Most Gamers Willing to Forgive Cooper Lawrence

GamePolitics has been running a poll for the last two days in order to determine if the gaming community is willing to forgive (but certainly not forget) Cooper Lawrence’s trashing of Mass Effect.

After all, the self-help author did come clean on the state of blissful ignorance from which she slammed the highly-regarded game on Fox News’ Live Desk program on January 21st.

Moreover, many gamers apparently suspect that Cooper was simply the front person while Fox News is the real culprit behind the Mass Effect smear

So the votes are in. With nearly 2,600 GP readers registering an opinion:

  • 52% say it’s time to forgive Cooper
  • 37% say “no way!”
  • 11% are undecided
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    lordlundar says:

    Please remember that Cooper is not a 5 year old who is going to be spanked for not telling these lies. She is a grown woman who knew exactly what she was saying and that she had no information to go with it. She was not simply a face for faux news, considering they could have grabbed anyone, called them an expert and did the same thing. She agreed to this crap, and to this day, at best, she retracted her statement.

    Note I said retracted. She regretted saying it, but at no point did she admit her own personal fault for this insult. Instead she goes and says that she didn’t know. In short, she’s acting like a spoiled little valley girl after she causes a major accident. All that’s missing is the stupid giggle.

    She had a choice, she made her choice, and instead of accepting the consequences for her choice, she tries to pass the buck. Until she owns up to her own mistakes and accepts responsibility for her own actions, She gets no forgiveness from me.

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    Brett Schenker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Terrible Tom

    Thanks for the feedback and those are definitely some good ideas. As there are many issues going on at once, the general set up will be that each issue will be put forward at once (like how on the ECA website you can find all of the legislation currently going on), and time sensitive issues will be highlighted in various ways. For each issue there will be different ways for action to be taken. If it’s dealing with legislation in the US Senate you could write to your Senators, if it’s state specific you could contact them, or if its media related you could contact them.

    As far as members giving their opinions, members can currently check out the forums and write their opinions there and debate the issues at hand further. ECA completely agrees about opinion trading and open communication, which is at the heart of online advocacy tools ECA’s building and offering.

    As far as the polls go, I’ll pass your concerns along.

    Brett Schenker
    Online Advocacy Manager

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    EZK – I agree with taking the high road then. As long as it includes ignoring the anti-game activists. I don’t really think ignoring someone is respectful but that is just my opinion.

    Everyone – Yea I’m sure the ECA doesn’t really condone the book storming, probably most likely because it gives a bad image to the organization and also some of the ideas expressed in the comments were probably not fitting to the ECA’s official stance.

    I’m incredibly interested to see how this tool set is going to be implemented. It could be dangerous but it could be great. The Video Game Voters Network had a pretty good system, even though I no longer endorse anyone that is in anyway connected to the ESRB. I do wish it was less generalized but I do understand that you can’t grant complete freedom otherwise there will be a few people sending ideas not endorsed by the ECA.

    I think it would be cool to also get a members-only voting systems going. So basically you give the ECA members a topic, get them to write a few sentences generalizing their opinions, then you make a poll in which only ECA members can vote(once) and then endorse the winning opinion considering it isn’t a extremely close tie or just too close to really call the official ECA stance. Really it is about the members and I think this would be beneficial to the organization to have a clear and open communication and opinion trading between central offices, chapters, and all other members. Not that the ECA isn’t already striving for that, but I think this could be an efficient way to know where everyone stands and how you should adjust the stance or if you even need to adjust the stance at all.

    The polls here at GP are good, but they are so easily manipulated. Having members-only polling would ensure that people can only vote once, and determine how many ECA members are actively participating in the surveys. It would be, in my opinion, a marvelous source of information not only to find the most popular topics but to make sure we are well informed on each and every situation at hand.

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    Brett Schenker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hey everyone,

    I just want to say unless specifically stated comments on this blog do not reflect the ECA’s opinions’ or official stances. The ECA has never officially commented on the book storming. But the ECA has spoken clearly about the FOX misinformation which is the issue at hand. Unlike other organizations the ECA made their voice known.

    We’re currently working on a tool set where you will be able to directly contact members of the press or politicians and let your opinions and voices be heard. That should be available pretty soon.

    Brett Schenker
    Online Advocacy Manager

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I think there are two issues at hand here: forgiveness and responsibility. Do I forgive Cooper Lawrence for making a terrible mistake in judgement? Yes, we all make mistakes, it’s typically part of being human. However, I also hold her responsible for her unprofessional and irresponsible comments. As she told the New York Times, “I recognize that I misspoke. I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.” No where in that statement did she every apologize for the damage she caused or the unprofessional manner in which she conducted herself. The Amazon book rating attack was a cost for those words. If she came forward and said she understood why the gaming community was upset and she was sorry for what she said then she’d be taking responsibility for her actions. She has not, so we as the gaming community owe her nothing.

    It’s obvious from Cooper’s comments that she is putting the responsibility of the misinformation squarely on Fox News’s shoulders. Yes, Fox News DEFINITELY needs to apologize and take responsibility as well, but that’s irrelevent to her situation. SHE made the comments. The words came from HER lips. No one forced her to say these things no one put a gun to her head and made her get on network television.

    I honestly think another pole should be run asking if Cooper is as much to blame, as responsible for the slander against Mass Effect as Fox News.

    EZK I get where you’re coming from. Turn the other cheek, forgive and forget. I personally feel it’s time to draw the line in the sand. At what point do we as a group make it clear there’s a cost for misinformation? I understand what Blackice is saying. If there is never a cost for misinformation and outright lies in the court of public opinion then why should anyone ever stop?

    I personally have never made a comment about Cooper as an individual. She seems like someone who’s be caught in a bad situation and simply doesn’t know how to handle it. Good people make bad mistakes and it seems the community as a whole didn’t attack Cooper either (I could be completely off base there since I’m basing that off what I’m seeing here).

    Anyway, I hope at least some of what I’ve said makes sense.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ Terrible Tom

    Exactly. That is part of the high road. Don’t attack the people attacking us. Convince the people supporting the critics to support us.

    What is the easiest way to stop an opposing army? Block them from receiving any kind of support from the home front. What good is an army of critics, if no one will listen to them?

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    Hal might not be willing to ignore the critics. However, I am more than willing. There is away to fix this situation that does not involve the critics. It is about positive reinforcement and educating the general public.

    In my opinion the focus should be on creating a positive message on behalf of gamers, educating the general public that doesn’t really know a whole lot about this new art/media, sorting out the mess in terms of self inflicted pseudo-censorship and preventing government regulation from being implemented. I don’t see where the critics fit into the problem, they just keep saying the same thing over and over again and the only reason they matter is because people don’t ignore them. The issue isn’t about the critics, it is about us. Gamers, game developers and game retailers. It is all about the game industry and all who belong to it. The anti-game activists really aren’t well spoken nor do they provide logical arguments. They blatantly spread lies and present arguments full of fallacies. All of them are one in the same, every single one of them. They don’t deserve the attention we give them, it is a waste of valuable time.

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    koku ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ everybody

    hovever regarding all of your statements, im positive that she wouldn’t of apoligized if the full brunt of gaming hadn’t come crashing down on her.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ Sheppy

    Listen to GP. He is absolutely right. You can ignore the critics and get nowhere. Or you can take the high road and control the debate.

    You hit the nail on the head when you said that thse critics should fear you. But not because we have the collective power to book storm. But because we are a tv watching, voting, educated, well employed demographic that should not be ignored.

    When a tv station bashes games and refuses to apologize, we can air our criticism and collectively stop watching that station. When a politician writes legislation that unjustly targets games, we can vote for the other guy and air our reasons for it.

    The high road does not mean that we don’t strike back, it means that we strike back on our terms and with better tactics, than those on the low road.

    Think about it in military terms. When you are at the top of a cliff, you can snipe a convoy marching along the valley floor, without ever putting yourself in danger. But once you leave that vantage point and go for face to face combat, you open yourself up to their attacks and you could fall.

    When we hold the vantage point of the high road, all the enemy can do is throw insults at us and our hobby. What we can d is systematically take out the people who are fighting against us.

    What good is a game legislating politician who can’t get voted back into office? What good is a news station that lost most of its viewership? What good is a pop psychologist who has a bad reputation?

    Once we step down and start falsely accuse someone, lie about them or their work, or other tactics, we have left the high road and are now fighting on their turf.

    Look at Cooper and her “apology”. She played the victim card extremely well. He fans will look at that and see that gamers went and book stormed her and attacked her. Our actions just solidified the gamer stereo type in thousands of her fans. That is the casualty of low road tactics. She may have lost credibility with us, but we didn’t care about her in the first place, so no real loss to her. But we lost credibility with potentially thousands of people who like her work. That is a huge loss to us.

    The Low road will never give us anything more than a superficial victory. To truly win this “war” we need to stick to the high road and attack with our large forces of influence on media and politics.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    Scolar Visari says:

    I voted No not because I’m an angry small minded person. I voted no because like many other gamers I feel that our current tactic of sitting on our asses and waiting for something good to happen is not working. I love this site but if you think about it no amount of bitching or intelligent conversation on this site will really make a difference. We can take the nice passive approach and hope our leaders get of their asses or we the average gamer can stand up for ourselves. If the ECA and other community leaders don’t take action then more conflict is inevitible.

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    That_1_Guy says:

    Look, in here own anti-gamer way she said “I’m sorry”. But anyways there are more powerful ignorant people in the world than Cooper Lawrence. *cough* Hillary *cough*

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    Grifter_tm ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’d stop bashing her book, but that doesn’t mean I’d forgive her. Next time she does it again, I’d probably bash her book again.

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    sheppy says:


    Ummm, no. Look, as Hal Halpin said, high road tactics don’t work. We’ve been steadily pushing towards government controlled censorship or a much more strict CCA. I mean, people laugh at the fact that Marvel comics could never say Satan in their comics and instead went for Mephisto but that’s CCA. The CCA created strict guidelines which stiffled the industry and if comics wanted their product sold through majority of distributors, they had to adhere to the CCA.

    Having said that, remember Manhunt 2? AO rating = gamers will never get a chance to play it. Nevermind the fact that much more horribly violent material is readily available for purchase at Wal-mart. AO equals no distribution channels being open. Effectively the industry DOES have their CCA except without the very easy to follow rules to keep their product avalable. We’ve officially bent over to these demands and things ARE getting worse. We no longer have the luxury of the high road.

    “Those people that told you that you were an idiot or nerd for loving games, they are just jealous that they are not on that high road.”

    Umm, no. Who am I? I am a faceless entity upon the vast web of cyberspace with zero power. People do not follow me, listen to what I have to say, nor does my voice stretch to thousands who would take up the battlecry which ushers forth from my mouth. I am alone and powerless.

    Meanwhile, a movie critic in the San Francisco Bay Area for a newspaper will determine the thoughts and ideas of many thousands of people. Roger Ebert is an icon and is especially big in my area as a UofI graduate who hosts an annual independant film festival whos tickets sell out months in advance of the actual event. He determines the ideas and thoughts his readership follow. Who is Cooper Lawrence? She is an acclaimed pop psychiatrists who’s books as feed into the shallow base emotions of far too many Oprah fans and her statements guide the thoughts and minds of her followers.

    I am but one against a voice who commands thousands. I am alone in my tactics and ideals, they have their fans and their followers. They are not jealous of me. But they should fear me. Because while my voice and motivations are my own, there are millions like me. Solitairy in our influence and yet united in our goals. If her Amazon ratings were not bombed, would she have taken the effort to educate herself? This is a cause and effect that the high road simply does not produce.

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    Weatherlight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I personally think the question could have involved more options, because they did not convey how most people feel on the issue.

    I for one will not forgive her for her statements, but I do not think people should continue to blast her book. I do think that it was needed or she never would have corrected her mis-statement, but I hardly consider what she said an apology. I consider what she said to be a “you caught me making statements of stuff that I don’t know but you should trust me o this other thing, because I am an expert”. People who act like that bring discredit to their field and should be removed from it.

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    cullarn ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    forgiveness without an act of contrition? i think not (she hasnt even really apologized) for the record i consider an act of contrition to appear on a major media outlet and actually apologize to those she attacked and insulted

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ Sheppy

    The high road does not mean that we fight back. The high road means that we fight back without stooping to their level.

    If another politician drafts a law that adds taxes to video games to pay for increased costs of law enforcement, we shouldn’t simply step back and let the ESA handle it. We need to write letters and yes, even impede the progress of tactics like this by working WITH their competition come next election period. If another false expert jumps on national television to peddle her book while attacking a soft target like games with blatant misinformation, we should shove their tactics right back at them.

    That is a perfect example of a high road tactic. You are not personally attacking the person who drafted the law, but you are working to make sure that they cannot do anything else so stupid.

    You can write Fox News and tell them that you will be boycotting their program. Sure enough if they get enough of those letters it will make them think twice before they do it again.

    I have heard of people writing the program’s advertisers explaining the situation and why you cannot support a company that promotes such drivel.

    These are high road tactics that make a statement without making personal attacks.

    Those people that told you that you were an idiot or nerd for loving games, they are just jealous that they are not on that high road.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    ~the1jeffy says:

    So because I voted “No” and would still do so, I am an angry small-minded person?

    She has done nothing to warrant forgiveness. I’ll go as far as say, “Let it go,” but forgive? You have to earn forgivness for it to mean anything – “I’m sorry,” just doesn’t cut it, and she didn’t even go that far.

    Like I said in other thread, she retracted her statements about Mass Effect, but still went on to spout tripe about her ‘study’ and stand firm on her flawed stance on video games. So, Mass Effect episode – over. Her being a sham-psychologist and enemy of gamers? Still active.

    Now I don’t like the baseless insults and immaturity that some gamers brought to bear in this issue – those do nothing to help. The bookstorming on Amazon was effective, but I like to look at the individual reviews and judge them case by case. Plenty of Amazon reviews for other books are about the author and not the actual book, so the precedent is there. I think putting up a review that says, “This author goes on TV News and makes false, un-researched claims. So what does that say about the things she writes about?” or similar is a fair assessment of the situation – and technically that doesn’t break any rules.

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    Jigsaw ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “In hindsight, I would have liked to have had the opportunity to play this game before appearing on the program. As a developmental-psychology expert, I was asked to appear on this particular show to discuss the broader issue of video games and their impact on developing adolescents, not as an expert on ‘Mass Effect…’

    I firmly stand by the research I cited that violence and sexual content in video games has a desensitizing effect on young developing minds.

    I recognize that I misspoke. I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

    Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography. But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

    to put it simply. as the first post in the previous story said, it’s like she’s always right, she was wrong about mass effect but she’s still right”

    I still believe the only reason she gave the “misspoke” apology is because her amazon took a thrashing. I forgive her for being ignorant, I don’t forgive her for only apologizing because of amazon.

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    Fallenone ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Why should we be so forgiving? She totally jumped head first into the debate. She accepted without doing research on her own. Why would I want to read her book if she is so naive. Can I forgive her comments? Sure, I guess. Can I forgive her ignorance ? No. She was completely rude to gamers, and her opponent in the debate. She decided to “go with the research”, but she didn’t know what was going on. I accept she didn’t know what she was talking about, but I don’t forgive her for going out there and misinforming the public when she didn’t know what she was talking about. However, I hold no hostility toward her, so I think my health will be fine.

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I admit, I’m just reacting to the headline here, but well, duh…
    Golden rule stuff, everybody’s human, everybody makes mistakes. The question being can she suck it up and learn from it. If she can, great, more’s the better. If not, well, I hear wacko-jacko’s lonely in the human-freakshow category. Maybe she can help him protect us horrible gamers from our mind-masters in the ESA. /sarcasm.

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    JMack says:

    Personally I don’t care how much she “apologises” (though i haven’t found the bit where it actually says “sorry”). The fact that she would take a position in a debate that has been handed to her by fox displays a total lack of integrity on her part. What fox did wasn’t good, but its not surprising either. They promote sensation, not news. Why someone would actually chose to aid them in that though is beyond me.

    But then maybe I’m expecting too much from people.

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    jonc2006 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    look i dont really like what fox news and her did any more than the rest of you with but for the people who participated in the whole amazon thing, if we want to come off as the true level headed group/culture that we say we are, we shouldnt be stooping down to their level. it doesnt do any of us good and it just makes us a buch of hypocrites. there are more productive was to respond to things like this and mirroring what she did isnt one of them.

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    sheppy says:

    Okay, truthfully? I voted No. It’s not that I’m an unforgiving guy or that I lack the ability to pursue a high road, it’s just that such high roads are NOT available to us. If you seek the high road, it’s a road traveled alone and someone at the end of the road has every opening to shoot down your points and laugh you off as insignificant. Trust me, I’ve tried the high road.

    One movie critic once stated that, before Monster House, no animated feature has been able to express real human emotion. I wrote a thoughtful letter expressing my dissatisfaction with this attack on animation and gave many examples in this letter. I received a simple sentence reply, “I wish I cared, you nerd.” I once had a chance to talk to Roger Ebert in discussing the games as art debate during Ebertfest here in champaign to which his response was “you poor, poor idiot.” And yes, I even got a wonderful response from my local senator when Illinois attempted their antigaming laws. What was the response? A generic letter in relation to the RIAA lawsuits.

    Now, as I stated before, the high road simply does not work. You are attempting to be civilized with animals. That’s all these people are, when you get down to it. Easily lead, never free thinking. So if you cannot take the high road because you’ll be instantly discredited as a moron or a nerd, whatever choice do we have? Guerilla tactics, I’m afraid. EZK, we can talk about how the Amazon bombing was somehow inappropriate, but frankly I see nothing worse than destroying an entire shipment of heavily taxed tea.

    After she made those statements, I was furious. She never mentioned what the studies out of Maryland stated and then she went as far as to directly insult her debate partner. This was unprofessional to the highest degree. But a clearer head existed so I went to Borders to see where her professions allied themselves. I spent ~3 hours reading pop psychology so blatantly stupid and condescending towards males that it honestly made Dr. Phil look like the smartest man alive. And to top it all off, her books never touched on the subject in which she was called in as an expert. In other words, she had no clue about the game or the subject matter in which she was speaking about. In many professional circles, this IS a high crime and many people have been shunned for years and even lost their credentials for this kind of shameful behavior.

    But still, I stayed annoyed yet inactive. So she announced she “mispoke” which is a good thing, but she never apologized. She publicly attacked 120 hard working people who spent three years making Mass Effect and even disparaged her debate partner based upon an opinion that simply wasn’t hers. Yet she never apoligized, she laughed it off. Put yourself in the shoes of those people who worked very hard on Mass Effect. Imagine you’re spending a large amount of you life putting work into something and someone who claims to be a professional, who has never seen nor played your work is willing to go on TV and call your art pornography. How hurt would you be? This is someone saying they are an expert, claimed to have research, and yet never saw the game.

    But then, as stated here many times, would she have the reason to look at this if her book wasn’t being attacked? If her livelyhood (and incidently, I read the first 100 pages of that new book of hers and if you did the same, you wouldn’t be here defending her ass) was not attacked by those she attacked, would we be given the whole “should we forgive” question. And she even went as far as to say the retaliation her book on Amazon received was not fair despite her actions should be more than enough you point at her “apology” for what it was, PR.

    Now, should we as gamers continue to bear the torches and pitchforks towards Lawrence Cooper? No, actually. We can call off the attack, it worked. But should we forgive someone who hasn’t even remotely taken steps to correct the problems she caused? No. And no, this isn’t about how we should prove gamers are better than the stereotype. Hal Halpin already said those tactics were wrong. If we stand idly by and take the high road on every given turn, nothing will get better.

    If another politician drafts a law that adds taxes to video games to pay for increased costs of law enforcement, we shouldn’t simply step back and let the ESA handle it. We need to write letters and yes, even impede the progress of tactics like this by working WITH their competition come next election period. If another false expert jumps on national television to peddle her book while attacking a soft target like games with blatant misinformation, we should shove their tactics right back at them.

    Most of the time, gamers are the most easygoing fellows around. But we need to start fighting back misinformation with information. Because the way things are going, our past time will be censored and villianized long before the currect tactic of “waiting for the ignorant to die” will ever come around. I mean, you can enjoy the high road all you want, but I see the video game industry running headlong right into another travesty of censorship….

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    chadachada(123) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    But wait…does she weigh as much as a duck?

    That’s the only poll I’ve seen so far that I was honestly undecided, and voted as such, it was just too complicated. I still put Fox more at fault though

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    Thomas ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t get how you can blame her for being angry for the amazon thing.

    Wouldn’t you be angry if a bunch of people turned up a place you were trying to sell something, and started loudly insulting you because of something you said in a completely different setting? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t game… wouldn’t you be confused by someone who cared so much about a video game that they throw a tantrum about you misrepresenting it.. rather than just informing you in a sensible and mature manner?

    The amazon thing was a mass tantrum, and had no value beyond that.. yes, it may have gotten attention, but it is not the kind of attention we should want.

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    Vlox says:

    Honestly, I think it should be a rule that every single person who goes on television to criticize a video game needs to sit down and play it for five hours minimum. That’s a stretch… I know. They can’t stay on camera for more than fifteen minutes, how could they sit in place for three hundred minutes and play a video game?

    Re: Ashton – We are not on a crusade to allow video games to be X-rated and available to three-year olds, but they are on a crusade to misinform the general public into believing that is what we are doing. We may have a “holier than thou” attitude, but ours is miniscule in comparison to theirs.

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    Ashton ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I agree 100% with Grombar. Gamers are accusing her of being holier than thou, jumping to conclusions, etc., and here we are, the majority doing the EXACT SAME THING. I don’t know how that is supposed to make us look good.

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    Pierre-Olivier ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @E. Zachary Knight

    I completely agree with you. This is the reason I forgave her. I once thought of writing to her (in a civilized manner), but I’m too shy to dare do it.

    By making the statement that she misspoke (no matter as weak it was) she showed that her views aren’t completely set (unlike someone we know). So, I’m giving her a chance. If I didn’t, I’d be no different from those anti-game activist (those guys don’t give any chances to anyone whatever).

    I know and am aware that the real culprit is Fox. Sorry finaleve, but this won’t work with Fox. They would shift all the blame on Cooper and they’ll do it again using someone else. And each time they’ll do this, our reactions will be a little more aggressive until all hell break loose. Just compare our reactions with Susan Bartell and those right now.

    Like I said before, if I did trashed her book, I’d never be able to call anyone an hypocrite anymore.

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    Toxicity² ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    People should not be fucking forgiving her after her half-assed “apology”. I’d be willing to bet that if we hadn’t attacked her book on she wouldn’t have apologized.

    She ran her mouth off on a subject she had no fucking clue about. Lots of people (read: idiots) watch Faux News, so she’s helping giving videogaming a worse reputation with parents and politicians.

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    finaleve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    She fucked up, plain and simple. Dove head first into some hot water. I’m not willing to forgive her because in the end, she’s after her sales. It was more like saying “uncle”. You beat up on us, we’ll bite back.
    I’ll accept that she fucked up badly, and that she wants to make up to it, but I can’t forgive until she stops pushing her book out in our faces to score a buck or 2.

    What those who posted reviews on her site did was actually more important than anything. I mean, think about it, it sent a message. You knock something that you have no idea on, you get burned. This would make Fox and other news media out there to sensationalize anything lose support like Cooper here. We’ve technically instilled a bit of fear. It isn’t exactly a good thing, but it would back people like Fox from pushing bullshit out.

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    Thomas ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I doubt she could even go back to Fox and correct what she said if she wanted too, I highly doubt that they would allow it. I also doubt we will ever see “I’m sorry, I was entirely wrong”.. because nobody in their right mind does that when its going to lead to them suddenly loosing their job, I hate to break it to you guys, but you cannot expect someone to give up their likelihood just to satisfy a bunch of people who… if we like it or not.. they likely view as at least a bit weird for caring so much about video games.

    I find the actions of the people who book stormed her appalling.. yes, let’s lower ourselves to their level.. how about next we start accusing people who disagree with us of obscene and violent acts, so long as we get our way its okay!

    If we are ever going to combat things like this, we MUST prove that we are mature, sensible, responsible individuals in all situations. If you are about gaming enough to want to stop people blaming video games for violence and bad things in the world, stop being an offensive punk who rebels against everything… exhibit intelligence, restraint and tolerance, and maybe, just maybe, people will get the message that it is not us shooting up schools.

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    DCOW ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ EZK

    I am unsure to your comment, if you are referring to what happened at, I did not do anything there, and didn’t even know lawrence had a book until gp reported that people had stormed her book’s page.

    beyond that, I can’t forgive someone that hasn’t actually apologized yet. I’ll accept her apology when she makes one.

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    MontyPython says:

    i was one of the 37% that said no way…Shes a Witch! and what do we do with witches? BURN THEM!!!

    February 2nd, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    “I only forgive people that first admit they were wrong.
    “misspoke” is a word used by people trying to make an apology without actually making an apology.”

    (so true agree 100%)

    “At least that other guy said he was sorry. “

    He said he was sorry about saying you can change breast size(thats it) and in his radio thing he made comments that sudjested we were lieing when we told him you could not do that
    (in addition to calling us life-less losers, He did not make an apology in fact he just further insulted us,i hate the people who claim these morons said sorry when they so clearly did not)

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    DCOW ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I only forgive people that first admit they were wrong.
    “misspoke” is a word used by people trying to make an apology without actually making an apology.

    At least that other guy said he was sorry.

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    Grombar ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Blackice said:

    We didn’t forgive Hermann for going along with Adolf.

    Yeah, and how about that time Cooper Lawrence killed Jesus and kicked a puppy?

    Come on, guys. If “I regret saying that” isn’t a good enough apology for you, you’re too hard to please. Part of being a functional adult is meeting people halfway sometimes, and getting over minor insults.

    And again, Kevin McCullough had much, much worse insults for gamers, and for Mass Effect, and he was forgotten in a week. (The guy who threatened to rape his daughter notwithstanding.)

    As a community, we need to be proactive. But we also need tact and thicker skin. If we just lash out defensively en masse every time someone gets the story wrong or acts condescending, people will continue thinking we’re a bunch of overgrown kids. And they’ll be right.

    There’s nothing more to accomplish where Lawrence is concerned. It’s irrational to expect her to retract her comments on Fox News; even if she wanted to, do you really think Fox News will run a story about how wrong they were? No, of course not.

    And as for this whole mentality where it’s okay to be nasty and use dirty tactics when it’s [i]us[/i] doing it… Well, remember what Buffalo Springfield said: Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.

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    tallimar ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i voted yes for similar reasons that EZK is touting. so she didnt actually apologize, so she only ‘rescinded’ on account of her book being bashed. she has at least learned that gamers are a group that she doesnt want to mess with anymore, lets let her be, after all, she was just the puppet (what strings were pulled to make her ‘sing’ imho are irrelevant). if we continue to point our pitchforks and torches at her, we’re just going to look like the stereotypes that the anti-gamers paint us as which would completely defeat why we’re fighting against these types.

    i agree with what others have said, its time to focus our ire at fox “news”. its time for them to learn their lesson. they are the puppet masters in this show and im sure are even taking great pleasure in lawrence’s metaphorical beating. one suggestion is to use one of the advantages we have against them, truth, and awaken the uninformed to fox’s treachery and lies.

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    To be frankly honest knight, I never knew she even had a book until the later reports about it being down-voted on Amazon. I never went there to down-vote the book, nor do I intend to. I wouldn’t dare sink to her level of prejudicial statements about something I’ve never read, played or even seen, and I got to say I was somewhat disappointed that so many people took that road.

    But more to the point, I have zero reason to accept her apology, as the damage has been done. Unfortunately, media slander is not considered assault, despite the fact that it is (it probably shouldn’t carry the same sentence, but it should have some sort of punishment). Her, and so many “pop psychologists” like her give psychology a bad name, not to mention the damage they try to deal to the topic at hand.

    She confessed to her error on a newspaper. The number of people who actually read about it, we’ll never know. I don’t think we’d like the statistics of how many people read the dailies front to back. What I do know is that the number of people who watch a given show from beginning to end is fairly decent, and despite how highly regarded the internet is on fast news, I’d be willing to bet most people still get their news from TV. I think the ratio of those who read the paper after watching FOX news, in comparison to those who at least watched the broadcast is probably a slim number. That’s what is appalling to me. No apology from FOX or Cooper Lawrence on FOX to set their viewers straight.

    Can she make amends? Can we forgive her eventually? Sure, I could. It’ll take more than a PR-repairing retraction solely fueled by her plummeting Amazon rating. Do you think she would have apologized if we would have taken the high road? Think about it.

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    Ghost coins ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I didn’t vote, but I would put it squarely in the “no” category. An apology doesn’t cut it. Oops, I rammed into your car, sorry; Oops, the gun I was fooling around with went off and injured/killed someone, sorry.
    Extreme examples, sure, but they present the point on a physical level. It was, for all intents and purposes, an attack on her part. The War Crimes Council concept of “I didn’t know what I was doing, ergo I’m innocent, but sorry nonetheless” bull doesn’t cut it here.
    She had time to become informed, or she should have recineded the appearance. Hell, she said she asked a passerby what Mass Effect was, and the response was “it’s porn”. Very, very through analysis and research there. While we’re at it, let’s ask the lighting grip if the writers strike talks are going well.
    Not a matter of morales, but a matter of professional principle. Do lawyers who know absolutely nothing about their case go into a courtroom to argue for a defendant they know nothing about? Hell no, that’s akin to professional suicide.
    She wants to play the politico-game with all the pundits and hack-jobs out there, she needs to know the field. It’s her fault for not knowing what she was walking into, and an apology does not suffice.
    Now, if she does honestly feel bad about what occured, and wishes to make amends, since she is a psychologist, and this matter does affect a part of her readership, mayhaps she should get in touch with Hal Halprin, the ECA, EFF, or similar organizations and work with them to create some sort of social awareness program. Maybe in her next book, she can have a section on “playing video games with your beau”. Words mean little Mad’am, it is your actions that define you.

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    MR.B says:


    It’s not me that needs the suggestions, it’s the people that did the bookstorming. I myself had suggested many actions in response, some of the ideas I came up with are not the best ideas (example: a “vote for the worst” style attack on American Idol in the vein of the bookstorm attacks). I did not partake in the bookstorming either. I’m not the one who needs the third party advice, I can tell you that. I agree with you on the call for cool heads on this issue.

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    Legion says:

    Weak. Weak, weak post Gamepolitics. She never apologized. Not once.

    It’s time the ECA did something besides posting statements by Hal Halpin on Go after these shitheads who attack gaming.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ MR.B

    If you need a third party to tell you what to do, I am sorry.

    The only suggestions I have to counter the misconceptions of games and those who play them, is to show those who are most easily swayed by the likes of Fox News who you are and what it means to be a gamer.

    Write letters to the editor of your local paper explaining the situation. Write Cooper personally (although that is not possible as she is not accepting emails at this time).

    There is a lot that you can do. I don’t think that it is the responsibility of the ECA or myself to tell you what to do. But it is clear what you should avoid. Book storming is one of those things that should be avoided. So are attacks against the character of our opponents.

    Look at what John Bruce, Fox News and politicians do, and avoid those types of actions. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    One of the accusations against gaming is that it clouds our judgment and makes us more violent/aggressive. Don’t prove them right by your actions. Show them that we are civilized people and are willing to compromise.

    One of the advantages that we have is our commitment to our hobby and each other. We also have strong imaginations. Use those to our advantage and we can be a force not to be reckoned with.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    Academics can “misspeak”. Just last week, on my way to work, I walked into an old friend and said “hey man, good afternoon” – at 10am. That’s misspeaking.

    To render an expert opinion (and she was introduced as an expert and touts the fact that she’s ABD) on national television, that has no basis in fact, research, or even observation, is not “misspeaking”. It’s simply and clearly academic dishonesty and conduct unbecoming a doctoral candidate.

    The academic community does not “forgive”. We ask for clarification and correction as well as a supply of sources if something like this happens. She still has to come clear about the “study” she cited (shouldn’t be that hard to point people into the right direction) and she still has to apologize. Not for misspeaking, but for acting academically dishonest. And that I haven’t heard.

    As a gamer I might be able to overlook her behavior as having caused little harm. As an academic, psychologist, and researcher, I can not forgive her actions.

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    TheTrueMrJack says:

    I said no, because I thought her apology was kind of weak, and I hold grudges for a loooooooooooong time. Sometimes I’ll forget why I hold the grudge and STILL hold onto it.

    She is hot though.

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    MR.B says:


    Why don’t you and the ECA suggest another action to take instead of attacking someone’s Amazon book ratings. Hearing you and Dennis looking down on the book rating attacks and not offering another course of action make me pretty upset. If there is a higher road to take, most of the gamers will take the higher road. You guys talk about the higher road, but you never tell us what it is.

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    Matthew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    An ignorant person ventures forth into the media and pours scorn on something they have absolutely no experience of, based entirely on hearsay and possibly things they made up themselves because they wanted to get their inaccurate point across.

    Question time! Am I talking about Lawrence or any of the morons who attacked her book on Amazon now? I wonder how many of those people would be willing to say they’re sorry even if she organised her own apology to be printed in mile-high point on the moon for all eternity.

    She was stupid and launched an attack on something she didn’t know anything about, then later retracted it and *even agreed that calling Mass Effect porn was laughable*.

    It’s very hard to convince the media that gamers aren’t a bunch of obsessed nutjobs when more than a third of them are still sharpening their pitchforks and screaming for blood. You don’t necessarily have to forgive in order to make peace and move on.

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    Tristram ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I am curious how 15% more is “most”…more gamers are willing to forgive than not, but not most of us.

    As for those of you who still are screaming hatred, let us prove the anti gaming people wrong…even if we are the only ones who know it. Forgive, forget, lets move on with our lives.

    p.s. for any of us to make criticisms of her book is ridiculous. Agree or not, unless one of us also has a few degrees in the subject and spends months studying the topic, I think we should stick to what we know: that she made a false statement, and recanted that statement. She looked like a fool on national television. Now, lay off of her.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    @ MR.B

    If we consider retaliation a act not worthy of apologizing for, what is to separate us from he bigots spewing the crap about games?

    If we feel that we deserve an apology for her actions toward us, why should she not expect an apology from us for the same actions?

    The bigger man is the one known for stepping down first.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    Bloodharp ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Jason
    Shes not a newscaster, shes a psychologist. Her job is to make people feel bad about themselves then change into a more socially acceptable stereotypical a-moral person, not hand out the news. Or some im told…

    Now, ill accept her apology, but id like to point out how funny it is for her to have initially preached that the game is a tool to perpetuate a “male-ocracy” and to make women look like objects to be shaped for our own devices, when she has written books about how women can make a man do whatever she wants and how to craft a man into whatever she wants. A lil’ hypocritical, dontcha think?
    I accept your appology, Lawrence, but ive got my eye on you.

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    MR.B says:


    Although I do agree with you about forgiving her for her statements, but we should not apologize to her about the Amazon book tactic. Self-defence and retailiation is the main reason her book was attacked, not out of hatred or spite.

    We should focus on going after Fox News. Just a few hours ago the Fox News show “Cashin’ In” was having another one-sided video game debate that involves the New Mexico video game and TV tax.

    But here’s the real question, how will the ECA react to the one-sided Fox News coverage? The ECA has not sugggested any course of grassroot/netroots actions to take. All we have been told to do is sit on our hands and let the ECA handle it. All Dennis did is discourage people from attacking her books on Amazon in a article on Joystiq. Quess what, the Amazon book attacks worked. We got the numbers, but we need a solid plan to use those numbers the right way. The ball is in your court ECA, I hope you pick up the ball.

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    G-Dog says:

    I feel people are too easily forgiven in this day and age. Using this case as a benchmark I could go on TV and spew any racist, sexist, or Hitler inspired drivel I want. Then as long as I put on the puppy dog eyes and say ‘I’m sorry’, all is forgiven and you’re the bad guy for still holding a grudge.

    The only reason she came clean was because the backlash was hurting book sales. If the only response from the community would have been sent directly to her private e-mail, she would have said nothing.

    People need to be held responsible for their actions. In stead of forgiving and forgetting, I wonder what else she has said, or will say, about subjects she knows nothing about. If she is forgiven, she’s given a free pass to do the same thing over and over again.

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    E. Zachary Knight ( User Karma: 2 ) says:

    I seriously hope that all those who voted “no” reconsider that. If you went through life not forgiving anyone until they said “I’m Sorry”, you are going to have a hard time getting along with people.

    She needs to be forgiven. If she is ever to truly change her ways, we need to show that we can look the other way and show forgiveness as well. Sometimes it takes the forgiveness first before someone truly apologizes.

    But I agree that we need to turn our attention to Fox News and get them to make a retraction of their segment and apologize to Cooper for their treatment of her as a patsy.

    I also think that we should apologize for our treatment of her and her book. It is only fair.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

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    cullarn ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    im sorry but again i must quote monty python

    “we found a witch, may we burn her?”

    the simple fact is she thought she found a group she could start a witchhunt against without any fallout, shes a punk and an embarrasment to the psychological community too ill bet

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    NecroSen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I can forgive her lack of knowledge on the subject and the things she said, but only because they were obviously not her words. Her professional concerns for adolescents were skewed by the subject matter as presented to her. Of course, I will never forget how she chuckled at Geoff Keighley: that kind of derision is nigh inexcusable.

    But we should be shifting our attention here. Cooper Lawrence may have not entirely apologized, thus saving face with her readers and such, and so on ad infinitum offenses to the gamers who voted “No” to this poll. The real culprit here is Fox News. Martha MacCallum and the rest of her incompetent staff orchestrated this debacle to devastating effect, somehow laying almost all the blame squarely on Cooper Lawrence.

    I want to hear more about EA’s and the ECA’s concerns about the Live Desk program and Fox News itself. We are done with Cooper Lawrence for now: time to reload and take aim at the masterminds, I say.

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    Mr. Manguy says:

    TT: No credibility and no logic is presented in their statements. Anti-game activists simply don’t stand a chance.

    Against us gamers. People who don’t play games might be inclined to listen because they don’t know any better.

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    **Whoever is the ignorant fool that attacks the game can be anyones guess, but I’m sure we all have a good idea on who it will be. But again it doesn’t matter who it is, all of their claims are one in the same and all of their credibility levels are the same. No credibility and no logic is presented in their statements. Anti-game activists simply don’t stand a chance.

    It is either up to a generation or two dying off, unless Gamers and those who seemingly represent authority of gamers start giving a positive message to the general public. There are a good number of possibilities, such as giving money to charity, such as the one on the front page of GP or by simply joining the ECA and getting involved.

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    Terrible Tom ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    Her apology only came after angry gamers demolished her book’s amazon rating. I don’t really think she cares, I just think she is afraid of angry gamers. It didn’t impress me.

    But really I don’t think anyone should dwell on the topic for more than a few minutes. Really it doesn’t matter. This will happen again later in the year, probably in May after GTA IV has been released for a week. Maybe they will even cover it in April before it is released/as it is released. Who knows. Whoever is the ignorant fool

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    Jer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i’d rather not hold on to any hostility. It’s not good for the health.
    Yes, she admitted she was wrong without really giving a sincere apology.
    All i’ll say, i’ll forgive her when she truly ask for forgiveness.

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    Meteor says:

    Yay! I’m one of the 286 (11%)!

    But if the poll said “accept” instead of “forgive”, then my vote would go to “let’s accept her admission of being wrong”. Atleast she did that; most of the other anti-game people had there heads stuck so far up themselves that they refused to believe that they were wrong even when faced with proof which clearly showed they were.

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    Tracy says:

    I don’t think “forgive” is the right word.

    “Accept” is a better one. I accept that she didn’t know what she was talking about during her Mass Effect smear, and I accept her efforts to clear the air.

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    Cidas ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I won’t consider an apology because although this is a mistake, every time there is media coverage and someone grossly misrepresents the gaming industry it just puts us back so far.
    Considering what she had done, and how she had done it this woman does not deserve forgiveness, and neither does fox. I’m O.K. with her if she leaves videogames alone, let her do whatever it is Cooper Lawrence does. But if she decides to talk about gaming in general, or on a specific game again we must not forget about this fox fiasco and know that she cannot be taken seriously.

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    Jason says:

    I think it’s appalling that some people would want to forgive her. The fact is she went in head first without bothering to find out facts about the game AND spited someone who told her to do her research.

    She mocked all games with her holier than thou attitude and when she realized she was wrong she NEVER apologized, she brushed aside the comments and went to other channels and still hyped her pathetic book.

    This woman deserves no sympathy, obviously Fox News told her about the game but she still has an obligation to review material before speaking out about it. She’s a newscaster first and foremost, her obligation is to her viewers to inform them in the proper context. She failed to do so and still continues to not apologize for those words.

    She’ll do this again, mark my words we have not seen the last of Cooper. She may not do it towards videogames but she will again spout off a quick story only to find out it went horribly wrong. Hopefully she’ll get tossed this time.

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    Tom90deg ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Good! I think we should accept her apology, because she actually came out and admitted that she did wrong. I truly think that Fox is the one you should be mad at. Sure, She could’ve looked into it more, done the research, but this was just a straw man setup. If she said anything different, she’d probably be painted as “A Horrible Pro-PORN Psychologist” It was really lose-lose for her. I say forgive and forget, and hope that we’ve turned one person from ignorance to intelligence.

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    300baud says:

    Moreover, many gamers apparently suspect that Cooper was simply the front person while Fox News is the real culprit behind the Mass Effect smear

    Forgive her for being a shill because, after all, she’s just a shill. That’s insane.

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    Blase says:

    @ EZK

    As long as casual gamers don’t regard themselves as part of the so-called gaming community, we’re still “them” to them if you catch my drift. In my opinion we need to capitalize on all idiotic generalizations and make casual players realize that they’re being called names by clueless barbie psychologists on FOX NEWS, supposedly a news channel. Hardcore gamers can wear flowers in their hair and remain ‘the nerds’ or we can make all gaming people realize that they’re being treated unfairly too. Then a real shift in awareness can occur IMO.

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    JustChris says:

    I said this in a previous article: Cooper came clean and she’s not directly responsible. Fox just like to take people on their show and conform to their views, if they’ve not already done so. Cooper is the messenger, and we don’t shoot the messenger.

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    Tom90deg ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I agree EZK, we have to show that we’re NOT angry small minded people who hold onto grudges long after they’ve past. The best way to do that is to accept her apology, and request that Fox apologize as well.

    We’ve been focusing too much on Ms. Lawrence’s statements, she was put there so if it went bad, it would be her fault, and not the wonder paradigm of honesty and truth that is Fox News. IF you’re noticed, Fox has sat bugger all in response to this. That, in my opinion, makes Ms. Lawrence much better than them, and we should be forgiving.

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