Political Analysts Pooh-pooh Ron Paul WoW Rally

A pair of California political analysts have dismissed tonight’s Ron Paul World of Warcraft march as inconsequential.

As reported by the Orange County Register, Republican political pollster Adam Probolsky remarked:

I commend [the WoW marchers] for their activism, but I think it has no net effect on voters.


When it comes to direct voter contact, the Internet really hasn’t developed itself yet.

Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a political analyst at the University of Southern California, added:

I think the main reason for the rally is to have the media focus on it, and then have some voters in the United States talking about Ron Paul.

GP: Both Probolsky and Jeffe admit that they’ve never heard of World of Warcraft (hard to believe), which – in our mind – taints their opinion of its possible effect just a bit.

In any case, GamePolitics will be covering the Ron Paul march tonight.

If you plan to attend:

Meet in Ironforge, form a single file line and march around the city. The group will then take the tram from IronForge to StormWind where supporters will congregate at the fountain in front of the bank.

Then, players will go to Westfall and swim to Booty Bay to take a boat to Rachet. Finally, once in the Barrens, the group will head to the Crossroads, surround the area and dance.

More details on the march organizers’ website

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    eddiepetosa says:

    I work mainly with linux dedicated servers and I think that WOW would work better if it switched to Linux. The lag is still there if that’s what you’re wondering. I don’t understand why people would pay the monthly subscription just to get angry when their game freezes.

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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Serrenity, LordDax, etc.

    “I don’t understand hardly any of you. You all bitch and moan that no one takes games seriously, no one takes gamers seriously as a class of people. Yet, here stands a testiment to a group of people TRYING to be taking seriously, and you just f*ck with them to make them difficult.”

    Except that this isn’t really forwarding any sort of positive, serious stance for anyone. The only practical results of this event were lag and frustration for people who were minding their own business.

    This is like the local Clown Union wanting to be taken more seriously, and so they decide to march through town in their clown suits. And then dance at the end.

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    the1jeffy –

    Alright, I stand corrected. MSM are more like talentless crack whores that have yet to lose their teeth.(This makes the crack whore completely worthless as well)

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    I think people should be allowed to act childish and what not. There shouldn’t be a law requiring people to act intelligent and mature. If there was there would be a huge amount of people that would be in a lot of trouble, myself included. I do wish some people would act more mature a lot of the time but its as easy as not blessing them with the energy to grant a response.

    But I do agree that the people who wish games and gamers to be taken seriously should look a bit further into their actions because there are times where I do see a great deal of behavior that I would classify as hypocritical.

    People have the right to say anything they want to but saying things such as Ron Paul is not a real candidate is pretty foolish because you literally have nothing to back up that claim. Polls aren’t a accurate or even legitimate way to predict the outcome of the actual voting process and the mainstream media really only tells you what they WANT to tell you. They claim they have “fair and balanced coverage” or they are “unbiased” but that is impossible.

    Honestly, what do you even care what they have to say? You shouldn’t even give a shit what I think either. Have you lost the ability to read into presidential candidates? Look at his grassroots supporters, look at the records he has set and look at how those records were achieved. Look at his platform and look at the bills he sponsors in congress. He is literally running off the same platform he always has(see 1988 Libertarian bid and his 10-terms in Congress).

    I hate the mainstream media with a passion. They are the worst place to gain information and knowledge and yet they are for whatever reason trusted by a large portion of individuals. Untrustworthy, inconsistent, self-important and theoretically irrelevant.

    Until we start treating the mainstream media as what it is, a whore, then its going to continue to have a death grip on American culture. Sorry to be so crude but you fuck whores for personal gain. It is as simple as that, fuck them, give them a little change and get what you need out of them. Money is their substance and the brain-dead misinformed public is their oxygen.

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    Diane ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Every single individual who either attacked or harrassed these marchers should have the right to protest against game/entertainment legislation revoked.”

    Well that sounds positively libertarian.

    Oh wai–

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    ~the1jeffy says:


    What? I rolled a charater to propose my differing political opinion by using the game mechanics to do so. WoW isn’t real-life. What you are proposing is both that video game space should be held to same “rules” as real life, and the people who play the game and break no rules should have their right to real-life free speech taken away?

    “conscientious respectful and openminded adult”

    Yes, because your post just drips with all of that.

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    LordDax says:


    I agree. The foolishness inherent in those who were against the rally simply goes to reinforce the view that gamers are bickering children who need to be supervised and regulated. The lack of retribution/punishment for such offenses is what allowed them to occur in World of Warcraft, for I do not believe that there would be a similar number of people throwing rocks at a Ron Paul march in DC.

    Every single individual who either attacked or harrassed these marchers should have the right to protest against game/entertainment legislation revoked. If you can not act like a conscientious respectful and openminded adult then you should not be entitled to the priveleges of such.

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    karl says:

    In going thru the Yahoo Dashboard just now, I find that their “Buzz” quantity, which is a measure of how many people are bringing up information on a particular candidate, shows Ron Paul with the highest “Buzz” numbers in something like 31 states. Granted, it is only people looking for information, and the poll numbers don’t match the “Buzz” numbers, but the actual numbers are far more for Ron Paul than anybody else, plus he is also second in “Buzz” numbers in several other states. There is a lot of interest in Ron Paul, and what they call a revolution may be catching on. He is the only constituttionalist running, and the interest in that so far is being underestimated. This is not a Ross Perot phenomenon, it appears to be a real grassroots movement.

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    Serrenity says:

    @Terrible Tom –

    Agreed. at least someone seems to be on my page

    I don’t understand hardly any of you. You all bitch and moan that no one takes games seriously, no one takes gamers seriously as a class of people. Yet, here stands a testiment to a group of people TRYING to be taking seriously, and you just f*ck with them to make them difficult. Maybe politicians think games are for kids because you people act like freakin children.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day. Of course the WoW rally won’t be a deciding factor, but it was innovative and did something no one else had done before, and all you do is complain (most of you, anyway) about how stupid it is blah blah blah. For the love of god, grow up and step outside yourselves. You don’t have to agree with Ron Paul (personally, I think he is the least of a multitude of evils but) and look at the intent of whats going on. You have a group of people trying to be taken seriously in a new medium for political change, and you gank them, say how stupid it is …

    I’m impressed with the Turn out. I’m on Mal’Ganis and 400+ Queue is nothing major for me, but that says there must have been a huge turnout for it, and I’m glad. I’m a huge believe in the mentality that if you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    Def. applies to this situation.

    I think part of the reason no one takes gamers seriously is because right now, gamers don’t deserve to be taken seriously.

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    Tony ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “It’s not a popularity contest.”

    That’s precisely what it is.

    Why do you see huge rallies with cheesy music, balloons, fireworks, etc. Why do they spend much more on ‘image’ than actual policies? Because it’s all about popularity. Being the popstar of the week on the particular week the election is on.

    Plus voting for a candidate with only 5% of the vote might make you feel good but is going to change zip.. you might as well have stayed at home. Much better to pick between the two or three candidates likely to win and pick one of those (OTOH it’s pretty much a shoe-in for Hillary at the moment so you might not make a difference anyway).

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    ~the1jeffy says:


    “Too bad this didn’t happen on a PVP server, I would of loved to see a ton of horde waiting for the Alliance to show up at Ratchet”

    There was. I definitely tricked 4 or 5 people into flagging themselves in Ratchet. And there was actually a character named votehilary. There was a ton of spam, “Vote Ruu Paul!” and “Get off my server, and the like.” The horde side was generally like WTF?

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    alphadog says:

    Statements like this bother me: “It will be inconsequential because they are supporting a candidate who garners about 5 to 6 percent of national support.”

    I will assume that the author (Evan) did not mean that one shouldn’t vote for Ron Paul, or any candidate, based on current performance. (I would not vote for Ron Paul. There are some things we need government for. OTOH, 5 percent is nothing to sneeze at, especially without party backing and with little starting funds. Given Census estimates of 230mil voting adults in 2006, that’s about 11.5mil “angry” people.)

    At any rate, one votes for a candidate who best represents your interests, not the one most likely to win. That’s why it’s called a representative democracy. The elected represent you not by proxy, but in responsibility. You, in turn, should pick the one best able to generally reprsent you.

    It’s not a popularity contest.

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    Demontestament ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok this is to anyone who actually went to this thing. How much fire did they come under? Now I know that the server is not a PVP server so the fire I am talking about is spam in the General chat and characters named Votehiliary, ObamaFTW, XxxLegolasObamaXxx.

    Too bad this didn’t happen on a PVP server, I would of loved to see a ton of horde waiting for the Alliance to show up at Ratchet.

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    I got tons of screenshots. I will try to flickr then or something later. GP, if you’d like to see them for your coverage, let me know and I’ll zip them for you.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    Personally, I don’t see why some of you are complaining about this. If I were paying $15 a month to play a game, of course I am going to bring some elements of real life into it. After all, it is taking real life time to commit the $15. I don’t support Ron Paul as he come across as a nut to me, but I am glad to see this show of gamer devotion. If this does not get the message that gamers are voters too, then I don’t know what will.

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    Bruce ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I went to it and goldshire was flooded with supporters, whoever said it wouldnt have a huge turnout wasnt there >_>

    it was HUGE and I BSOD’d 3 times haha

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    KN ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Woah, brownshirts on WoW.

    Though the WoW population must be the perfect target. They’d never actually READ what Ron Paul stands for or what the fuck any of it means.

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    Thomas P. ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Knowing the population of the World of Warcraft playerbase, there were probably people who showed up just to screw with the Ron Paul supporters. Its pure speculation on my end though.

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    UR MR GAY says:

    No one plays WoW anymore. They got the word out to people with no shutins and people who play job games. Essentially people who already know about RP. Turn out was good because RP supporters have no life. Just try posting something bad about him somewhere public and in a matter of hours it will be swarmed by what would appear to be a large group of people when it’s really just some forum buddies with sock puppet accounts. It took the entire Ron Paul voter base to do this and they couldn’t even crash a server.

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    Well, the thing petered out right in front of Orgimar. I saw wave of low level alliance characters die from hunter snake traps. Also, tricked a few 70’s into flagging with me as bait, and had an undead rogue in tow. Ineteresting way to get a message out, but really, I just feel bad for the folks that had to wait for 400+ in queque on their home server. Sorry Whisperwind!

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    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Interesting idea, maybe even innovative. What intrigues me is if events like this continue, will it shake up politicians who still blindly believe video gaming is exclusively a children’s activity..?

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    Jojo Stix ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    My husband’s attending the march right now. He’s been saying things against Ron Paul. Which has resulted in him getting whispers that he is not for freedom, is the son of the devil, and a traitor.

    Guess they don’t like him telling people to drink the Kool-Aid. ^^

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    I saw a lvl 5 gnome named Gamepolitics at the head of the march. Hopefully getting some primo screenshots! My dwarf, Novoteforron, was getting flames and ignored. I actually had a decent convo with someone eventually.

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    Everything about Ron Paul is pooh-poohed. Notice he currently holds the record for largest one day donation in history.(actual donations, so it does not include pledged donations) And that still didn’t really make that big of a media splash, the days after it happened it was overshadowed by a the endorsements of newspapers in Iowa and New Hampshire.

    Welcome to reality. The mainstream media isn’t looking to use their influence to represent truth. They have their own agendas.

    Polls are also bullshit, all polls by everybody.

    Scientific polls represent the manipulated opinion of a randomly selected audience of individuals that have land line telephones and stay on the phone long enough to participate in a survey.

    Math can not justify the fact that people will give you different opinions based on how you present information to them. Math can not justify the fact that not everyone has land line phones and Math can not justify emergent behaviors of survey participants(Someone could answer the phone and press the wrong button or just press a random button.) Polls are practically useless at best.

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    DCOW ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Also: with 25 mins left before the event, it would be smart to enter the queue for the server now. there’s a 400 person queue last check

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Kurisu and I’m a level 32 human paladin. We jsut got a time card today, however due to an unforseen error we can’t log in yet.

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    So far there’s a decent turnout. Not world server breaking, but decent. Rolling an ally just to see what’s up. Been taking some screenshots.

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    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I commend [the WoW marchers] for their activism, but I think it has no net effect on voters.”

    Every vote counts. I guess these tools think that campaigns are only won through a single event.

    While it is relatively a minor event, it is an event nonetheless. Votes aren’t won by flashy debates. They are won by those who are willing to press the flesh, that is go out and spread the word, one person at a time.

    That said I don’t think Ron will win it, but nevertheless, his supporters are certainly putting more effort into his campaign than his opponents, and I think that says something…

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    Nochanceron, a lvl 6 BE female mage, has just ganked her first Ron Paul supporter. I will be flying to the barrens to pick off fellow lowbies. Any 70 hordies wanna join me? Send me a tell, online right now.

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    The problem with Paul is that he’s an isolationist, zero-government person (we’re smarter than the gov’t? Really? Have you looked around much?), he’s combative with no good long-term plans, and he’s consistently polling in the low single-digits.

    The last is why he’s not viable. A 4% voter share means you probably don’t have a chance :).

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    Evan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It will be inconsequential because they are supporting a candidate who garners about 5 to 6 percent of national support.

    If it was a candidate in shouting distance this would have lot more coverage and might be a bigger story.

    Netroots activism for presidential politics has not been able to make enough of an impact to effect the elections. Dean in 2004 had his momentum, but it wasn’t enough. Ron Paul really has no momentum but has convinced people to donate a lot money. Thats it. He has absolutely no chance to win.

    While he has more support and money than Kucinich, their campaigns are essentially the same. While the individual may not be popular enough to win, the message they stand for is bigger than their campaigns.

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    Diane ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I totally fail to see how the march will round up other voters. Actually I fail to see how grassroot activism influences people.”

    Usually the idea is to spread information or interest, targeting those who haven’t yet made up their mind on an issue. Activist organizations frequently attract the people they want to influence even without much effort–kind of like political blogs (which totally have no influence on the nation’s politics or political discourse at all–thanks for the info, Probby).

    The WoW march, though? By and large a lolzfest. Ron Paul is meme and all.

    I’m sad this isn’t on a PvP server. A friend and I speculated putting bounties on the heads of marchers. We’d like to see this “Free Market” thing in play.

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    Bloodharp ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Broken Scope

    First of all, here here, in the name of the dark lady, and all that.
    Second of all, i checked out the site linked in the article above, and theres mention of a Ron Paul Horde activity, although it doesnt have a link in it. This may be just a speculative mention there, or a prelude to future events, but dont vote for someone else just because he starts with the alliance.


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    Tom ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Anonymous: grass roots activism works because it gets people involved, on a local level, in politics that deal with issues that matter to them. It’s probably the best form of activism – unfortunately it doesn’t really work on a national level.

    This whole WoW thing is going to be an exercise in futility, though, because, by and large, the WoW demographic isn’t going to make a strong showing at the polls and the attention generated is going to fall into the “news of the weird” section of most reports. Ron Paul supporters tend not to realize that much of what they do falls into that category.

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    Garret says:

    I quit playing WOW about a year ago, but if the servers are in a similar state to that time, then this march will cause major lag, choppiness, maybe even crash the continant server…

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    RaZor says:

    It’s interesting that almost all Republican “analysts” are just bashing Ron Paul and saying he isn’t viable despite his overwhelming fundraising so far. What it comes down to is that the Republican establishment doesn’t want him, because he actually maintains some of the conservative standards that the Republican Party left behind sometime around the Reagan era. Now the Republican Party is an Old Boys’ Party, and Paul is an outsider. It’s unfortunate that Paul’s voice is being discounted by the Republican Elite, because it’s important to the overall conversation on what Republicanism is supposed to be about – a tool of the Religious Right, or a force for conservative small gov’t? Maybe somewhere in between.

    Note, I’m not a Paul supporter (although he does make me curious). I’m just annoyed at all these Republicans trying to deny his obvious influence.

    And yeah, if you don’t know anything about the Internet, it’s hard to authoritatively say that something happening on the Internet will or won’t be influential. As it is, a march on a WoW server doesn’t seem like a typical way to gain influence, although some average WoW’ers might do a google on Paul.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    And how many people doing this will be voting age and living in a Primary state?

    This “rally/march” means nothing. Except people being too lazy to do real campaigning.

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    MR.B says:

    There is not going to be alot of people that will show up to march, but there is going to be quite a few people that will show up to watch the march. A few of those who will watch will end up trying to grief the marchers, just you wait. I heard this event is getting alot of attentsion in the WOW comun., the hardcore greifers will come.

    I wonder how the political analysts will react to the griefers that might show up.

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    Soldatlouis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    At least, none of these analysts bitched about video games or MMORPGs. They may under-estimate this “WoW march”, but they weren’t scornful about it.

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    Weatherlight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well I for one have not made up my mind yet on presidential candidates or even which party I will be voting, but from what I have heard Ron Paul is for preventing the federal government from making/influencing domestic policy. So out of the candidates, I would say he is the safest vote if you don’t want federal video game legislation, because he will not be pushing or approving any laws on domestic policies.

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Think I will be the first to say. Well “Duh” of course Jeffe and Probolsky are downplaying this. 1st not WoW players. 2nd) Did not think of it first.

    It should be amusing (irony) to see how many players show to support a politician. I have a feeling most gamers are like myself in thinking that politicians want to either take away, control, or tax to death our pastime. I do not trust respect or trust them, but this is my failing I suppose.

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    JimK says:

    So far the netroots have accomplished exactly nothing. Kos is the only example that matters and the record there is like 1 and 18. Internet can’t get someone elected yet.


    In theory these two reporters are chowderheads, but in practice, the flat truth is they are right.

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    MR.B says:

    There is still people out there that deny that there is any impact that comes from any type of netroots action. These two guys are prime examples of that.

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