ELSPA Denies 90% DS Piracy Quote

February 1, 2008 -
ELSPA officials have completely disavowed a newspaper report in which the organization's head of IP security is quoted as saying that 90% of American DS owners use a particular copyright circumvention device. gi.biz has ELSPA's denial, quoting an unnamed spokesperson:
[IP security head John Hillier] didn't quote The Sunday Post on any figures whatsoever. ELSPA (which represents U.K. game publishers) would certainly never presume to comment about America or anywhere else outside of the UK.

The quotes from The Sunday Post were ascribed to his name from another article which originates from a website in Singapore. This, it appears, is where The Sunday Post first found out about the supposed R4 situation and for some reason unknown to John have quoted him on what this article said.

As far as Nintendo are concerned, the facts are completely spurious.

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Ashton Said: "The games in Singapore are really, REALLY expensive. Last time I was there it cost $80 for a GBA game. GBA! Tales of Eternia cost $120! Imagine game prices that are half the cost of the system or more, and you’ll see why."

According to my friend, the game market in Malta is very similar. The official reason for the high prices is to make up the money lost through imports and piracy (of course), but I believe the actual reason may be something closer to "monopoly, lols."

sheppy Said: "Nintendo once claimed over $500 million lost due to Gamecube piracy in a single year."

Yeah, I really don't trust those figures. I imagine they are obtained on the false idea that--if piracy wasn't available--everyone would just buy those games they pirated.

Makes more sense now.

- Warren Lewis

Which.. Does actually make sense..

I thought so.

I mean I couldn't understand why the ELSPA being Eourpe based was commenting on us here in the states.

Do they have this supposed web site, or are they to assume that since it's likely not in english, no one would care to check up on it?

The original claim was so ridiculous, I'm actually inclined to believe this denial, despite my initial gut reaction to scoff at such convenient excuses in most circumstances.

That said, I agree with DeusPayne, I'd like to know more about this website. No reason for them not to reveal it.

You'd think after that BS the RIAA pulls, that they'd check their facts so they don't have to start damage control.
IP security people never check facts sadly...

I would love to see the article in question as well.

Dennis, any chance we could get a link? Maybe someone should find it for him.

Glad to see that they are retracting that figure. Makes you wonder if anything else in the original article was false as well.

Wow, Andi thought Faux News was bad,.

Well, i feel better about that now. Glad for that misconception being cleared up so fast.

Well there you have it.

Ah, responsible journalism... where have you gone?

"Do they have this supposed web site, or are they to assume that since it’s likely not in english, no one would care to check up on it?"

Singapore's national language is English, so it'd likely be in English.

RIP Journalistic Integrity. You will be missed.

Alright I think I have found the article:

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_193855.html

In this it quotes New Era Entertainment as stating the 90% rate for Singapore, not the US.

@ DeusPayne

They refuted the claim and it's up to the newspaper to come up with their source for the quote. If it wasn't a direct quote then the source should have been mentioned in the article. "Blah blah was quoted in the Singapore Daily Sling as saying 'I saw monkeys fly right out of his ass! Right out!' Blah blah couldn't be reached for further comment." If they didn't do that then the fault is the newspaper's and the burden of proof is on them, not on the guy who was misquoted.

Good job EZK, now....seems that the Sunday Post has some explaining to do....

Wonder if the author of that article in the Sunday Post has written any books? ;)

SHEESH! The editor should be fired for not checking the source of the "facts"

yeah i think the newspaper needs to be held accountable not the elspa

Why would people want to play ROMs on their DS when they have problems? I'd rather go for the actual games because I know there's nothing wrong with them, except for the occasional glitch.

"In this it quotes New Era Entertainment as stating the 90% rate for Singapore, not the US."

And that sounds pretty accurate, actually :)

@Ken

Unfortunately, even amongst working adults with spare cash here in Singapore, the very idea of paying for original games is shocking.
With the exception of some of my friends, I get shocked silence all round whenever I mention buying some game or other.. =(

@JBourrie

Heh, its not THAT high... Though I guess its not exactly a low figure either... =/

@Ken

There are good reasons to use an R4 even if you're perfectly happy to buy your games. Most of them come back to convenience. They're typically used with a 2 gigabyte microSD card, so you can store everything you need to play all your games, listen to mp3s, browse the net*, or even make VOIP calls (with a homebrew application) on a single "cartridge". You don't have to carry a bunch of extra stuff or swap cartridges every time you want to do something different.

Granted, a lot of people just want to play pirated games with them, but not everyone.

*The Opera browser requires the GBA-type memory expansion cartridge that comes with the official product.

"Why would people want to play ROMs on their DS when they have problems? I’d rather go for the actual games because I know there’s nothing wrong with them, except for the occasional glitch."

The games in Singapore are really, REALLY expensive. Last time I was there it cost $80 for a GBA game. GBA! Tales of Eternia cost $120! Imagine game prices that are half the cost of the system or more, and you'll see why. But it's been five years so I don't know about the game prices there but I imagine it can't be that good anyway.

just me or are the 'mainstream' media outlets not even trying these days? i guess they figure no one is reading/watching them anymore anyway they may as well not bother

"Singapore’s national language is English..."

Huh, learn something new every day.

@Ashton,

Suddenly, I don't feel so bad about Malaysia's lack of original games anymore, because even the originals in Malaysia are cheaper than Singapore's.

I can't even remember if the Sunday Post is a tabloid. Beemoh would know..

Although, I'd guess it is. The Tabloids all seem to have something against the Industry, and to a lesser extent the US Population. Right-Wing bastards..

Sunday Post not known for the accuracy or legitimacy of its stories.

I am sorry unless they can dig up hard evidence otherwise THEY RELEASED THE STATEMENT, because the media mafia is that dumb some of the time.

@ZippyDSMlee

If they said they didn't do it, they didn't do it. The evidence that they did is very dodgy.

On one hand, the evidence they said this is little. On the other hand, Nintendo once claimed over $500 million lost due to Gamecube piracy in a single year.

@Diane

Yeah, most piracy figures are worked on the assumption that company X would be amount Y better off for every pirated game downloaded, which is, of course, complete poppycock.

Still, it won't stop someone in Congress from quoting these kinds of numbers. A Lie can travel half way around the world before the Truth can put on it's shoes... or something similar to that. So industry lobbyinsts will quote the 90% and the MAFIAA will get a little stronger.

Someone's been reading Pratchett ;)
 
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