FBI: Crime Rates Down in 2007

FBI: Crime Rates Down in 2007

January 12, 2008
While video games were blamed by some critics for everything from vandalism to police officer killings to the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, new FBI statistics show that crime actually declined in the first half of the year.

Here's what the G-men have to say about the numbers:
It’s a good start: in the first six months of 2007, crime rates dropped for the first time in two years. Nationwide, violent crime fell 1.8 percent and property crime 2.6 percent compared to the same period last year...

The downward trends were wide-ranging:  

...Violent crime fell in all four regions and in each of the four offense categories. Nationally, murder and non-negligent manslaughter dropped 1.1 percent, forcible rape 6.1 percent, robbery 1.2 percent, and aggravated assault 1.7 percent.

GP: Perhaps Bully, Counter-strike, GTA and the other usual gaming suspects aren't leading to the decline of Western Civilization after all?

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WHAT! Impossible I say! We all know Vidjya Games make normal every day people in axe weilding, paint spraying, foaming at the mouth monsters! Monsters who could be anywhere! Even right next door! So you have to keep an eye out for them, and if you suspect someone report it to the government NOW.
Oh wait... That was communism....
People who are on an anti-video game agenda, like Leland Yee, are not concerned about facts. It is their belief that is enough.
Just wait until GTA IV comes out... If it comes out.
So, the more we play video games, the more we're likely to be good kiddies and not flout the rules? Who'd thunk it was possible!
It's the butler who did it, agent, sir, not me.
@Bianca,
Clearly it is impossible that a hobby that keeps teens entertained and indoors could possibly lead to a lower crime rate!
Duh. The criminals were all inside training on violent games for next year's armageddon. Obviously.
In some interview months ago Thompson already refuted these stats. You see, according to Jacko, the crime rates are actually going up but they just aren't being reported. Jacko knows all.
There is a decline...

...in crime rate. Dr. Wright (SimCity on the SNES) should be here rewarding us with that new special police station
SO, how long before accusations that the industry got an army of General Washingtons to got them this result?
I suspect it is just a matter of time before someone comes along and says:

"Gamers spent the first half of the year playing games in an effort to practice for the violent rampages they exercised in the second half of the year.

Being inside practicing kept gamers off the street. Once practice time was done, they went out and commenced to perpetrating."

This type of news can always be spun the way some ass-monkey wants to spin it.

To me, and everyone here, it is great news! Decreased trend is always a welcome fact in the land of violence.
@jccalhoun graduate student

That's because the FBI is in on the conspiracy along with George W. Bush, Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Elvis and John Lennon. I wouldn't be surprised if God himself was in on it too.
Causation does not equal correlation (or, in this case, its inverse). So whether or not crime rates go up or down in any given year has potentially nothing to do with the issue of the effects of video game violence. For instance, one could argue that, yes, crime rates are low, but if violent video games were banned then the rates would be even lower. Or one could argue the opposite. The point is, if you make EITHER argument (based on the data cited above) you're talking out of your ass, because without more data you can't tie video game violence to crime statistics in any meaningful way.
@sleepy

Oh really? Violent games ALWAYS make the top selling list (in the millions) and the crime rate has been decreasing at about the same rate since the 1970s, so I think we can make a conclusion based on that.

Moreover these violent games always sell in the millions and we have never had a year where the number of murders was anywhere close to one million (not even half a million).
@Father Time:

We really can't. A decrease in crime rate is such a macroscopic event that it's nearly impossible to link it to anything specific. It could be the case that violent games are causing an increase but there are other chilling factors that counter it.

What we can say about it is that the crime rate going down means it's *not* going up, so when people rant about violent crime increasing we know they're making it up.
It may not may not prove that violent games decrease crime, but it sure does help argue that violent games don't increase crime.

FUN FACT: If you tie in the release dates of several violent games (like DOOM, GTA, ect.) with the FBI chart that covers their release date, you'll notice something very interesting.
According to some (self-declared) "experts", the reason youth crime rates have been down the past 10+ years is that fewer people are reporting crimes and that medical treatment is reducing fatalities. The geriatrics have already made up their mind, so reports like this are irrelevant.
this is nice and all but i doubt people like thompson will actually give a shit. i wouldnt be surprised if he went off and cited this as another example of governmental conspiracy against "teh children".
"GP: Perhaps Bully, Counter-strike, GTA and the other usual gaming suspects aren’t leading to the decline of Western Civilization after all?"

You can say that all you want to Wacko Jacko, but of course he won't listen and it'll cost him his career.
Zereodash Said: "According to some (self-declared) “experts”, the reason youth crime rates have been down the past 10+ years is that [...] medical treatment is reducing fatalities."

Oooh, love that one. The only way medical treatment would reduce crime would be...if it were to directly reduce crime. Say, take away the ability, opportunity, or reasons (!) to commit crimes. Reducing fatalities does little but give people a second chance at life--and crime, if that floats their boats.

/Obviously/ advances in medicine are the real culprit here.
@sleepy

Here is a correlation....
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4548aa4a2b64e21892c524bhm3.jpg

Violent people are atracted to violent games, games keep people of streets so it's only natural that games would lower crime rate in the short term and while it may raise it in the long term the chart above is one of the many fun little facts that somewhat undermine that theory.... though not fully...
G-men are right.
you can look at it this way:

why doesn't the news report every day that a plane doesn't crash? because it's not newsworthy.

likewise, while sensational crimes are reported, you don't actually hear anything about all the non-crime that happens. of course the likes of Thompson only believe what they see on Faux News, so they can suck it.
@aspeaker

That is what I am talking about.
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finally, hard evidence to combat the bullsit being flung at us from evey angle.
When sales of hot chocolate go up, violent crime rates go down.

We can't say that hot chocolate makes people less violent, because correlation isn't causation.

What we can say about it, is that hot chocolate is delicious, especially with whipped cream.
It doesn't matter is there is a correlation or a causation to video games causing or stopping violence. The only thing we should focus on here is the plain and simple FACT that "violent video games cause violence" are just plain dead wrong because there are even more evidence from the only people who would actually know what they are talking about when it comes to crime rates.

Here it is, more proof that JT, Yee, The Govinator, Hillary, Liberman and a whole host of others that I can't bother to remember or pay attention to are just plain wrong when it comes to violent video games.

I doubt that any of them will listen though. I am sure as pizza is delicious* that JT will never, ever admit he is wrong but I don't think he will matter much longer.

*New York style FTW
@aspeaker

Friends (the TV show) debuted in 1994 and ran until 2004. The number of crime victims (in the chart you posted) has an almost linear relation to the number of Friends episodes available within that time period (which is, arguably, a stronger correlation than the one you suggested). Does this mean that this is strong evidence that criminals decided to stay home to watch reruns of Friends instead of robbing and killing people? Does this mean that Jennifer Aniston is a crime-fighting national hero?

No, it doesn't. Correlation does not equal causation. Unless you control for other factors, a correlation drawn between two variables is meaningless. (This principle, in fact, is fundamental to scientific research, and is the primary motivation for the controlled experiment. Of course, there are some situations in which it's not practical or possible to conduct a controlled experiment. In such cases there are statistical and methodological techniques to help account for factors in an uncontrolled setting.)

So your suggestion that violent games keep violent people off the streets might be right, but it might be wrong. It seems logical, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. However, the FBI crime data doesn't support it either way, so at this point it's just speculation; it's an untested hypothesis. (At least, as far as I know. Maybe someone has done a study. If anyone knows of one I'd be interested in reading it.)
"People who are on an anti-video game agenda, like Leland Yee, are not concerned about facts. It is their belief that is enough."

Unfortunately for Yee, politics is still a science along with sociology. Faith has no room in politics.
Crime among citizens went down, treason among politicians went up.
Jack and those who share roughly the same mindset will probably not to use the quote "stick that in you pipe and smoke it" because they do not want to accept it. Instead they will continue to charge blindly ignoreing everything that undermines their claims. Useing anything that supports their claims (regardless of how out of context they have to take it for it to support their claims) to fuel their blind and singleminded charge unfortunatly they will stop untill they hit a wall they cant dissmiss. Unfortunatly jack will be forever trying to "lay siege to a winter" to use another quote.

the point im laboriuosly trying to make is that as much as we would like Jack and his ilk accept this and other proof that videogames are benefical they will only dissmiss this and other evedence brought against their claims. Only a few will see the evedence and accept it
@Lost Question:

FBI crime stats that show a decline in violent crime are not proof that videogames are beneficial -- unless you graduated from the Thompson School of Statistical Analysis.
@ JDKJ,

I think he exactly meant that.
Hmm, I think that the correlation in the chart is interesting, but like so many others have mentioned, there are many more factors contributing to a decline in violence, however I think that given the fact that Thompson and his ilk have no real respect for actual facts, we may be able to use this bit of data (the holy statistic) and see what his response is, I mean lets face it, if he denounces it as lies then we can ask him what his statistics are and the like, it would be great just to see what happens!

I think we have earned a bit of free anti Thompson statistic use
I know it's off-topic, but since we've drifted there anyway and GP seems to have given in to the "too much Thompson coverage" criticism and because there are some really good Thompsonisms to be found there (for all the Thompsonism collectors in the house), FYI justicebuilding(dot)blogspot(dot)com has seen fit to give Mr. Thompson his own thread (based, in part, on requests by the readership that he be relegated to a place where they wouldn't have to deal with his numerous, off-topic posts), to which Jack has posted, among his many other interesting postings: (1) a graphic-laden, ranting "brief" (which, trust me, is not to be missed by any true Thompson afficianado), and (2) a scathing letter to Judge Tunis re: her denial of Jack's attempt to use family illness as a grounds to delay his disciplinary procceeding. It's top-shelf stuff, if you -- like I -- enjoy a good head-scratch and a chuckle brought on by Jack. Highly recommended.
@ Sean

You've been reading pointlesswasteoftime.com's article on '5 Reason Why Jack Thompson Is Right (And Wrong)' haven't you?
We all know the real criminals are just moving to Canada with all the big gaming companies anyway. That's obviously why gun murder is up over the last five years in Toronto! (See kids? Anybody can do statistical manipulation, not just lawyers.)
@Internet Hate Machine

No it was an article about how there was no epidemic of youth violence, they used a different chart though.
Oh. Where was yours from?
I don't remember, it was just something I ran across while researching.
It's all thanks to the Wii family-oriented titles.
Jack Thompson and the Florida Bar-B-Q Update:

Jack let slip in a recent posting to the ABA's dotcom Law Journal that the Florida Bar's proposing a 3-year suspension of his license. Of course, because it comes from the keypad of Mr. Thompson, there's the assumption that it isn't credible, so I share the info for what it's worth. But, if true, it does shed light on the recommendations that will be contained in Judge Tunis' Report (due April 21), as it is, in my observations, unlikely that she will deviate too much either way (up or down) from the sanctions that the Bar proposes to her.

Ed.: It's not disbarment, but a 3-year time-out in the box ain't a slap on the wrist, either.
@JDKJ

3 year suspension...

Yeah, still s'more & Guinness worthy.
Yes, I'd bend an elbow for a 3-year suspension, too.

And, once suspended, reinstatement isn't atuomatic just because the 3 years have passed. There's hoops to jump through. And Jack ain't good a jumping through hoops.
final proof of the bullshit blaming violence on games is.
I like pizza...



Alot.
=)
Re: FBI: Crime Rates Down in 2007

dont try to use violence and say that kids are seeing it on games and going out in the world and killing people maybe u should get up off ur ass and stop eating donuts and do something.........................................

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