MTV Talks to Cooper Lawrence & GP Asks: Is it Time for Gamers to Forgive?

Stephen Totilo at MTV News has new comments from self-help author Cooper Lawrence, who likely needs no introduction to gamers following 10 days of nonstop coverage of the Fox News / Mass Effect debacle.

Lawrence’s remarks, issued in a statement to MTV, were mostly conciliatory, although she dug her heels in on a couple of points:

In hindsight, I would have liked to have had the opportunity to play this game before appearing on the program. As a developmental-psychology expert, I was asked to appear on this particular show to discuss the broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents, not as an expert on ‘Mass Effect…’

I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.

Lawrence also criticized gamers’ guerrilla use of’s review feature to trash her book:

I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment. I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media. Amazon’s customer-reviews feature functions as a platform to review a product sold on their site, in this case my book, the topic of which does not relate to video games and/or ‘Mass Effect.’

Previously, in an interview with Seth Schiesel of the New York Times, Lawrence said:

I recognize that I misspoke. I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography. But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.

GamePolitics Poll: While Fox News rides out the Mass Effect storm unapologetically, Cooper Lawrence has borne the brunt of gamers’ wrath.

Given that she has owned up to making inaccurate comments about Mass Effect, our latest GamePolitics poll asks whether it is time for gamers to forgive Cooper Lawrence.

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    Kevin says:

    I did a little research via google on her after the incident and she really seems to come off as a complete joke, even without the incident. It seems all the fake reviews are gone, but about 95% of the book’s reviews are still 1 star. And the reviews seem to indicate she did no research in writing her books, just like with Mass Effect, and she’s apparantly made some disgustinly sexist comments in her writings. Also, in all of her clips on her site, this psychology “expert” seems only interested in discussing the antics of Brintey, Lindsay, and celebrities that end up on the wrong side of the law.

    Anyway, I say no, she shouldn’t be forgiven. She basically only did that to help with financial losses. She goes on to mention some apparantly nonexistent sutdy once again. Finally, she’s as close as possible to proving the apology is a sham by calling out the gamers for doing the same thing she did. I’m sorry, but she doesn’t deserve forgiveness. While it may be true that Fox lied to her, and if they did they deserve to be punished as well, but she still decided to go on the show. And it’s obvious she only went on to promote her book. Every single clip on her web site begins with the host of whatever show she happens to be on mentioning her book as she’s introduced.

    Another issue that pisses me off which is something she never apoligized for is her arrogant attitude towards Geoff. Her laughter at his question of whether she ever played the game just screamed to me that she believes gaming is a childish hobby that no successful adult would enjoy. And don’t get me started on the darling comment.

    Forutnatley, there’s common sense in the world and I think she’s suffered from her stupid comments much more than Mass Effect ever did. Honestly, unless she somehow discovers some kind of psychological breakthrough, I think she’ll forever be seen as a joke, and rightfully so. I think it’s time to move on and leave her in that mess she and Fox created and just go on with life and gaming. I’m sure we’ll be too busy fighting Jack Thompson’s attacks on GTA IV in a few monthes to even remember her anyway. Sorry for the length of this rant.

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    koku ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    when she critizized gamers use of the, does she realize that gamers arent given another way tto fight back? on the news stations, speakers for video games are selected based on how badly they speak. so thern gamers are forced to use gurella tacticts to get our pont across.

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    NecroSen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ sparky112

    I stand by what I said earlier about this situation. I believe the Amazon trashing was an equal and righteous action, simply because it gave a voice to the people that so many assume will just sit on their asses and do nothing.

    You say we should all band together and find a more morally sound medium to carry our voice, and I agree: every one of us should show the responsibility to take this mentality to a political scale, to get the word out that we will not be marginalized and blamed for the ills of society.

    All I’m saying is that you may not agree with the method of trashing someone’s book on Amazon, but see where it took us in the past few days. It gives outsiders such as Cooper Lawrence and the Fox News people that misled her a real perspective of our situation (though I doubt Fox News will get the point). It gives many of us jaded gamers a shining example of what we are really capable of if we band together. And, hopefully, it gives people a better understanding of the idiocy and utter uselessness of Fox News as a network.

    Now, let me just state that I would also prefer we took action that had more moral justification, but I am willing to accept this as a victory to be learned from. Let’s all take this as a lesson not of what kinds of guerrilla attacks we can use in the future, but what we can effectively do as a collective group. Write to your Congressman, voice your opinion openly to friends and family, engage in intelligent debate with people who don’t agree with you, actively seek information about related issues in the media, and generally be an active citizen and a real human being, not a slave to the whims of talking heads.

    …Especially those on Fox.

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I don’t know anyone who gets away with taking a shot at the people she’s apologising to.”

    to be completely fair here, she’s not apologizing to the people who bashed her book, or gamers in general, bashing a video game is not a slight on gamers, her lack or research was a slight on the bioware development team that created the game, they were the target of her apology

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    BlackIce, Dragunov Marksman ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Lawrence also criticized gamers’ guerrilla use of’s review feature to trash her book”

    She has just lost all credibility gained by apologising.

    I don’t know anyone who gets away with taking a shot at the people she’s apologising to.

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    AdioBam says:

    The way I’ve seen some gamers react makes the Fox report seem rather tame.

    but yea, Fox sucks, as does MSNBC and CNN. All it is is liberal and conservative (in Fox’s case) propaganda.

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    relax guy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    How is she an expert on developmental psychology… she writes articles like “how to tell if the boys like you” in cosmo girl.. was that cosmo girl or was it a different teen mag? i have no idea..

    i should go on fox.

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    CigDangle says:

    They only reason Cooper Lawrence is recanting her statements is because its affecting her bottom line.

    Yes, the gamer emails were annoying, and maybe they even made her think twice about her statements, but simply put: bad reviews on Amazon affect sales. And, although the rating may not have affected sales yet, she, and everyone knows that it WILL.

    And that’s why she apologized. Period.

    I don’t think we should continue punishing her, but I do think we should just ignore her, and not give her any more undeserved press.

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    Sparky112 says:

    @ lumi

    “The difference is, those other forms of retaliation don’t actually do anything to illustrate the problem. They’re blind attacks that don’t inform the public as to WHY the target is being attacked. The reviews DID explain.”

    Okay. To clarify, an action is acceptable as long as its both: 1) expedient, and 2) does something to illustrate the problem? That allows many illegal and immoral things, like hacking websites and replacing them with missives explaining why the actions were taken. It doesn’t make them right – it just makes them effective. I know you’re not advocating things like this, but there are people who will see it that way – “I have no recourse against this person, so I’ll do *whatever I can* to get my cause out there.”

    @ neveranything

    The best recourse is organization. Hell, the vast majority of people reading this blog are probably angry about the incident. Someone (the ECA?) needs to organize a letter-writing campaign to major newspapers decrying the incident in question, so that all those angry people can do something productive that’s going to last beyond the twenty seconds it takes some Amazon employee to delete all the negative postings unrelated to the book (which, as many people noted, was already failing quite well on its own without the help of angry gamers … so, wasted effort).

    Plenty of people read the editorial sections of newspapers, and while it’s not Fox News, who really wants to be on Fox News anyway? 😉 Seriously, though, if we spend all our time saying, “boo hoo, we don’t have any power,” then that’s going to continue to be true. And it just makes us look worse if we resort to extra-legal tactics to get our point across. If instead we respond through letter-writing and pestering video game companies (who DO have power) to make public responses to video game slights, then we’ll slowly but surely gain momentum.

    Look at the success of They are an advocacy group which grew out of a single incident (the Clinton dalliances) into a vibrant organization. Now, they’re not exactly making any politicians tremble in their shoes for fear of offending them, but they receive media attention and organize meaningful campaigns for issues which are important to a certain segment of Americans. It’s not impossible for people to organize and move forward under a banner of common interest. There just needs to be an effort of this kind for gamers.

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    Dave ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The “try to ruin somebody’s life” bit was more in response to the talk about DDOS attacks and such, and the overall prospect of trying to ruin her credibility over the incident. I think the Amazon bomb was warranted, absolutely, but just trying to advocate for a superior response.

    I’m sure they do. I was imagining a combined effort that would trigger a response from other news outlets to expose Fox and call them out for spreading lies. But I suppose that’s not very realistic. Like I said, I don’t know the answer, I was really just weighing in on the general principles here.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Some of you people waaaay too soft… She didn’t apologize as I’ve said over and over again. She, like almost every other person that publicly speak out against video games are not misguided, they have agendas and/or are complete idiots in their agendas and get the attention they desire because a competitor for television time (most networks, including 24/7 news channels) will pretty much support anything to make gaming an “evil” pass time so parents (since these “adults” still consider gaming primarily for little kids and consoles as toys) will turn off the consoles and watch more TV.

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    JC ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m with Korrd on this, I voted “nay.”

    The fact she makes money off of this and asks to be forgiven is basically being called an asshole and she gets $50 for each person she did it to.

    It is surprising she isn’t a politician. She’s good at acting innocent.

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    Korrd says:

    Hearing so many of you profess your forgiveness for Ms. Lawrence because “it was FOX’s fault!” makes me want to bash my head against the wall.

    I understand that FOX is not blameless–quite the opposite–but to say that Ms. Lawrence is in the clear because it wasn’t her idea or because she “apologized” is, frankly, appalling.

    She testified as an expert. Now, as far as I’m concerned, an expert knows the subject matter back and front. No exceptions. She knew nothing about Mass Effect, nor was she properly informed regarding the ‘study’ that she referenced. On all counts, she failed to fulfill her responsibility as a credible witness, let alone as an expert.

    The woman lied. By intent or neglect, she lied on national television. That it was FOX’s manipulation or that she admitted misspeaking is irrelevant to that simple point.

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    Bubb9 says:

    I forgive the Mass Effect incident but not the book games are no worse than movies(infact they are most often better because it engages the brain in an activity).

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    Stinking Kevin says:

    Hell no, it’s not time to forgive this liar. She hasn’t even apologized for lying yet. She hasn’t even admitted to it!

    “In hindsight, I would have liked to have had the opportunity to play the game before appearing on the program…I misspoke…somebody told me it was like pornography.” You call that an apology?! That’s nothing but a damned cop out. If anything, I have even LESS respect for this two-bit sellout now than I did before she made this so-called “apology.”

    Amazon feedback may not be the best place to lie about someone else’s work, but neither is Fox News. At least the people who used Amazon to express their unfounded opinions weren’t getting paid to lie, and they weren’t seriously claiming to be experts in a field in which they are actually unqualified to comment.

    Furthermore, as someone who has been following the “media is dangerous” debate through academia for a long time now, it’s obvious to me this woman’s “research” amounts to picking and choosing from the various social science experiments publicized by political panderers throughout the years. Buying wholesale into whichever sociological theory best supports your personal politics does not qualify as “research.” If she’s trying to tell us she conducted her own experiments on the effects of sexuality in video games, I am quite sure she’s lying once again.

    What bothers me most, I think, is that she still sounds smug, as if she thinks the gamer demographic is too stupid or ill-informed to see though her manipulation and mendacity, and she can quell our anger with a few lines of polite equivocation.

    Well, that’s not enough for this gamer. The time to forgive her will be after she actually apologizes.

    I think it is naïve to think that people don’t already write letters to competing news outlets about Fox’s misleading stories. If you watch, you’ll see pundits on MSNBC and CNN commenting on the superiority of their impartial reporting all the time, just as Fox claims to be the only outlet that is “fair and balanced.”

    The way I see it, the context of all this is not about who is reporting the story but why. Fox News runs stories about the evils of video games because they appeal to socially conservative viewers and bring in advertisement money. Cooper Lawrence lied about video games because Fox News paid her to do so.

    On other words, the way I see it, the context of all this is money. So what’s wrong with challenging Lawrence’s integrity in the marketplace? After all, she is the one who chose to put it up for sale in the first place.

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    TheStripe ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Nope, no apology for you. You came out and apologized for pretending to know something you didn’t research at all and even failed to respect for the three minutes you were on TV blathering, and instead of just shutting up, you had to lash out again by telling us that using Amazon to voice our opinions was wrong. Well, Ms. Nodoing Researchies, how exactly would we have been able to get you to recognize that you disrespected and infuriated 20 million americans? You closed your MySpace page, no contact info was provided from LiveDesk. You’re just pissed off that we managed to sneak by your security bubble so you HAD to recognize what a smarmy cunt you are.


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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sparky112:

    “Should we be allowed to commit DDoS attacks against people who offend us? What about phone harassment? These are different acts than Amazon-bombing, sure, but is it so far-fetched to imagine that someone would use the same logic to justify them – “they are effective”?”

    The difference is, those other forms of retaliation don’t actually do anything to illustrate the problem. They’re blind attacks that don’t inform the public as to WHY the target is being attacked. The reviews DID explain.

    @ Dave:

    “Our energy would be put to better use doing something to quell the larger problem at hand – something more productive than trying to ruin one person’s life in hopes that others will take notice, and then somehow think better of gamers.”

    C’mon…”ruin one person’s life”? It was trashing online book reviews, that’s nothing in the grand scheme of things. Just something that got her attention. Hell, the lasting effect is going to be minimal with Amazon removing the negative reviews.

    I think that a few people here are overestimating the simplicity of “finding a more effective solution”. It’s been said already, what we really need is some sort of representative who can compete in the media big leagues, but we just don’t have it right now, and nothing we do at the moment is going to produce such a representative in a timely enough fashion to respond effectively to the problems we face in the here and now.

    Honestly, I think this comes down to some people disagreeing over whether or not there was a moral imperative that was violated by the Amazon bomb, and I just don’t think we’re all going to agree on this matter. I respect your right to feel it was unwarranted, but I don’t feel it was. When we’re on equal footing with our detractors, then I will re-examine the issue.

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    Dave ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I hadn’t refreshed the page in a while when I writing my last comment, but I agree with Sparky112.

    As I said before, I think a better course of action is something that still needs to be discussed at length. And I agree with the problems and weaknesses of the points you made.

    Here’s one other idea: What if a lot of people wrote in to a competing news outlet with the united stance that Fox is putting out totally false and misleading stories and attacks the arts and creativity? You could cite the stories right on GP as evidence. I think one mistaken thought that gamers often have is that nobody else would care about this situation. But, when you can expand on it a bit and make it relevant to a wider audience, well, it just might work.

    Just an idea.

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    Dave ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    For sure, Lawrence is a tool. Literally. As others have said she’s just a pawn in all of this. Fox used her as a pawn to help present a story that would be easy for the masses to consume, and now the gaming community uses her as a pawn to further our own cause. That is, our attacks on her are due to the way we see her as a representation of the general problem(s) in mainstream media.

    While I understand the argument that the amazon incident was necessary form of communication due to a lack of other options, I’m still not convinced that the eye-for-eye approach was appropriate. Yes it’s all very ironic and clever and satisfying when the shoe ends up on the other foot, but two wrongs don’t make a right. I’m not claiming to hold the wise answers here, but I’m sure we could have thought of a less destructive way to retaliate against Lawrence/Fox/the MSM. The truth is, clicking over to amazon and trashing a book is easy and doesn’t really solve anything, and will bolster the social stigma of gamers being a bunch of vengeful, immature brats.

    To summarize: while Cooper Lawrence does hold some personal responsibility for being unprofessional and so on, I think we should be able to get over that. So what if her “apology” is shoddy at best? She is just one woman, and a product of our culture that sees people fighting for video games as “darlings”. Our energy would be put to better use doing something to quell the larger problem at hand – something more productive than trying to ruin one person’s life in hopes that others will take notice, and then somehow think better of gamers.

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    neveranything says:


    Then, in that case, where would we have been able to go to call her out in a public manner? She does have a radio show, but if we all called in to tell her off, then that would be considered phone harassment, wouldn’t it. As I pointed out before, she doesn’t have a blog or a comments page on her website. I highly doubt she’d come over here and read our comments, or search the web just to see everyone’s reaction to what she said. We could all have personal blogs, and we could all post entries about what she did, but that still wouldn’t leave that much of an impact, would it? Where does that leave us then?

    Without the ability to get time on major media outlets, the way we would be able to get her attention in a public manner would be the web, and I’ve already pointed out where are weaknesses are there.

    If you have any good ideas for how to handle the same situation next time, when the means of public outcry are as limited as they were in this situation, I’d love to hear them.

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    BigCityGas ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She bashed on Mass effect without playing it first hand, and we properly ganked her. We still are at this moment.

    We bashed on her books without reading them first hand, and she can’t do a damned thing about it. We still are bashing on her books.

    Forgive and forget already. Jesus. Mass effect will be forgotten eventually too someday.

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    Sparky112 says:

    @ neveranything

    I never said that the techniques weren’t effective … in fact, I specifically said that they *were* effective. :) But there are reasons certain things are disallowed by law (or, in this case, frowned upon morally), and one of them is because they’re too effective. My point, which you seem to agree with, is that we need to work towards where we have strategies that can be effective in the same way that our opponents’ strategies are (i.e. – responses in popular media).

    I think that where we differ is that I believe that it wastes people’s time and energy to make these underhanded maneuvers, like Amazon-bombing, when we could be having a real impact somewhere else. Is it especially serious that Amazon had a book voted down because the author is unpopular? Maybe not. But I am worried that if people see certain tactics as acceptable simply because they *work* and because we have few other means of recourse, that will allow a range of behaviors that I am *not* comfortable with. Should we be allowed to commit DDoS attacks against people who offend us? What about phone harassment? These are different acts than Amazon-bombing, sure, but is it so far-fetched to imagine that someone would use the same logic to justify them – “they are effective”?

    Such a scenario is not at all far-fetched if you consider that the next time this happens the person who slanders video games might not have a book on Amazon that people can mess with. In tha case, the people who are looking for effective strategies will seek out other methods when – in my opinion – they should be channeling their energies elsewhere. I’m saying we need to have a conscience and not do the things we do only because of their expedience. That way we can be both effective and make an impact.

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    Gift ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hmm time to let the Mass Effect fiasco drop certainly. She was good enough to own up to the mistake, fine by me.

    However, if she wants to take part in further gaming debates she should expect reasonable opposition, and provide references for her claims.


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    Nitherean ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”

    This would be that study from the University of Maryland? The one that she couldnt list the title of the study nor the author(s) of? That was my original question. It was nice to see Game Politics picked up on the question.

    The amount of violence and sexual content in video games, in the last three decades, isn’t even a drop in the bucket, compared to the flash flood of the three major religions for the past two thousand years. Or how images of the Holocaust just after WW II ended, and surfaced at the Numberg Trials.

    Frankly, if a psychologist tells you a video game’s violence has a greater impact over real voilence, or religious intolerance…..they aren’t a psychologist.

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    Kantana ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well, okay. I can accept the fact that she’s apologizing for speaking wrongly about Mass Effect, but saying that “boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world” is too much of an insult to me. I’m a full-scale gamer and I draw a clear line (duh) between the two. And why don’t games have the same effect on girls? That’s sexist, Cooper…
    But, hey, psychologists are supposed to be a good influence, right? I’m going to follow Cooper’s example by saying that “psychologists and the media have no clue whatsoever what gamers are like.” The funny thing is…that’s probably true.

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    Aaryk says:

    I voted “yes.”

    That said, I’m still skeptical as to how much she really means her “apology.” There was backlash from the gamer community for days before she finally admitted she misspoke, and that really seemed to be in response to the book-bashing that took place on Amazon. Sure, it was probably below the belt, but I looked-up her website first thing and emailed her my thoughts on the interview and I got no response from her — I’m sure no one did (not that we really expected one.)

    I think it’s unfortunate that Cooper Lawrence has to be the whipping boy (girl?) in this instance, but perhaps — just perhaps — this will set a precedent. Maybe in the future the “experts” will think twice before appearing on the sensationalist news hour without knowing the full story.

    It doesn’t seem that her “I was only on to discuss the broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents” excuse is exactly valid. Did she never ask someone to see some footage of the types of games being discussed? And once she was on the show, couldn’t she have just said, “Y’know, darling, you seem to make a valid argument, Geoff. Perhaps I rushed into this a little quickly and without knowing the details.” Admitting fault after the fact doesn’t mean much when she could have done something *in the moment.*

    I’m glad your publicist could give you some good advice re: admission of guilt. It was a wise choice, because I, for one, *am* willing to forgive. The problem here is that giving your speech on MTV means you’re apoligizing to the youth — the ones that already know you’re full of hot air. A real, heartfelt apology would be to arrange airtime on Fox News during the same hour so the target audience of gamer-hating-republicans you spoke to would hear it was wrong.

    *We* already knew it. You really don’t have to tell us again… unless, you just want us to stop retaliating.

    Fox News has officially hung her out to dry. When it all comes down to it, their “fair and unbiased” report was nothing *but* biased. And instead of just issuing an apology, they want to get EA or BioWare on the show so they can give some kind of credence to what was already said. When you’re wrong, just admit it. I promise, Fox, people will respect you for it. Maybe. But, the closest thing to a retraction that Fox has done is to point out that Cooper effed-up.

    It’s only out of pity for that sort of shoddy treatment that I click on “yes.”

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    Scarabus says:

    She’s just as much a victim as Bioware of Fox’s disgusting journalism ethics. Forgive her? Sure, why not? Forgive Fox? No way! This was not their last sensationalistic report, by far.

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    Andrew Hoffman ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I believe I voted yes this morning. But upon further consideration as I thought about it I really should have voted no. She in no way shape or form apologized or recanted. Furthermore, in this “apology,” she further attacks gamers, saying they shouldn’t have attacked her and they acted childishly. Well, what I have to say is “How exactly are we going to make our point otherwise?” I mean the average gamer is just barely starting to hit the age where they MIGHT become politicians. Gamers primary medium is the internet and the only ways to get yourself noticed, is to either post it where it will be seen, which gamers did. Or if you just want attention, go on Fox News and spout lies.

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    Wyvern says:

    I completly disagree. The Amazon blitzkreig (I love that word) is the only way we’re going to get through to anyone. When we speak, people don’t listen. This kind of emphasises for me the need for a group to speak for us that actually will speak for us. None of the current ones seem to do it

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    Gamer137 says:

    I forgive her, but some of her comments in her apology, I disagree with. Like how people rated her book. If she gave negative comments about Mass Effect without paying it, they can do the same with her book without reading it. I say, learn from your mistakes and don’t do it again, and this should be a warning to other attackers.

    But isn’t it great to not hear about Thompson much anymore?

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    spikycentur says:

    I just looked up her three books on Amazon..All three had one star average rating, with tags like “garbage, bigoted, junk, hypocrite”. There was only one positive tag amongst her 3 books(by this I mean one of the three had one positive tag), “credible”, and only two people had tagged it as such.

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    JJmug ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Scolar Visari we will never have enough spine. How is it that we can be ready to forgive her when she ever said I am sorry i painted gamers as nothing but violent perverts. HOW?

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    Scolar Visari says:

    I for one congraduate these gurillas in taking the fight to the enemy. While these tactics dont always work they were more than justified in this case. If we gamers can grow enough of a spine to take action then maybe these people will learn not to stick thier noses were it hurts. As of now we are only striking the limbs but, we must strike at the heart of these attacks if we wish to stop them.

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    neveranything says:


    I think you took my last analogy a little too far there. I’m not advocating that we should do “anything we want” in any situation. It would be easy to just walk up to the guy, nail him with a right and leave him on the floor, but that would be assault. It would be easy to pick up a sharp object and stab the guy, but that would be attempted murder.

    The “moral high ground” you’ve been talking about would be to take the guy aside, call him on his BS, and ask for a public apology. I’m sure more than a few people sent Cooper e-mails in that same manner, and I’m sure they all got brushed aside.

    The more normal reaction to the situation I posed before would be to tell the guy directly, in front of the crowd, that he’s spewing bullshit and to STFU. That’s exactly what happen with the book bombing on Amazon. We went right to the group Cooper was speaking to, potential buyers of her books, and told them she was shooting off at the mouth, and let her know that she needed to STFU. It was the only way we could get right in front of her and make her see that she was wrong.

    Like I said before, as a community we have no other outlet to tell these people in a public manner to back off. The most we’ve been able to do is send e-mails and discuss things on sites like this. The book bombing on Amazon was the only way for us to get at Cooper without her brushing us off as a few irate gamer nerds who happened to find her e-mail address. Unlike that conservative who went after Mass Affect before, Cooper doesn’t have a blog that we can use to respond to her directly and publicly.

    We don’t have a group that can send press releases to major news networks, even BS ones like Fox, or any other major media outlet and have them put the message out for us. The most we have is the ECA and sites like Game Politics, and even then, they don’t reach as far as we need them to at this point. Both the ECA and EA have spoken out against what Fox did, and it didn’t go very far. All it did was give Fox a means of spinning it again, and making everyone look like no-shows after Fox invited them on to discuss the game.

    I doubt that, without the book bombing, Cooper would have said anything just because the ECA and EA called her and Fox out. Nowhere in any of the interviews has she mentioned either of their press releases. Instead, she’s talking about the book bombing. Was it pretty? No. Was it on your “moral high ground”? No. Was it effective? Look for yourself, she back tracked real quick.

    Hopefully we can build on this and get some momentum going to get a big, widely seen public outlet for us as a community to speak our minds. Right now it’s hard for us to choose our battles, or where we fight them. When the opportunity arises, we have to get up and fight, otherwise we’ll lose the momentum we’ve been building recently against ignorant “experts”. The way I see it is, and I know there’s at least a few of you out there who feel the same way, ff the only recourse we have is to fight dirty, then let’s fight dirty, otherwise we’re not really fighting at all, and nothing’s going to change unless we fight. Maybe later, when we have a more established means of getting our own message out to the public, we can be more picky in who, how, and where we choose to fight, and stand on your “moral high ground”. But right now, I’m glad to be down in the mud and dirt, where I can at least be effective.

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    AmazedSatsuma says:

    Wow, I did accepted her simi-New York Times apology, but this one made her look like a total ass.

    She said it was unfair that many gamers treated her book the same way she treated the issue


    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”

    If you truly think that the content has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds then why she hasn’t condemned FNC for using the footage during the report and Cooper FYI avg gamer age is 33..not adolescent males

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    Jingle Fett ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Sorry for the double-post, but the rest of what I was saying got cut off. I just hope we can do something equally effective about the inevitable Thompson/GTA4 showdown…

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    Jingle Fett ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted no on the poll.

    “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment. I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media. Amazon’s customer-reviews feature functions as a platform to review a product sold on their site, in this case my book, the topic of which does not relate to video games and/or ‘Mass Effect.’ “

    Listen, if gamers hadn’t used the one weapon that would draw the most attention, she wouldn’t be here saying she misspoke. So she doesn’t like us bashing her book that she cares about? Don’t go bashing something we care about then. Also, I agree with Shaw, she didn’t simply misspeak, she arrogantly “debated”, was unbelievably disrespectful towards the guest (We all remember “darling”), showed zero professionalism, she did know full well what she was saying, the least she could do is apologize. Personally, I think it’s great that gamers pelted her book with crappy reviews (I tried, but didn’t have an account >.

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    Shaw says:

    I vote no because she is not apologizing. She admited to a mistake and blamed it on fox news. Whatever facts they may have given her it was her duty as an “expert” to research her own opinion and cite it. She generalized information and an entire group. She laughed at the other guest who had remained respectful and anticonfrontational. That shows a severe lack of professionalism and shows she made little attempt to make do research.

    It was more than simply misspeaking, it was her conduct and words that upset so many people. That warrants an “I’m sorry”. Nothing else. No excuses no blame and certainly not any lectures. I believe the amazon reviews were acceptable for this situation. It is not an eye for an eye but a lesson that she needed to learn. Sometimes direct action is necessary to push the message.

    So until i see im sorr yim not forgiving.

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    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Ashton

    Nah, its easy to dodge a blind persons attack. Thus the first person to remove both eyes from his opponent is generally the winner.

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    KayleL ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I clicked forgive her just because that is the kind of person I am, but I have change my mind till we get a proper apology. In a proper apology, you admit to your mistake, and stop there. What she did was saying that she made a mistake, and your behaviour is also unacceptable. True or not, you do say that while saying sorry.

    As for the amazon thing. I wouldn’t do it myself. I would make a e-mail at most. But I think it isn’t as bad as what she did. How many people are viewing Fox, seeing this bias report, and compare to how many people are looking at her book on

    Once she makes a proper apology, I would forgive her, but she would not say anything about video games ever again, or I would be just fine with a constant fload of hatred reviews, emails, what ever the gaming community could think of, let her suffer.

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    That_1_Guy says:

    I voted yes, we should forgive her. I mean come on Fox News did a prep talk with her about the sex scenes and she went on the air with that mindset. If anyone is deserving of this heat its the Fox News for turning a small sex scene into sensationalism.

    @ Well…almost everyone

    There are more powerful, more influential ignorant people than Cooper Lawrence. She has a book and Hillary and Romney are running for president. And really does anyone take Fox News debates seriously?

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    The Ninth Doctor says:

    1. It has consistently been shown that most of these studies have nothing at all to do with long term effect,

    2. The majority of gamer reviews stated that the author was someone who did not do research before adressing a topic, a valid criticism which would belong on amazon review page

    3. The gamers gave scores comparable to the scores already there

    4. The gamers views were remarkably similar to those who actually read the book

    5. Next time when someone invites you to discuss one thing, and then changes it to something you don’t know about, do the moral, and intelligent, thing and do not just make stuff up to make it on tv to promote your universally panned book.

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    gs68 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Until she apologizes to the gaming community, I don’t have 100% of the heart to forgive. Is saying “I apologize” or “I’m sorry” to us so much to ask?

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    Xalith says:

    I voted to forgive her for the simple fact that she apologized for her comments as they relate to what is actually in the game. Those who feel that she hasn’t made an apology seem not to understand the nature of public apology. In private, apologies usually end up with one party accepting most of, if not all of the responibility for having hurt the other party and doing their best to make amends. In public, apologies are more about giving both parties in a dispute a comprimse in which both sides get a face-saving way out. Don’t forget that the gaming community is not wholly innocent in this issue. Although it was effective, the Amazon-bombing of her book was a bit of an underhanded tactic. She has taken the first step towards comprimise with the gaming community. It’s our turn to take the next logical step and call our dogs off of her by laying off of the Amazon book review beat-down of her book. After all, we’ve made our point already, and continuing along those lines just makes us look like petty bullies. Our energies and efforts should be focused at letting Fox “News” and its sponsers know how uspet we are.

    *The first and last post I will enter using my Wii. Seriously, that took WAY too long to enter =P

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    Chard says:


    As far as I see it, Ms. Lawrence is receiving far more of a backlash than Mr. McCollough because her ‘judgement’ of Mass Effect was not just an indictment of the game but of gamers with no provocation. McCollough only ran rampant with his anti-gamer brush after we fought back against him, giving him (misguided) ammunition to use against us.

    It also doesn’t help that his blog is pulling a far less significant audience than an average TV spot, particularly a segment on the news.

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok here comes all opinion since we’re talking about the subject of forgiveness.

    In my opinion she has not given a sincere apology. Her latest comments sound like a woman scorned rather than someone who’s sorry for saying things she never should have. She still stands by the studies? What studies? Proof please.

    The one fact here is she’s never admitted to being wrong. She simply sidesteps it as a bad scene where someone told her, “It’s like porn”.

    Honestly I believe she’s upset because her pocket book is getting hit due to the book reviews.

    If she’s TRULY sorry then all she has to do is go on ANY television program after playing Mass Effect and give her own review about it. She doesn’t even need to reference the previous debachle. For me, the bottom line is she gives the game a review that doesn’t stink of ignorance.

    Until she TRULY makes up for the damage she’s done and makes ammends I cannot forgive what she did and her crying foul about gamers giving her the same treatment will fall on deaf ears until she does.

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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sparky112:

    You…still aren’t getting it.

    “I chose my words carefully when I made the analogy of the bully and the schoolbooks. The Amazon bombing is NOT the same as what Cooper did on Fox, and I’ll tell you why.”

    Yes, yes it is.

    “She went on a national television program, made statements about gamers and a specific game, which painted both in a bad light. What *would* have been tit-for-tat payback would have been if gamers then went onto a national television show (or some other medium) and painted her in a bad light.”

    Which…the gaming community has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of actually doing. However, that’s irrelevant, because…

    “That is the equivalent of someone beating up a bully who has been tormenting them – violence for violence.”

    The Amazon bombing WAS “violence for violence”, with the main difference being that we weren’t trying to pass ourselves off as experts on her book. Other than that, and the SCALE of the attacks (even with the many gamers who mobilized in this instance, the exposure of our statements to the general public doesn’t hold a candle to the level of exposure of her statements, made on national television).

    “What is NOT the equivalent is taking an action which is related to the current dispute ONLY because it’s the means of attack which is available to you.”

    How can you say that the ONLY relation between the two actions is that this is what was “available to us”? It’s related in almost every way, again with the exception that we had the courtesy not to claim any kind of expert knowledge of her books.

    – She spoke ill of Mass Effect without having played it. Gamers spoke ill of her and/or her book without having read it. Note that gamers actually had grounds for their claims (her behavior in regards to Geoff Keighley and Mass Effect during her appearance on Live Desk).
    – She claimed that playing this game would have adverse effects on gamers (particularly “teenage boys”). Gamers claimed that her books would have adverse effects on single women looking for relationship/dating advice. Note that gamers actually had grounds for their claims (her demonstrated lack of knowledge or research, and her dismissal of the very notion when it was suggested, into Mass Effect).
    – She cited a study which really doesn’t support her claims at all, certainly not in the way she insinuated, that young male gamers can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Gamers claimed that her advice was impractical and lacked substance or legitimacy (a fact which, incidentally, is echoed in the older reviews that were left there from non-gamers).

    The difference between what she did and what we did was in scope, and the specific medium we used. This is just like the violence-for-violence scenario of the schoolyard bully, right down to the difference of scale. The bully picks on the smaller child repeatedly, and the child finally responds just once. The bully learns his/her lesson. It’s all a matter of scale.

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    CyberSkull ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I am more than willing to forgive her comments when she fully apologizes for them. More than just her statements need to be apologized for, she needs to apologize for her arrogance and rudeness while she was on TV.

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    Timmay! says:


    What other course do we have to defend ourselves? It’s already been pointed out a couple times that the gaming community has little to no outlet to fight back against people like Cooper Lawrence. What do you do when you’re pushed into a corner? Do you take the “moral high ground” and just stand there as the bully whales on you? Do you take the moral high ground and just stand there when somebody’s robbing your house? Do you just sit there while someone’s speaking to a group and bad mouthing you?

    As a community, we’ve been beaten on and insulted so many times by so called “experts” like Cooper Lawrence and JT that the general public pictures any gamer over the age of 20 as a nerd with no social life who huddles in front of a TV for most of their life. They see us as immature, violent, unhinged, sex crazed freaks who live in modern day caves. And so far we as a community have done very little to fight back against that image, or the people who are building that image.

    For the first time we had a way of finally fighting back. It may not have been the “moral high ground” you like to stand on so much, but look at what we were able to do. We got a so called “expert” to stand up and admit that they didn’t know jack shit and admit that they were wrong. It’s not a complete victory, but it’s a start. We can only hope that more people will take notice of this, and harden up and admit that they have no right to speak as “experts” on videogames, and hopefully start turning down invites to sensationalist broadcasts, or as Fox calls it, “news”.

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    A Greene ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted no on forgiving her also. While she has said that she misspoke, she still hasn’t apologized, and she has plenty to apologize for.

    Once she has apologized to all of those involved with with the development process of Mass Effect at Bioware for dragging their name and product through the mud unnecessarily, apologized to the gaming community for portraying them as sex obsessed teenage boys who can’t tell fantasy from reality, called out Fox News for misleading her about the game’s content, and most important, apologized to Geoff Keighly for her patronizing, massively hypocritical way she treated him during the broadcast, then the gaming community should consider forgiving her.

    As for her comments saying that Fox News “provides an opportunity for debate” I believe she really needs to watch the broadcast over again. She was granted far more airtime than Geoff Keighly and was allowed to interrupt and patronize him without censure when he did finally get a few seconds to talk. There was no debate, just a desperate attempt by Fox News and a Psychologist pretender to demonize the video gaming industry and their consumers.

    Once again I must go back to Ms Lawrence’s disgusting treatment of Geoff Keighly during the broadcast. I was amused and disgusted by her “Let me at him Martha” comment. In a real debate forum (instead of the one sided, sensationalist, ratings hungry piece of drivel called “Fox News”) Geoff Keighly would have destroyed her argument and taken her down a few hundred pegs from her high horse, and been polite enough not to look smug as he did it. She was incredibly unprofessional and showed a lack of credibility and character you’d expect from a “Psychologist”. If the situations had been reversed, and it was Geoff Keighly who patronized her, called her “Darlin'” etc, then he’d have been immediately pounced on by the politically correct brigade for being an arrogant, sexist male Chauvinist pig. I cannot understand how she felt talking to him in such a way could be seen from any angle as a good move.

    Until she makes a sincere attempt at an apology to Geoff Keighly, Bioware and gamers in general, I really cannot bring myself, or see why the gaming community should forgive and forget her actions. Right now, the only, very tiny amount sympathy she is getting from myself is because of the way that Fox News has strung her up as the main target over the pit of rabid gamers, instead of taking responsibility for their own actions in this total fustercluck.

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    Pierre-Olivier ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    That’s the reason I forgave her. From what I read, she GENUINELY thought she could debate on that appearance, but you can’t really debate at Fox.

    That’s also the reason why I didn’t flame her book. But there’s another: if I did flamed her book, I wouldn’t be able to call anyone an hypocrite again.

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    Karsten ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Sorry, was a bit tired — of course, I meant FOX NEWS…..
    (just started a new job –taking a little time to adjust…)

    What I meant to say was that EA is the big hero here…. but that somehow didn’t hot from brain to my fingers :( – for some reason….

    I just wanted to point out that it seems to me that Cooper Lawrence were lured? or conned onto the FOX News show under false pretenses, thinking she should speak about one thing – and then suddenly being asked to speak about another. I know this is a tactics used by people in the media everywhere – even here in Denmark.


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    rammsoldat says:

    Dont let her off, keep hitting harder.

    The more of these phoney experts you let get away with talking shite the more are gonna do it. Shes stupid, she dosent even see the irony of her complaining that people are lambasting her books without having read them.

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    Spartan says:

    @Sparky112 – You fight back with whatever means are at your disposal when attacked; this is especially so when you clearly are “out gunned” and the attack is without merit or cause. All this talk of moral high ground is morally bankrupt when the aggressor clearly demonstrates they have none by their attack.

    Regarding your question about the school yard bully, I would and have done more than what you suggested – far more. Right and wrong are relative terms and morals are situational and often used by those who think they are in the superior position to justify their cause to say the least. In the end if it is a question about survival, doing everything you can to make it so is the only option. Sometimes the ends do justify the means.

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    Korrd says:

    The question is a simple one: should Cooper Lawrence be forgiven?

    Yes, she admitted her mistake. I find it difficult to stomach the notion that “I didn’t know anything about it at the time, but now I do, so… sorry” somehow absolves her.

    The woman went on national television and she lied.

    The answer is also simple: no.

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    Sparky112 says:

    @NecroSen and lumi

    I chose my words carefully when I made the analogy of the bully and the schoolbooks. The Amazon bombing is NOT the same as what Cooper did on Fox, and I’ll tell you why.

    She went on a national television program, made statements about gamers and a specific game, which painted both in a bad light. What *would* have been tit-for-tat payback would have been if gamers then went onto a national television show (or some other medium) and painted her in a bad light. That is the equivalent of someone beating up a bully who has been tormenting them – violence for violence.

    What is NOT the equivalent is taking an action which is related to the current dispute ONLY because it’s the means of attack which is available to you. Gamers, in this sense, do not have the clout to call up Fox (or any network) and get on TV shows to directly combat the views being expressed there. Again, that doesn’t make it morally right to take the actions that you see fit simply because they are the only ones available to you, any more than any rule-breaking action you take against a bully makes those actions right. They might make you feel good and feel like you’re addressing the problem, when really you’re only bringing yourself down to that person’s level, and potentially getting yourself in hot water as well. (In this case, making gamers look like they’re vindictive, and will stoop to anything just to make a point. Is THAT the view we want people to have of us?)

    @ lumi

    “[ECA and the VGVN] … don’t have remotely enough clout at this time to really matter too much; certainly not enough to get the kind of response this guerilla tactic garnered. We don’t HAVE this kind of recourse at the moment; does that mean we should sit silently and do nothing until (if ever) one becomes available?”

    Hopefully what will come of this is that one of these organizations (which I will now look into more closely) – or another – will be able to tap into gamers’ frustrations and work to gain the power necessary to affect such things in the future.

    And, no, I don’t want gamers to sit in silence – not at all. I just don’t want to see us take a route which will paint us in a bad light and make future legitimate organizing more difficult. Again, just because certain tactics are the only ones available to you doesn’t mean they are right, it just means that they are the ones available to you. Where is the call to flood Fox with snail mail, phone calls, and e-mail demanding that they make an accounting of what transpired, and what they told Cooper to say? That could potentially be an effective technique, as it would make them realize that they will face criticism if they pull this kind of crap in the future. We are not powerless, and stooping to techniques which make us look bad hurt our credibility for the future.

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    Spartan says:

    Now that I have had time to read the thread. I have a few comments…

    @ ~the1jeffy – You have taken a most reasonable and important position. I have not really focused on that angle simply because I know it is bullshit from empirical knowledge. However the points you raised need to be clearly be addressed to the unwashed masses nonetheless. I feel bad for glossing over them. I must be getting old or the irony of that statement…

    @Nightwng2000 – sage advice to be sure.

    @ Michael Papadopoulos – speaking as the first person to publically advocate Amazon bombing her and making a concerted within several communities to get others to join in the action and spread the word (to the best of my knowledge) I agree with your position now. The Amazon bombing has served its purpose. Any further action on Amazon or B&N and other such sites would simply be in bad form and I have also made this sediment known within the communities I promoted the idea within in the first place for what it is worth. Additionally I think few the personal attacks and threats that were posted were patently unwarranted and cast us in a bad light to some.

    @SpiralGray – we do not have access to her as a collective community to “discuss” this since the industry simply fails to provide us such a voice collectively. It was our ONLY publically available option of letting her know our opinion and I still stand fully behind it. And I will advocate doing so again to the next pinhead that glibly attacks gamers in such a manner if the option is on the table.

    @ Mune – speaking for myself, I finally had enough of it and this situation was such a blatant smearing of the title it totally pissed me off. Don’t get me wrong I dislike a lot of games and when they get slammed I don’t get worked up over it since I figure the element of the community that likes that title will defend it. However in this particular instance she slammed ALL gamers and to add insult to injury she/they did so with what is arguably the best example ever of gaming as an art form, in the market at this time from one of the best developers ever.

    @ The Borderer – I’m also of the same opinion. I think she is way off base with her understanding of the research from I have read. Then again my opinion may be wrong since I have not fully studied the research but speaking as a former teen boy it simply does not smell right to me as she presents it.

    @mogbert – a most reasonable for one to take.

    @ chadachada(123) – I often find myself thinking the same thing. Fingers move fast and often I post very late at night and when I’m very tired. Thus lots of typos happen. It truly hurts not to have an edit option.

    @A Cooper, Hackangel, Chris Wallace, Void Munashii, MR.B, GryphonOsiris & Iumi – we are of the same mind.

    @jccalhoun – I did the same thing and came up with zilch. It really makes you go hmmmm….

    @Karsten – I assume you made a type with your EA comment or I completely misunderstand something.

    What would make me happy is for her to appear on X-play and do a full interview and clearly say the words “I’m sorry”, then talk in detail about the research and gaming in general with real gaming experts. Hell they could even entitle the segment “The Mass Effect of Cooper Lawrence ” – see there is always an angle…

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    Timmay! says:


    She hasn’t apologized yet, she just admitted that she made a mistake. She’s only said “I misspoke, and I regret it”. Two completely different things.

    Until she says “I apologize for what I said about Mass Affect, and the potential damage it has done to the game, it’s creators, and the gaming community”, or something like that, there’s no reason to forgive her.

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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Bloodharp:

    “Plus, she really didnt know what she was talking about and i doubt she even HAD an oppinion before going on the show, so FOX News is more at blame than her.”

    I don’t think anyone disputes that. How does it make her any less deserving of the retaliation being leveled at her? It simply means FOX is deserving of more.

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    Bloodharp ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Okay people, think about this… how many anti-game critics have we seen? How many have blatantly bs’ed about games on the news? And how many had the balls to stand up and APOLOGIZE? I say we forgive, but dont forget. Watch her and her allies, and if she truly is repentful, she will not do it again. Plus, she really didnt know what she was talking about and i doubt she even HAD an oppinion before going on the show, so FOX News is more at blame than her.
    I forgive you Lawrence, but we’ll be watching you. We’ll be watching you…

    BOO! muahahaha lol

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    anonymous says:

    Claims she “misspoke” rather than apologizing.
    Reasserts that she’s right by referencing this “definitive” study.
    Condemns us for daring to confront her.

    Yep, sounds like your standard fake apology. Its sad that some of you are buying it; go ahead and lap up her crocodile tears. The rest of us will keep fighting against this kind of slander.

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    Greenfenril_CTU ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I forgive

    The difference here is that I don’t resort to character assassination to discredit someone who may have been led on to believe by the media.

    Fox news is the real danger, not only are they a hive of lies and deceit, but are also arrogant and letting this person be the fall guy

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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sparky112:

    “If you’re being publicly bullied in the schoolyard by a big kid, does it make it morally defensible to steal his schoolbooks so he fails a big test? Of course not – it puts you in the wrong as well, and is only tangentially related to what he did to you first.”

    You sort of disproved your own point here. That example IS only tangentially related to the original offense; the Amazon bomb was more directly related to Lawrence’s own transgression.

    Here’s a better example: the school bully is beating you up every day and stealing your lunch money. Is it wrong when you finally pop him in the face, break his nose, and teach him that you’re not going to be a target anymore? No, it really isn’t; despite the fact that you’re using “his own dirty tactics” against him, there IS a moral component that allows you to hold yourself above him.

    ““The gamers admitted up front that they had not read her book, and DID NOT CLAIM any sort of expertise on the subject.”

    Again, does this make it okay?”

    Actually, yes. I think it does. Did we offer any DISHONEST opinions? Did we spout out anything untrue? No. The only ground I see anyone having on this issue is the star rating that you pointed out, but honestly, the system being what it is, people shouldn’t be making judgements based on the star ratings without looking at at least some of the reviews (which I did before posting mine, and coincidentally, do you know what I found? I found a non-trivial number of NON-gamer reviews supporting the “this book is crap” opinion). So yay for actually doing some RESEARCH, I suppose, which is what this whole thing was about in the first place, no?

    “No, the argument I made initially – and continue to support – is that gamers need other, more legitimate ways to express their anger. Is there a gamers’ PAC? Is there a gamers’ group that will gain millions of members and respond intelligently to attacks of this sort? If there isn’t, maybe there should be. Then we would be using legitimate tactics and responding in ways which are both legitimate AND effective.”

    Without going into a debate over what is and is not a “legitimate tactic”, I’ll point out that we have the ECA and the VGVN, off the top of my head. Unfortunately, they simply don’t have remotely enough clout at this time to really matter too much; certainly not enough to get the kind of response this guerilla tactic garnered. We don’t HAVE this kind of recourse at the moment; does that mean we should sit silently and do nothing until (if ever) one becomes available?

    @ Mr. B:

    “3.) Or the best option, swing the odds back into our favor. When they attack us ten-on-one, we retailate one hundred-on-ten. We can do this and continue to fight clean. Our main problem about going after our enemy is that we fight them on thier own terms and rules. We need to alter where our battles take place. If we can do that, we won’t need to fight dirty to win.”

    I don’t know why this was directed at me, because I don’t see where my posting was in conflict with this notion. I agree with using our numbers to our advantage; in fact, we MUST do this to even have a chance of being noticed, let alone acknowledged. Further, I agree with keeping our tactics as clean as possible; there does seem to be some disagreement on these boards over what is dirty, but that’s another matter.

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    Buckeye531 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You are right. Cooper made those statements without doing any research. Her response was her own words alone. Giving her book poor reviews, while it is not right, is justified. She bashed a game without playing it. We should bash her book without reading it.

    I wonder how BioWare feels? They put a lot of manhours into the game only to get it slanderized.

    I am with Cecil. I did vote yes to forgive her, but after a long think about it, she does not deserve forgiveness. She is just as guilty as Fox Noise.

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    SithLibrarian says:

    I find it hard to forgive her because she willingly jeopardized her integrity by taking in false information by Fox without following it up. Hindsight is 20/20, and I don’t her “oh well, I should have played the game first” line doesn’t fly. Too late for that.
    She should have owned up, claimed she didn’t have any expertise on the game and refuse to go on air.

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    RollicRillics says:

    Now.. I’m a bit confused here. To firmly stand by the research you cite, don’t you actually have to cite research? Not just allude to the fact that such research exists?
    From my experience, if you don’t at least mention principle researcher, and year of publication, you didn’t cite anything… you’re just blowing hot air.

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    NecroSen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sparky112:

    “The whole point of Amazon’s rating system is to let people know whether those people who have read the book enjoyed it, and think it’s worthy of other people’s time. Whether you cast your vote because you read it or didn’t read it, the end result is the same – the book gets rated higher or lower when you click the appropriate star. So, by knowingly rating a book you haven’t read, you are subverting what the system was meant to accomplish. That’s not illegal, certainly and as I said above, it’s effective. The question we should ask is whether this is the right way to go about addressing those who offend gamers.”

    Not to say that drowning her book in negative feedback is a morally defensible action, but you have to admit the correlation. Amazon’s rating system is intended for those who read the book and want to share their views. It seems only fair that the same be true of the intent of reviews and news stories related to those books, or movies, or video games, etc.

    You make the argument of the schoolyard bully, but stealing his books to make him fail is not analogous to this situation. Rather, it’s like ganging up with the other kids he’s bullied and kicking him square in the groin several times. At the same time as it is effective in changing the bully’s view of things, it’s still a low blow.

    Now, what I want her to apologize for is the assumption that most gamers are adolescents and children. Last I checked, the average age of the gamer is 30-40. To have the majority referred to as children is just plain wrong.

    I can forgive her for going on the program without proper research and false expectations, and moreso for being the only scapegoat in this. Where is the flak for McCallum?

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    DCOW ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I can’t forgive someone that ignorant.

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”


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    Anywho says:

    @Karsten: I’m guessing you meant Fox and not EA in that second sentence?

    @the issue at hand:

    I voted Not Sure.

    I don’t think we should forgive. But I do think it’s about time we tone down the assault and/or redirect it towards Fox.

    This isn’t the first time they’ve done this. Wasn’t there another ‘expert’ who went on to talk about how video games affect adolescent brains a few months back? But when confronted about the faulty research he was referencing, admitted that he hadn’t actually gotten a chance to look over it. Fox had just handed him a summary five minutes before air and he took it in good faith.

    The exact same thing happened here (except this time, it’s a “pop-psychologist” instead of a real Doctor, and I believe the doctor not only apologized, but blasted Fox for how they set him up).

  70. 0
    Naota ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m not going to forgive anytime too soon. Call me insensitive, but she’s getting what she has coming. The amazon thing was pretty petty, but it’s poetic justice.

    Don’t tell us to lay down our arms unless you do as well.

  71. 0
    C4Cypher ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I still see her as a patsy in all of this … and on that front, forgivible or not, I’m more than happy to ‘let the issue lie’ when it comes to a single unintelligent and dishonest pundit.

    Yes, it’s all fine and dandy that we’ve managed to fight back and have been rewarded with a real taste of blood for our effort, but we’re missing the target.

    Fox News needs to understand what they’re dealing with … it would be nice to do this kind of damage to them as we’ve done with a single author.

  72. 0
    Sparky112 says:


    “Aren’t guerrilla tactics the weapon of the weaker force, in the arena of political and social “voice” are gamers not the weaker force?”

    Yeah, but does that make those tactics right, or does it simply make them effective? If you’re being publicly bullied in the schoolyard by a big kid, does it make it morally defensible to steal his schoolbooks so he fails a big test? Of course not – it puts you in the wrong as well, and is only tangentially related to what he did to you first.

    Is “bombing” someone’s book, even when you didn’t read it, suitable payback for someone saying something you didn’t like? No, I don’t think so. Is it common practice, and is it effective? Probably. Does that make it right? Of course not.

    It may indeed be that she wouldn’t have issued a partial retraction if her book hadn’t been targeted. We’ll never know. People who are taking the position that the Amazon tactics were _effective_ are correct. People who are saying that these tactics are morally defensible, however, are on shakier ground.


    “The gamers admitted up front that they had not read her book, and DID NOT CLAIM any sort of expertise on the subject.”

    Again, does this make it okay? The whole point of Amazon’s rating system is to let people know whether those people who have read the book enjoyed it, and think it’s worthy of other people’s time. Whether you cast your vote because you read it or didn’t read it, the end result is the same – the book gets rated higher or lower when you click the appropriate star. So, by knowingly rating a book you haven’t read, you are subverting what the system was meant to accomplish. That’s not illegal, certainly and as I said above, it’s effective. The question we should ask is whether this is the right way to go about addressing those who offend gamers.

    No, the argument I made initially – and continue to support – is that gamers need other, more legitimate ways to express their anger. Is there a gamers’ PAC? Is there a gamers’ group that will gain millions of members and respond intelligently to attacks of this sort? If there isn’t, maybe there should be. Then we would be using legitimate tactics and responding in ways which are both legitimate AND effective.

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    Artifex says:

    Forgive? No.
    She has still made no attempt to make any ammends for what she said other than saying that she was factually incorrect on a “few” things.

    Forget? no.
    No gamer should ever forget this event with Fox News or Cooper, regardless of how you feel about the issue, this is historicly important to ALL of us.

    Time to move on because gamers made their point?
    Probably yes, unless she takes a swipe at the gaming community at large again.

    If I called your mum “A $2 crackheaded protitute” on national TV without ever having seen or met her, and then later said that I had ‘mispoke’ about your parentage, would anyone in their right mind accept that as an appology? NO. Then why on earth should we accept the “I mis-spoke” of someone calling themselves an “expert” that flat-out LIES on LIVE TV to MILLIONS of impressionable viewers and consumers, that Mass Effect contains pornographic content, has no redeeming qualities, and encourages misogyny in males??

    So yeah, that’s a vote in the NO category for me.

  74. 0
    Grahamr ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I support attacks on people’s Amazon books, And I hope others will do the same.

    Gamers have been defenceless for far too long. Needless to say, there should be a logical limit to how far we should go, but i’m tired of taking abuse and being penalized for self-defence.

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    Spartan says:

    I voted “not sure” since she has not outright said “I’m sorry” however I recognize she was most likely set-up by Fox and friends but her mannerisms is what leaves a bad taste in my mouth. So count me on the fence for this one for now.

    To quote myself from one of the other threads on this topic,

    “Does anyone else get the impression that Fox News is treating Ms. Lawrence like she is a five dollar back alley crack whore and Ms. MacCallum was just pimping her?

    I so want Ms. Lawrence to do the victim spin against Fox News. She could get so much PR mileage out of this situation it is not even funny. Just imagine her book reviews after a few news cycles.

    I’m telling you it will work wonders for her. Shoot she would get asked on all the talk shows because of the cool factor due to the tech aspect of video games, the filth that is Fox, the twists & lies, her sexy looks, and most importantly the payback.”

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    MR.B says:


    It’s not as easy as that. We have three options to go here on in.

    1.) Do the same thing we been doing. Fight clean and let them attack us ten-on-one.

    2.) Fight dirty and keep being attacked ten-on-one.

    3.) Or the best option, swing the odds back into our favor. When they attack us ten-on-one, we retailate one hundred-on-ten. We can do this and continue to fight clean. Our main problem about going after our enemy is that we fight them on thier own terms and rules. We need to alter where our battles take place. If we can do that, we won’t need to fight dirty to win.

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    Michael Papadopoulos ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    She admitted what she did was wrong. I see more value in that than I do in the words “I’m sorry.” Digging for those two insignificant little words at this point would turn this into a “dead horse” issue. After all, she’s a “pop psychologist” who bit off more than she could chew when she decided to 1) take on the title (misnomer, rather) of gaming “expert” and 2) defame a game she had never played and knew nothing about. She pissed in the gaming community’s eye, and guess what? We blinked. We’ve had our say, shown her the error of her ways a la poetic justice, and she’s backed off and admitted that she screwed up. It’s her first offense and, if this experience has taught her anything, it should hopefully be her last. That’s why I feel she deserves forgiveness. That being said, this is still going on her permanent record and I doubt any of us will be forgetting this anytime soon.

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    T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgiveness is a powerful thing, The gaming community should accept her apology and carry on. As for the Amazon thing, well that’s Amazon, try to find one book about politics, religion or any hot button issue that doesnt have partisans bombing it.

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    GryphonOsiris ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Just did a quick look up of the word ‘expert’:

    ‘An “expert” is someone widely recognized as a reliable source of technique or skill whose faculty for judging or deciding rightly, justly, or wisely is accorded authority and status by their peers or the public. An expert, more generally, is a person with extensive knowledge or ability in a particular area of study. Experts are called in for advice on their respective subject, but they do not always agree on the particulars of a field of study. An expert can be, by virtue of training, education, profession, publication or experience, believed to have special knowledge of a subject beyond that of the average person, sufficient that others may officially (and legally) rely upon the individual’s opinion.’

    In other words, we are all ‘video game’ experts.

  80. 0
    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Orange Soda:

    “Holding a grudge against a scapegoat is a waste of time and energy anyway.”

    Only if the scapegoat is innocent, which she is not in this case. Does Fox News deserve more of a beating than they’re getting? Absolutely. Does she deserve what she’s getting? I think that deserves a “yes” as well.


    “I don’t get why people think she didn’t apologize. Just because she didn’t SAY “I’m sorry” doesn’t mean she didn’t MEAN it, and I believe she did.”

    I can understand the difference in interpretation going on here, but I simply don’t agree. It was a very half-assed attempt to “make things right”, and I don’t feel she is really sorry about anything other than getting caught in her dishonesty.

  81. 0
    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sparky112:

    “In the end, engaging in the tactics of someone you find despicable makes you just as bad as them, right? “

    I see a lot of people glossing over a very important point when bringing this up. There is a very, very important difference between the tactics gamers used in the Amazon Bomb, and the stunt Lawrence pulled on Live Desk.

    The gamers admitted up front that they had not read her book, and DID NOT CLAIM any sort of expertise on the subject. I know there were some reviews that were really nothing more than sixth-grade name calling, but the one I left, and most of the others I read that were quite obviously from gamers, were very open, even going so far as to cite the issue with Mass Effect, and explicitly making the logical connection:

    “she went on television and trashed this game with completely untrue facts, speaking on a topic she knew nothing about but claimed to be an expert on. As such, there’s plenty of cause to believe she’s just as full of it in her book as she was on television.”

    That is NOT the same as what she did; in fact, rather than spreading misinformation and slanderous falsehoods (what she did), the reviews were actually nothing but factual (yes, as I said, with some exceptions). They claimed, citing an example, that she has proven herself willing to claim herself to be and knowingly speak as an expert without the scientific backing required to do so.

    Really, the issue is that people left reviews of the AUTHOR instead of reviews of her book. That’s close enough for my mind to be at ease.

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    GryphonOsiris ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think I agree with the majority of you when you say that she really didn’t give an apology. She swallowed some of her pride and said that she was misinformed, however she didn’t openly say “I apologize for my actions.”

    I think we as a community are tired of the stigma associated with us of being nerdy little boys with potty mouths and are total social retards. The Mass Effect issue was nothing more than the straw the broke the camel’s back with a lot of us saying “Enough is enough! You can’t treat us like we are outcasts.”

    I doubt this incident will change the idea that ‘they’ have about us. At the very least it shows them that we aren’t going to be pushed around and will fight back.

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    Orange Soda says:

    I don’t get why people think she didn’t apologize. Just because she didn’t SAY “I’m sorry” doesn’t mean she didn’t MEAN it, and I believe she did.

    At least the poll results show a majority saying “yes”. Holding a grudge against a scapegoat is a waste of time and energy anyway. Can we go fry the bigger fish, please?

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    MR.B says:

    Why should we fight fair against people who have been fighting extremly dirty for many years? We been fighting a one versus hundred battle for quite some time. Our enemy wont be fighting clean anytime soon. I stand up and clap my hands to the people who posted those one-star reviews. We been fighting clean for many years and keep losing many battles (except the legal ones). It’s about time for our enemy reep what they sow for those many years.

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    LightWarrior ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I agree with Beek up near the top.

    She most likely probably would of never apologized if it wasn’t for her book taking the brunt of our wrath.

    I got a feeling though she probably didn’t learn anything.

    Why…WHY do all these “experts” all say the same thing and think that the violence in these games WILL IN FACT desensitize kids?….Sure most of these games are not for kids we know this. It’ll be our job as parents and other parents to keep these games out of kids hands so they really then can’t “desensitize”….also the fact that we know alot of kids out there are smarter then people take them for.

    Remember that news report where they asked the kids themselfs as “experts”….

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    ChadJ ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well sorry, but I voted No, we should not forgive her yet.

    It’s very unprofessional to not research the content of which you are about to criticize on national television. With regards to the book review thing, I would think that is something that Lawrence should have reasonably considered as a risk when she decided to lie to the gaming community. Again, if she had researched previous game critics who don’t know what they are talking about, she would know that anything about her online is fair-game as far as gamers are concerned. I think this whole thing will blow over eventually, but I’m still upset and not willing to let it go just yet. Just my 2 cents.

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    Adaptor ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If Amazon isn’t the place for criticizing her maybe she should’ve gone on a show that actually has a place for debate.

    ‘developmental-psychology expert’ LOL!

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    Chris Wallace, Lawyer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This ‘expert’ is putting her own credibility on the line when she makes an appearance on television or otherwise.

    The strength of her book sales depend on her credibility.

    How can she reconcile her credibility as an expert in the field if she is spoon fed an opinion?

    If I were a book buyer looking for a credibly written book on the subject, I would expect the ‘Fox incident’ information to be in the amazon reviews. I would then be able to make an informed decision as to whether I should buy her books or not.

    I hope this invites further scrutiny over these television news ‘experts’.

  89. 0
    Goddammit says:

    It’s one video game in a bowl of thousands, she’s made it quite clear that she was prepped and planned to talk about sex, violence, and video games not about Mass Effect. She’s openly apologized but remains firm on her base issues which is respectable but misguided. This vengeance toward her isn’t about her taking pot shots about with Mass Effect anymore and her smarmy attitude toward Geoff anymore, it’s a stupid game by a bunch of little shits that are acting like the world is falling apart because of some idiot that didn’t know better and are taking their aggression out on her because they can’t do it to Fox News. It’s when idiots like this game community continue to act like a bunch of immature shits is when people like Roger Ebert are justified in saying whatever they want about games and games in general. I watch these attacks by these moronic gamers and wonder if they’re really any better than Fox News.

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    Cheeselikescereal says:

    Honestly I really don’t care about all this. It gets in a tangle she only said it once and responded to the fact that she was wrong. If we keep bickering on what she said we will make a moutain out of a mole hill. Even worse we might not move on from her and let others who do worse get away. In a way she’s like a bad ex just get over it.

  91. 0
    Karsten ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think we as gamers (or some of us anyway) seem to be forgetting who is the big culprit here. The big culprit is still EA – especially since they sort of
    conned Cooper Lawrence into believing that she was to talk about how video & computer games in general affect what she calls ‘young developing minds’, not as an expert on Mass Effect.

    It is fine that she stands by her comments on how violence and sexual content in games desentized adolescents. I happen to agree with this in part, especially if the parents haven’t time to parent their children or just don’t care about parenting in general.

    The big thing here is that everyone that did critisize Mass Effect, including Cooper and Fox news, seem to have forgotten that Mass Effect is marketed to a M(ature) audiende e.g. those over 17 years or older.

    Their minds might be young, but their body may certainly be older than 17 when gamers buy and play this game, Mass Effect. I agree, however, that 11-14 year olds shouldn’t be playing this game. Personally, I don’t mind 15-17 year old playing this game, even if the Pan European Game Information (pegi) did rate this game 18+ (for reasons best known to themselves, I think).


  92. 0
    Yorick says:

    You reap what you sow…what goes around, comes around…you must fight fire with fire…oh – sorry…I just can’t put down this cliche dictionary…

    I more or less agree with every other commenter here. Her behavior was unprofessional, and now she is only “pseudo-apologizing” because her credibility is suffering after this whole debacle. And I can’t help but ponder how she is trying to repair it: shifting from Fox…*ahem*…”news” to MTV…*cough*…”news” – I’m not thinking that’s a step in a credible direction.

    The media, in general, is no longer credible, because it has not been about actual news in a long time – it’s merely an extension of the entertainment business, which makes the hypocrisy all the more laughable. How many books, films, TV commercials, print ads, and so on commit far worse “offenses?” I’m surprised presidential candidates don’t have sponsors or scantily clad models following them around…

    Stereotypes, sadly, exist because they hold some semblance of truth way too often. But the graphic novel reading, zit popping, toy collecting social misfit image of the “typical gamer” needs to be put to bed where issues like this are concerned, because it no longer represents the median demographic when it comes to gamers. Entities like FOX would see this forest, if only there weren’t so many trees in the way.

    This whole fiasco is no different than when Camel cigarettes got attacked for using “cartoon characters” to market smoking to children – or when Judas Priest was sued for their complicity regarding a double suicide. The ultimate irony is that people who can’t think for themselves are too busy attacking and insulting the ones who CAN…

    …end rant.

  93. 0
    Overcast says:

    Yeah, I haven’t read her book – but I think I’ll go comment on it.
    I’ll apologize afterwards too.

    I’m kinda tired of people pushing their ‘agenda’ and then once they get busted and their stupidity is glaring – then they apologize.

    Tough, live with it.

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    Paul Cosgrove says:

    I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media.

    Debate? I thought she was on Fox?

    Move on, sure – the gaming community made a pretty good example of her, after all, and I don’t think she’ll be back with that kind of misinformed, disingenuous hyperbole any time soon. But forgive her?

    I don’t think forgiveness is a reasonable request, when she’s obviously not sorry about anything other than her potentially damaged book sales.

  95. 0
    Setesh says:

    @ Sparky112
    I disagree, I don’t believe rating her book was “the low road. Aren’t guerrilla tactics the weapon of the weaker force, in the arena of political and social “voice” are gamers not the weaker force?

    I can’t condone people who wrote things that were obnoxious or untrue. However there is nothing to say that giving it one star and then speaking your mind about how you felt about the author isn’t a valid reason to create a review. Not only that, but is is a very effective means to make her accountable… a word that seems a distant echo in our current society.

  96. 0
    Void Munashii ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She most definitely should not be forgiven. Regardless of her being misinformed by Faux news about the content of the segment she would be appearing on she still went on national television and made false statments about something she knew nothing about, copped a snotty attitude, and talked down to Geoff Keighly, the only person there who actually knew what he was talking about.

    If Miss Lawrence wishes to be taken seriously as an author and a psychology expert then she needs to not let herself be roped into doing tv spots on subjects she is not expert in just so she can promote her book.

    It may be time to move on from her, but it is not time to forgive her, nor should we forget her. She’s only sorry because it may effect her book sales, not because she misrepresented herself on tv. She will do it again if given the chance.

    I also think her Amazon reviews were the perfect place to give uneducated opinions on her book, as it’s the only place where people who do not know enough to realize that many of the statements were untrue will be influenced in the same way many non-gamers could have been influenced by her Faux News appearance.

  97. 0
    Sparky112 says:

    Firstly, I felt it was vindictive for people to rate her book on Amazon without having read it. Secondly, I have taken to heart the comments about gamers having no other way to affect the people who offend them.

    In the end, engaging in the tactics of someone you find despicable makes you just as bad as them, right? We gamers need to find our voice so that we DO HAVE other ways of affecting the outcome of this kind of cultural battle than resorting to guerrilla tactics. EA did the right thing by using its status as a powerful company to demand that some account be made of why their game was slandered on national television. We need to use these kinds of powerful resources in the future, as well as developing new ones.

    It’s awfully tempting to fight dirty in these situations (lol at the “horse pr0n” comment from earlier) but we need to take the high road. It will make gamers, and our opinions, more effective in the end.

  98. 0
    Hackangel ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I was asked to appear on this particular show to discuss the broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents, not as an expert on ‘Mass Effect…’”

    Thing is, she shouldn’t have appered on this anyway even if she knew nothing about Mass Effect because she also doesn’t know anything about the “broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents”. Simply put, she went there with barely any knowledge about the issue at hand just to have her face on tv.

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds”.

    The research that said “male gamers more willing to accepting stereotypes in games than female gamers”? That’s a stretch between being more willing to accept stereotypes than being desensitized to violence and sex. Desensitized to sex? Does that mean you’re less moved by it after playing videogames? That argument just there, if it were true, would mean the end of the world, think of the drop in births throughout America!

    ‘I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media’.

    Did she appear on another news program? I thought she only appeared on Fixed News, no opportunity for debate there.

  99. 0
    Jonathan Janosi says:

    I forgave her the first time she took back what she said. She realized her mistake and tried to correct it, which means she tried to right a wrong in spite of a lot of pressure not to, which take courage. She’s good by me.

  100. 0
    Canary Wundaboy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I still haven’t forgiven her for portraying all gamers as sexist adolescent pigs. Ultimately, she had no place going on TV and spouting nonsense about a game she’d never played on a subject she obviously has no competence in.

    She can go to hell.

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    Dalamar says:

    Amazon is not a proper forum? Its called venting dissent. She’s upset because it hit her where it hurts – her reputation and her pocketbook.

    Violence has existed since the beginning of civilization. And if I remember correctly developmental psychologist did’nt exist in the middle ages to mitigate all the psychos who indulged in bloodthirsty violence.

    The repression of sexuality was the result of the Victorian age. In most cultures the level of hypocritical prudery that North America culture indulges in is completely alien to outside world.

    In conclusion, Don’t fuck with the gamer community.

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    jccalhoun ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    OK, so I searched for “cooper lawrence” and psychology on .edu domains and nothing about her showed up. I also searched for just “cooper lawrence” on .edu domains and only got people talking about her Fox news appearance. So whatever school she’s in doesn’t even list graduate students on their website (or has a no robots policy) so that doesn’t indicate a very good school to me either.

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    Timmay! says:

    She hasn’t apologized for anything yet, so why should I forgive her?

    Yes, she admitted that she “misspoke”, but she has yet to apologize to Bioware for using false statements to smear their game, she has yet to apologize to Geoff Keighley for insulting him on national television when she was in no place to do so, and she has yet to apologize to the gaming community for painting us as sexist, porn crazed freaks.

    She also has yet to admit that she should not have been on the show in the first place because she has no expertise what so ever in videogames. She has yet to admit that she did absolutely no research what so ever into Mass Effect, and only got second hand (at least) hearsay information. She has yet to admit that the Fox news story as a whole was wrong and should not have been aired.

    THAT’S integrity. So far she has shown none of that.

    As far as the book reviews go, she got exactly what she deserved.

  104. 0
    jccalhoun ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t really care what she says about Mass Effect. I am concerned that she is passing herself off as an expert. As someone in a phd program (that is not psychology related) I really want to know where she got her masters degree and where she is supposed to be “finishing her doctorate in applied developmental psychology” as her website states. As an academic we are supposed to be taught to be open minded, not judge things without sufficient experience and damn, what kind of humanities department can you be in and not catch hell for calling someone something like “darling?” I would certainly think that a psychologist would take some time to think about why someone would call a stranger darling and why they are talking down to people and dismissing them like that.
    I don’t care that she is ignorant about videogames I care that she is getting by on the power of her assumed credentials and she doesn’t exhibit a single sign of actually having any or at least any from a reputable institution.

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    Uh... says:

    First off, bashing her book on Amazon is a illegitimate response which has gotten her attention, and sent her a valid message: how do you like it when we don’t do our research, but review your book regardless? It may appear juvenile, but this guerrilla tactic is a good way to protest an injustice done by some ignorant pop-psychologist.

    Second: The fact that she keeps citing “the research” (read: sticking to her guns) as her primary source on the supposed effects of youth psychology when exposed to interactive media, and the fact that she appears unable to examine the issue from any other perspective but her own narrow minded bias, leaves me to believe that she will commit the same mistakes again and again when interviewed. I am worried that she will continue to cite inaccurate sources, and continue to attack gamers rather than try to understand the issue from a objective, and skeptical, viewpoint.

    I wrote my negative review of her book, and sent in my angry e-mails. The fact that she is responding to us says that the gaming community does have enough power to generate a response from the big Orwellian dogs at News Corp.

    “Forgive.” I do not forgive her or that sham of a news program. Will I continue to act? It all depends on who acts next, but we should remain ever vigilant when it comes to congressional legislation, network pundits, and anti-gamer neo-con programming.

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    NoFish ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She probably didn’t get paid, but she did get publicity for her book. Fortunately, most of that seems to have been negative.

    On the subject of forgiveness: No. She says she misspoke. Misspeaking is when you go on TV and say that candidate A wants to cut taxes by forty percent when he really only wants to cut them by twenty because you’re stressed by being on TV and not thinking to clearly. That’s a wee bit different from, say, slandering something as pornography without even having seen it.

    She hasn’t apologized for anything. An apology would be saying, “I’m sorry for lying outright and demonizing something I knew nothing about.” She didn’t make a mistake, she made a conscious decision not to care and until she recognizes that, no forgiveness.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    True true, but it’s Fox news, they never apologize about anything so it shouldn’t be expected. The only way they probably would is if they were successfully sued and forced to do so by the court. Then they’d probably do it when no one is watching in a five second blurb. That is unless there was an exact point where it would be required.

    I really do think EA/Bioware/Microsoft would have a case and their combined resources are MUCH greater than Newscorp, let alone just Fox News.

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    A Cooper says:

    I may sound overly harsh, but at least i’m not taking this personally. With that in mind i’ll state my stance.

    Forgiveness requires that some actual remorse be shown. Now as of yet she has not gone back on a national TV “News” show to say she lied not “misspoke” and would like to set the record straight. When she makes some attempt at correcting or countering the damage she’s done on a national scale by her blantant lies, then she’ll deserve forgiveness. Until then she should be burned at the stake as an example for all other “Experts.” The only proper response she could have given on the Fox broadcast is to say “I’m sorry, but I’m not an expert on this topic. I cannot comment to this example as I have not yet researched the content.” That maintains journalistic and scientific credibility. What it doesn’t do is get you a future paycheck from the news company.

    The real need to come out of this entire issue, is for a cleansing to be done at Fox news. They need to be fined for slander on a national scale. And perhaps even for perpetuating fraud. But until a company (Bioware) steps up and sues them, it will not happen. And no company will do that because as the saying goes… any press is good press. In the end this will not hurt their game sales because we consumers know these people are full of it. And this game is not targeted towards kids. So who cares if they’re parents don’t go out and buy the game, they shouldn’t be doing that anyway.

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    Vinzent says:

    Absolutely not!! You can’t accuse a demographic of engaging in simulated RAPE and then say you “misspoke” and that it’s just a joke.

    And I would ask Miss Cooper, if we did not vent our frustrations at you through Amazon, what forum would have been more acceptable? Since neither Fox news nor your own website has means of posting Comments, the best we could have hoped for was an email to both parties.

    However, you attempted to publically humiliate gaming culture, and our response to your lies needed to be equally public.

    As far as I am concerned, you have done nothing to deserve forgiveness.

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    Joker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Someone once said that “Blame is for God and small children”. Blame the news outlet all you care to. It doesn’t change the FACT that she spoke the words. Had she been more thoughtful and concerned for her reputation, not to mention simply honest, she should have said the truth. That she had no first-hand knowledge of the game and that speaking of it wouldn’t be fair.

    If I hand you a loaded gun and tell you to shoot your mom, are you scott-free to do it simply because I gave you the means?

    She used her own free-will and did something stupid. Willful ignornance should be painful and it seems that, in this case, it was.


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    chadachada(123) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Not to mention, the most powerful/smart species of them all is the Asaris, which are all female.

    I voted Not Sure, because this really is a complex issue. It’s true that she spoke without knowing anything, but she did come out and apologize. On the other hand, she only apologized because of what we did to her book (what we did, in my eyes, is pay back for what she did)

    my own father believed crap that he read about Mass Effect and told me not to play it, even though i’ve already beaten it. I tried to show him the sex scene, to show him that it’s not bad at all, but he wouldn’t sit down and let me prove the media wrong. Now he believes me, but not after the media already set his opinion about the game. I don’t really know what to make of this, except that the media can no longer be trusted..

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    Marlowe says:

    Honestly the one group I must applaud is those who thought up the Amazon attack. It didn’t rely on immature vague threats of violence, or immature uses of the f-word, instead it was a smart to-the-point symbolic way of saying “hey this is what it feels like to have something you like attacked by people who don’t know what they’re talking about” and perhaps more importantly, it hit her in the wallet where she noticed. I feel like that attack more than anything is what got that “apology” out of her in the first place, and I would like to personally ask her why she thinks the Amazon attack was in any way unfair, frankly I feel like it was one of the most well thought out and reasonable forms of protest that could have occured.

  113. 0
    Ryan says:

    Using her Amazon book page to trash her writings was a perfectly legitimate response. How else are people going to “debate” her? Television only goes one way and Fox News is not known for providing dissenting voices equal time.

    She screwed up and now she’s trying to play the victim. Every single sarcastic review of her book – especially the ones that say, “I didn’t read it, but my opinion still counts because I say it does” – is a brilliant way to prove exactly how stupid Fox’s show about games was. It’s also a great warning to other so-called experts to do a little research before appearing on those shows to pimp a book.

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    BOBBY ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ nnanji
    “Forgiveness is something that you earn.”

    I agree, if she wants us to forgive her, join ourside and fight the good fight with us, not against us.

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgive? Of course. Some people are taking this too far. But let’s face it, that’s what happens when you insult a group of people of ANY sort. There’s always, ALWAYS, the few ‘orthodox’ members of that group that go completely over the top and spam hate mails to people even after a blatent apology. “An apology isn’t enough! blah blah blah”

    It’s stupid.

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I forgave her for her Mass Effect comments, and I agree about the sesensitizing effects of violence in video games. What I disagree with, and have for some time and in various forums, is that desensitizing is bad.

    A lot of the psychologists would like a world where evryone was sensitive, and a man wasn’t afraid to cry if he was sad. We don’t live in that world. Someone who is too sensitive will go crazy before they are 24. The real world hurts, it has rough spots and sharp corners. If you are sensitive you go through life bruised and bleeding.

    If someone kicks down my door (again, but I wasn’t home the first time) I would like to think I won’t freeze up. I’d like to think that if it came down to it, and some guy is standing in my house threatening my family, and says “you don’t have the balls to pull that trigger”, that shortly thereafter he wouldn’t have the balls to say that again (00 12 guage).

    As for being desensitized to sexual content, too late, the mass media beat you too it decades ago. Take for example, Family Matters. No one even noticed that it was constantly refering to and showing minors in unsupervised “making out”. Is this wrong? Well, according to the P-Sychologist (Animaniacs reference) yes, it’s desensitizing. Would parents be upset if they walked into the living room and found their daughter “making out”. Yes, I think they would. What was the political and mass media fall out from this constant reference… zero.

    Have you ever had to do a study in college of sex in advertising? Have you noticed just how much of our advertising is based on sex? (This message brought to you by TAG Body Spray, You’ve been warned!) We are already desensitized to sex. And having a one character fall in love with another character over the course of what ammounts to several weeks and life or death situations, and then making the descision to “go all the way” before the final battle which not only they, but all life in the galaxy may die… well, that’s not exactly the same as saying “Spray this on your body and many empty headed women will want to have wild sex with you.”

    Perhaps if she HAD played the game, she could determine if this game might present women in a better light. I feel it was a step in the right direction for everyone involved. It has women being some of the most powerful, important people in the game. Shows the entire galaxy being ruled by a consil of three, of which one is definitely a woman (I’m not sure how to tell if a Turian or Salarian is female). In fact, as you progress through the game, it is remarkably balance as far as gender, race, and species both in representation, power, and attitude.

    Instead of trying to scare parents with how bad video games COULD be, why not play this game and rate it as how it would affect the 16-25 demoghaphic for which it is intended?

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    BreadCultist says:

    I forgive her for saying silly things about Mass Effect. She’s still a fool for other views she expressed. Kids can’t tell the difference between the vidya and reality? Under normal circumstances? Balderdash.

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    TheGreg says:

    She gleefully took part in a smear campaign so she could get her face out there and, i’m assumeig, get paid as well. She attacked something without knowing anything about it, and she knows nothing about video games in general.

    She does not have the expertise in the feilds she writes books on much less on an entire industry she has pretty much slandered.

    She claims innocence.
    Innocence Proves Nothing.

    I do not beleive this woman is ready for forgiveness. It would only encourage her because there are no “long lasting effects” so long as you say “I’m sorry, kind of.”

  119. 0
    Cecil475 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I had originally voted ‘yes’. I was going to say, She realizes her mistake,

    But after reading the comments here I realize I might have chosen the wrong answer. was a great place to do that becuase of the situation. I could be called in as a ‘expert’ and say things about her book, even though I’ve never read it, based on what a friend told me in passing. She really has put this on herself. She has no one to blame but herself.

    nightwng2000 made a lot of great points. Always intresting to see what he will say about the news items on this site. Things I sometimes overlook.

    So, yeah, I agree with him. “No forgiving No forgetting.

    – Warren Lewis

  120. 0
    PeterWDawson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This wasn’t a simple mistaken remark, it was pretty much flipping off gamers everywhere. I’m not about to forgive until I get something better than a simple appology. Maybe her hugging a guy dressed up as a popular video game icon…

  121. 0
    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not the appropriate forum? Oh, is Fox News going to let everyday gamers talk about this issue? Would this issue have gotten as much attention if gamers hadn’t attacked the book?

    No and no.

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    Colonel Finn says:

    Frankly at this point continuing to bother or even reference Cooper Lawrence is counter productive. She’s been made a laughing stock for her ill-advised comments and for towing an idiot company line in order to promote a new book. But to further chase her down and bother her shows those who do so to be mean spirited and vengeful children.
    Continuing to single her out sends the message that Fox can get away with this type of action because the community will maliciously single out the guests and do nothing to the show.
    There will always be an idiot happy to stand up and trot out some soundbite garbage for crappy network news, the people who need to be educated are the networks themselves.

  123. 0
    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wait a manute… Did anyone else notice that MTV News is responsibly clarifying mistakes made by network news? Isn’t this a sign of the apocalypse?

  124. 0
    Joe Sixpack ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Many others have alluded to this, but let me state it plainly – her apology is not sincere. To believe otherwise is to ignore all the evidence about how she operates. She is only apologizing because she’s taking a beating over the reviews. Hitting people like this in the wallet is really the only way to get their attention. If it weren’t for the “bookstorming,” you can bet she never would have apologized. You may disagree with that tactic, but it got results – moreso than any number of “this is unfair!” emails ever could. I don’t believe she’s truly sorry at all – remember, we’re dealing with someone who’s credibility is nil, and who will say just about anything to sell her crap and/or get some face time on TV.

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    Rubix says:

    Terry Mesnard: It’s despicable. And while forgiving Lawrence is one thing, she’s really a pawn in the problem.

    This is true…but if enough pawns get burnt they might stop marching forward without a thought as to why they’re doing it.

    Neeneko: but we CAN effect her own bottom line.
    And this is how we get those pawns to think about their actions before they say or do something stupid.

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    davc4 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Im sorry Miss Lawrence but i still have yet to see an appology from you.
    Although im not a big fan of absoultly spamming her work with poor scores, people have to realise that before you can cast judgement over something you have to at least have some knowledge about it.

    Is it so disturbing to see alien sideboob (A quote from a friend of mine).

    Until Miss Lawrence can be forgiven by the gaming community she first has to offer the community a proper appology, and not a half-baked, i mispoke but im right anyway.

  127. 0
    koichan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I was ready to forgive her untill i read this part

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”

    Oh come on… how many thousands of times do we need to say “what research?” I have yet to see a single conclusive non-biased bit of research supporting this view.

    So in short: Nice apology, you apologise then go on to quote very dodgy research as fact without checking it. Good way to dig yourself back into the hole you previously made.

    Apology denied

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    catboy_j says:

    She kinda owned up, but she still isn’t fully admitting it. She’s kinda trying to apologize while defending herself. Still calling what happened a debate and all. She might wanna say something about Fox News.

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    Pixelantes Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    There’s nothing forgivable in what she did.

    She calls someone a “darling” on live (?) TV when she’s asked whether she played the game. The implication there is that she sees video games and playing them beneath her and something only “darlings” do. She still has not apologized for that.

    But the most serious issue I have with her is that she goes on a TV show as an expert when she CLEARLY has done no research on the issue, is not an expert on the issue and is just talking out of her ass.

    I’m not going to forgive her unless she addresses those two points to my satisfaction. I am, however, giving her that she has an unusually open mind towards owning up to her mistakes. A lot of the experts-in-their-own-minds types have a real problem ever admitting they could be wrong.

  130. 0
    Blase says:

    Now she ignored a perfect opportunity to actually apologize to gamers. Insead she sticks to her unnamed ‘research’ bullshit. Moreover she DID spead about Mass Effect like an expert in the matter and she obviously enjoyed it at the time.

    She’s digging in now.

  131. 0
    Neeneko ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    On forgiveness… forgive might be the wrong word to use, but she SHOULD be rewarded for admitting her mistake. America has a rather strong culture of ‘never admit you were wrong! it is a sign of weakness!’ that causes people to dig in and never say they were incorrect…… so rewarding someone willing to buck that behavior is a positive thing.

    On amazon… I think the amazon feedback system was absolutly the right medium for this. When you have someone preforming actions that effect others (but do not hurt them or things they care about) the best way to get them to THINK about what they did it flip things and cause thier actions to effect something they DO care about.

    Sending letters, comments, etc, would be pointless. This is someone who cares about their career and revenues. We don’t have the clout to tell Fox ‘slap her around or we boycott your advertizer’s products’, but we CAN effect her own bottom line.

  132. 0

    The problem isn’t just with Lawrence. The problem is with media as a whole, recently. This is just standard practice for cable TV shows: pick talking heads, claim them to be experts, toss them into the arena without thought of whether they are truly experts in the field or know a damn thing about it. It’s tabloid reporting and it has become the norm in TV “journalism.”

    Here’s the thing. So, we have this minor scrap over video games. Yes, we’re all upset and angered that they are passing off this terrific game as pornography. But, once you hear what Lawrence said in explanation for her ignorance, it’s actually really chilling: “Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography.”

    It makes you wonder what other “experts” are being used to discuss actually important issues plaguing the world at large and not focused on our past time.

    As per the poll, is it time to forgive or not…it doesn’t matter. The harm’s done. Everyone who saw that program has it in their mind that Mass Effect = porn. It doesn’t matter what Lawrence is saying [i]to other media that’s not Fox[/i] because the harm’s done, for one, and for two, chances are those who are influenced by Fox aren’t looking at the New York Times.

    It’s despicable. And while forgiving Lawrence is one thing, she’s really a pawn in the problem.

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    Strªngعr_Dªngعr says:

    “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment.”

    I think its the perfect forum because she would have apologized for her comments mis-informed or not. And I think we should cut her some slack, but not think twice about doing something like this again if the situation arises.

    Lets face it, most gamers are very internet suave and we need to show people that we are tired of Politicians, Parent Groups, and New Media constantly stepping on our necks in their quest to find a scapegoat that answers their question of why people are so f’d up in the head. *BUT* we really need to stop with the death threats, and racist/sexist/idiotic crap. Unfortunately gamers can’t chose who is also in the group, but we need to show that there are MATURE people who care about their favorite past time and will protect it.

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    Gameboy says:

    I say we forgive her. Just don’t forget what she has said or done. She could have easily done a 5 minute search on the web to view the sex scene, or looked up the game’s review on various web sites to see just what the game was about. She’s an idiot, but even they can learn if you beat the truth into them.

    As far as the Amazon ratings of her book, I approve of what they did. She deserved no better. I guess she sees how much it hurts to have people who haven’t even looked at your work condemning it. But I think she got the message, so there’s no more need to keep “reviewing” her book.

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    Haruko ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Of course I don’t like or agree with the amount of stupid aggrivation that the lesser intelligent of us (the people who have been spamming stuff like “omgz dis wman iz stoopid she sux” on Amazon) have been throwing at her. But I still think it was a stupid thing to do, to go on TV a spout her assumptions and uninformed negative views on a game she’d probably never heard of. To go on FOX and not even do your research to go on as if you’re an authority of the gaming industry, rather than just stand up and admit “I know nothing about this game (or the industry), but…” and maybe bring in something she DID know, is stupid. For that reason, for her disturbing idiocy, I don’t think she should quite be forgived.

  136. 0
    Setesh says:

    “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment. “
    I can’t think of a more appropriate place to show her EXACTLY what she did to gamers, and BioWare.

    “I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media.”
    HA! Debate? Calling Fox News a forum for debate, is like calling a spitting contest an Olympic sport.

    I voted No. As far as I’m concerned gamers and game companies need to viscously defend themselves, Fox News and other ‘authorities’ have taken it upon themselves to tell everyone else what’s right, and what’s wrong. They can go to hell if they think we’re going to sit here and accept their perverted judgment, I say down with anyone who thinks they can coerce ANYONE into conforming to their twisted flavor of hypo critic morality.

  137. 0
    Cidas ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Something tells me that through all of this, Jack Thompson is behind these acts! Conspiracy I say!

    Seriously, I think that this is really the first time that gamers have politically come together against the media itself.

  138. 0
    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She’s forgiven. I’m just happy she admitted to her ignorance.

    Now can we go and do something about the real culprit – Faux News?

  139. 0
    MonkeyFace says:

    that hardly counts as owning up to making inaccurate comments about Mass Effect

    I say dont forgive her…how can videogamers gain respect if we let people get off with trashing our shit as long as they say sorry. Sorry dosen’t cut it with me and it shouldn’t cut it with any of you! Shes done her damage her sorry repairs zero percent of that damage and by letting up on it we let her walk to bash us another day. We should not stop until we put a decent dent in her career that way she might be a bit more reluctant before she lies again for personal gain.

    I hate to say it but its videogamers willingness to forgive that makes us a soft target.

    Hell the videogame community is doing something brand new by standing up as much as we have…but i say we make an example of fox and cooper and hit them as hard as possible (not exactly the fairest thing, but it might get a few people to piss off)

  140. 0
    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    We should forgive because we need to show our detractors that we will forgive them if they admit they are wrong. If we don’t, then we back them into a corner that they will eventually try to lash out of. If we forgive, it puts us in a better light.

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    Dthrax ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgive her if she goes back on Fox News and admits there she screwed up. All this back talk on other news sites, mostly game related, doesn’t reach the same audience her original claims went out to.

  142. 0
    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Now that I’ve read the whole MTV segment, I question her “research”. Just because somebody is more willing to accept a stereotype in game does not mean they are blurring the line between the game and real life. Correlation does not equal causation, and even if the study as a whole was true (doubtful, given the research methods we’ve seen in the past) that wouldn’t mean that the gamers are being “desensivitized”.

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    point09micron says:

    Why should she be forgiven? She’s still spouting the blatantly false and patently stupid idea that violence and sexual content in games is somehow mentally damaging to kids.

  144. 0
    Quad9damage ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yes, she misspoke. But remember that she was only one passenger on the huge lie train that was the Mass Effect scandal. We should really be blaming the Cybercast News Service, Fox News, the Family Research Council, and Kevin McCullough. They’re the ones wholly responsible for this whole mess, while Lawrence was only a guest on Faux’s Panel of Experts.

  145. 0
    DJ Larkin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    For those who are curious about the study:

    Forgive me if I bork something with

    This study didn’t involve thousands of young children. It didn’t even involve “real life experience” or even if they knew the difference between real life and fantasy. The Washington Post, in their story Students See Video Games As Harmless, Study Finds is more accurate, but not much more. The post still sensationalizes the issue by claiming that 14-year olds, who are filled with wrath, consider themselves “immune to mayhem.”

    Also from the professor who performed the study:

    So, with that in mind, I vote no. Her “research” in to the harmful effects of video games totals one study of 100 college students, by an obviously biased researcher, that proves little to no scientific basis to make statements about the effects of games in either the short term or long term.

  146. 0
    Glen Haupt says:

    I don’t think gamers faulted her for standing by her research, they faulted her by her ignorance to Mass Effect and the situation at hand. Now that she knows and acknowledges the truth about the sex scene in Mass Effect, it should be forgiven.

    Fox News should still be chastised for their stupidity, though.

  147. 0
    Bane Keldare says:

    I believe she should be forgiven, yes. In fact I think the fact that games assaulted her book’s Amazon page was entirely unnecessary, and only served to speed up the damage control she would’ve inevitably performed anyhow.

    Would like to hear an “I’m sorry” from Fox News though.

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    Benji says:

    @Trails: She implies that she was asked to appear in her capacity as a developmental psychologist and talk about the effect of sex and violence on adolescents, and wasn’t aware that the segment would focus exclusively on Mass Effect.
    That does in fact make a great deal of sense. Fox tells her that there’s a game that adolescents can obtain that contains graphic sex. She spoke against said game. It’s what she would do, what she was basically asked to do, and I certainly can’t fault her on it. I imagine a lot of people (myself included) would condemn the practice of selling sexually explicit video games to children; fortunately, no one’s doing that right now.

  149. 0
    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I found the Amazon reviews to be mild retaliation. When I heard about gamers fighting back, I was expecting DDoS attacks and horse porn, not bad book reviews.

  150. 0
    ChrowX ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Gamers are by far the most well-organized, single-minded, and vicious group of internet dwellers anyone could ever make the mistake of crossing.

    In the words of the soul of the internet…

    “Anonymous is legion. Anonymous does not forgive. Anonymous does not forget.”

    What she got wasn’t even the worst of what Gamers could’ve done. I’m just glad that no one has started tossing out death-threats, as is so common when it comes to JT.

    Admittedly, this is a strange way to deal with the media attackers, and the social stigma that gamers are still battling, but it’s very effective. I believe more and more people who were dumb enough to mouth off about things they don’t understand, or care to learn about, are starting to realize that you don’t do it to gamers. They will destroy you, your credibility, and anything you had that could be considered sanity.

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    Pierre-Olivier ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted yes. She admitted her faults and I give her that

    I also agree with that the Amazon book reviews WASN’T the right place to debate this. A simple email could have easily done this.

    One thing I found awful about some commenter is that while Lawrence was mistaken in her statement, she takes the full blame while none complained or attacked Fox News. While she was at fault for giving statements without doing research, she DOES NOT deserve the full blame.

    Glad someone shares my views, Soldatlouis.

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    Simon Roberts ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think she got soft after making multiple appearances on a variety of news shows and never stirring up so much as a ripple in the pond of public opinion. I wish more people would take the time to get uppity about unresearched opinions on subjects they care about, so that the likes of us wouldn’t seem like “those crazy video gamers” all the time.

  153. 0
    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    I would have to say that we should forgive, but that is my religious belief. I was taught that when a person appologizes, we should forgive them. We are als otaught that we are to forgive even if they don’t appologize.

    Now this is not to say that they are without their limits. For the same offense fro mteh same person, we are to forgive 70 times 7 times if they appologize. For the same offense by the same person without an appology, it is only7. But that is only if the offense was with malice. If a person offends you but they do not know it, they should be forgiven every time else the sin is on your head.

    Not to be preachy, but just to explain why I voted yes.

    E. Zachary Knight
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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Michael Papadopoulos

    She never apologized, she just said she “misspoke” and that she regretted saying it. That’s not an apology. Not to mention her attitude (which she seems to continue to have) and other statements she made during that interview.

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    Rooster says:

    I say and voted yes. It’s time to forgive those who, while they have not said “I’m sorry” have repented. She was wrong, she was called on it, and she has admitted that she was wrong. Therefore, she should be forgiven.

  156. 0
    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted forgive. She came clean and admitted her mistake. She admitted she had been led by FOX news, whose information should have been suspect to begin with, basing her statements on information that had been given to her by them.

    I for one didn’t condone the bookstorming of her site or the things some people said and I didn’t participate in it. I felt there were better ways to address the issue with her. So in a way, I kind of understood where she was coming from on that.

    Personally I would have rather had to just simply have a nice conversation with her one on one, preferably over dinner (Even if I may disagree with her, she’s not an unattractive woman! Though I probably wouldn’t stand much of a chance of scoring with her and she’d probably accuse me of being a womanizer!). Still, I think that would help her realize that not all gamers are uncouth and immature and that quite a few of us are polite and well-spoken.

    Still like others have said, just because I forgive doesn’t mean I won’t forget.

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    Wardo says:

    If she has that little credibility when appearing LIVE on a nationally syndicated news program, how credible can her book be really? Be interesting to see the footnotes (if there are any) in her books to see what studies she cites and whether any of them are worth even half a look.

    Until then I hesitate to grant her the title expert on anything, other than at professionally bullshitting everyone.

  158. 0
    DaKaveman says:

    “Boohoo you need to stop picking on me and holding me accountable for my actions. I don’t want to be treated like a real adult.” That’s about what I’m hearing. Now you know that you can be held accountable for your actions very easily once you become a public figure and you won’t make that mistake again. Forgive not until I hear I’m sorry…. I misspoke isn’t going to cut it.

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    Benji says:

    I voted for forgiveness. I think her claims have been debunked enough, and she’s admitted as much, that she can’t really harm the gaming cause anymore. She’s sticking to her guns in saying that violence and sex should not be available to minors – that’s fine, and I’m inclined to agree with her. But she’s said she was wrong about Mass Effect.
    She’s admitted fault, and she’s no longer a threat. While it may be within our right to remain bitter towards her, I’d prefer to be the bigger man and grant her a second chance to not open her mouth and say stupid things in regards to subjects she has no knowledge of.

  160. 0
    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment.”

    I don’t even think it is underhanded. She is a liar. She has proven she will play expert with no research or knowledge of topic. That is completely unethical and makes her untrustworthy. I would think that from this point on, dismissing her work based on her lack of credibility alone is not foul play.

    She is a fake expert. She did not make a mistake in good faith. She made false agenda-driven claims. Any non-fiction book she writes should be evaluated accordingly.

  161. 0
    Meteor says:

    I voted for not sure.

    All I know is, let’s not forget this. For now, let’s keep it neutral. If, after this, she does it again, then we certainly won’t forgive. But for now, I think it’s best not to drive the issue any further.

  162. 0
    Tristram ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As Chris said, we gamers have no public forum with which to defend ourselves or games. We are forced into the sidelines to watch what “experts” have to say, and feel powerless. I think that is the point she is missing about the amazon reviews. Where else do we respond to her? No one invites us to talk on “news” shows.

  163. 0
    Shoehorn O'Plenty ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I would say that it is definitely time for the reviews to stop, as they have served their correct purpose of drawing attention to this travesty of reporting and have garnered an apology from at least one of the perpetrators.

    However, she’s very hypocritical in what she says about the reviews and her role in the Fox news section.

    About her role in the original program: “I was asked to appear on this particular show to discuss the broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents”

    About the reviews: “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment.”

    If Amazon is not an appropriate forum to trash your lack of professionalism and integrity, then the Fox show was not the appropriate forum to trash a game you had never played. To the people who are wronged or insulted (Cooper about the reviews, us by the lies and stereotyping), both seem a little unfair. An eye for eye maybe…

    I love this though: “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”

    What research? She briefly mentioned 1 study, without going into any detail on it. Maybe she didn’t read it but still knows exactly what’s in it, certainly sounds like her MO…

    Lawrence also criticized gamers’ guerrilla use of’s review feature to trash her book:

    I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment. I appeared on a news program that provides an opportunity for debate on topics that have been previously covered by the media. Amazon’s customer-reviews feature functions as a platform to review a product sold on their site, in this case my book, the topic of which does not relate to video games and/or ‘Mass Effect.’

  164. 0
    Mune says:

    I think this is really an amazing story. Within hours of the original Fox News segment, the internet gamer army mobilized within hours and thousands upon thousands of people were weighing in on this woman and taking revenge.

    While I can’t feel bad about what happened to Cooper Lawrence, I’m wondering where all this public outrage was the last few thousand times Fox News distorted more important events than a video game sex scene.

  165. 0
    Soldatlouis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Gaffit :

    There was another option : email her personally, directly and “en masse”. Which, to me, would have been at least as efficient, if not more efficient.

  166. 0
    SpiralGray ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She’s right in that the amazon review feature is not the place to discuss this. If Cooper would like to provide us with her personal email address, or be prepared to appear in a chat room at a predetermined time, perhaps gamers wouldn’t need to use amazon’s review feature to send her a message.

  167. 0
    janarius ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well, it seems that the MTV article had mentioned the University of Maryland study. and Cooper made her stance clear:

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”
    If she said that during the Fox interview, I would be more lenient to listen and perhaps agree with her.

    HOWEVER, the MTV article made the study reference and it wasn’t clear to me if it was Cooper Lawrence who provided it.

  168. 0
    Gaffit ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I believe that the customer-review feature on is not the appropriate forum to discuss an unrelated news segment.”

    Look, the simple fact is, if we hadn’t done it there then Lawrence wouldn’t have felt compelled to respond. If we had posted it on a forum or a blog (Like here for instance) then she would have simply ignored us knowing that we aren’t really doing any harm to her. But when we went after her books, then it got dangerous and it was only then that we got a response.

  169. 0
    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Nonsense. Condescending bullshit.

    Granted, admitting she should have played the game first is more than we have seen from any other idiot involved, but she still doesn’t understand what the letter “M” means.

    I have no sympathy for someone who goes on national television and waxes “expert” on something she knows nothing about. If I were representing my company nationally and had no idea what we even do, and made some ridiculously false claims, I would be fired. If the worst consequences she gets are some extra bad reviews, I think she’s still getting off pretty easy.

    To me, this is also about a complete lack of professionalism in media, not just a smear on gaming. If they misrepresent gaming this bad, what about everything else? If there are going to be journalists or experts, they have a responsibility to get things right. That’s their job. If they fail this completely, that should not be their job anymore. They have violated the trust people place in them and should be held accountable.

    She is not a credible or trustworthy person. To say this “scandal” is irrelevant to her book is simply wrong. She wrote this book based on her “expert” opinion. She has thoroughly proven that she will use that status granted to her by a degree to fabricate her own facts. At the very least, that means you have to fact check and research every claim made in her book yourself, if you don’t dismiss it outright.

  170. 0
    C'tri says:

    i say yes, it is time to forgive.

    She gave her views on Mass Effect without actually playing the game, some gamers rated her book without actually reading it.

    also, she’s apologised, so i feel that we can draw a close to this chapter.

  171. 0
    Michael Papadopoulos ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The reviews were a great example of “the shoe being on the other foot” and in my opinion were probably the best way to make her aware of what she did wrong. That being said, she made a mistake and apologized for it once she saw the backlash of her actions. As long as she learns from it and does her best not to repeat it, I’d say she can be forgiven. She may even be a better person as a result.

    I will, however, take this opportunity to remind people to look at their own hypocrisy when threatening those they speak about the “desensitizing affects of violence and sexuality in games” with acts of violence. If we’re ever to be taken seriously as a community and seen for the good people we are/can be, then this needs to end. It’s just fuel for the anti-gaming fire.

  172. 0
    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgive and forget?

    If she were just some Jane-Smane off the street being asked for a comment about something, even knowing little about it, maybe.

    BUT, she was called as an “expert”. Moreover, when asked specific questions regarding a specific game and its contents, she LIED regarding her knowledge of it. Moreover, when asked during this “debate” if she had played the game, she LAUGHED and said “no”, giving the general audience the impression of “I’m an ‘expert’, I know EVERYTHING and don’t NEED to research squat. I’m an ‘expert’ and you should take what I say at face value, even if it’s a lie.”

    What would the intelligent thing to do have been? When asked specifically about a game she knew nothing about, she should have flatly told the truth. “I was called to be on this show for general issues and wasn’t told I’d be discussing a specific game. I have not played the game in question and haven’t been given the opportunity to research properly information on it. So I can’t comment on specific details regarding the game. Someone earlier told me it contains ‘pornography’, but that’s hardly enough research for me to properly comment on it.”

    Would that have been so hard?

    So, no, no forgiveness, no forgetting.

    NW2K Software

  173. 0
    ~the1jeffy says:

    No. She’s a pseudo-scientist, masquerading as an expert on TV (with no qualms about appearing as an expert with no research – until after the fact, of course), standing on questionable research (or deliberately interpreting it wrong to sell books). This isn’t conciliatory – it’s backpedaling. While I don’t hold eye-for-and-eye justice as the norm, in this instance it’s warranted – being that the negative reviews of her book were exactly the same thing she did to Mass Effect. And the reviews are only online – not national TV news. The two are not equal in scope.

    To pacify me, she would have to call out Fox News for leading her into making false statements, and also she needs to cite these ‘studies’ she mentions (like any real scientist would). But she wants to have the ability to appear their again (making more money for lies), so she won’t.

    I’m still wating for the studies she’s abusing to come into light. She’s making a fairly bold claim – that young men can’t separate fantasy from reality. Burden of Proof, meet Cooper Lawrence. I’m sure you haven’t met before.

    Lawrence Quotes:
    “We know that all the research shows that violence has a desensitizing effect. Well, sexuality does too…”

    Proof please.

    “Right, and a young boy’s going to be choosing not to have sex. That’ll be what they choose. I mean, let’s be realistic here -“

    Way to marginlize and stereotype young boys. Sexist. I’m still waiting for this to be addressed.

    “And the research says there’s a new study out of the University of Maryland right now that says that boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world…”

    What study? And I will read he whole thing – not just skim the summary and use it how I want.

    Am I being unreasonable? Maybe. But reason left town when she set foot on the Fox News set.

  174. 0
    Dog_Welder ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgiveness typically comes after an apology. An apology generally contains the words, “I’m sorry.” “I’m sorry” has not yet come out of this mouthpiece.

  175. 0
    Arch ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted not to forgive her, she’s not getting the point and it’s utterly sad how much of a wall she is. She sits there and tries to half ass an apology to gamers as a whole? I won’t speak for the crowd, but when you sound THAT sure of yourself on a topic you don’t know? I tend to expect a little more then a ‘I misspoke’.

    Yeah lady, you misspoke big time and it won’t all go away because you think you apologized enough.

  176. 0
    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ohhh poor me…. That’s pretty much all she said and she stands by what studies? Studies that were conducted in an improper manner? Or BS studies or misquoting them like that one guy in Florida? Her complaining about getting a taste of her own medicine makes her a hypocrite. With that and the attitude she displayed on Fauktard News shows at least to me that she deserves no forgiveness. All she’s doing is damage control and a poor job at it. I even saw her on CNNHN earlier this week on I think Showbiz Tonight discussing celebrity gossip crap that they always talk about on there.

  177. 0
    Soldatlouis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I already disapproved the guerilla on Amazon. Now that she recognized her mistake, I think it’s REALLY time to forgive her. After all, she wasn’t the worst of the list : she just misspoke and recognized it. On the opposite, Cathy Ruse not only misspoke, but also sparked the controversy, called for a villification and a prosecution of BioWare, and remained unapologetic since.

  178. 0
    chris ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not that I agree with the amazon attacks, but it was the only and most effetive means for gamers to get their message across and be taken seriously, she made the mistake of weighing in on a topic she had no knowledge of and she got a good lesson in the results. She learned that fire is hot.

    and as always the irony of the attacks makes me smile, intentional or not there is poetry to it.

  179. 0
    nnanji says:

    I voted no on the poll. Forgiveness is something that you earn. It isn’t given just bcause you run to MTV and cry about it and say how sorry you are. Because of the attacks on Cooper’s credibility and (hopefully) booksales, we can hope that other pundits will think twice before agreeing to appear on Fox News and spout bulls***. It is unfortunate that it had to come to this extreme, but an example had to be made, and she just happened to be the one millionth customer.

    No forgiveness! No forgetting!

  180. 0
    Robert says:

    I don’t know if we should forgive. She went on Fox news and criticized a game she had never even seen. I think the only reason she’s even attempting an apology (and not a great one at that) is because the results are affecting her wallet.

    She obviously has no problem pushing crap and bullshit and I seriously doubt that she has suddenly changed her ways.

  181. 0
    beek says:

    The attacks on her book were analogous to the attacks made on Mass Effect. “No I haven’t played Mass Effect” is almost equal to “I haven’t read this book”. Not that two wrongs make a right….but I don’t feel like she would have apologized without the incident.

  182. 0
    Marlowe says:

    I say nay to that poll, she had the odacity to LAUGH at the actual video game expert who suggested she should have played the game before making comments on it (you know do a little research, you are technically a scientist) and then goes back and says she WISHES that she could have played the game… do you need directions to EB around you? cause I got google maps. Then after doing that, she thinks it’s “unfair” the way she was treated, screw that, it’s unfair how she treated us, I guess next time you can keep this in mind when you are asked to comment on something that you know nothing about and you’ll, perhaps, do your f-ing job as a so called “expert” and actually do enough research so you can honestly say “I know what the hell I’m talking about.”

    That being said, shame on Fox for letting her hang out to dry without admitting guilt on their part.

  183. 0
    Monkeythumbs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Forgive, sure… but don’t forget. Any more aggro we pour on this lady will only end up biting us in the arse in the long run.

    That said, whilst I don’t agree with them, I think the guerilla tactics by some gamers of defacing her Amazon book ratings was totally credible. Now that she knows how it feels to be slammed without being given fair and proper treatment, I sincerely doubt she’ll ever do it again. Plus, it serves as a warning to other critics to check their facts in case they “misspeak”.

    Next time, we go 4chan on your asses.

  184. 0
    chuma ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So it is bad for people to attack her book, having not read it, just to make a point about the wider picture or her credibility, but her attacking Mass Effect having not played it is fine because she was talking about the wider picture of effects on children…

    I get the feeling that logic doesn’t feature heavily in her thesis?

  185. 0
    ZippyDSMlee ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    It dose not matter if you played it or not IMO proper research means you can read up on the game and watch videos of it, hopfully from neutral sources…or if one has a brain hit the game sites and then pen your own conclusion to what you have seen.

    She must understand that blind distaste on media is distasteful, she fails to factor in the infulance humans have on media and not what media dose to them.

    Meh it only parataily works after a point you need to stop scorning zee earth.

  186. 0
    dedre ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As stated, never once did I hear or read an “I’m sorry” or “I apologize”…though she is backpeddling (at least about misspeaking about mass effect the game itself), which is at least something.

    Now…if only those that owned that airtime (FOX) could be held accountable to any extent of their wallets being hit as well…

  187. 0
    Sparky112 says:

    Ugh, post got lost, so I’ll paraphrase.

    @ lumi

    No, I do “get it.” I get that people are angry about a slight they received in the media. I get that they feel they’ve been pushed around too long and they finally have a way to fight back. I understand that. What I a(and a lot of other posters) am saying is that this is not, and shouldn’t, be only about Cooper. It should be about finding a way to take that anger and frustration and use it to do something more productive than clicking stars on Amazon.

    This is obviously not the last time that gamers are going to be attacked. So what do we do the next time it happens? We need to have a voice, and I’m saying that we should use this incident as a way to create a way to respond to such attacks in the future, rather than wasting our effort on a method which has no long-term value.

    To extend your analogy, we DO NOT want to be the child that responds once to a bully’s attack with an unexpected violent act. We need to be the child who responds, but then also takes the hard road to get the school to make rules and take steps to ensure that ALL bullies are deterred from bullying, not just the one bully in that one instance.

    @ Timmay!

    If someone is badmouthing you in public, do you feel it’s your right to do whatever you want to do to them, simply because they’re saying things about you that are untrue? Do you sit there and do nothing? No, you take appropriate measures – and that’s all I am asking for.

    And I agree with you – what we need to do is not limit this fight to just the people like Cooper. We need to take it to those like Fox News, because (as everyone else has already said) they are the real culprits here. We can’t waste our time and effort mucking about on when the real fight is elsewhere. We need to organize and make real change so that gamers have a voice which can be heard loud and clear when something like this goes down. Isn’t that what we all really want – to have an actual say in this cultural battle? Or am I mistaken?

  188. 0
    Conejo ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    the Amazon-retort was perfect, in my opinion.
    it showed her that she can’t just go around spouting lies and expect to make money.

    and no, Fox News did not give proper allotment to counter her false claims. it is disingenuous to even think that. the one gamer who did speak for us (and did as well as he was able) was treated rudely, unfairly, and with extreme bias.

    since she has publicly retracted her false claims, i think it is time to accept the apology and move on. nothing more needs to be done about her right now.

  189. 0
    Az says:

    No it’s not time to forgive. She is supposed to be a professional, yet went on the show and happily attacked a game she had not played. In my eyes she has no integrity as a professional in her field now.

    As for not using Amazon’s review section to retaliate – gamer’s didn’t have the chance to go on Fox news and say their piece like she did. They have to use whatever medium is available to rebutt her lies. So yes, Amazon’s review section is appropriate.

  190. 0
    ConstantNeophyte ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I vote for forgiveness, only because there isn’t a Cooper Who? answer. She “misspoke” and she got called on it. Game over. Now she comes up with this crap. Thing is: it doesn’t matter. The study she refers to is horribly misquoted by her and also horribly misinterpreted by the researcher who has a blatant bias with regards to video games.

    So in summary to that mess: who gives a fuck about her? She’s rescinded her stupidest comments and the rest are easily debunked as well. We have bigger Foxes to fry 😀

  191. 0
    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t believe she would have apologized without the “Amazon” factor. I think the “mob outcry” was appropriate (at least all the cilivized comments anyway). However, her latest comments made me wonder if she’s being sincere. I voted “not sure” on GP’s poll because of her latest muttering.

    The bigger problem here, if Fox News.

  192. 0
    jccalhoun ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She may have regretted saying things that were wrong about the game, but does she regret going on television and talking about something she doesn’t know anything about? I don’t see that. She regrets what she says but there’s no indication she regrets agreeing to be on the show in the first place.

    Darling, she is missing the larger problems with her actions.

  193. 0
    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Bane Keldare:

    “I believe she should be forgiven, yes. In fact I think the fact that games assaulted her book’s Amazon page was entirely unnecessary, and only served to speed up the damage control she would’ve inevitably performed anyhow.”

    I’m sorry, but WHAT could possibly make you think “she would’ve inevitably performed” any kind of damage control whatsoever if the Amazon bomb hadn’t been dropped on her? There would have been no damage to control.

  194. 0
    Jezebeau says:

    The problem is that she didn’t “misspeak”. She had no knowledge to speak of in the first place. She took the first opinion out of the first mouth she came across, and didn’t even ask if *that* person had actually seen the game. That’s completely unprofessional, and it’s not journalism; it’s talk-show sensationalism.

    Should people lay off the book smear? Absolutely: there’s only so long you can get away with that crap before she ends up looking cleaner than you do. Should she be forgiven? Never. She doesn’t seem to understand, or be willing to admit, the full extent of her mistake. So long as this incident is hanging over her head, maybe she won’t sink to that level of unprofessionalism just to sell a story. If it happens again, her Amazon ordeal will look like a child’s birthday party compared to the housewrecker I’ll help throw.

  195. 0
    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This woman is still a piece of trash.

    – She knowingly went on the air and PRETENDED to be an expert on a topic she knew nothing about.

    – She only did so to promote another one of her quasi-pshchology books.

    – She is a man-hating feminist (part of the reason she was on the show- games are played mostly by men)…no different from a white supremacist, black panther, or other hate group.

    This is a person with NO integrity. She deserves no sympathy- she got caught in the act.

  196. 0
    ~the1jeffy says:


    How? She can just shift-delete emails. It’s an easy habit to get into when you receive lots of angy emails.

    People went after her meal-ticket, and got results. Now, base insults, threats, and spam are dirty tactics and are plain wrong. But reviewing her book with, “She doesn’t research what she talks about!” or, “I am making a point to review this book without reading it, just like she does on TV!” are effective arguements. Which she couldn’t ignore.

  197. 0
    The Borderer says:

    From the Fox News report:

    “Darling, I gotta go with the research. And the research says there’s a new study out of the University of Maryland right now that says that boys that play video games cannot tell the difference between what they’re seeing in the video game and the real world…”

    From the abstract of the study she cites on MTV News:

    “The aim of this study is to assess late adolescents’ evaluations of and reasoning about gender stereotypes in video games…Males are more likely than females to find stereotypes acceptable.”

    I don’t have any way to read the full article, but it looks like she hadn’t read it either and misunderstood what the study was about. It is a huge leap from finding stereotypes acceptable to not being able to tell the difference between a game and reality.

    I’ll vote for not sure until we know if this is a mistake or misinformation.

  198. 0
    DeusPayne ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.”

    Wait… wait… so where’s the apology for that then. To me, that’s just as much slander as the Mass Effect crap.

  199. 0
    Trails ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I voted yes, but I would like to see her answer to the question GP possed earlier, paraphrased as “what kind of prep was she given by Fox News?”

    I would really like her to shed some light on whether this was a coincidence of errors or a smear campaign for ratings, my suspicions being to the latter.

  200. 0
    AM ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    My issue with her crying about the attack on her books is this: If she’s willing and prepared to condemn something she knows nothing about, make smart-alec remarks about something she knows nothing about (“Luke Skywalker Meets Debbie Does Dallas”), and stand behind those remarks (she’s not standing behind them now, and I applaud her for that, but she certainly didn’t care to give any ground on the show), I think it’s perfectly reasonable to attach to her work that this is someone who is willing to talk as if she were an expert, when she’s not.

    The Mass Effect issue has nothing to do with her books. The fact that she was willing to sell her credibility has EVERYTHING to do with any volume of work she might publish.

  201. 0

    “I’m still right, maybe not about Mass Effect, but I’m still right. Oh, and gamers need to stop attacking my book. It already receives enough bad reviews on its own without having gamers attack it. My book didn’t make mistakes, it is really, really innocent. Oh, did I mention I have a book and want people to buy it?”

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