, morality and design of videogames.
I have always had three questions about videogames and politics. I have no true answers to any of them. I think the answers, at least in part lie with the public opinion.
Within what boundaries are videogames legal? (This has been a nagging question of mine since discovering gamepolitics and reading about videogames bannings in the U.S., UK Austrailia, etc.)
Are videogames moral?
Is videogame design considered art?
I know a friend that I am going to talk to make videogames a central subject on a radio station in a small town. I want to see our rights supported much more strongly.
The next time on Jack Thompson's legalass theatre...
In all seriousness, the guy is loosing it, too many "assassination" attempts from gamers I guess...
I hope that he has his own website where people could challenge him. THAT WOULD BE FUN.
Gamers, Inc has been selling value video games in Omaha and across the Midwest for over 14 years. People here look to us as THE place to purchase new and used video games. Never has a local incident shocked the hearts, minds, and souls of so many Nebraskans as this recent shooting at the Von Maur store in the Westroads Mall. It is very disheartening that Jack Thompson would use this horrific, heartbreaking event to further his agenda.
Jack Thompson is trying to make the facts conform to his mission or “crusade” instead of having his mission conform to the facts of the matter.
-There is no causal link between video games and participating in real-world violent acts. For example ANY one who consumes alcohol heavily will experience an impairment regarding operating a motor vehicle. There is a causal link here. However not everyone who plays video games acts out violently. There is no causal link here.
-People do not train on video games anymore than I could train to be an attorney by playing the video game, Phoenix Wright, or could train to be a mob boss by watching the Sopranos.
-Video games are INTERACTIVE media. I am playing a GAME. Since I am interacting, I know it is not real.
-Since the advent of video games into mainstream, violent crimes have gone down. We believe this is due to people being able to act out their aggressions in the virtual world as opposed to the real world. If I ever have a rough day, I pop in Call of Duty 4 (game of choice at the moment) and finish my day refreshed.
- This killer had several issues with theft, drugs, isolation, and parental abandonment. With this large stack of issues, it seems futile to look at the shooter’s video game habits. What is next, finding out what this shooter ate? I see a much greater correlation between shootings and lack of parental restraints and supervision than with shootings and video games.
I wish that Jack would see this issue for what it really is and seek to find/ fix the true causes of these tragic events instead of trying to distort the facts to blame video games. If Jack wishes, he can contact me as I would love to explain to him how he is helping to create more incidents by allowing sub par parents to focus on a scapegoat in video games instead of examining their own parental shortcomings. Dennis has all my contact information.
We've got to stop MILK!
Another note I forgot to add. A large portion of our proceeds of all Wii Bundles sold this holiday season in Omaha are being donated by us (Gamers, Inc.) to the Von Maur Victim's Fund.
Yet another way that video games are helping others!
All good points mate. Except.... well we ARE dealing with JBT here. N Ot exacly Man of the Year materal. All the other issues relating are not of interest to him after he heard (or even not heard but imagined) games. He is sueing for money and possibly for fame. He is trying to do to games what other lawyers did to big tobacco.
His normal rant includes his line about how "M" rated games are being sold to minors. ie Have to save the kiddies. Except he has shown that he does not much care for or about children. Only the games and the money they can bring him.
While I admire your desire to speak with consider his statement when attempting to sue for the records.
"Anyone in law enforcement who does not understand or care to understand the direct causal link between violent video game play and these types of random killing events is living in a dream world of his or her own construction…"
Megalomania at its finest. He is right the rest of the world (those that do not agree with him or admit he is right) is wrong. Besides you are a gamer and according to JBT sub-human at best and not worthy of his time.
I would love to be the first to volunteer for the position of ECA spokesperson! In fact, I was talking with Hal about it at the VGXpo last October as I have a degree in Mass Communication, I'm articulate and have an excellent speaking voice. Personally I was thinking more in the direction of voiceovers for any commercials or PSA's they might want to do, but a spokesperson position sounds great too. And even though CT is a few states away from me, it would be worth the trip to audition.
I would vote for/support you as spokesman. Hell you have been in the same room and within striking distance of JBT and he can still walk (and sue) Only I wonder, JBT has proven not to hear anything he does not .want to so would it be worth the effort?
@Cheese
I am betting 16 on that one. He can do just that much damage before he has to convince someone else to do it for him.
Sorry if it seems like I am yelling. All caps is a military format in which I am use to. If you read maddox's book, he goes on to say that even though all caps seems like yelling, it is a lot easier to read.
@ Father Time
Are you from Mississippi? I would think not. Also ask the people in illinous and california. I am sure they would tell you other wise. Just because they don't show it on tv, doesn't mean it's not arround.
@ MacBoy
Please don't use mac in your name. Apple is well known for not supporting third party aps and video games. A lot of these guys are pc gamers, and hate the very thought of owning a mac because of that.
This is an analogy the way I see it.
JT: Those shoes are uncomfortable.
Me: Excuse me!
JT: Those shoes are uncomfortable.
Me: No they're not.
JT: Yes they are.
Me: Have you ever worn these shoes.
JT: No.
Me: Then how do you know.
JT: I’m an EXPERT.
Is that better.
I have played this game myself. I have not since been inclined to engage in a mall shooting whatsoever nor do I feel better trained to conduct a mass shooting in a mall. I am sure the vast majority of those who purchased this title are the same.
This Christmas I played Guitar Hero 3 on the Xbox 360. I then attempted to play a real guitar immediately after (no joke). Let's just say I will be sticking to Guitar Hero. My real guitar playing skills are no better than Yoko Ono's singing skills (sorry to offend anyone). I suppose Guitar Hero failed to train me.
Well I am off to play Sim City in the hopes that it will train me to be mayor of Candyland (come on, who wouldn't like that job)!
JUST
F***
OFF!
Hey, wanna lump Call of Duty 4 into this "conspiracy"!? If thats the case, i am very well fucking trained, so just send me off to Iraq and i will have Osamas head on a spit by morning! Im saying this also in response to his attacks on "modern themed" fps's.
In case you didnt get the message before, let me say it again:
JUST
F***
OFF!
(dont take what i said at face value, but realise the main point, please. i dont mean to stir up trouble)
Even if they find out that he played some violent games SO WHAT.
Evidently he did not play them that much since no one that knew Hawkins came forward about him constantly playing violent games after these few weeks. So far it seems like millions of people have spent alot more time playing violent video games than Hawkins and has not gone on a rampage and yet you would use this as an excuse to get your way.
Even if he had any of the Grand Theft Auto games it would be pointless for an attack on video games because you do not need to be the smartest person to know that a mall would be a big target for a rampage.
You have nothing to go by on this situation so you would just make more lies and talk about the 2005 study by which there is alot of studies that prove that violent video games do not cause people to be more violent.
I agree, lets sue Jack Tompson. I am pretty sure there is something we can sue him about, he does it all the time with out any proof. We can too.
Oh, and I was the one on the news last night about this in Omaha, not any of you. Is this a great country, or what?
http://www.ketv.com/news/14942590/detail.html
As to the retailer\'s expertise, not so much:
http://www.apa.org/releases/videoviolence05.html
Hooah!
GP: I'm allowing this post to escape the spam filter... However, his general posting priveleges have not been restored.
You know I hope the word gets out in Omaha on this and folks stand up for the police chief (which I am sure they will). Folks there need to know what kind of "man" JT really is. Open his history of frivoulous lawsuits and his current disbarrment hearing to the public in Omaha and let them see that this kind of massacre chasing is what JT is known for. I feel very sorry that the victims families are going to have to put up with his crazy antics in their times of sorrow.
My question is what does the AG of Nebraska think of this? Has GP or any others called him to get his statement?
The poilce chief will win in the end (of course) and we all just have to hope tha this little stunt of JT's doesn't waste valuable time/resources fromt eh police department that could be spent in fighting ACTUAL crime....not imaginary ones.
lowest homicide rate in 40 years in two of the biggest cities in the United States.
Yup, video games are destroying america...one non-existent crime at a time.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318866,00.html
"Does anyone else find it odd that Jack Thompson intends on exposing the truth by impeding an official police investigation?!?
Another note I forgot to add. A large portion of our proceeds of all Wii Bundles sold this holiday season in Omaha are being donated by us (Gamers, Inc.) to the Von Maur Victim’s Fund.
Yet another way that video games are helping others! "
Surprising that JT tries to impede an ongoing investigation? Nope, not in the least surprising, take a look at his past antics. This is basically Step #1 in his "To Do" book whenever a tragedy like this appears. he will make a few more outrageous claims/accusations/filings. When they are all summarily dismissed he will sit back and wait for the next high profile tragedy to occur. Its like clockwork for him.
I'm glad to see gamers stepping in to help the family recover from their loss. Stike another victory for the gaming community!!!
You couldn't make this stuff up.
You know, you would reckon that this mall had what two, three game stores? Following JTs logic to its un-natural conclusion, you would expect at least one of them to start shooting back.
Honestly, The Industry should give him a job just for the comedic value of his rants. You know you'd take it Jack;.
He makes it sound as if some game console is going to jump off the shelf and go on a serial-murder spree if he doesn't get what he wants... LOL!
I'm sorry, Jack, but even if he did have a video game console, at this point that's like saying he had a pillow, or a kitchen, or a toothbrush. Games are everywhere - on the PC, on consoles, cellphones, hand-helds... if he had games, or played them, would prove nothing.
If Mr. Thompson really wants to keep his license to practice law, he should lie low and do actual homework. He's worse than an ambulance chaser when it comes to things like this. Not only that, lets add in the fact that in direct opposition of thousands of gamers, he could not produce one true iota of evidence. Give the VT shootings, Cho did not play violent video games. Using counter strike to train your heart rate to go down? Has there actually been any study done to see if that actually is real? Lets see what else, the quaint litttle fiasco with Take Two where he tried to sue them left and right. Last time I heard, he was on the ropes with them and they settled and Mr. Thompson if I remember correctly was to not directly come into contact lawsuit wise with Take Two, that he could only advise on lawsuits.
Next step on the amazing crusade of Mr. Thompson, saying that the game industry made of many honest hard working artists, programmers, designers, developers, retailers and whatnot are working together to try and bring down Mr. Thompson by paying off key judges and people in power? If that's real then why the heck did he try to order that the Florida Bar remove themselves from possbily disbarring Mr Thompson. Oh, wait now I remember. It's because they hold the keys to whether he can "legally" practice law. From what I heard, the gaming industry is not corrupt and that we have some controversial, renegade companies that create some very violent video games, but paying off judges to try and get it to pass snuff and otherwise strike down the lawsuits of Mr. Thompson? I think not.
All in all, this man is grasping at straws and to say that he is on a moral crusade is ill gotten at best. Rather than opt for more educational means and let the parents, I mean truly let the parents decide, he wants to opt for eduation. Everyone is out to get this man and I am amazingly surprised he would even try to sue an officer of the law. Let alone the Chief of Police of Omaha. Who boy, after all this red tape, this is going to be an ulcer waiting to happen.
Like I said before in my previous posts, Bring it on Thompson, we have the ECA, the VGVN, and the ESRB backing us gamers up. We are ready to fight and step up and defend our rights.
Of course, some other guy did that on another thread...
Anyway, in all fairness, there was a mall shooting mission where you were to kill 100 Scientists. Who would ultimately shoot back at you.
In GTA2.
That game was *before* GTA got its sheer popularity, I believe. And that was a top-down game too.
lets not forget zombies ate my neighbors there was a lot of mall shooting in that.....and 30 foot tall babies....and zombies..... and things......
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2503/geek792748ra8.jpg
now are you sure you dont want to preserve your ego and be paranoid about something a little more threatning? do you really think people like john carmack who helped develop the most popular "murder simulator" in history are trying to corrupt your children? its one thing to be afraid of something you dont have any clue about but come on man, gamers? you fear for your life because of GAMERS? grow a pair.
I pray to god that my mind never degrades to the point it's like jack thompsons.
I never want to think in that level of logic. ever.
So basically you're stating that if they don't believe you then they are wrong. Am I reading this correctly?
He was mentally unstable, not because of video games, you waste of carbon material.
You have yet to link anything to video games in any case, but continue to waste the time of our legal system with your nonsense claims of video games being the prime evil of today's society. Seriously just stop, you're going into the realm of being pathetic in your attempts to prove this stupid point of yours. YOU are wrong, Jack.
If my mental facilities ever degrade to the point where I am comperable to Jack Thompson, pull the plug.
Now that I'm thinking about it, Crackpot is an excellent term for him.
But now that he is lashing out against the Federal Government itself lets just hope he gets his just desserts.
Lets not forget JT once falsely claimed to be in touch with law enforcement in another youth violence incident. At least he's not doing that again.
Not being any video games present has not stopped Jack in the case of Virginia Tech. And even if the Mall shooter's room has more games than Gamestop it still doesn't prove anything outside of the world constructed in Jack's sick fantasy land.
Anyone ever heard of this feature? In any game, let alone GTA?
Anyone?
No?
Is there even a mall in GTA? I recall being able to go inside some buildings but most of the game takes place outside. I don't recall a mall mission or a mall for that matter.
Dead Rising is the closest "mall rampage" game I can think of.
I think one of the stages in Zombies Ate My Neighbors had a mall too.
Did either Postal game have a mall?
Andrew Eisen
P.S. - True Lies for the SNES had a mall stage. Every time you fired a shot, innocent bystanders would fling themselves to the ground in fear. I liked putting land mines (or some bomb thing) in front of them and then firing a shot in the air. Fun for all ages.
it seems Mr. Thompson likes to bandy about his attorney status while failing to mention he's currently under disbarment proceedings as the person i talked to was well aware of Thompson but not so much what's going on in Florida with him.
First he threatens to go after DoD and now he's suing a police chief over documents he's not obligated to provide to the public.
Who the hell threatens the DoD? A mentally unstable person does.
Sooner or later, SOMEBODY is going to take that literally...
I never played GTA III, but I do know there's a mall in Vice City and quite possibly San Andreas. And yes, if you want to you can go in and shoot up the place. I do know there's a mission in Vice City that requires you to go into a mall, but shooting civilians isn't the goal. You're supposed to rendezvous with a guy when you're attacked by a SWAT team. Then the guy runs off and you have to chase him. If any civvies do get killed, it's collateral damage and only serves to raise your wanted level. If there are any other mall missions, they're optional and you only have to kill gang members.
So once more, Jack picks and chooses his facts, just like he gets it wrong when he says your goal in GTA is to kill cops. I even yelled at him at the debate that you can't win the game if you kill cops, but no doubt it fell on deaf ears. The level of willful ignorance on this man's part is infuriating.
I have to restate again that this is a battle for public opinion. I don't think Jack really cares whether he wins or loses court battles, how much his lawsuits gum up the wheels of justice or how much money it costs the taxpayers any more than he cares about the children he claims to want to "protect." All he cares about at this point is how much he can besmirch, blacken and demonize the reputation of video games in the eyes of the general public and get his name out there in the process.
In this respect, I think he has more in common with Joseph McCarthy than Frederic Wertham (who actually believed he was doing some good and didn't have as much malicious intent as Jack does). Although I still stand by my own analogies to Jim Jones and Mrs. Carmody.
Also, dugg.
"Oh, and I was the one on the news last night about this in Omaha, not any of you. Is this a great country, or what?"
Maybe it's because nobody in Omaha cared. It's not like getting 5 seconds of airtime means anything. They weren't ASKING for you. YOU went to THEM. Last i checked, tooting one's own horn isn't seen as very noble.
You're like a little child on a sugar high when you see half of your face in a picture in the newpaper, like you're suddenly a famous person. THAT is living in a dream world, Mr. Thompson. You once called Dennis only chronologically over 18 years old. Take a look in the mirror for once in your life.
I'm a Lawyer and Your not!
I was on TV and You weren't!
I got tarred-and-feathered in public and you didn't!
Hooah!
[jack mode off]
Why doesn't Jack pick on the real video games that are threats? like Barbie's Pony Adventures or something?
I never said suing as a counter to his bullshit, because that would only lower us to HIS level.
@JBT:
Thank you for posting, i needed something to lighten up my day. Every time i read your misspelled comments (seriously, what the fuck is up with your constant use of back slashes?) i feel all warm and fuzzy inside, mainly due to me laughing my arse off. and seriously, who gives a rats ass if you were on the news?
I don't see this going too well for ole John Bruce.
Sounds to me that if someone needs to learn the difference between reality and video games - it's Jack Thompson.
I play GTA - and have yet to go shooting up people in a mall. I'm positive I won't either.
Yes, this is a great country, where police know not to give into self important hearse chasing psychopaths like you.
By the way, being self important isn't the same as actually being important.
Then I guess something like a game-in would work.
well to be fair, the people at Game Politics have very likely "trained" thousands of hours of lawyering via Phoenix Wright...
where else would Thompson go to get expert legal advice?
It is a criminal investigation even if the perp kills himself. The Omaha police are currently investigating the matter as a murder-suicide.
There are 6.6 billion people on Earth and 6,599,999,999 people don't care whether you were on TV in Omaha, Nebraska for at most 15 seconds. Big deal. Jacky Boy, you're no different than Britney Spears(don't care how negatively you were portrayed, just that your name's out there).
Practice what you preach, jabroni: Grow up and get a life.
Did you know that Final Fantasy has trained me to be ready to ride large yellow birds, cast destructive and restorative magics, become an expert at swordplay even if I have no experience with an actual sword, summon mythical beasts of immense power, and save the world in about a day?
That's the "direct casual link" that that game has had on my life.
But Kyle's mom lightened up after the SP movie. Jack has been on this ridiculous chase since the late 90s.
he starts this "writ" sounding all official, but not even halfway through he's citing anecdotes and lies.
also: omg, he's spreading his filth to local news stations now. WHAT does he expect them to do with it? tear it apart?! ha ha ha.
@dragonknight
I still remember the episode where in an attempt to stock terrance and phillip, kyle's mom and a bunch of parents launched them selves from a giant slingshot at the building of the tv station. lolled at that so long.
Unlike you, some people like to actually have thorough research without resorting to kneejerk reactions. There's an investigation because they want to make sure they have all of the evidence and the facts of what happened. Clearly a novel idea for you, but it's one you should consider.
"Dennis is absolutely correct: He\’s \”confused.\” There is no criminal investigation. The perpetrator is dead. Can\’t prosecute a dead man."
They are investigating a crime, what's so hard to understand about this?
JT once again proves himself to be a pathetic old man.
It should be set where a rampage happened in South Park and Jack Thompson goes to blame the rampage on video games and then manipulate people into thinking that video games cause all the youth violence by lying. At the end of the cartoon the community finds out that Jack Thompson lied and gets revenge.
I would record that episode and watch it repeatedly.
I wonder why Jack Thompson never petitioned to ban "The Turner Diaries". That book "obviously" caused the Oklahoma City Bombing (according to media sources, the book specifically mentions the destruction of a federal building). It's the same thing he is proposing when states that Grand Theft Auto leads to mall rampages, right?
Yeah. They both fail at geography!
Let me clue you in. Being on the news is NOT an indicator ofbeing correct. Some of the most racist, vile, horrid, and disgusting ideals get spouted off on television. Anti-abortionists talking about destroying clinics, skinheads rambling on about killing black people, and backwards, narrowminded little men like you all make it on the news.
You want to impress us? Win an award in psychology, since you and David Grossman are so OBVIOUSLY "experts" in that field. Win the acclaim and audulation of the jurisprudence community (I don't see that one happening, seeing as they want you disbarred). Even better, go become the martyr you so desperately want to be and get shot by someone. When it turns out HE doesn't play games either, you can go ahead and keep rattling off your "List o' Facts" about games, even though we've all shown, time and again, that they're just lies and distorted truths.
Until you manage any of that, you're nothing more than a misanthropic old man. End of Story.
JT, we have ennough people trying to make our country become wussies with all this touchy/feelly crap, we don't need your help. Grow some, and be a man. When children are sheltered their whole life, what happens to them when they face a situation that they have never faced before. Look at that 23 year old "kid" that wasn't allowed to do anything, you saw how that turned out.
Be a man, parents are responsible for their own kids. Not you, not the government. Those are the facts, deal with it.
EZK: Please don't post other people's emails.
2+2= ; )
And as usual, Jack fails at Law 101 by simply not reading the full Nebraska statute. If there's an ongoing investigation, the records are to remain sealed.
The fact that the perpetrator is dead is irrelevant.
There is no compelling reason to have the information RIGHT NOW THIS VERY MOMENT, Jack. Except maybe that you won't have a law license in a month, I guess, but that's not a legally sound reason.
Please don't e-mail Jack. It just gives him more anti-gamer ammunition.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Write a hundred times on a blackboard: "Pretending to be someone's sockpuppet is bad and I deserve to recieve a chainsaw to the genitalia."
@ Topic,
Well well, this sure does look like an interesting turn of fate. Turn? No, it just keep going in a straight line...
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/All/07D079003898F95585256A830051348B...
Witness: No sir.
Jack Thompson: Did you take his pulse?
Witness: No sir.
Jack Thompson: Then how did you know the victim was dead?
Witness: Because his brain was in a jar on my desk.
Jack Thompson: Well, since you did not take a pulse, could the victim still have been alive nevertheless?
Witness: Yes. I suppose he could have still been alive... And practicing law.
Have you ever stopped, for one single moment, and thought about what the hell you're doing? No? Thought as much.
The truth about you, Mr. Thompson, is that you're a complete, total and unwavering jackass. Not once have you doubted yourself, and i don't think you ever will. But realise this: IT'S OVER. You won't get more media coverage. You will never again be called as an "expert" on TV shows. You will never again be able to make slanderous lawsuits against video game companies, distributors and whatnot.
What you seem to have failed to notice is that it isn't the government's responsibility to raise children, nor is it the responsibility of any person in the governmental hierarchy. The responsibility lies with the parents, and the parents alone. You can NOT blame videogames every single time some nutcase decides to go bananas in a public location of his choice, UNLESS research has PROVEN that videogames did contribute to the tragedy. Which, to this date, has not happened.
When i was at the local gamemonger a couple of weeks ago, i saw a man come walking in with his kid. The boy couldn't have been more than 10 years old, 11 at most. He walked around the store a bit, and finally decided on Gears of War. He walked up to the disk, and the clerk stated "You're not gonna let your kid play that, are you?". The man replied that he wouldn't play the game while his kid was watching, nor would he let him play it. This, more than anything, proves that gamers, contrary to what you apparently believe, do in fact have souls.
Now you may discard these comments. You may ignore them. You may take heed and actually start thinking, though i doubt that will ever happen. I know there's a gap between the generations right now, and me, being 16 years of age recently, do not know much of the world and the way it works yet. What i do know, however, is how to differ between real, backed up fact and slanderous ranting based on one's own twisted worldly views.
Also, i have a hypothesis about your mental condition. I suffer from Aspberger's Syndrome, a mental condition that is often overlooked by mental health diagnoses. I can't really describe it, but sufficient to say you don't think the way other people do and you often have problems with social interaction and understanding other peoples' feelings. Einstein had it. Stalin and Hitler were both suffering from it. A great man and two of the most evil bastards to have ever walked the earth, but all geniuses nonetheless, in their own way. I'm no expert on the subject (and i don't think you are either), but from what I've seen of you I would, even with my amateur status, consider you as suffering from Aspbergers.
I don't want you to be offended by this, as i have nothing against you personally, only against the way you have acted and still do. Here's hoping that you actually grow a pair, start doing your research on matters, and maybe you'll be a worthy opponent for the gaming community at large. An opponent that STILL won't be able to do anything, but at least an opponent who can formulate intelligent answers. Because right now, it's not a challenge, it's not fun. I could as well try discussing quantum physics with my 5-year-old nephew.
Last but not least, i would like to state that I'm playing violent video games, and i am proud of it. I've thought of harming other people, sure, but never have i had any thought about killing people, and i most certainly never will. Neither would my fellow members of the gaming community.
There, what started as a rant ended as a (hopefully) reasonable post. Here's hoping that '08 will be better than '07 was.
A late happy holidays and a happy new year to all!
Yep, unfortunately "good standing" doesn't mean much more than "has paid dues, hasn't called it quits, and isn't currently suspended. "
They really need to amend the definition of "good standing" so that it doesn't include those in the middle of disciplinary actions/being investigated for conduct reasons/currently defending license from being revoked.
It doesn't seem right to have someone that's suing the Bar in a desperate attempt to avoid suspension or disbarment, be able to claim to be in "Good Standing". Particularly when you consider that the definition of good standing used isn't likely to be widely known.
Posting Jack's email, and oh so passive-aggressively saying "Gee, I wonder what THIS is?" isn't going to accomplish squat.
1. Most of us have seen Jack's contact information a thousand times over. After all, he can't help drop it EVERY time he shares one of his 'press releases.' What you're showing us is nothing new.
2. GP, like another group out there, is not your personal army. Don't post Jack's info, expecting the entirety of GamePolitics to start crank calling him and ordering cheese pizzas in his name because...
3. Jack has a huge victim complex. If as much as a single person emails him with a hilarious 'lol ur dum', he calls the feds, locks down his house, and starts ranting on how those damn gamers are out to kill him again.
4. Efforts to get Jack's butt disbarred are already in effect. Calling/emailing him or the Florida Bar, or the FBI, or ANYONE else isn't going to make the process move any faster. In fact, depending on what you do, it may just make matters worse!
So seriously, people, just leave Jack alone. He'll be gone by the end of the next year, so long as you quit giving him ammo!
Leave Jack Alone!
Joke aside, what you said is exact. I don't think it will deter some people though. It's nearly impossible to reason with someone with the intertubes.
Leave Jack Alone!
Average GP reader response to something like that:
"You know, I think you're onto something"
Typical JT response to something like that:
tl;dr (besides it was written by a braindead retard gamer, there wasn't anything of any merit there anyway.)
Honestly its like arguing with a brick wall... they win every time. (Though that's probably insulting to the brick wall so, sorry.)
You're in a disbarrment trial. We're not.
*waves tiny flag*
Whoo! Aspie's unite!
*goes to watch Pats game*
You've gone far enough.
For the past two or so years, you've been linking youth-related crimes to video games, before you even find any evidence.
Remember the Jacob Robida case? The police found no evidence that he, like you said, played GTA. So what did you do then? You accused the police of hiding this evidence and verbally abusingly threatened to arrest the district attorney.
14 months later, a certain somebody did a certain thing at a certain university in Virginia. You insisted that the killer trained on Counter-Strike, yet his roommates and his family testified to the contrary. The only game the killer was ever reported to play was Sonic The Hedgehog. Your accusations that the killer trained on violent video games is an insult to him, his family, and his loved ones.
And now, this. You continue to ignore more important factors such as a killer's mental well-being (in this case, Hawkins was in a psychiatric ward for five years), a killer's past, and the killer's parents' treatment of him. For you, it's video game this, video game that. You are becoming to video games as late U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy was to Communism.
And how about this excerpt from CNN:
"This past summer, Hawkins tried to enlist in the U.S. Army but was turned down, a source familiar with the situation told CNN."
Hmm, you said something along the lines of the military training soldiers on video games at one point. Why do I get the feeling something isn't right here?
Please stop with these accusations, not only for the sake of all the gamers out there, but for yours as well. After all, you're under attack by your own bar, you wouldn't want to give them any more reasons to revoke your right to practice law, right?
He is a human like anyone else.
He's said way worse, so no, I don't. (I don't wanna soil my firefox with his wikiquotes bile, but if you wanna know what he really thinks of us, that's your best bet.)
Also, OBJECTION! The defendant is clearly not human, at least as far as I can tell.
I wonder if he's just trying to get ANY win he can to prove he's not a total loser, and since his twisted morality is only allowing him to go on a crusade against video games, he has to jump on any little thing he can, not realizing that video games are commonplace these days, making it almost impossible to prove causality between a well-known FPS and violence, particularly when there's far more compelling reasons, as there have been in all of the recent tragedies.
I expect to see many more outrageous claims to be sent out before the disbarment trial resumes; it's his last stand.
He's a human, yes, and no one here wishes him any sort of ill will. It doesn't mean we have to like him or respect him, since he doesn't do the same. You know the whole 'you recieve respect when you give it' thing? He doesn't even accept other people's respect, let alone respect anybody else. That's why i hope this guys loses his lisence to practice law as soon as possible and hope he gets help, because he's abusing the power he's been given over the past decade. Somebody needs to cool him down, and sooner rather than later.
I was just wanting to see comments of how you guys see him as a human and if you think that he should be shown any mercy.
Me, I do not think he should be shown any mercy if he is going to do all this nonsense that he does. He fiddle faddles with peoples lives and the images of the dead when he is bringing along this video game issue compared to the causes.
You reap what you sow.
McDonalds sued the two people and they won both cases.
When one thinks about it I don't see how this is different from what Jack Thompson is doing to Take Two. Plus after him stating he was "well on my way to destroying Take-Two." I don't see why they shouldn't sue him like McDonalds did.
(Sorry for posting twice)
of course if someone were to attempt harm on the man, i condemn it, but i could care less if he just stopped existing.
If you are reading this, I would like to tell you from the safety of my internetz, that you are an idiot.
Cheers, and have a good time being disbarred
-Glassbomb
And Vice City Stories has a mission where you go to that mall to film a zombie movie. First you shoot zombies, and then you take them down with a sword.
But then again, Hawkins wasn't offering protection. Or starring in a zombie film. So what can I say?
Also:
@mk8
"Do you guys think you are being a bit to hard on Jack Thompson?
He is a human like anyone else."
Thing is, he apparently doesn't deem US as humans. Back on the LiveJournal format, he said that "gamers are considered by normal people to be cretins" and that "'average gamer' and 'normal human' are mutually exclusive".
He'll never respect us, so why should we ever respect him?
Why respect him? So we can say that we're better than him in yet another way.
Oh yeah. I went there.
Considering how he handled the Flowers for Jack and his comments about that guy's chatboard suicide... No.
He is either unable or unwilling to believe that gamers are capable of civility.
I find it funny that He completely ignores the fact that his parents were entirely protective of the child and wouldn't let him have access to just about any sort of media whatsoever.
Hey, hey, i'm not like that woman on the first season of Survivor that went all 'I wouldn't help you if you were on the street begging for water.'
He just doesn't deserve to practice law. Like Dan said, he uses that status to fuel his stance that gamers somehow are not even sentient beings. It takes a lot of hard work to earn trust back, and so far he hasn't given any portion of his work toward gaining it.
If Jack is such a christian, shouldn't he know that wrath is a sin?
wouldn't be the first time he ignored obvious facts
Look at how much hate has consumed Jack.
If Jack is such a christian, shouldn’t he know that wrath is a sin?
For all that he claims to be a christian, it's pointless to consider him to be one given the way he acts. Also, wrath ain't his only sin, he's also pretty high up there with the sin of pride, with some greed thrown in as well.
A real man stands FOR something...not against something.
I've lost so many in fact that I can't think of anything else to say here.
Despite all of this I don't really feel contempt for Jack. I feel pity. I have come to believe that he is a very sick man in need of serious psychiatric attention. He displays paranoia and a total disconnection with reality. Why his family hasn't taken him to see a doctor I cannot understand. Truthfully I wish him all the best -- in a hospital somewhere with competent doctors who can give him the treatment he needs.
'Nuff said.
I thought the same thing. Why isn't JT arrested for some kind of obstruction of justice? His pathetic attempts at 'justice' are a waste of valuable time of real authorities.
It is patently obvious that the mall shooter was inspired by days/weeks spent practicing his rampage on the video game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, which features a mall with a rampage mission. Oh, by the way, did he own a copy of it?
Jack, there are more mall shootings in films than there are in games, so even if he was inspired by the media then the chances are it was a movie. What you've done here is started with a conclusion (GTA inspired the rampage) and are now trying to manufacture a link. If it later transpires that he had played Vice City (and only Vice City; there are no other malls in the GTA series) then you will assume victory because you have found that he might have played the mall rampage mission in the game.
In your crazy world, Jack, you simply need to find a single correlation to prove a theory. In the real world people need to find the correct causational link. And here is the main problem with your quest:
Games cannot cause anyone to do anything.
The most powerful media influence out there is the news. The right reports can encourage people to do things they wouldn't have done if they hadn't been told about it. Why is news coverage of mall shooters not responsible?
Someone's living in a dream world, but it ain't the police, Jack.
You're not alone, I too suffer from Asperger's syndrome. And Dan, our symptoms are exactly alike. Mine though, are also a bit more severe. Because of it I also have a single monotone voice, it can never change, and I am easily stressed, overwhelmed, or frustrated. I also am a perfectionist and used to be a germaphobe.
Just out of curiosity, how does one get over germaphobia?
"Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice."
More and more it looks like our favorite attorney is setting up gamers to be a false devil, something for people to be afraid of. I thought it was an interesting frame of thought and a good example of what he's trying to do.
(Sigh) Utterly deceptive twaddle, says I.
Doom lacks the ability to have the player look up or down, which would be crucial in any combat situation. Halo includes a wide variety of futuristic weapons that would be unavailable, and no normal-looking human targets. Yes, GTA does have a mall. But unless you are planning to Mod GTA to create your specific mall, (unlikely,) I have yet to see a mall in my town that looks anything like the one in GTA. Tactical? Not really.
I'll say it again, a slightly different way. GTA, Doom, Halo, these games have made me no more a killer than Mario Galaxy has made me an astronaut.
I just realized with these last two posts that I have been greatly off-topic. Sorry, but then again I was kinda happy to find out that there were other people here who had this condition besides me. No one I know where I live have it, so looking like a social outcast to everyone is really tough.
It makes me think though, that coming from the standpoint of one with a mental illness who is also a video gamer, I am now even more offended by Jack's actions. Some of these people who shoot up malls, schools, etc. were mentally unstable, and they needed help in the strongest way. I know that I would have lost it if not for my parents seeing what was wrong and getting me the help I needed. Hell, I might even have wound up killing myself. I was unravveling and couldn't control it. I was saved from the brink. I guess I should mention that my classmates treated me horribly in junior high as well, including someone writing I was gay on a desk with white-out (and that was one of the minor examples).
A lot of these people just need someone to talk to, someone to be there, someone to care. But they got shunned and ignored, and they passed their breaking point. Look at the real problem, not at the freaking $$$ Jack. Not everyone with a mental disorder is in a straight jacket in an insane asylum. I was saved, and these people need to be rescued too.
It honestly felt good to get that off my chest.
I answered your question, but went into a little rant about how "his" tirades aren't helping, and am coming close to telling my life story in a forum. I apologize for that. (I may have sparked my own nerve and am continually using up space talking about irrelevant material.. like now... damn) It is being modded (first time) at the moment and I am a little nervous. Does it hurt? lol
He doesn't have to put it up, but I don't think it was bannable.
What about the shooter at Texas A&M? Must have been all those video games in the 60's, eh?
Or maybe Charles Mansion? Again... same thing! Must have been!
Actually, I think it's a lack of care on the part of parents and a lack of faith in God anymore, to be quite frank - because, that's what's really changed. I played 'Army' as a kid without a Picture tube - really doesn't matter either way.
I agree with your point without the faith in God thing. I'm somewhere around agnostic depending on the phase of the moon and I only want to destroy the world.
I guess it could be fun if you did it like mad libs!
"(Tragic Event) has occurred before, as a result of violent games like (FOTM Violent Game), and are scientifically proven to happen again, per (outdated and/or debunked study). I was on (years-old television broadcast) where I proved it on national television, yet money-grubbing, child-hating people like (current ESRB President) and (current T2 president) continue to market their murder simulators to children everywhere, like those of (location of Tragic Event).
It is my God-given, Christian mission to take down these monsters, and nothing can stop me. (Exclamatory word/phrase the use of which is insulting to American troops)!
Jack Thompson
Caped Crusader of Morality"
"Be a man, parents are responsible for their own kids. Not you, not the government. Those are the facts, deal with it."
I've said it before and I'll say it again. JT follows this old axiom: if the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to approach every problem as if it were a nail. He has no knowledge of approaching problems other than the means that he has learned through his career.
Thanks man. I had been curious about that for a while - I always figured it would be psychological "therapy" instead of just correcting imbalances in the brain. Cool! :)
Shouldn't that be a good thing? Being that real life doesn't have an auto-aim/lock-on button, who wouldn't prefer to be attacked by someone who learned from a game instead of someone with actual skills and stuff?
And seeing as the loser only hit 12 people out of (at least) two thirty round mags, it doesn't look like his "training" was very effective either way..
and I quote:
"His mentor, John Muhammad, knew to indoctrinate Malvo in this fashion, as the Army sniper base at which Muhammad had spent some time used Halo for just that purpose to train snipers. "
Ok, Jack, One, there are so many reasons why this is wrong I can't even begin to start. Find a documentary on the Military channel about US or British sniper training schools, watch it SEVERAL times. They practice shooting at the range, not on an xbox you %$@#^&@$$% idiot!
Why? Simple. Since it's obvious you have never handled anything more deadly than a double bacon cheeseburger then I'll explain it to you. firing a weapon, particularly at long range is not just a matter of point and shoot, or even leading a target. One has to calculate windage, elevation, air temperature, barometric pressure and an assortment of other factors in order to put lead on target down range. Now, speaking from experiance from shooting on a US military range, I can tell you that they NEVER EVER practice marksmanship with a video game.
First off, weapons do not have zero weight. The M-16A2 assault rifle standard to the US military weighs in at 8.5 pounds. Now, that is relatively light, however when supporting it to aim your sight will 'float' over the target because of muscle fatigue, your own natural respiration, and from even your heart beat. It's inevitable, can't be changed. The only way to learn to compensate for this is to fire at the range, with a live weapon. Secondly, the recoil of a real weapon is nothing like the vibration pack of a controller. A rifle doesn't 'buzz' in your hand, it kicks your shoulder, and depending on the weapon it can be a light pop (M-16) to a knock you on your ass mule kick (M-82 Barret .50 cal).
Frankly, jack-ass, any police officer who read that would think you are a bloody lunatic, because they too have had to learn real world firing techniques. You cannot learn to be a 'sniper' as you say by playing Halo, Counter-strike, Soldier of Fortune, Call of Duty, Metal of Honor or whatever game you want to blame it on.
Since I know you are too bloody cowardly to even try, I won't ask you to go to the US Army Sniper school at Fort Benning, Georgia and ask them to see the video games they use to train on. I promise you they will laugh you out of there.
Perhaps you should look into profession medical care. You're delusions are getting worse, you frickin' Double D.
For the record. as a sign of a gamer being nice, if I ordered a cheese pizza to his house, i'd be nice enough to pay for it.
Why yes! Almost ANY brain-dead moron can get on television as long as they spout of long enough about a controversial topic. What a wonderful country it is.
Insightful counterpoint, dude. That said, this was nowhere near the first time Thompson said that bullshit about the Beltway Sniper. Plus he won't acknowledge that it was Mr. Muhammad who was the Beltway Sniper and not Mr. Malvo.
@ the Aspies
Uh guys, isn't a third of the interwebs mostly guys with some varient of autism (myself included)?
@ the honoured Anonymous
About your comment regarding reasoning with people on the net, hooray for Forced Anonymous. I guess.
That is unless the article doesn't exist in the archives because the statement was retracted. And if it was retracted that means it was an error.
Actually, you post the link here to the Washington Post article. If you can then I might not send an email to the police Chief exposing your lies.
Actually I think that he made it up (much like 100% of everything else that comes out of his as--er mouth.)
Yeah, and i might become inhumanly fast, learn to double jump, get a shotgun that can hold 45 shells at once, and get an English accent!
Probably because we try to be smarter than him... or you, for that matter.
I'm hoping a moderator will see your message soon, delete it and ban you. That kind of speech doesn't have it's place on Gamepolitics.
Jack Thompson said that he plays video games and I seen a short documentary that showed Jack Thompson in his house Playing Mortal Kombat Armageddon showing a news guy how you could create him in the create-a-character mode.
When interviewed at some video game event he said that he takes time to play games from Take-Two.
When he sent his son to buy Halo 3 I am wondering if Jack Thompson plays Halo 3 online.
Ben
I was born with a mild case of asperger's syndrome. Video games were in my childhood.
According to Hack Thompson, I should have grown into some deranged serial killer.
Did that happen?
Think carefully about what I have just said Mr. Thompson
Meteor A.K.A. Shadman Sakib Barno
14 year old with a working brain (and you're not)
Because then the lulz would go away
Which is all that really mattered.
Why do I play games? For the lulz.
Why does JT start shit with us gamers? For the lulz.
I could go on... but I have a New Years Party to crash in... 15 minutes! Shit! *runs off*
Well if they want to play games they came to the right adress, right?
There are votings coming this year in your country. So that is a good time to let those 'moralknights' know how yout think of them.
Howmany 18+ gamers are there in the US that can vote?
I bet it are millions. Correct me if i'm wrong :)
So use that vote well i would say!
I have heard about some churchshootings aswell. Those people that did it, didn't play violent videogames. But were instead devoted churchgoers. So what i don't get is:
Why all those people like thomson after such incidents DON'T blame the way of life of that killers, wich made them hatefull and kill people'.
And why they come in such situations NOT to the conclusion that their 'devoted' life was actually an immoral way of live that endangered the life health of other people and therefore shoul be illigal?
Because that is exacly the same as they say about gamers in my opinion and therefore they should count whit the same measure's right?
So anyone there who can tell me this?
a happy new (game) year to all.
Anyone can devote their life entirely to a cause. Anyone can waste many years on said cause. In today's fear-mongering media, if your cause fits, they will wear you. Congrats Jack, but I've seen plenty of stupid people on television. You're not special.
Oh, and I don't know if you were ever in the Marines, but stop with the "Hooah" thing. Poser.
I think it's funny that he sees a connection to the point that even when something else is obvious the case, he demands that it must have been video games because disturbed people like to play them. Here's a free clue, most teens like to play games, of all sorts. Therefore unless you are unlucky, you have a good chance that the teen had been playing games. Unfortunately, you are unlucky, so you only got a %50 hit rate right now.
I have an idea for you. Why not switch your target from videogames... to meat. Think about it... how many of these teens ate meat before their rampage? I bet all of them. This last guy ever worked at a place that SERVES meat! You can't get a better connection then that! I bet if you go back in the records, most of the serial killers have eaten meat. Obviously there is a connection. Now for the kicker... you would already have a built in, militant, support faction, Vegans! If you could get on Oprah with a message against red meat (she's hip to that) then you could convince a ton of brainwashed housewives all at once!
Ok, Jack, stop reading, I'm going to be talking to GP now...
GP... here is an idea for you. Every time Jack sends these writs and such... you need to send a similar one to the same person, slightly edited. For example, if he asks for the results of a search of the guys bedroom, you ask if the guy ate meat. A connection between meat and violence has the same logical connection, but a much higher hit rate, then the connection between video games and violence.
PS: No, I'm not against meat. I love meat.
@Dutch Gamer: I would like to vote, but I need to know where the candidates stand on Free Speech before I know who to vote for. Also, if anyone passes any laws against video games, they need to pass the same laws against movies. Saw series is so much worse then Manhunt series (in content, not quality) that it is rediculous. But no one is complaining about them.
Or Silent Scope... What? What's 'logic'? I wouldn't let the fact that the game wouldn't exist for what, 20-30 years stop him from making those accusations... :P
better hurry jackie you only have until spring...clocks a tickin
I know one of the reasons is ignorance and no understanding of the subject, but huge gaps like this are absurd. Having only played GTA 3 and VC, I find it absurd to use them as a form of "mall rampage" "training." People like him make such things out to be highly sophisticated military simulators, when all it is is the same old "shoot things" but takes place in an indoor environment.
And I don't think it takes any training for someone mentally unstable to just randomly shoot up some place....
You got the point of what i mean.
I think that a site like this (Gamepolitics.com) should do the information about the opinion of politics in cases like banning movies, games, freedom of speech, and so on.
If this information is easy to find on the net, all you gamers outthere can easily make their choice about the best candidate. But this only works in democracy when large numbers of voters will follow that advise.
Another thing here is that it will probably take some years before a group of individuals (in this case gamers) are used to the idea of voting in this way.
But imagine this: if impopulair laws make candidates loose alot of votings, let's say 10-20% in the polls, i can't imagine their campagne leaders and spindocters will say: Hey, let's force some new impolulair laws through the voters throat so they probably won't vote on you!
This will work only better and better in the future, because more and more gamers will reach the age wich allow them to vote. (And old senile people like that Thompson will die of age, so that group will become less and less in numbers each votings).
Some1 above here stated that you should find your way to the public and the media. That is indeed 1 way to make your point clear. It will change the opinion of alot people. But that won't be enough aslong politics make the laws.
So i should say combine those 2 things. Give information to the masses about what's gameing about. And give the gamers informations about where the politics stand at that topic.
When done correctly, it will be a very powerfull outcome, i'm sure.
And for the Eropean readers here, we should do the same thing ofcourse :)
Jack is a publicity seeker. Nothing more, nothing less. Hes like an American Idol contestant. No talent, but a desperation to be famous.
I just cannot believe my eyes, reading this post.
I can understand why such actions get ignored, they probably get all sorts of demands from mentally disturbed individuals who fancy themselves to be the worlds greatest detective....
Batty individuals aside, I'm glad that law enforcement and other investigators give these unqualified & biased individuals the cold shoulder... Until they cross the line and do something like this.
Exactly. This demand is coming from a man who consistently compares himself tom Batman and the biblical Jesus. Of course people aren't going to take him seriously.
Welcome to the party. Unfortunately you are a bit late. We've all come to that conclusion two or three years ago. You can still pick up a t-shirt, though! (No seriously, google it, you CAN still pick up a t-shirt.)
In fact, it's so obvious that even the stuffed shirts in the Fla. Bar have noticed it. We are all just waiting to see what their descision is.
They'd eat batteries like there's no tomorrow, especially Thompson's, LOL.
I always thought that lawyers who ran to the scene of airline crashes were the lowest sort. Shooting-massacre chasers take it to a new low, however.
"I suffer from Aspberger’s Syndrome"
Wow, and I thought I was the only one here with this. Cool!