Political Analysts Pooh-pooh Ron Paul WoW Rally

January 1, 2008 -

A pair of California political analysts have dismissed tonight's Ron Paul World of Warcraft march as inconsequential.

As reported by the Orange County Register, Republican political pollster Adam Probolsky remarked:

I commend [the WoW marchers] for their activism, but I think it has no net effect on voters.

 

When it comes to direct voter contact, the Internet really hasn't developed itself yet.


Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a political analyst at the University of Southern California, added:

I think the main reason for the rally is to have the media focus on it, and then have some voters in the United States talking about Ron Paul.


GP: Both Probolsky and Jeffe admit that they've never heard of World of Warcraft (hard to believe), which - in our mind - taints their opinion of its possible effect just a bit.

In any case, GamePolitics will be covering the Ron Paul march tonight.



If you plan to attend:

Meet in Ironforge, form a single file line and march around the city. The group will then take the tram from IronForge to StormWind where supporters will congregate at the fountain in front of the bank.

Then, players will go to Westfall and swim to Booty Bay to take a boat to Rachet. Finally, once in the Barrens, the group will head to the Crossroads, surround the area and dance.


More details on the march organizers' website...


Comments

Personally, I don't see why some of you are complaining about this. If I were paying $15 a month to play a game, of course I am going to bring some elements of real life into it. After all, it is taking real life time to commit the $15. I don't support Ron Paul as he come across as a nut to me, but I am glad to see this show of gamer devotion. If this does not get the message that gamers are voters too, then I don't know what will.

I got tons of screenshots. I will try to flickr then or something later. GP, if you'd like to see them for your coverage, let me know and I'll zip them for you.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Ok this is to anyone who actually went to this thing. How much fire did they come under? Now I know that the server is not a PVP server so the fire I am talking about is spam in the General chat and characters named Votehiliary, ObamaFTW, XxxLegolasObamaXxx.

Too bad this didn't happen on a PVP server, I would of loved to see a ton of horde waiting for the Alliance to show up at Ratchet.

They took the tram?! Oh, come on. If you're going to do something like this, walk the whole damn way.

Statements like this bother me: "It will be inconsequential because they are supporting a candidate who garners about 5 to 6 percent of national support."

I will assume that the author (Evan) did not mean that one shouldn't vote for Ron Paul, or any candidate, based on current performance. (I would not vote for Ron Paul. There are some things we need government for. OTOH, 5 percent is nothing to sneeze at, especially without party backing and with little starting funds. Given Census estimates of 230mil voting adults in 2006, that's about 11.5mil "angry" people.)

At any rate, one votes for a candidate who best represents your interests, not the one most likely to win. That's why it's called a representative democracy. The elected represent you not by proxy, but in responsibility. You, in turn, should pick the one best able to generally reprsent you.

It's not a popularity contest.

Demontestament,

"Too bad this didn’t happen on a PVP server, I would of loved to see a ton of horde waiting for the Alliance to show up at Ratchet"

There was. I definitely tricked 4 or 5 people into flagging themselves in Ratchet. And there was actually a character named votehilary. There was a ton of spam, "Vote Ruu Paul!" and "Get off my server, and the like." The horde side was generally like WTF?

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

"It’s not a popularity contest."

That's precisely what it is.

Why do you see huge rallies with cheesy music, balloons, fireworks, etc. Why do they spend much more on 'image' than actual policies? Because it's all about popularity. Being the popstar of the week on the particular week the election is on.

Plus voting for a candidate with only 5% of the vote might make you feel good but is going to change zip.. you might as well have stayed at home. Much better to pick between the two or three candidates likely to win and pick one of those (OTOH it's pretty much a shoe-in for Hillary at the moment so you might not make a difference anyway).

Can't wait to see ED's coverage of this.

@Terrible Tom -

Agreed. at least someone seems to be on my page

I don't understand hardly any of you. You all bitch and moan that no one takes games seriously, no one takes gamers seriously as a class of people. Yet, here stands a testiment to a group of people TRYING to be taking seriously, and you just f*ck with them to make them difficult. Maybe politicians think games are for kids because you people act like freakin children.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Of course the WoW rally won't be a deciding factor, but it was innovative and did something no one else had done before, and all you do is complain (most of you, anyway) about how stupid it is blah blah blah. For the love of god, grow up and step outside yourselves. You don't have to agree with Ron Paul (personally, I think he is the least of a multitude of evils but) and look at the intent of whats going on. You have a group of people trying to be taken seriously in a new medium for political change, and you gank them, say how stupid it is ...

I'm impressed with the Turn out. I'm on Mal'Ganis and 400+ Queue is nothing major for me, but that says there must have been a huge turnout for it, and I'm glad. I'm a huge believe in the mentality that if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Def. applies to this situation.

I think part of the reason no one takes gamers seriously is because right now, gamers don't deserve to be taken seriously.

It won't make a difference. Besides...having a march for a real candidate might make a difference.

In going thru the Yahoo Dashboard just now, I find that their "Buzz" quantity, which is a measure of how many people are bringing up information on a particular candidate, shows Ron Paul with the highest "Buzz" numbers in something like 31 states. Granted, it is only people looking for information, and the poll numbers don't match the "Buzz" numbers, but the actual numbers are far more for Ron Paul than anybody else, plus he is also second in "Buzz" numbers in several other states. There is a lot of interest in Ron Paul, and what they call a revolution may be catching on. He is the only constituttionalist running, and the interest in that so far is being underestimated. This is not a Ross Perot phenomenon, it appears to be a real grassroots movement.

@Serrenity

I agree. The foolishness inherent in those who were against the rally simply goes to reinforce the view that gamers are bickering children who need to be supervised and regulated. The lack of retribution/punishment for such offenses is what allowed them to occur in World of Warcraft, for I do not believe that there would be a similar number of people throwing rocks at a Ron Paul march in DC.

Every single individual who either attacked or harrassed these marchers should have the right to protest against game/entertainment legislation revoked. If you can not act like a conscientious respectful and openminded adult then you should not be entitled to the priveleges of such.

LordDax,

What? I rolled a charater to propose my differing political opinion by using the game mechanics to do so. WoW isn't real-life. What you are proposing is both that video game space should be held to same "rules" as real life, and the people who play the game and break no rules should have their right to real-life free speech taken away?

"conscientious respectful and openminded adult"

Yes, because your post just drips with all of that.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

"Every single individual who either attacked or harrassed these marchers should have the right to protest against game/entertainment legislation revoked."

Well that sounds positively libertarian.

Oh wai--

I think people should be allowed to act childish and what not. There shouldn't be a law requiring people to act intelligent and mature. If there was there would be a huge amount of people that would be in a lot of trouble, myself included. I do wish some people would act more mature a lot of the time but its as easy as not blessing them with the energy to grant a response.

But I do agree that the people who wish games and gamers to be taken seriously should look a bit further into their actions because there are times where I do see a great deal of behavior that I would classify as hypocritical.

People have the right to say anything they want to but saying things such as Ron Paul is not a real candidate is pretty foolish because you literally have nothing to back up that claim. Polls aren't a accurate or even legitimate way to predict the outcome of the actual voting process and the mainstream media really only tells you what they WANT to tell you. They claim they have "fair and balanced coverage" or they are "unbiased" but that is impossible.

Honestly, what do you even care what they have to say? You shouldn't even give a shit what I think either. Have you lost the ability to read into presidential candidates? Look at his grassroots supporters, look at the records he has set and look at how those records were achieved. Look at his platform and look at the bills he sponsors in congress. He is literally running off the same platform he always has(see 1988 Libertarian bid and his 10-terms in Congress).

I hate the mainstream media with a passion. They are the worst place to gain information and knowledge and yet they are for whatever reason trusted by a large portion of individuals. Untrustworthy, inconsistent, self-important and theoretically irrelevant.

Until we start treating the mainstream media as what it is, a whore, then its going to continue to have a death grip on American culture. Sorry to be so crude but you fuck whores for personal gain. It is as simple as that, fuck them, give them a little change and get what you need out of them. Money is their substance and the brain-dead misinformed public is their oxygen.

Terrible Tom,

Don't be crude. Whores are nothing like the MSM. Sex workers provide a valuable service, where the MSM is useless.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

the1jeffy -

Alright, I stand corrected. MSM are more like talentless crack whores that have yet to lose their teeth.(This makes the crack whore completely worthless as well)

@ Serrenity, LordDax, etc.

"I don’t understand hardly any of you. You all bitch and moan that no one takes games seriously, no one takes gamers seriously as a class of people. Yet, here stands a testiment to a group of people TRYING to be taking seriously, and you just f*ck with them to make them difficult."

Except that this isn't really forwarding any sort of positive, serious stance for anyone. The only practical results of this event were lag and frustration for people who were minding their own business.

This is like the local Clown Union wanting to be taken more seriously, and so they decide to march through town in their clown suits. And then dance at the end.

Re:

I work mainly with linux dedicated servers and I think that WOW would work better if it switched to Linux. The lag is still there if that's what you're wondering. I don't understand why people would pay the monthly subscription just to get angry when their game freezes.
 
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