Ron Paul seems to have a good grassroots movement going.

@ EZK

There are a lot Ron Paul signs posted all over my town as well.

It's too bad that the candidates are falling in line yet again to promote our flailing two party 'democracy' *cough* itsnotademocracyitsarepublic *cough*

Who wants to roll Horde, and try to start stuff? I'm thinking nude lvl 1 female Blood Elves will be good bait.

~the1jeffy - I'm game if you are. I have 2 other friends with existing accounts (on a separate server) who will roll a toon and join in for the sake of shenanigans. I'm sure it will not take much to get things going. Hell, I am willing to bet the parade will not make it to the first destination.

We should roll female blood elves and run around shouting HILLARY!!!!

What someone needs to do is get a high level horde hunter and abuse the snake trap bug to let the little things nibble all over the unflagged marchers... only way to deal with it is run to deagro and let them bite someone else, let them wear off, or flag to kill the snakes.

This march is about the same as Ron Paul thinking he might get nominated... which is to say, pissing into the wind. I might join in the blood elf anti-march. Imagine... hundreds of naked blood elves... dancing in protest of something stupid.

It would be like any competition on the internet... no matter who wins, you still look like a retard.

This strikes me as being on-par with the SL campaign tactics. I really have to wonder if the candidates realize this doesn't really make any of the "young voters" want to vote for them so much as it makes us simply /facepalm.

Isn't there a high level disease that can be quickly spread with devastating effects in WoW? Didn't it take out Ironforge for a while?

Wouldn't it be fun if someone could get it going again in the middle of this march?

PS:

How long till the Ron Paul trolls show up and yell at us?

Ron Paul, the favorite candidate of Stormfront and the White Nationalist Party:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/12/ron-pauls-friends-in-black-and-whit...

and

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_w...

Nochanceron - lvl 1 Female BE Mage. Anyone that plays on the server with a spare 10g who'd like to start a guild with me? My mains are on Medivh, so this toon has no money, and im not blowing $75 bucks for a transfer on this.

@ jkdjr25

Some of the support for Paul is a fad, the cool new internet bandwagon to jump on. Other support is from folks who hear one topic they agree with the guy on and don't look any further.

"US out of Iraq!" or "Disband the IRS!" or whatever...

Thing is, they don't do any research on how he wants to accomplish these things or just how crazy and racist the guy really is. They have blinders on for anything that doesn't fit their perfect world view.

@Conejo - Griefing the griefers...it's such a vicious cycle. I have plenty of better things to do, but I have priority issues =) Plus, I so rarely get to join in some good ol' chaos.

@Kenji-sama

He's for bring all overseas troops back to the U.S., even the ones that aren't involved in the war in Iraq. He's also for dismantling Social Security, welfare, medicaid and medicare.

If you can't take care of yourself, well that's your problem. That's not the kind of attitude I want to see in someone who wants to be president.

@chadachada

The problem is that there are people who do, genuinely, need the help. There are people who can't afford health insurance, like myself, who need the help to pay their medical bills. There are people who, for whatever reason, can't find work. Note that I said can't, not won't.

The programs that Ron Paul wants to dismantle are there for a reason; to help people who need it.

I'm not American, but if I were, I would vote Ron Paul. I basically agree with him on every issue except gay marriage (which is trivial, because he thinks it should be up to the states) and abortion (he is a doctor, and has delivered babies, so I can see where he's coming from).

As for the white supremacists, better Ron Paul with the money than them (which, I think is RP's response to the issue, anyway).

jkdjr25, formerly bayushisan Says:

If you can’t take care of yourself, well that’s your problem. That’s not the kind of attitude I want to see in someone who wants to be president.

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I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I don't think his idea is "...if you can't take care of yourself, well that's your problem..."

I think his idea is "...if you WON'T take care of yourself, well that's your problem..."

But if I've misinterpreted his stance, my bad. I don't follow much of what the guy says.

@Loudspeakear:

"…I’m going to find a widget or gadget and monitor that server. Oi!"

If you find one, send it to me. We could make a drinking game out of it.

-P

I think this is awesome. I wish I had a WoW acount again. Tho that is a rather long march.

@Mort

Absolutely. Take me for example. Due to very poor health I haven't been able to work in a while, then back in april I had a four day hospital stay. That racked up a 25,000+ dollar bill. I don't have the money to pay and I need the medicaid to help. Someone like Ron Paul, who has likely never been in my situation, doesn't understand that. In his mind I should just take care of it myself, completely ignoring the very bad economic situation that my state is in right now.

The biggest reason I don't support him is because he doesn't understand what government is there for. Government should do for the people, what the people cannot do for themselves.

@jkdjr25

It seems to me that government was created for mutual protection of people and property. The rest has been duct-tapped on along the way.

Votehillary created. Lvl 2 Female Blood Elf Rogue.

Can't wait.

Wow...what a way to waste away a day.

@jkdjr25

Some people have become so dependent on government that they can't handle the idea of actually lessening it's stranglehold on people's lives.

Or there of course are the hypocrites who say they support social programs for the poor but will in fact only "give" to the poor through taxes that support the inefficient social programs and would never voluntarily give to a charity. People who actually give a rats ass about the poor realize there is always the option to voluntarily give your money.

@Dave

um, it's not intruding on your time if you GO THERE ON PURPOSE.

Stop stealing my property. Stop killing people in my name. I don't need you. Leave me alone.

@JustChris and Sulligan

I'm sorry but you both miss the point. I will readily admit that there are people who abuse the system. However that doesn't change the fact that there are people who do need the help. People who, for no fault of there own, are in a situation where they need the assistance. What do we tell these citizens? That we're sorry and it sucks to be them or the classic "get a job?" ?

I'll use myself as an example again. I've never abused the system and for many years I thought the same way. That the majority of people on these systems didn't really need it, that they were just lazy. I didn't really understand until I was in the situation. Michigan is dead last in jobs and in the economy. There are people here who want to work but can't find a job. There are people who desperately need help to pay their medical bills and the only hope they have of doing so are in programs like medicaid. Where are they supposed to turn? If they don't have the money for medicine they surely don't have the money to pick up and move to state where they could find work.

The point is that Ron Paul is wrong on this one. There are people who need help for a variety of reasons and one of the reaons government exists is to help the people.

jkdjr25,

Hey actually Paul has the best ideas for helping people caught in a bad situation.

Paul advocates re-focusing our national defenses on protecting our borders and not corportate-welfarism-Empire-building. In that respect, I feel he supports the troops and strengthening our national security more than any other candidate.

The money saved from slowing down our British-Empire-dopplegangerism would make things like Social Security and Medicaid solvent again.

Paul has said often that though he would prefer to improve the economy in ways that help less people be dependent on government aid, those programs are the absolute last on his list of programs he's uncomfortable with. This is the polar opposite of warmongers like Bush who need trillions for world conquest and collateral damage but can't spare some change for programs like S-Chip.

Finally, all this crap about Paul being a closet racist is simply crap. It's the McCain's-black-baby whisper campaign of 2008. (McCain and his wife had adopted a baby from overseas whom they loved and took good care of and Bush operatives turned it into a very effective anti-McCain lie amongst the closet racists in SC in 2004) It has been disproven again and again. The NYT ran an official retraction two days ago saying everything they checked out proved that these are decades old slanders. What is clear is that Paul is perhaps the least racist candidate running. Other than Obama who has been really impressive about not biting when haters pull the race card, I've been most impressed with Paul. Paul doesn't pull the anti-Arab card, the anti-Jew card, the white supremacist crap, or even the hispanics-are-watering-down-our-culture crap when he gets all hardline about illegal immigration. If you listen to the man himself - and not a couple fringe wackos who think they agree with him - you're likely to be impressed at that.
Anyways, I'm also surprised at the lack of Paul defense on this site. Maybe he is simply under-represented amongst gamers. That's cool with me. As much as I like the guy, I'm not sure I'd want a bunch of spam chat about politics on my server neither. But if they're cool about the 1 morning thing maybe it'll be not-so-big-a-deal. (Seems most guilds are more active at night).
My 2 cents. And nah I don't really care whether they're backed by gold or not . . . I haven't studied that issue enough. Mostly I like Paul 'cuz he's into freedom, against collateral damage and sending our 'bravest and best' into questionable enagements, backs up his craziest ideas with really interesting arguments (like the whole gold standard stuff), and just seems genuine - which is way refreshing to me. Plus he's been in Congress for 20 years and seems the best read of any of the guys (or gals) on our actual founding principles.

I think I will chime in on the whole welfare debate going on here.

I am by no means incapable. I have no disabilities and am fairly inteligent. I am able to provide for my family. I can buy them food, insurance etc.

But that was not always the case. Shortly after getting married, I started going to scool full time and working full time (mostly). The only job I was able to get that fit around my class schedule was a $10 an hour job. I was living in Arizona at the time and living expenses are pretty high ther. My two bedroom apartment was running at $650 (the cheepest for the size). My wife was pregnant and we were a one car family. My wife was unable to work so I was supporting my family completely. My paycheck went completely to bills. We had no money left over for food or insurance. So we had to go with food stamps and medicare to beable to provide for my family. Had I opted not to get medicare and went with the insurance through my work, I would not have been able to pay all my bills.

During this time I had two kids and only a dollar raise at my job. So my situation did not improve. Sure I could have quit school and looked for a better job, but that would have severely limited my long term prospects.

Long story short, had it not been for food stamps and medicare, I would not be in the position I am in now after graduating. I am able to buy a house, insurance and plenty of food for my family. Had I opted to quit school to get my family off those programs, I am not sure what I would be doing, but I doubt that it would be anything as nice as I have now.

Now I am not the norm. When I was in the DES office waiting to turn in paperwork and such, there were plenty of people who were either incapable or unwilling to better their own circumstances. We even over heard conversations between people about how to scam the system. That is th kind of stuff that made me sick.

But still there are plenty of people like me who are working to better their life and the life of their family but need temporary assistance. That is what these programs are supposed to be for. They are supposed to be a temporary solution. But abusers have turned it into their only means of provision.

I don't think that those programs need to be dumped. They are important. But I do think that they need to be switched to state run programs and have the federal government get their noses out of it.

Honest the USA is going to crumble soon anyways if we dont get a good president in the next 3 terms. The US citizens will declare war on the government and use our 2nd amendment right to fight for it. I know its going to happen as i know about 500 people that actually are considering trying to get even more people to join in.

If anyone thinks Hilary, Obama, or any other mentally challenged candidates think they would be good for our country prepare for our taxes to increase 25% by 2009.

@ DarknessDeku,

It make him relate to you by having one of your hobbies. THEinORY.

wonder if the server will crash...although considering it will be done on New Years there won't be as much locals.

Now is this a march from the IF train to the SW train? Otherwise I can see a whole lot of newly created characters getting slaughtered trying to march through Blackrock and the Burning Steppes.

The IRS taxes me $4000 or so each year right below the poverty level. The Federal government spends more on health care systems PER PERSON than FRANCE. The Federal government spends more on education per person than European nations with better education systems. The Federal government has gotten us into an expensive immoral war in Iraq. Large centralized governments don't work, don't serve the people well, and it's time the people woke up. The current Republican administration has betrayed it's roots, or to quote Alan Greenspan, "Smaller government, lower spending, lower taxes, less regulation - they had the resources to do it, they had the knowledge to do it, they had the political majorities to do it. And they didn't."

Dr. No aka Ron Paul is the best man to get rid of this waste.

@ DarknessDeku,

Neither do I, that's not the point.

It would have been better if he had declared himself a fan of some little known franchise.

Welfair only works when the system is put in place to work look at it before Regan came in you got vouchers for appliances and furniture and food stamps to where yuo could have just enough money to make a car payment and rent nows adays you get sht and if you get 10$ above the cap thats below the poverty line you lose whatever you were getting, been in the welfare system in the mid 80s and 90s and tis only gotten worse as both sides wedge out both the poor and middle class to serve the needs of the rich and the whiny "its not my problem" voters.

RP sets the clock back on welfare a bit to far for my tastes but at this point and time the system is already broken so either it will get worse or better.

I like RP mostly because he will bring the change needed to stabilize us for the future if he dose not well fck its not like the zombie leaders of the dims and reapers will do anything to stop the maddness.

As for huckabee I like him more than the rest of the reaper candidates but still like PR even more and neither are likly to win the reaper side, the dims I'll take Obama above all and edwards 2nd, Hillery is only a option if RP and Huckabee are not a option.

Thompson,Rudy and Romny are just good old fashioned neo cons looking to one up the status quo.

Huckabee needs more brains and less bible...

Hillery needs to stop pandering for votes and changing her mind on issues....

Edwards needs to focus on not the poor but the middle class with no middle no one will take care of the poor this much I have learned being in the system...

RP dosen't have a snow balls chance in hell... if he dose get in he wont do worse than bush because no one will support his more radical plans and all the moderate stuff he wants to do are things we need to do anyway.


Obama is the black sheep (yes this is a pun and zippy stood up all night thinking it up :P )
But really tho he's fresh for a insider and could well wind up being the best pick if RP is "unavalbile" LOL

I think he's an alright guy, but it seems kind of ironic that so many web-heads and online gamers are fans of him, when he voted against net neutrality. He's a progressive guy, certainly, but not on the intranetz front.

@Thomas

Slip through the cracks?

No, most of us are pushed.

I would probably be all for this guy if it weren't for his wanting to ban abortion and end all social programs. If you can't see how that is a recipe for disaster then you're an idiot...

Paul's plans for ending social programs DOESN'T involve suddenly cutting people off and leaving them to starve in the street- he understands fully that there are many people honestly dependent on the systems in place. Most systems would be phased out (for example, young people would have the option to privatize their own Social Security in such a way that it'd be their own money and would definitely be there for them when the time came, unlike the rapidly collapsing setup in place). Additionally, a lot of the economic crisis faced by the average person is perpetuated, or even caused, by government actions.
The US became a welfare state in the wake of the market crash that precipitated the Great Depression, and ever since, our concept of what government should do for us has shifted in an ultimately destructive direction- as nice an idea as it is for everyone to be on equal ground, it's not economically sustainable (check out Russia). Obviously the US system is nowhere near that drastic, but it's the same root concept, and it leads to the same direction- the means taken to fix the issue wind up eventually worsening the situation.

People attack Ron Paul because they don't take the time to understand him. I can tell that every anti-Paul post here is based on very little information, the kind you might get from watching a 60 second clip on the news. Please swallow your pride, educate yourselves, and make an informed choice at the polls. Further, like most campaigning for Ron Paul, this is being organized by his grassroots supporters. His official campaign usually doesn't do much at all. He raised 4+ million in one day and then 6+ million in one day without an official donation drive! Think about the kind of support he has when so many people are willing to work so hard and donate their own time and money! He also won 1st place in over 50% of the straw polls thus far. This is no fad. Check the info, get educated. Bashing Paul is a fad, my friends. If you believe in the Constitution, you'll support Ron Paul. Knowledge is Power.

@ wow players
Please try to see how many hordies you can cram in front of IF. Even if you cant provoke the supporters and crash the server that way, you'll provoke the pvp nuts in IF who'll gladly try to kill you for no reason. Enough combat goes on in front of IF, and the dwarves ultimate defense, the server crash, will come in and stop the Ron Paul march dead in it's tracks, and we can all get back to playing WoW like it was meant to be played. Non political and non RL.

@ everyone else
Please dont try to convince me that Republicans are the solution to our domestic crisis. and dont say democrats are a solution. I think that the only way to fix our welfare isn't to take it away, but to restart the whole thing like it was before. I have lived on welfare for the past year, and when everyone else tells me that if i work hard enough, i can get ahead, i know it's not true. Our system is so screwed up that i can lose most of my benifits if i get a job that pays more than 12 dollars an hour. I have done the math, and it actually gets you MORE money right now if i didn't work. So essentially, i get punished for working, and get rewarded for being lazy. That seems so wrong to me, and i dont see any canidate who could actually reform the system like it should be. Right now, i think that only Truman, who instigated these programs, is the only member of a major party that could fix this system.

Vote for a gamer, right now they seem like the only people who know what to do,

@Get Informed

Some of us have done research on him, and it seems that both detractors and believers are ill informed on him. And Paul himself isn't helping either. I honestly do not know if the man wants a digital gold currency, wants to abolish the Fed, wants the gold standard, or all three. I can't tell if he's for or against state rights, since he supported DOMA and is against Roe V. Wade. The only resounding clear message I have is that he's against the war and for the Constitution. And, you have to agree, that quite a lot of his supporters rally to him because of this motto.

This pretty much confirms that RP voters are completely out of touch with reality

Ron Paul put a movement into congress to withdrawal from the UN. His reason was that he thought they were going to try and take our guns.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/second-amendment/

Note how much time it takes to defend him when a single sentence proves he's a paranoid nut.

Whisperwind server is now locked, with a queue to create new characters.

@DaneKirk

My opinion of Ron Paul comes from me listenin to the content of what he says he believes. I've seen interviews with him and I didn't like what I heard.

One of the foundational principles of government is that goverment should do for the people, what the people cannot do for themselves. I find his desire to dismantle programes like medicaid to be repugnant. I'm one of the people in the U.S. that can't afford health care and I can't find work, I need programs like medicaid to help me pay for a hospital bill I picked up back in April of '07. Neither I, or my family has $25,000+ to pay it. There are thousands of people like that in the U.S. and something needs to be done to help those people.

Ron Paul, seemingly, doesn't think we should get that help from the government, that the individual states should handle it or that we should just deal with it ourselves. I don't agree with that mentality. The people who need the help should be able to get it, those who abuse the system are another matter entirely.

I used to like Ron Paul before i heard he doesn't believe the Bill of Rights applies to the States. If he had his way, states could pass all the anti-free speech legislation they wanted as well as bring back Hanging, Drawing and Quartering, Impalement or Burning at the Stake as Capital Punishment because the First and Eighth amendments no longer apply to the States. There are alot of things that i like about this guy, but that i find unforgivable.

jkdjr25 and others

If you look at the issues.. the reason he wants to dismantle SS and medicare/medicaid is because we cant afford them. By 2030 or so they will consume >100% of the federal budget. Figure out how to pay for it (and defense, other programs, etc..)and you will be a savior. He wants to quit spending money overseas to fund these programs until the current Americans dependant on them no longer need them (i.e., die) and start new programs for younger americans to support themselves.

The deeper message that so many discount without digging for (you know who you are...same people that trash movies without seeing them...etc...), is that the lack of jobs and problems in America result from poor economic policy...fighting inflation with inflation created by the Federal Reserve & spending huge chunks overseas (subsidizing dictators & bombing governments we do not approve of).

Check the dollar vs. the Canadian dollar, Euro, or peso...it is getting killed lately. Dig for the reasons for this and find another candidate to support that addresses these things...I cannot find another...therefore I support Ron Paul.

2 years ago (such a short time) my dollar was worth 1.45 canadian...I went in July and it was EVEN. Are you surprised it takes more dollars to buy gas & food when the dollar is worth less each month. Consider these things before trashing him is all I ask.

They need to get these assholes off our server. We pay to play this game to get away from all of this kind of shit.

yeah the signs are everywhere!