In Soviet Russia, Video Game Clan Kills You

In Soviet Russia, Video Game Clan Kills You

January 17, 2008
An apparent clan rivalry in Lineage II sparked a street fight which left a Russian man dead.

Russia Today reports that "Albert," 33, was beaten to death in the city of Ufa. From the story: 
It all started when two clans - the Coo-clocks, made up of mostly students, and the so-called Platanium with more experienced gamers of over thirty - started fighting to wipe out each other on screen...  

Albert used to spend hours in font of his computer.  On the web he had his own clan and a dozen of warriors. Just days before the New Year in a virtual battle his clan killed a member of the hostile Coo-clocks. 

Days later the enemies agreed to meet literally face to face in the real world.

Although the choppy translation doesn't mention which game Albert and the Coo-clocks played, a screenshot from Lineage II accompanies the article, so we're assuming a connection. Albert's grieving sister told Russia Today:
I think [the rival clan] have confused the game and reality. And after we buried him on December 31, they continued to threaten us.

Comments

That's a bit... extreme!!! To say the least.
Wow ! Even the Days Of Our Lives' "Broe/Phloe war" didn't go that far...
. . .

What. The. Hoof?!?

Some people really really aren't fit for society, after all.
Apparently, Cupid's illigitimate drunk distant cousin, Stupid, has been wacking people over the head again.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I hope Alberts' sister doesn't mean just the rival clan when she says 'they'. It sounds to me like both clans agreed to this. Poor decisions all around in this case.
Yep, Russian sources claim that the game was definitely Lineage II.
Could we just mark this up to darwinism and move on? I really don't want to live in a world where the Bloods and the Crips are fighting the Coo-Clocks for territory.
You mock now, but it won't be long before we're tearing each other apart for the last Feathered Helm of Winness.
Well I just finished reading the article and as callous as this sounds this isn't going to end well for gamers, online or off, especially once certain "experts" catch wind of this story. Even though the article ends on that "this is rare" comment people are going to overlook that and see "game=violence=evil=game". I truly do feel for the families of all reported here, even the murderers' families as they're all going to lose someone as a result of this. I also hope this is proof that online vendettas should STAY online and we can never be sure exactly what will happen.
I'd probably understand if the feud was over World of Warcraft...

but noooo, it had to be some mediocre MMO...
Love the article title, Dennis :)
well, here, there's still alot of shit still being flung from the "experts" from past massacres. if they can find a conection to video games, they'll exploit it. this is acually one of the few with a connection that isin't fabricated. but this is bbetween groups and isn't linked nessiarily linked to lineage 2.
So fucking stupid.
All I got out of this article is that, in fact, gangs are violent.
wow - that's insane! some people are just fucked up...
LINEAGE 2: SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS

Seriously though, THOSE people (the ones who take gaming Waaaay too seriously up to THAT point) are the cancer killing gaming. The "protect the children" crowd would never have existed if it weren't for those kind of people. I mean WTF man.Gangs formed over Lineage 2?
It could be worse, I suppose. Still, it could be a lot better.
I hope this catches on over here. I look forward to the roving gangs of wowfags killing each other.
if people are actually physically attacking each other, over a game, i'm disgusted by them.

we keep things in the game, thats what they're for.
you play games, got differences? you fight in the game, settle things where the problem is. you take it into RL, this happens, and its stupid, plain and simply stupid.
@Dennis: In Soviet Russia, Thumbs up get YOU.

On a more serious note:

"The alleged murderer hasn't shown regret and hasn't justified himself. 22-year-old student just calmly explained why he killed his opponent.

On the web each of the clans had its own hierarchy and rules

“Beat everything that moves, and everything that doesn’t move - move and beat!” – this is one of the rules of the Coo-clocks clan.

In this case the rule applied to real people in real life. Members of the internet Coo-clocks clan continue to harass the family of the murdered man, threatening to kill his sister, who hasn’t turned on the computer for days."

That is just farked up. .
Twin-Skies, you FAIL!

Not only is WoW inferior, but such action taken by the Coo-Clocks STILL should never have come to pass had it been a WoW clan.

The only defense your point has is that WoW is an MMO made for beginners!
That's worth a journalism point purely for title :D
I remember an incident liek this in South Korea a few years ago. In fact, every case I've ever heard where someone was murdered over a MMO involved the Lineage series.
I'm not surprised a group of people who proudly call themselves the "Coo-Clocks Clan" was involved. What a waste of carbon those people are.
Jack thompson would have a field day with this.
@theshroomguy

Jack Thompson doesn't give a shit about Russia.
@blackice

he probably would if it helped him.
Not the first time I've heard about this. There was a spat of fights breaking out in internet cafes in South Korea when the original Lineage was big. Again, an example of what happens when something is not taken in moderation, and, to counter the JT model, the gentleman in question was over 30. The article mentioned 'younger' players, but that is 3 decades of 'younger', and I honestly don't see the realism behind a horde of 10 year olds mobbing this guy over one character. Nope, no 'Save the children' argument here.
Bad taste on the headline. Dude's dead, not really the right opportunity to make a crack like that. And you wouldn't throw a joke into a story about a US gamer beaten to death. Bad form.
The headline made me realize that part of me kind of misses Yakov Smirnoff, in a "boy, he really wan't funny" kind of way.
*wonders if DarrelBT is part of the Legion of Anonymous*

You wish Sleepy. You obviously aren't aware of the Soviet Russia meme.
@sheppy

"I really don’t want to live in a world where the Bloods and the Crips are fighting the Coo-Clocks for territory."

I lol'd
Before anyone starts talking trash about game violence, let's first point out a few things:
1. Linage II is an MMORPG, not a ulta-violent murder simulator. The grind in MMORPGs isn't the same sa Grind House.

2. These were both adults. Stupid, pathetic adults who didn't see the game wasn't even worth what they were paying for it, much less the time it would take to meet someone they didn't like.

And, even though there has been news from all over the world recently about video game related violence, I wish to pose you a question or two...

1. How much alcohol related violence happened in the world in the past 48 hours?

2. How many alcohol related deaths happened in the past 48 hours?

3. Are there any new laws up for discussion on the regulating of alcohol, perhaps a new prohabition?

See, I'm willing to wager that the number of video game incidents is lower in the entire world for a week, maybe a month, then the answers to 1 and 2 above for 48 hours in any given country where a video game incident took place. A bar fight breaks out and people needs stiches, it doesn't even make it to local gosip, much less even a local newspaper. Someone bouces a controller off their dads head in Upper Elbonia and every major publication in the world is running the story within a day or two, along with political analysis.

People fight, they fight over turf, they fight over the color of hankerchiefs, they fight over HD formats. At some point, it stops being news.

Was this news story more important than any of the other 200 (number POoMA) people that died in the last 24 hours, some for more pointless reasons then this?
Heh, you just know he who shall not be named will try it ;)
This incident is stupid beyond words.
A clan named the Coo-Clocks? The name alone is enough to suggest these guys are a bunch of nuts.

You know, if I actually had to confront a clan in real life they'd most likely be an awkward looking bunch of teenage geeks and I'd shrug my shoulders and walk off. This is how it should've played out for them.
Pardon my ignorance,
But if your lineage character dies, is it permanently dead?

Either way though this is beyond stupidity.
When you're a Platanium you're a Platanium all the way.
@Skyler:

Exactly! I was thinking that this was more of a gang thing.

When it crossed the thress hold to real life it became something like a gang.
If someone could find me the Russian article, I can translate it a hell of a lot better than that.
prolly was a private server version of linage 2 (free lineage 2)
I doubt gangs play games 24/7.
This has very little to do with games and a great deal to do with Russian society...

In Russia a humans life is worth as little as the dirt on your shoes... This isn't a criticism of Russia, it is a by product of the soviet years and first hand knowledge of Russia as it's citizen...

The fact that they killed someone over an internet beef isn't that surprising, what surprises me is that they actually had some reason to do it... friend of mine was killed for two rubles not to long ago...




ahh the young it was only 20 years ago that young people would simply go jew hunting with their parents while government officials went on TV and told jews to run and hide for their own safety while telling 'true' Russians to make it a pogrom for the whole family...western games have truly destroyed the youth of Russia... If anyone thinks the last paragraph is a joke or slander think again, I saw such friendly broadcasts myself....
It does seem a little odd that a bunch of teens killed one of a bunch of adults in a "clan match," in RL of course
@ chadachada(123)

Meh. One of the first things one should learn is that the internet is never to be taken seriously, if only because it's SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS! I guess this now extends to online games as well.
Idiots. What happens in a game is just that, a game. Don't take it over into real life. There is a.... subtle but defiant difference.
@GP: Why was the headline changed from "Video game kill you" to "Video game clan kills you"

The original was a better headline. Because in the context of russian reversal, it made sense. Sure, it didn't exactly tell the story, but it was still a better headline.

In America, you kill video game (as in finish the game)
In Soviet Russia, video game kill YOU

But the new one doesn't make that much sense.

In America, you kill video game clan (O_o)
In Soviet Russia, video game clan kill YOU (o_O)
I just realized (and perhaps I'm dumb...)

Coo Clocks Clan?

Klu Klux Klan?

coincidence? I think not.
With a name like the Coo Clocks Clan (an obvious play on the KKK) and the fact they "show no remorse" and are still threatening his family after he's dead, I'm thinking there might be another element involved, like racism, that isn't being reported. I can't see someone, no matter how crazy they are, murdering someone, then threatening to kill the rest of their family, entirely over Lineage Lootz.
The question is, why wasn't the clan's name, and therefore members banned in the first place for being so offensive that they call themselves the Coo-Clocks.

Does someone want to run this past NCSoft?
This is the second of 2 cases i've seen where video games has been proven to be the actual cause of murder.

In both cases the games in question was MMORPG's and from what i've seen it wasn't mental influence that sparked the violence. In the first case, a guy somewhere in Asia (South Korea, i think) killed a friend of his that sold a sword that the soon-to-be murderer had given to him, after the police had turned down his request for arresting his friend with charges of theft. The sword in question was the rarest item in the game. The second case was this.

Back on topic, this is just outright ridicolous. I have to agree with shady8x here, i don't know much about post-soviet Russian society, but i'd wager his description is pretty accurate.
Same thing happens at football matches the world over. No one has as yet banned that. These are isolated incidents probably fuelled by bravado and alchohol.
lolwut
this is the article in the official site of Rusiatoday, sorry but my english is not good,

http://www.russiatoday.ru/scitech/news/19777

este es el articulo en el sitio oficial de Rusiatoday, perdon pero mi ingles no es muy bueno
sorry i make a mistake a in my last reply, that was for another blog you can erase please :(, and i think some gamers are obsessed with the virtul world,
they create a bad image of the other players

sorry again because my english is not good :(
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