Fox News Smears Mass Effect

Fox News Smears Mass Effect

January 22, 2008
Like a bad penny, allegations that highly-regarded Xbox 360 title Mass Effect is porn disguised as a video game keep turning up.

The smear campaign crossed over to the mainstream yesterday with a Fox News report which aired on the network's Live Desk program.

Talking head Martha MacCallum hosted the segment, which featured a brief, tense debate between talk show host/author Cooper Lawrence and Spike TV game guy Geoff Keighley. While Keighley did a commendable job defending the game, right from the start it was clear that Mass Effect was in for a beat-down. As the segment opened, a Fox News graphic read:
"Se"Xbox? New Video Game Shows Full Digital Nudity and Sex

MacCallum: ...a new role-playing video game that is leaving NOTHING to the imagination... in some parts of this, you'll see full digital nudity. Imagine! And the ability for the players to engage in graphic sex and the person who's playing the game gets to decide exactly what's going to happen between the two people, if you know what I mean... Basically, Pandora's Box is open. I mean, kids have access to these things... How damaging is it, really?

Lawrence: ...the damage is this. We know that all the research shows that violence has a desensitizing effect. Well, sexuality does too... Here's how they're seeing women. They're seeing them as these objects of desire, as these hot bodies. They don't show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it's a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.

Keighley: That's completely incorrect... first of all you can actually play as a man or a woman in the game. Cooper, have you ever played Mass Effect?

Lawrence: (giggling) No...

Keighley: ...you mentioned it has full graphical nudity, that's completely incorrect. There's no full nudity... there's the side of an alien boob... it's a small sexual situation in this game which is about two minutes out of a thirty-plus hour experience... you can actually play through this game without the sexual situation ever happening -

Lawrence: (interrupting) Right, and a young boy's going to be choosing not to have sex. That'll be what they choose. I mean, let's be realistic here -

Keighley: Cooper, it's not a simple choice. You don't turn on the game and it says, "would you like to have sex or not?" It's through the evolution of a relationship with characters and the fact that this game has incredible artificial intelligence. You can actually fall in love in this game. It's just like modeling your life...

Lawrence: (interrupting) Darling, I gotta go with the research. And the research says there's a new study out of the University of Maryland right now that says that boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they're seeing in the video game and the real world...

Keighley: You're completely misrepresenting the game...

Lawrence: Let me at him, Martha...

Keighley: It's a fantastic game and sex is a small, little part of it.

MacCallum: You know when you buy video games... you have to pick up the box and look at the back for the rating and you have to be involved in what your kids are looking at...

Male Panelist: Who can argue, possibly, that Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas is a good thing? It's not. And I'm definitely not going to let Mass Effect in my house...

Female Panelist: I'm not sure why it didn't get an Adults Only rating. That's the highest rating it can have. So, first of all, this board that rates them needs to have their head examined...

2nd Male Panelist: I would argue that the government can not and should not censor everything coming across the web and in video games. At the end of the day... it's up to parents to control what their kids are seeing.

GP: Another disgraceful game bashing from Fox...

GamePolitics has previously demonstrated how shoddily some of these reports are thrown together (see: How Fox Morning Show Sensationalized the Halo-in-Church Issue). Nor are gamers likely to forget Fox's allowing Jack Thompson air time to bash video games while the Virginia Tech massacre was unfolding.

As for Cooper Lawrence's expertise with video game issues? It's apparently nonexistent. She is the author of several books - on dating: The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace with Your Inner Overachiever; Been There, Done That, Kept the Jewelry; The Fixer-upper Man: Turn Mr. Maybe into Mr. Right in 5 Easy Steps; and the unforgettable Cosmo Girl's Quiz Book: All About Guys.

Comments

I also love how panelist 1 says Mass Effect is like Luke Skywalker and Debbie Does Dallas put together.
Eh... Have they seen that movie? Mass Effect is like Bob The Builder compared to it... Ugh, I hate ignorant people
Watching that report was like seeing a monkey bang two rocks together; totally without purpose, insight or effiency.
THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYED TO FEED YOU THEIR PROPAGANDA.

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AMERICANS, BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY THIS THING CALLED... NOW WHAT WAS IT. OH YEAH! "THE FIRST AMMENDMENT!" FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY! THEY ALL EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT THEY FAIL TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ENTIRITY OF THE CONSTITUTION! TO BE A BIGOT, YET DENY THE CONVENIENCE OF "AN ALIEN BOOB" (AND QUITE WELL-DONE ASS) IN A GAME THAT SURPASSES EVEN HALO 3 IN CONTENT QUALITY IS QUITE ANNOYING CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS NO EXTREME CONTENT OTHER THAN A CRACK, WHICH ANYONE CAN ASSUME MOST KIDS SEE IN SCHOOL ON A DAILY BASIS AND BY MAKING A FUSS OVER IT THEY ONLY MAKE IT MORE OF A WELL-KNOWN FACT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THERE IS A "QUESTIONABLE SCENE" IN MASS EFFECT (no sh*t this is an ongoing sentence, see if I care!). WHATS MORE ANNOYING IS THAT I CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT AND I FRANKLY DON'T GIVE AN ARSE'S DONKEY WHAT THESE LOW-LIFE FOX ANDROIDS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. LET THEM CONTINUE SPEAKING THEIR PROPAGANDA INTO THE MINDS OF THE IGNORANT AS LONG AS THEY LIVE, FOR THIS IS WHAT THE AGREEABLE DESERVE FOR THEIR INABILITY TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES (Considering more than this pathetic issue of MASS EFFECT brought up by FOX NETWORK NEWS).

FOX NEWS IS THE WORLD'S ONLY "TERROR THREAT."

("terrorist" isn't a fraking word you nincompoops. Pay some respect to your enemies and at least call them "Rebels" so as to ease America's minds of this fear tactic.)

How Existential this convo' hath been. w00t
People still watch Fox News?
This just gets more stupider.
It's thanks to that douchebag at Townhall, that this crap is even thought.
"Let me at him, Martha..."

That kind of says it all, doesn't it?

It's like that high school tactic some guys would use, calling up a guy to ask him to come outside and talk for a minute about some bullshit, and when he does come out, 6 buddies jump his ass and beat him down.

But then again, since when does Fox really do news? It's like the TV version of a supermarket tabloid: All screaming headlines and crass sensationalism.
There should be a place in the world we can send all the stupid people to exist together in harmony. And it should be full of very large spikey objects, flame pits and killer bee swarms, so the rest of us sensible people can get on with our lives in peace.
Given the fact that more people are caring about the market crash, I don't think many people gave a shit about what Faux News says. After all, when have they ever published the truth and nothing but the truth?
goot for keighly for pointing out the pahllacies straight off the bat, some people just dont want to listen though.
All these idiots did was find Kevin McCullough's bullshit blog then basically quote it word for word, and like him ignored all of the facts and answers slapping them in the face.

They're all idiots every last one of them, except Keighly obviously since he actually knew what he was talking about. Not one of them knew anything about the game other than some outright lies they obviously stole from Kevin McCullough's blog. That Cooper Lawrence person has nerve to talk about the game making men/boy objectify women when all she does it objectify men and make them conform to her idea version of what a man should be like, like men are play things to her. She needs a good smack in the mouth, and I'm not saying that because of her gender but because she's flat out stupid.

That "2nd Male Panelist", whatever his name is, is the only slightly respectable one of the bunch for at least saying that the government should not censor things. It's just too bad that right after he said it was up to the parents to control what their children are seeing, McCallum being the moron that she is said "Yes, it's unfortunate."

It figures though that not one of them listened to the facts and even ignored the comments that Microsoft statement made telling people that they can utilize the console's parental controls and such, to which they basically said kids could play it when the parents aren't around. The damn thing uses a password system to keep that from happening.
I feel sorry for Keighly, for having to endure the sheer stupidity in that "fair and balanced" panel. Could Fox News get any more bush league with this? Seriously they need to go back to public access with this fodder.
This is absolutely absurd. Some people are so blinded by their own ignorance they just hear what they want to hear everytime. This, coupled with the fact they clearly love picking on an easy target results in a travesty of a report.
Disgusting. These people should be penalized for false advertising. Fair and balanced my foot.
@Trevor

At least the Kevin guy apologised, and then removed the collumn entirely.

Someone should have told Fox News that little tidbit.
Well, clearly she admits to being a gender bigot. Misinformation based on gender, inflammatory comments directed solely at males while ignorning the WHOLE Truth, incompetant research (or more to the point NO research) on her part.

She is no professional in ANY sense of the word. Quite frankly, she's the most corrupt, incompetant professional alive today. She admits she's done NO research on the game directly. She throws around gender bigoted claims about males then tries to link them to a video game which she's made FALSE claims about to being with.

THIS is the type of professional that makes me totally not trust ANY research, of any kind, that has been done.

Naturally, it isn't unexpected of a News organization that openly fought for the Right to Lie to it's viewers. Tabloid trash would be nobel prize winning work compared to this ignorant bigoted garbage.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Fox News is trash. For my daily dose of corporate kool-aid, I prefer Google News.
@nightwng2000

This might explain Cooper Lawrence's ineptness:

http://www.cooperlawrence.com/

I have nothing against feminism in general. Its their extremeists that just happens to piss me off.
Cooper Lawrence is a hypocrite. She bashes a game she has no knowledge of for "objectifying women" even though it does the opposite because she wants to play the victim even as she dreams of dominance over men and even goes so far as to attempt to "teach" other women how to bend men to their will. She calls him "Darling" at some point. Darling? How condescending could she be? What would her reaction have been if he had called her "Toots?" I thought that we were past that sort of crap in gender relations - but according to sexist Cooper Lawrence we're not.
this... is just stupid. a waste of time, money, and space.
Typical Fox Noise crap. As a former viewer, I can tell all of you that Fox "News" always stoops to this level.

If anyone takes Fixed News seriously. they should look at this (it is not funny) http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/20124-fox-blows-it
My head hurts from banging my head against the coffee table while reading that transcript. But, then do we really expect Fox News to research anything outside of their pre-conceived notions?
Go Geoff.
At least someone actually had their facts straight.

"Darling, I gotta go with the research. And the research says there’s a new study out of the University of Maryland right now that says that boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world…"

Ha.
Haha.
I'm a 16 year old.
And I'll choose to skip a 2 minute sex scene to just get back to the game.
I saw the sex scene (who hasn't? Well, obviously none of these people..), and it's just boring.

"I’m not sure why it didn’t get an Adults Only rating. That’s the highest rating in can have. So, first of all, this board that rates them needs to have their head examined…"

Again.
Hahahahahahaha.
This just makes me laugh.
Let's bash someone for doing their job! Yay, Fox!
Christ Almighty. Are games not allowed to 'grow up', can they include mature themes without being shat on from a great height from people who have clearly never played a game in their life.

And then what about Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy. I take that one slipped under Fox's all encompassing radar. Well, at the risk of giving them another witch to hunt - Controllable sex, sex in a cutscene involving a man who is technically dead (ooer), a strip tease unlockable cutscene that does little to tease.

Sometimes I think the people that start these fires ought to be rounded up and shot, but of course, I only think this because I play games and it is my only response.
Typical fox/cnn coverage of an issue.
um, the rating is on the front of the box, the content desriptors are on the back.
I can see another one of their tactics here. One thing viewers will see is the ages.

Basically I guess it's "Well, he's obviously young and has no idea what he's talking about, she is older and thus more experienced and thus smarter."

As for the panelists, I doubt they were shown whatever the hell it was they were being asked about. The question was likely along the lines of "would you play a video game with hardcore porn in it?" and hoping for "omg no thats gorsz" as opposed to *shows a video* "What do you think of this?"
@Extra_Life

Of course not. Adults playing with children's toys? That's just silly.

Seriously now, kids can re enact sex scenes with Barbie dolls or even Legos, so I dunno where these people were when the first Lego Pron was coming out on the web.

Hell, unless modded The Sims is also no better.
Speaking of sexual content, Faux News must love it. They use sexual imagery gratuitously in all (and I mean ALL) of its shows.

http://foxattacks.com/blog/18210-fox-attacks-decency-with-bill-o-reilly-...
Twin-Skies,
I'm not really even pleased by the less than extreme segregationists either. But they don't rile me up as much as the bigoted segregationists, such as Ms. Lawrence clearly showed herself to be.

True Equality/Non-Discrimination doesn't come from treating each other as groups based on race or gender or any other grouping as seperate from all others. It comes from treating each other as individuals and recognizing the quality of each individual. That's what I got from King's speeches. But sadly, so many others felt it had more to do with rising up and segregating one group from another.

There are two other ways I try to show this in my own ways:
(1) I don't follow the traditional idea of "what does want? What do they think as a group?". I concern myself with what my friends, family, and aquaintences think, feel, desire, etc. Much easier to know what the individual is than worry how they compare to other people whom I don't know personally.

(2) I don't count how many of a particular group that I have as friends. I don't worry myself with "I have too many friends who are " or "I don't have enough friends who are ". In some people's eyes, I may appear to associate myself with one type or another. But in truth, I couldn't care less what groups they do or don't belong to. I get along with people who get along with me. That's all that matters to me.

Ms. Lawrence, however, shows herself to be the type of person who follows the ignorant idea that if someone doesn't live up to her bigoted stereotype, then they must be "exceptions to the rule" rather than "they are individuals who prove the rule false to begin with".

Sadly, such individuals have organizations such as FOX News to spread their misinformation and deceit and incompetence all around, while covering up opposing viewpoints as much as possible. And why cover it up? Simple. The arguments made by such individuals such as Ms. Lawrence cannot stand up to the Truth, The WHOLE Truth, and Nothing But The Truth. So, they limit opposing viewpoints as much as possible.

Nightwng2000
NW2K software
"Smear" was an interesting choice of words. To smear something is to intentionally misrepresent something as being bad. A smear is inherently disingenuous. The more I think about it, the more I think that's exactly what's happening here.

But who is smearing, and why? I guess the most likely bet is a PR company working for another game concern.
Ugh, sorry. Got preachy again. So embarrassing.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Meh, I guess the most likely bet is just bad journalists making up scandals. Cuz, like, I guess there's aren't enough real problems.
Remember, Jack has gotten a fair amount of airtime on CNN as well. It isn't just "LOL Faux News does it again". It seems like a lot of the mainstream media has a strange perception about games. I don't completely understand it.

And the headline! Sexbox? really? Can it be more pathetic. A Journalist is supposed to expose the truth and enlighten the world. What the hell is this? The only program that has truly been honest about this topic is The Daily Show, and that is a very sad thing. I'm just thankful that someone was there to say the truth.

I'm just complaining about the media in general at this point.

It's painful to watch though. You see these people who say these terrible things, and they are so very very wrong. But no matter what you say, they still nod in agreement and laugh at you.

I hate that they had to choose Mass Effect as their target, it's an amazing game. So many games have tried to do what it has done with putting you into a story and it's come closer than anything else I've seen. I think it's an example of things to come. I don't really see games as a nerdy little hobby, they're genuinely important to me. I want to see the medium grow, the way american comic books DIDN'T grow for such a long time, due to censorship and all that nonsense.

Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant didn't it?
Acording to the ESA, the average age of an American gamer is 33 years-old.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php

Maybe somebody should point that out next time Faux News tries to stereotype all gamers as adolescents.

We have mature movies, mature theatre and mature literature, can we not also have mature games?
I would've thought that the book claiming to 'change' a man in 5 easy steps would have been evidence enough that she has NO clue about any aspect of a sexual relationship ever. How could she be the 'expert' in video game sex. What's her next book: "How to level you WoW character in 5 days." Or maybe "Men are from Mars, Videogames are from hell."
My son playing a game for the 30 seconds of nudity in a 30 hour plus game. I think every kid will agree that's alittle bit too much trouble for some pixelated boobs.
Cooper Lawrence, isn't a feminist - she is what the fringe Right trots out when they want to look feminist.

Let's be honest - people who believe Fox News also drink in Townhall's message verbatim. I think Mass Media should be a required course, before High School. We need to teach people to be critically wary of the news. GP has shown before how little preparation is done for these "pieces." I wonder how many Americans know that the TV "s"experts (see what I did there Fox?) have no credentials and are given copy (and by copy, I mean a writer has the 'report') around 15 minutes before broadcast. 24-hour coverage means a lot of air-time to fill, and that means NO RESEARCH.

It's odd that even Fox talking heads say things like, "You know when you buy video games… you have to pick up the box and look at the back for the rating and you have to be involved in what your kids are looking at…"

That's exactly what everyone wants, knows, or is trying to teach people. But that gets lost in the charade of "debate."

But I'm going to take that a step further. Parents should research the news they watch with the same intensity. But you'll never hear that on TV.
@Buckeye531

Headline translation:

Fox news leads the way in the fight against sexuality with OUR biggest dick!
Oh, as for those "scientific studies" I heard once that if you can't repeat it, it's not science, and I have yet to see a result of one of those studies repeated.
@ Seb

When you put it that way, if I had a son who played a 30+ hour game just to see some boobs I'd sit down and have a long talk about time management. I would certainly commend his commitment, though.
@~the1jeffy

Other types who watch it are those who consider drinking any coffee other than Starbucks a big sacrifice.
@kurisu7885

Starbuck's black muck is..."coffee?"
"Right, and a young boy’s going to be choosing not to have sex. That’ll be what they choose. I mean, let’s be realistic here -"

So we all know a young boy will choose sex if they have a chance..... so the answer is to hide it from them... cause if they don't know about it how bad can it be. This is whats wrong in this country everyday normal stuff gets turned into something evil and instead of explaining and educating our children we just hide it from them and then wonder what happened when little Suzy has a baby or Johnny gets AIDS.
Honestly, how many of you as younger boys would rather play a game for unknown hours for a 30sec-1min sex scene? Especially when you could turn around and find all the "free samples" of full hard core porn? I guarantee the game would have been the last place I look for my sexual imagery fix!
and the unforgettable Cosmo Girl’s Quiz Book: All About Guys.

Ah Cosmo, porn for teenage girls.

What, don't believe me? Flip through a copy next time you're in the grocery aisle...

With such socially responsible titles as "Make him orgasm every time!" "1001 sex positions!" and the ever favourite "What does the shape of his genitals tell you about his personality?"
@Twin-Skies

The nectar of the gods to snot nosed elitists.

@Awol

At least a decade ago if a kid saw a naked boob on TV or on a magazine, their parents sat them down for a talking to of what they saw.

Today, a kid sees a naked boob on TV or on a magazine, they get five years of therapy and a lawsuit goes to the maker of said image and politicians get on the ban wagon.

The times do change.
@Twin-Skies
Good one.
"…a new role-playing video game that is leaving NOTHING to the imagination… in some parts of this, you’ll see full digital nudity. Imagine!"

Yeah, it's called Sexy Beach 3. I'd love to see what Fox would say about this game.
I don't have a television (I do use Joost), and I am still not missing anything apparently...I would also add that even though many Americans fly off the handle with the topic of sexuality, none of the people I personally know are that way.

A few of us "yanks" have evolved beyond the puritanical behavioral system.
[...] Apparemment, contrairement à ce que je croyais, l’affaire n’est pas terminée puisque Mass Effect a fait l’objet d’un… heu… “débat” sur Fox News. Vu le titre choisi par la chaîne (“SeXbox? New Video Game Shows Full Digital Nudity and Sex”), on ne pouvait pas s’attendre à un traitement honnête. Bon, en même, temps, c’est de Fox News dont il s’agit, et on peut au moins se réjouir qu’ils aient donné (brièvement) la parole à quelqu’un qui savait vraiment de quoi il parlait. J’ai nommé Geoff Keighley, de SpikeTV, qui a fait ce qu’il a pu face à la psychologue de service (laquelle en faisait des tonnes sur un jeu qu’elle n’avait visiblement jamais vu). C’est déjà ça. [...]
Even if there was full on sex, what matters? Movies and TV can do it, why not videogames. Considering the average age of gamers and the sheer success of the entire biz in the past 10 years, it is only natural that things will mature.
The funny thing is, all this same bs isn't being made up over and over again. They aren't all that creative. Since the early stories were so thoroughly and publically debunked, why would they still run with them?

At this point, it has to be intentional. But why? Why would they go after a game so easy to defend? Why risk suit from EA or MS, knowing that MS has a huge stake invested into the series being a continued success?

If they wanted to demonize games and gamers, there is a lot better games to choose from. I just don't get where this is coming from.

I also don't get how the destruction of entire sentient species (Arachnids, Krogan, Geth) gets nary a whisper, while a butt and a nanosecond of side boob make people grazy.

Guess it just goes to show you, some people in this country would rather wipe out human existance than let other people see someone naked.
When that twat was so dismissive and called him "darlin", I felt like slappin' her.
"Se”Xbox? New Video Game Shows Full Digital Nudity and Sex"

Can't...Resist...

"IT'S MAH SEXBOX, AND 'ER NAME IS SONY!"
This is just retarded, I'm sorry but that's all it is.
I'm just amazed that this is still being argued. All you have to do is play the game to realize that this isn't anywhere near 'Luke Sykwalker meets Debbie Does Dallas' and that the M rating is rightly deserved.
Personally I find it insulting that they consider this offensive. I can name out of my head 15-20 movies that were worse. I've borrowed books at the library that were worse (and I was a minor at the time). I've seen web sites that were worse. I have one question for them. What kind of a world are they living in were Mass Effect romantic scene (I refuse to call that a sex scene) is offensive. And also I am insulted by this phrase "Right, and a young boy’s going to be choosing not to have sex." Well the relationship with the alien (who has no sex actually) is well written and her comments on what's happening are well written. I wanted to see mor of.

Why can't they talk about the performance of the guy who voiced Wrex. Or the choices you have to make. Why must they always think I'm stupid because I play videogames.

"boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world…" Wow... so boys cannot make the difference between a world were we can travel between stars using space Gates... I guess boys think barney, Santa Claus and the teletubbies are real... Oh no those arn't video games... As a 14 years old boy I could have taught them about world geography, and history, in english, a language that is not my native one. And they think I couldn'T make the difference between games and reality...

Every gamer should ban Fox news...
When their ratings will drop sharply they will understand.
If we let our money do the talking they will understand only when it's too late.
We already did this to the music industry. if Television doesn't learn to respect it's audience they shall fall.
They are taking us for stupid sheeps well let's prove them wrong.
Shit like this is why i don't watch Fox anymore
I couldn't finish the clip... I got to the "panel" part of it and it was so ignorant and uninformed and COMPLETELY out of touch that I couldn't even watch it.

If it's possible to be grossly, willfully negligent (and I use that word to its fullest legal and moral definition) in new reporting, that was it.
Fox News = EPIC FAIL
This is exactly why I do not watch network news. Support your local township and buy a newspaper. It may not be immeadiate notification, but you can hope someone put some real thought into the articles and did some research on the stories.
more shit flung at us- when will it stoP?
If you simply replace "Video games" with "TV" throughout the entire discussion, this would've never been broadcasted.
Great, another Bill. I wrote to Martha MacCallum directly at Fox News. I don't care if they are not well liked, they should still be corrected, and our voices should still be heard.
What worries me is that the dialog right now is over whether there should be stronger controls in place to ensure that young people don't have access to sexually explicit games. This'd be a fine dialog to have except that it's a solution in search of a problem - there are no games on the market that are sexually explicit to the extent the nay-sayers are worried about. All this uproar is essentially over a game that DOESN'T EVEN EXIST - which is a shame, since the time could be better spent on topics that matter.
Why does fox make such awful news?
Actually, I'm glad they picked on Mass Effect to pick on this time, rather than something like Postal or a R* title. This time, anyone who spends even 5 mins worth of research on Google would get to see how great a game Mass Effect is and how high the potential for gaming is. Maybe they'll even play it and like it.
Am I the only one who gets really pissed off whenever you hear some person over the age of 35 go "and these games today are crazy whatever happened to (pacman/pong/atari)" it really does happen quite often, and it's annoying every time
@dustin1986

Exactly! I don't give a s*** when the dumb media masses attack Manhunt 2 or Postal or something. But when they go after Mass Effect, a game I had been waiting for and anticipating for months on end...grrrrr! The scene is 15 seconds or less and the most you see is an ass. As many people have said before me, I've seen ten times worse in PG-13 movies!
"Well, I'm not going to listen to you because I have an imaginary friend who says he did a study on this that says you're completely wrong! Isn't that Right Doctor Fairyprincesspants?"

Can someone find this study from Maryland that somehow rejects all of the common sense and actual evidence that have been into studies about game violence and adolescent boys? I like that nice blanket statement there, too, "...that boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world…"

So... From that statement, we can come to assume that any male who has ever stared at a television believes that there have been countless alien wars and that, even though they are on the other side of the screen holding a controller, that they are somehow actively partaking in the digital sex?

Remember the Halo 3 incident ont he talk show where their expert doctor was someone who wrote a book about weight-loss for girls? It may be a vague connection, but these mindless idiots who write books about dating and feminine issues and how to nag your man into doing _____ seem to have kind of a sexist agenda. Kind of a big leap to make, I know, but there is never talk about young girls playing this game, only that they are somehow objectified and damaged because of Mass Effects single sex scene. I fail to see how a little girl, or and female for that matter, can misconstrue that one scene as insulting because a man and an asexual blue alien decided to have sex.
I hope someone is updating Mass Effect's Wikipedia page with all of these false criticisims for the record. At least if one of these morons decides to look it up they can see where other news groups are getting it wrong.
I'm lucky I don't have Fox News then. Just like my father said, they're not looking for real news, they're just looking for sensationalism. Every TV news network that are looking only for that isn't trustworthy.

At least, I have CNN (much better in my opinion) and various Quebec TV networks that, at least, can give accurate informations. I also read the newspaper and listen to the radio.
I am getting so sick of this shit...
This is the email that I sent to the show,
"You recently had a segment on your show about the game "Mass Effect" for the X-Box 360. You said that the game displayed "full digital nudity" where the game grants the "ability for the players to engage in graphic sex." Frankly, none of this is true. You yourself admitted on the show that you have not played this game and let your guest psychologist say that women are nothing but objects who's worth is defined by their sexuality and so on. This is not the case. While we all can agree that turning women into mindless sex object is a terrible thing, the point is that "Mass Effect" does not do this. For a brief two minute cut scene, where, I might add, the player has no control over their characters, there is a love scene between you (the captain) and a crew member. This scene is neither pornographic, nor explicit. I would compare it to the kind of love scenes that can be seen on day-time soap operas.
Now, there is some upheaval in the video game community about the misrepresentation that games are getting. And Fox News has done this before. That being said, there are many who despise Fox News for what they call "disgraceful game bashing." Sorry to say, but Fox News has allowed some questionable facts about video games make it to the air, and this show is no exception. If you can please, please at least rent the game and play it for yourself, I would be glad to hear your opinion. I agree with Keighley from SpikeTV here when he said that you are "completely misrepresenting the game."
Thank you very much for taking the time to read this, and I hope that amends can be made."
I blame this whole thing on Penny Arcade. If they hadn't been so excited about elevating a petty idiot into a supervillain, nobody would ever have noticed the townhall guy's delusional rant.

Now the precedent has been set, and the next nobody goofball can rocket to stardom just by writing a rant that Mario Galaxy teaches kids to rape puppies and then "leak" the URL to the Penny Arcade forums.
They are so clueless...

The news... LOL, what a hoot
I needed something to brighten up my day, thanks. Great stuff :)
@Hunty

GP reported it well before PA did, so...
Skyler whats the Email address?
@ Hunty

I learned about the Town Hall guy on Game Poitics and responded to him there long before Penny Arcade picked up on it. Many other posters were from Kotaku and other enthusiast sites and were posting before PA commented. IMO they were a little late to the party on this one, though I do love how they managed to stir the pot.
@ Logan

Martha@foxnews.com

When choosing her show in the "Contact Us" list that is the e-mail provided.
Like the last guy who diss Mass Effect she has her own "radio" show. http://www.cooperlawrenceshow.com/index.cfm?&
I suggest that people call into it and try to get on and see what she says.
"Who can argue, possibly, that Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas is a good thing. It’s not. And I’m definitely not going to let Mass Effect in my house…"

What is WITH these conservative pundits? Are they sex deprived or something? How do they keep interpreting a side shot of some body curvature, followed by some blurry shots of bodies, equate to full on hard-core pornography?

My gawd, it's like those gel bracelets, and how conservatives would take great delight in describing IN INTRICATE DETAIL all the different sex acts each bracelet would entail... practically drooling as they went...
After watching the video, I picked up on one comment from Cooper that should have disqualified her from this "debate" instantly.

"Watching this made me feel old. What happened to the days of Atari and Pac-man?"

She obviously has no clue how video games and those who play them have evolved or developed. If she thinks video games and thinks Atari 2600, she has no reason to be debating them on television.

Also, where was Geoff Keighley at the end? Why didn't they let him talk with the panel? Cooper was talking with them. Did Geoff get annoyed and leave?
Fox news is the biggest pile of shit on T.V these days >_>.
Fox News... ---

stopped reading right there.
All the news treats games this way. Stop being a biased liberal nut Game Politics or at least do a better job of controlling your bullshit partisan attacks and "Fox News is the devil" rants.
@ Pochoski

But other people do watch it. Those people need to have the record corrected just like anyone else.
Does anyone really expect anything better from Faux News?
Hey Unpartisan

Fox got it wrong. Should they be ignored untill CNN gets it wrong, all in the name of fairness?
Jabrwock,
Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me that, based on the way she took the "sex scenes" out of context of the overall story, she would take the "fake orgasm" scene from Harry Met Sally and claim Meg Ryan was being raped in a Public place and that no one cared because men only see women as "sex objects".

It is, after all, the same. Take an intimate love scene out of ANY story, no matter the medium used, and it can be described the way she decribed the ones in Mass Effect.

And the male Panelist's description of Luke Skywalker and an erotic movie is as ignorant as trying to link the revelation of Luke Skywalker and Leia as advocating incest, ignoring the fact that they didn't know they were related earlier on.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
LOL Cooper isn't much of a relationship expert, despite her doctorate. Her radio show consists mostly of Celebrity Gossip. Her show is webcast live 7:00 PM to 10:00 PM EST on 1079thelink.com. The alternate website for her show is
http://bobshouseofmeat.com/

If you want her to make her show interesting email: Chad@BobsHouseOfMeat.com

That's one of her Radio Show's producers, not to mention he answers the phones for the show.
I forgot Chad likes correct Cooper on stuff on air.
I watch Fox News religiously and listen to Fox News Radio in the car. I can't stand CNN or MSNBC because of the liberal idiots like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann. Anyways, I do think that when Martha got off of the teleprompter she was a little more sensible, but yeah, they didn't represent this game as it truly is at all, making it seem like the moment you put the disc into your 360 it forces you to watch a full sex scene. In fact, if you're a kid, you're probably not gonna want to deal with the cutscenes and talking to crewmembers and you'll just focus on the action scenes, so most kids would probably avoid the sex scene altogether. Fox definitely dropped the ball on this one, but I'm still going to continue enjoying what Fox News has to offer.

That's my two cents.
I meant to address "Unbiased" a few posts ago. My mistake.
wow, she doesn't even appear to have a wikipedia page. I guess it doesn't take much to be an "expert" on the 24 hour news channels these days...
You know what makes me want to resort to violence? not games, not movies, but crap like this. I hear them blab on about all this stuff in the game, when they haven't even played it, and only say CLIPS of a 30+ hour game. that is like saying "oh I hate chocolate.." "have you ever had chocolate?" "no, but I saw a wrapper of a chocolate bar and I think it looks gross"... because that is all they see, a small part of something that isn't even the main subject of tha game, nor is it even a fraction of what the game really is. Every stupid lie and fabrication I hear spill out of their filthy lying faces just throws me into an inner rage. And it isn't even just this game, its with everything. that is the problem with alot of these news shows and 24 hour news shows. they get shit thrown at them and they want to be the first to brodcast it, so they just throw whatever they find on the screen. if it is correct or not is a non-issue, all they care about is being the first to say it so they can claim "first in news!" to get higher ratings. Not to mention most of these shows are politically bias, which has been true for some time, but real news should be unbias... unfortunatly that may never happen, you can only hope to hear all the sides and judge for yourself.
It's incredible that Keighley kept such composure...were it me, i would have laughed lawrence off the set.

Probably a good thing they don't call me.
And let's not forget that it was HER who labeled the female characters as nothing more than sex objects, even though each character, male AND female, each have very specific details, beliefs, skills, abilities, thoughts, that are shown throughout the overall story.

Apparently, Ms. Lawrence is, in fact, the one incapable of seeing the complexity of individuals and only able to see the physical aspect of what is presented to her. Actual players learn far more about each of the characters involved. She, on the other hand, is too incompetant to bother learning about the characters. Her claim is that males only see women as sex objects, yet it is HER who has limited the view of these characters as nothing more than sex objects.

Too bad her doctorate can't be revoked. Evidence such as this should be the kind of thing that proves she did not earn it ethically.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Wow, Lawrence is awful. I know it's Fox News, but when I see a talking head that condescending and irrational it never fails to leave me quite speechless.
Didn't you know? Calling yourself an expert excuses you from knowing what you're talking about. Why? Cause I'm a god damned expert. Who are you to question that? You...lesser people you, who are not on the prestigious and respected Faux... I mean Fox News Network.

"Male Panelist: Who can argue, possibly, that Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas is a good thing. It’s not. And I’m definitely not going to let Mass Effect in my house…"

I can argue that. Watch: It's a good thing. So there? Oh, that's not convincing? Neither are you.

"Female Panelist: I’m not sure why it didn’t get an Adults Only rating. That’s the highest rating in can have. So, first of all, this board that rates them needs to have their head examined…"

If you're not sure then why are you commenting on it? I thought pleading ignorance NEGATED any input you could possibly have. But since you're on Faux News that's not an issue, of course.

"2nd Male Panelist: I would argue that the governement cannot and should not censor everything coming across the web and in video games. At the end of the day… it’s up to parents to control what their kids are seeing."

The first, informed, sensible thing to come out of anyone's mouth here besides Keighley.

The rest of them are a disgrace to journalism and service to society, and in the usual style of Faux News are using fear-mongering and misinformation. I cannot abide this level egregious misuse of the airwaves.
I guess the Writer's Strike is over if Fox News is running.
You have to ask yourself, do they find these 'experts' on the streets and under the motorways?
@PeterWDawson

That implies that somebody over there thinks enough to write this down.

@BlackIce

I think they come from a pit somewhere.
I better get this game before the ESRB is forced to rerate it AO due to the media.
I used to watch Fox News because it was funny but this is a bridge too far ...
@Cheater87

While I do detect your sarcasm, it won't happen. This is no Hot Coffee. This is the Reactionary Bandwagon, rolling on all its own. The ESRB has nothing by which to be pressured.
@nightwing

I'm with on this one.

I also find it more than a little hypocritical of her to talk about the objectification of women in videogames when she wrote a book for Cosmo of all things.

Of course there's also her book about changing a man because he's not good enough. There's no objectification there at all.
What the hell? Where was all this bitching when Melrose Place was on television?

I saw a lot worst on that show when I was a kid than in ANY videogame.
You know, this whole objectification thing reminds me of the Resident Evil African fiasco. I didn't think of it taking place in Africa as being racist, but the people who are on a constant vigil for racism created racism where there was none. Similarly, we now have sex where there is none.
[...] Yesterday, FoxNews continued the overblown Mass Effect controversy. They invited some random psychologist and a guy from SpikeTV to debate the issue. [...]
Sex-box.

HAHAHA! So funny and original!
funny thing is they completely missed The Witcher
where at least they would have had a point in objectifying women
as you collect sex card of the women te main character has sex with...
but I guess since it's based on a novel they would have had to open another can of worms that might not be considered an easy target.
not sex cards, sexy cards...
@Kenji

Well hopefully the bandwagon has brittle axles because I don't know how many more passengers it can handle!

First, I'm still getting over the "Sexbox" pun, because it reminds me of Family Guy :p

Next, I would agree with the theory here that most of them gathered most their "research" from the McCollough blog and it's part of the newest wave of "a little birdie told me" type of journalism where speculation is more important than facts. Leave that crap to the tabloids.

There are a lot of things you can pick at these short 6 minutes. Possibly even more than a Jack Thompson interview because that's just cracking down one person instead of several more like here. I liked it when Lawrence actually laughed with her "no" response. It's like she doesn't care that she admits to not trying 1st hand impressions of the game. And "whatever happened to Pac-Man?" Pac-Man would be sitting alongside Custard's Revenge and Leisure Suit Larry in the 80's.

I didn't like the banter between them at the end of the segment either, particularly with the woman who complains about parenting becoming more difficult in keeping track of your kid's hobbies. If being a parent was a job listing on Craigslist, it would look something like this: "MUST ENJOY FAST-PACED ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO THINK ON YOUR TOES." The world changes at the blink of an eye and if you're not ready to adapt to new parenting practices, you might as well have an attitude of an unmotivated worker who complains every time your boss throws new challenges at you.

The male panelist is the least offensive of the bunch, but of course you're not gonna let Mass Effect in your home. You have a six year old, give her something like Super Mario Galaxy instead.
You know what?

I mean look at these jerks! those idiots!


I for one played and beat Mass Effect the game they are full of it. Ask me anything you want about it..
I'll be damn honest and not sugarcoat any of the bullshit they are trying to pull.
I mean who they kidding?

(Below are comments made in this clip from TV) That I felt I should clarify in my own words ;)

At 13 years old I had seen enough action movies most kids my age could only dream of. I didn't turn out fucked up and with the world today how the hell could anyone not know what sex is? Or let alone War?

The concept of war is pretty much the same as it's been for ages. Sex, is well sex and most kids who don't know about it at 13 should get a quick lesson about the birds and the bees from mom and dad or else you can have a Juno on your hands! Of course she's what 17 in the movie? Ok, Ok let me give a better example Britney spear's sister Jamie Lynn. Plus all the damn diseases out there people should be made aware of the fact. What age? Maybe 13 seems like a start.


All I'm saying is these people who talk like they know something need to get there head out of there ass.

Shit like this makes me mad. I mean what happen to Atari and Pac Man? That Generation grew the fuck up. Like it or not we as people who are 21, and so on and even 18 years old and up we demand more games to are taste. I for one like first person shooters. That's me and I enjoy them. With time all things change.
I mean who the hell at 13 years old like a girl watching a soap opera with her mom doesn't see a couple engage in some short of sex at?

Mass Effect shouldn't ever even been looked at for Adult rating like the one lady said.
There is nothing more than a game suited for people who are mature.

That's another thing doesn't "mature" state 17 and above right? Well, last I checked to be able to see "R" rated movies you had to be 17..... So it makes me wonder why another rating called adult? In truth I long for more games that are adult rated even though there is no point in such a rating when I thought mature was pretty much the one that covered the area on such games that we play.



Then you got the Hillary's and Jack Thompson's as well, as Obama's attacking one of my most favorite and looked forward to past times.

What people won't go to great lengths or to make them self known to make a point a pitiful point as a 13 year old boy looking at playboy. Well, last I knew what kid wouldn't have seen it by one of there friends?

Some people just need to grow up and face the music of the real world and understand you can't control everything let alone the fact you at some point young or old has known a lot of things they are trying to pawn off as bad on to someone else or saying it's bad.

To me if people are going to attack video games why not rap music? I remember a time when rap music was actually good with no name calling and such... of course that time has come and gone very quickly before it was changed into what people call rap nowadays.


Oh well, what's the point of saying any of this when the younger vote is going to put Hillary and Obama in office?


In the end maybe none of it matters... As the saying goes it don't mean nothing.

To me it does because attacking something you know nothing about just makes you look even more stupid! and I hate it when people deny the fact the world is a cruel and nasty place and yet the only way to make yourself feel good is to believe otherwise about fairy tales. When in fact what they are attacking is something that deep down makes them feel good about attacking something they no nothing about and take other people's words over. I mean something people use to enjoy the world in the world we live in today you think would be more supportive.

I mean a university and all it's great wisdom usually throws shit out there about what they know and don't know just to make a point right or wrong.

I say don't judge a cover of a book unless you know what the fuck it's about in the first place.
@Sledgehammer

They aren't judging a book by its cover. Their judging the book by somebody else's IMPRESSIONS of a cover.
@Gameboy

Can't rick him informing the public.
Wasn't Cooper Lawrence the same "expert" that trashed video games last time? I tried looking her up on archive, but I couldn't find anything.

Either way, she's looking for a pinata, and Mass Effect is that pinata. Geoff did a respectable job defending the game, but what is up with the panelists? Adults only? Did she not pay any attention to Geoff's response? She obviously did not know a damn thing about the ESRB or ratings in general.

I know it's not the answer but Bioware does have an in if they want to sue FOX News since they obviously misrepresented the game in a negative light (and after Geoff's rebuttal, intentionally so).

I'd be more apt to question Coop's "expertise" in the area since she can't even relegate some time to play the game she is blasting, but that seems to be the all the rage these days.
@MacBoy
The things that Fox's conservative pundits like Ann "brainless" Coulter and Bill "falafel" O'Reilly say make them far worse than Matthews or Olbermann.

If you need proof, type in the following on YouTube search:
Olbermann - worst person in the world.
You know, looking at that clip, I've got a few things to point out.
1. Laughing at parental controls
2. Laughing at the thought of knowing what your talking about
3. One of them said that there is an "Ma" on the box.
4. A good chunk of this was about the evils of teh internetz
Oh yeah, forgot
5. A woman talking about women being objectified who then turned around and laughed at the thought that a boy would choose not to have sex. Sexism is only bad when its aimed at women right? Just like how racism is only considered bad when its aimed at non-whites.
and I promised myself I wasn't going to get angry today.....
I worked for Hard Copy as an intern for about a month. This is how the researched their stories....

Get an intern and sit him at a folding table with every newspaper in the country. Have him find a story that's already been reported that fits within certain guidelines (odd, weightloss, tragedy). I think Fox News is following the same idea, but surfing the blogosphere. No doubt someone at Fox came across "a$$-hat's" story and they ran with it.