Editor: Upset with Coverage, GameCo's Cut Ties with EGM

Editor: Upset with Coverage, GameCo's Cut Ties with EGM

January 9, 2008
Did three major game companies decide to stop cooperating with Electronic Gaming Monthly?

That's what EGM editor-in-chief Dan “Shoe” Hsu writes in an editorial in the January issue. As reported by Video Game Media Watch:
According to Hsu, Midway’s Mortal Kombat development team, Sony’s sports game division, and Ubisoft have all allegedly banned EGM from further coverage of their products. The reason: Apparently, they didn’t take too kindly to EGM’s review coverage of their games...

We have yet to confirm these allegations with the publishers mentioned. However, if the editorial’s claims are accurate, VGMWatch.com is certainly disappointed with these publishers’ behavior.

GP: A game company can't "ban" a magazine from covering their product. What they can do, however, is withhold preview and review copies, artwork, interviews, etc. Doing so would make it almost impossible for a print mag to provide coverage of a game.

If true - and we have no reason to doubt Hsu - it's just another example of the video game industry's failure to understand that an independent gaming press is a good thing.

Comments

Jeez, you'd think that publishers would learn after the Gerstmann/Gamespot debacle?

Perhaps... maybe... if they worried more about the quality of their products, rather than constantly trying to charm the press, they'd have nothing to worry about?
Silly idealistic me!
This is just sad...
My opinion EGM has always been for Sony. I hate their biased reviews especially when orig xbox was getting games reviewed. They wouldnt review the game on the better system with better graphics and even live insted they say also on xbox haha. Maybe Sony didnt pay EGM enough $ this time around. Sony was probly a bit short on cash from the Warner Brothers bribe.
I just don't get this. They are just reviews sure they may affect sales, but shouldn't that encourage these companies to make better games?
What!?! Make better games!?! What are you guys smoking???

Video game development is not be about quality. It is all about the margins. The game press has detrimental effects on the bottom line. It is the right of these companies to black ball those press outlets that damage the bottom line.

Perhaps now EGM will learn their lesson and write margin improving reviews from now on.

/sarcasm.
You're absolutely right- I let my idealism and desire for a better world get the better of me.

I remain suitably ashamed...
You know, as much as I want to disagree, let's face it. It's within these company's rights to do this. You have a print magazine which seems to be reviewing consistantly under the curve on your products (Assassin's Creed springs to mind immediately) yet gloriously hyping your previewed product to a reader base. Often delivering the review after the game has launched. Traditional print mags are sliding into oblivion.

And as a developer, if your sports game gets bashed because it's just another iteration to an annual franchise, why should you support the people bashing your product? I forget the review I read but it was about a JRPG on Xbox 360. The first paragraph praised the fact that it was a Japanese RPG on 360. Then the next 3 pages were spent bashing everything about JRPG conventions.

Besides, EGM is still free to cover these games, they just won't get junkets, exclusives, or review copies.
So basically they are angry that their games got poor reviews, so they are going to take away EGM's ability to act as a free marketing machine for their upcoming products. Promotion is basically all these companies will be losing, meaning that instead of EGM publishing a bunch of positive stuff to hype their games up and then following with a bad review after release, these games will receive only the negative review with none of the positive pre-release opinions.
Right... First of all if Midway's MK team is pulling out there they probably would be pulling out from many many other gaming publications too (Given the rather mixed and middle-ground reviews they got for MKD and MKA)

Sony is a given and probably see (falsely) EGM as being on a Microsoft bias (which is silly really)

Not totally sure about Ubisoft though... Usually I havent seen much bad words said about them :P
This seems like the kind of thing that can only hurt the companies. Now, EGM has a reduced ability to cover the company’s games, resulting in less information about said games available for the public. Hey, if the games were good, I'm sure they'd get better reviews.

Lair seems to come to mind. I was looking forward to that game. All the previews looked beautiful. Then, I finally got my hands on the game. The controls ruined it. The last straw was when I tried to turn my dragon around and it dashed forward instead. Every review I've seen agreed that while the game was beautiful, the terrible controls destroyed it. Biased? No, that's honest.

On the other hand, it's only Sony's sports division and Midway's Mortal Kombat developer, so EGM should still get preview information from other divisions of the companies. Ubisoft, however, is apparently a complete blackout, which surprises me. Did EGM give Assassin’s Creed a bad review? Every review I've seen loved it.
@DevilMan

You probably don't read a whole lot of EGM, but out of every game publication thats out right now, they have to be the most UNBIASED and BALANCED magazine there is. I've been a fan since 1999, and I have never witnessed them tip to one end over another. This is more apparent even in the recent issues. How exactly have they "been for Sony"?. Giving a good review to game you ended up not liking doesn't count :P

@Gameboy:

They gave Assassin's Creed a 7.0, 6.0, and 4.5. They highlighted the animation and the game world itself as significant positives, but the game is way too repetitive. The average score is pretty much what every game review site, magazine, etc. has been giving the game.

Ultimately, the game sold more sizzle than steak.
Gameboy,

EGM/1UP was one of two reviewers who slammed Assassin's Creed (the other being IGN). They essentially gave it a 7 whereas most other reviews were handing out low 9s. So that huge of a deviation could indicate the motivating factor.

Not to mention if you read EGM, they do love handing out excessively low scores nowadays. It's only natural for SOME backlash because of that.
If they rated AC a 7 then they are a more objective media outlet than most. That game was a gorgeous repetitive grind. Stories like this bother me and reinforce the lack of actual journalism in game journalism
[...] Did three major game companies decide to stop cooperating with Electronic Gaming Monthly? That ’s what EGM editor-in-chief Dan “Shoe” Hsu writes in an editorial in the January issue.read more | digg story [...]
To be fair, if I were a designer, I wouldn't hand out my game to anybody who reviews with a numbered scale, specifically the ones who list zero to ten but only use seven to nine. Let 'em review it when it hits retail, I say.
Publishers have no business bullying game journalists and reviewers. I thought the rest of the industry would've learned from Sony (Lair reviewer's uide) and Eidos (Gerstmann).
Since this indicates that these companies buy review scores, I'll have to assume that if I ever see a game of theirs with a good score, it's just a piece of shit to avoid. Good marketing, guys.
This is just completely ridiculous.
They're bound to sell more copies of their games now that they're putting less money into advertising them. Wait, something about that sounds incorrect to me. It can't be that they're trying to encourage the magazine to raise its scores in order to gain exclusives in the future, can it?
These companies used to advertise heavily on EGM's magazine. Maybe they are trying to avoid another fiasco similar to Gamespot and Eidos. I like Hsu's integrity in the magazine and realize they don't pander to anyone after seeing them interview Microsoft's Peter Moore with some tough, biting questions. Their journalists actually grew a pair.
EGM has been biased before and will always be.

For years they had a slight Nintendo bias.
Then the Dreamcast comes along and they are with Sega.
Then that thing fails and thy go with Sony.
Wow, the games that EGM were going to reveiw musted have sucked total ass.
Publishers have a right to withhold review copies of their games from EGM.

And EGM has a right to tell us (the reading public) what's going on.

And we have a right to backlash against the publishers for throwing a hissy fit.
EGM may be biased--or not. I don't read them anymore. But they have that right to be biased, and it's selfish and reflects terribly on the game industry to try and punish reviewers from expressing their opinion.

And Assassin's Creed isn't a 9-point-anything. I think a 4.5 is excessively low, but I understand completley any reviewer who would give it a 7. If Ubisoft can't tolerate a publication telling them when they've screwed up, they need to find a new line of work.
"why should you support the people bashing your product?"

Because game companies need to start respecting the artistic integrity of their products (granted, sports games are not art...) if they expect the government and mainstream media to stop using them as scapegoats. If you are a politician that considers video games similar to McDonalds fries, cigarettes and other potentially harmful products, then you will have no compunction against passing ill-informed laws to limit their sale. EA and Ubisoft think their games should be entitled to the same constitutional protection as movies and books, then they need to start taking their employees' work more seriously.
Saying EGM gives out excessively low scores is asinine. A scale of 1 - 10 is pointless if nothing gets below a 5, and there are plenty of games that deserve to be rated lower. Couple that with the philosophy at Ziff Davis that a 5 is average (10/2=5), and I'd say their scores are usually on mark.

Not that review scores matter anyway, it's the text that holds all the important information, but try telling the suits looking to make gaming a highly profitable but soulless program like Hollywood.
I'm, remaining skeptical about this.

VERY skeptical.
The problem really is the fact that the review scale (at least the 1-10 one) is fundamentally broken. If it's a 1-10 based scale then a 5 should be an average game, not terrible not great, but somebody out there will like it. However the scale never seems to go below a 7 unless a reviewer despises a game. This is made even worse be fans who scream and howl if there favorite game gets anything less than a 9. Unless the scale itself is fixed I don't see much progress being made.
I read EGM, it is one of the few mags I read anymore due to being tired of biased reporters.

EGM in my opinion is very un-biased. They have three people review every game. Three different people means three different opinions, and then the final score is an average of those three.

I've seen one reviewer give a game a 4.5 and the next give it a 8 and the third give it a 6. It comes down to personal opinion. Some people like certain types of games. I prefer RPGs personally, if I where to review say, a RTS, I might give it a low score because those aren't my favorite games, to me they are boring. While Joe over here might be an RTS nut and give it a high rating.

That is what I like about EGM, they give you the review from THREE different perspectives. As far as AC is concerned, they have always said it was a beautiful looking game, but they where worried about controls and other issues.

In fact, in one of their issues, they even gave AC a second chance, they made complaints and UBI came back and tried to address them, such as controls, UBI told them, well if you spend hours playing, the controls get easier, and EGM agreed that the controls got easier the more you played, but that they would be difficult and frustrating for anybody just picking up the game (this was before they even got a full review copy).

Hence, the poor review, because UBI's basic answer was, well, the more you play, the easier it gets (well DUH! but its the steep learning curve that is the problem!).

Once again, this is a situation of the developers trying to buy or bully the reviewers. How are politicians going to look on this? Well, you don't like their review, so you bully them, how do we know your not doing that to the ESRB?

It is going to turn around to bite them in the ass, end of story.
@Luke:

Exactly! This is something that gets me...

People aren't reading the REVIEWS, they're reading the NUMBERS. You actually have to read review so you can understand what the number is and why x-game got it.
@Waffles

Too many times in GI did I see a letter cussing out the staff because Halo 3 didn't get perfect and they have no idea why
While they won't be able to get exclusive early reviews, previews or interviews, they can still get artwork, images, and screenshots if they've a paid account with GamesPress. So coverage isn't "almost impossible". Game reviews can still be done if they go out and buy the game on the day it is released.
if this is confirmed, then i will think very low of any games produced by said producers.
tbh, if a mag is biased then tough, the people wont read it.
however, if producers go around saying 'no' to the reviewers they dont like, they not only damage their own reputation, but possibly the rep of those they are interviewing.
I don't read EGM but I am given a lot of the 1up.com podcasts to listen to and I quite enjoy them. I think that this ties in with the Bonus Round feature that Hsu is on @ GameTrailers.
I've been a subscriber to EGM since forever. They are unbiased simply because the writers have different opinions. You can even see in some of the issues what their favorites are; they don't hide it. To me, EGM is a better judge of games then, say Game Informer. Like mentioned before, 3 different opinions on each game gives it a spin on how you should view each game. Go with the reviewer you usually agree with. Read the review rather then just going by the score. Read other reviews instead of just the mag.

Publishers are idiots. Just because a few of them now are pissed and may hold information doesn't make the magazine go away. EGM has a quite a few ways to gather information according to Hsu. Ubisoft, Sony, and anyone else who get's all whiny about how the games get scored need to suck it up and move on.
This is starting to remove any doubt I had over the Gerstmann situation.
EGM is full of it, anyways, so boo-hoo. They brag endlessley about their Battlestations! cover with a tomato-laden PS3 and their predictive powers, but totally neglect the wii vs PS3 issue they did a few months earlier, in which they deemed Sony the processor-powered winnar and Nintendo the kiddy-game suckar. In their latest issue, they devote 3 pages each to upcoming Wii and 360 games, and then 4 pages to the least-selling, least-upcoming-game-having PS3! EGM is about as fair and balanced as Fox News, but with PBS' reputation. WTF is up with that?

Hsu has ranted endlessly about "game journalism", but then complains when they actually have to research games by themselves, without expensive press junkets and exclusive articles that lead to increases in ad revenue. Like I said; boo-hoo. It's an enthusiast press supported in part by publishers, so get over yourselves. Whining and crying in an attempt to raise the fervor of the inter-tubes against the publishers who slighted you is hardly worthy of the moniker of journalism.
This is where the game makers will lose business. I very much depend on these reviews, good or bad, I might still wanna try them. The reviews were wrote by some machine that played them then scored them on how they ranked against standards programmed into the machine. The reviews are written by real live people who play these games. Some games have mixed reviews, some get all good, some get all bad. That's the nature of reviews.

This isn't another "ET" flop?

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