One Million PS3 Owners Folding@Home

One Million PS3 Owners Folding@Home

February 7, 2008
Do you fold?

If you've got a PlayStation 3, perhaps you should join a million other PS3 owners who are providing vital assistance to Stanford University's research into protein folding. The efforts could lead to advances in the fight against diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Huntington's, and cystic fibrosis.

All that's required is the download of the Folding at Home software onto your Net-connected PS3. The program runs when your system is not in use. Stanford prof Vijay Pande told Next Generation:
Since partnering with SCEI, we have seen our research capabilities increase by leaps and bounds through the continued participation of Folding at home . Now we have over one million PS3 users registered for Folding at home, allowing us to address questions previously considered impossible to tackle computationally, with the goal of finding cures to some of the world’s most life-threatening diseases.

PC and Mac owners can participate as well.

Comments

I wonder... does SCEI charge groups for access to the distributed powerhouse that is the PS3 user base? If they do - and somehow I find it hard to imagine that they dont - then shouldn't people who volunteer their clock cycles be somehow compensated?
@Cheese - You can fold from any PC. http://folding.stanford.edu/
If they did it from an XBox 360, ok, I'd join. But I'm not leaving my PC on all day long.

I don't have time to read the article right now, but does the computer/PS3 have to stay on 24/7? Or can it be on during the day and turned off at night? I was wondering if companies could get in on the act.

Anyone using a PC with this? How much "intrusion" AND how much slow down from it running to you using your PC does it cause? I'm asking so I can pass on the possibility to my company, which is, in fact, in the business of clinical research anyway.

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
@Nightwing - It works much like EZK explained. In my experiences, my rigs suffer no undue lag when it's in operation. That said, I don't have Folding running on my gaming rig. In an nutshell, there's a small client that downloads a folding 'task' and your machine chugs on it when it's otherwise idle (a variable you can control). When it's finished, it uploads the results to Stanford and asks for another job.

@thebird - AFAIK, there are boatloads of folks running it on Linux platforms.

There's a decent FAQ here: http://www.hardfolding.com/index.php?go=7
i love folding!

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@ Tom

They can't ethically charge. Two reasons:

1. Folding @ home is a non profit research project.
2. It is your console, your internet connection, your time. They have no control over what you do with it.

If it was found out that they do charge the folding @ home project, they could be liable for a lawsuit, simply because they were not distributing that to the people not participating.
yeah they dont charge for it as far as i can see.
I'm sorry that's not going to make me buy a PS3.
its cute but...until its accomplished some things its nothing more than a gimmick for sony and the org running it.
@ Nightwing

I am more familiar with SETI @ home (but I still don't use either). SETI runs like a screen saver. When you are doing things on your computer, it is inactive. Once your computer goes into screensaver mode, SETI kicks in. As soon as you want to start working again, you click a buttton and it goes back to what you had open.

You can shut off your computer. SETI saved your progress and picked up where it left off next time it is run.

I imagine that Folding works the same.

@ Zippy

It can't accomplish anything, if no one is participating.
no linux?
guess they didn't make one for it yet
E. Zachary Knight
The same can be said about goverment :p
Still not PS3 interested.
SETI @ Home and other similar projects increase the power drain exponentially.
SETI? I don't want no gal dern'd aliens stealing my megaherz!
Folding@home, like all the other @home apps are grid computing apps developed by Berkely University. Yes, it works fine on Linux too. Not suprising, considering it's from the people that brought us BSD Unix.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

They should not cause lag on your machine, because they basically replace your system idle process with something more useful. Although BOINC is more demanding than your typical idle, they explain power usage here:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/EnergyUsage
Why no 360 support?
It has a larger user base, almost as much processing power, and a stronger online component. It doesn't make sense to do it on PS3, PC, and Mac only.
Almost free charity donations! . . . alot of people posting here earlier in the thread are missing the point, I think.

Leaving my PC on all day isn't something I'd want to do without buying a new cooling rig.

I own a Wii and it has a standby mode - I'm more interested in if they can port the technology over to that.
@ Dark Sovereign

Microsoft is very anal when it comes to the features on the 360. They do not allow the use of third party software on their console that is not a game and not approved by them.

Folding does not fit into their business model.

Sony on the other hand has stated that their hardware is mostly open and that the user can use a variety of software such as Linux on their PS3 with out messing with its performance as a game console.
Not to start something but MS said they would look into it way back for the 360. However, this was before the whole RROD fiasco really kicked in. I don't think they want people using their system 24/7 because they couldn't keep up with the repairs if they did. I would never run it on a 360 because of how prone they are to breaking down.
Another reason I want a PS3 ;).
I wonder if Folding is anything like Torrents. If so, my cable company Cox will probably sabotage it.
@vinzent - Nothing like it. More like a periodic FTP upload/download. It's not a constant thing by any stretch. Your machine may chug on a peice for 2 - 4 days before sending the results and receiving another peice to work on.
It also may not be wise to put it on the 360, as the few amount of PS3s running it have folded more than what is theoretically possible with all the PCs in the world.
Something with that Cell architecture allows it to fold proteins very effectively. If the 360 went against it and failed to perform better than the PS3, then it could look bad. Although, the 360 still has the better GPU.
It is pretty surprising the system can fold so well for things like that. Wouldn't surprise me if getting a few more hundred thousand users could indeed end up doing 10 years worth of research with current machines than without.

I'd register if I had a PS3, not my PC. It isn't as energy efficient as the PS3 when it goes into standby w/Folding.
cool
@ EZK: Also, the 360 has major heating issues.
@JQuality

Actually, it used to have heat issues, the new Zephyr Motherboards and 65nm processors fixed that problem. The CPUs now generate less heat, thus the fans are more than sufficient to provide cooling.

I don't think Microsoft wants to let something like this onto the 360 because of how Xbox Live connects, it might be that the 360 isn't designed to connect to other things whilst logged into Xbox Live. Hell it might not be able to log onto anything else at all, but thats a software issue and is fixable.
I think the bigger reason that they chose to bring the Folding@Home project to the PS3 is because of the processing power that the PS3 has. 8 Secondary processors (admittedly, one is disabled right now) means that there's lots of co-processing potential. I think it's neat that with as little support as the PS3 has, at the very least owning one will let you help out a good cause.
@Blade Decivre

"Helping out a good cause" is not a reason to spend $600 on a PS3.

@All

I signed up for it. I don't have any performance issues (I think I have occasional lag, but I'm not sure if that is the program or the machine). It turns out, the system just takes up the processing power that the system idle task would normally take.
@Black Patriot

I think it uses centralized downloading servers. It isn't really connected to the net, so that might be why. I also don't think that a user can upload to Xbox live, only download.
To those asking about running the F@H client on a PC, I can assure you from years of experience that it does not affect your performance. I make sure every computer in my home folds, especially those that operate 24/7. And yes, that includes a gaming machine as well as a server. Even my crappy 600MHz laptop folds.

I think it's foolish not to fold. If your computer's on, make use of those cycles. Browsing the Internet or typing a document uses practically none of your computer's processing capability. Even when gaming you'll have spare cycles. Put them to use.

It's good to hear that PS3 folding has taken off as much as it has. One million PS3 folders is really quite impressive, especially considering I don't know a single person who has one. :P
@Dark Sovereign

I never said it was, but in all fairness the PS3 fans are getting the least love this generation. If they have anything, at least they have the most useful system for research purposes.
If there was a way to write it off on my taxes I would do it.
@ Laughing Man

So because there's no immediate, tangible benefit to you it's not worth your time?

It's sad that people think that way, especially with something that takes so little effort on their part.
@ Dark Sovereign

Actually it is possible to upload to Xbox Live, albeit in a limited fashion. You can upload pictures taken via the 360 Vision Camera, voice and text messages, and a few games also feature uploadable screenshots and movies (aka PGR3 and Halo3, though those might store the actual info on the game company's web servers, not the Live servers themselves). Technically, it would be possible to route folding info through Xbox Live to a university. But like others have said, I doubt Microsoft will do it.
i read a comment in here that said folding @ home and other such programs make your computer use up way more energy...?

i have read other places that state that it is mostly the HDD and monitor wich drain the most power from a computer... also that modern hard drives are built less rugged than the pioneers and that are better left running all the time anyways wich is why these programs seem like a good idea, as long as its not really put to criminal use wich it may be, if its not open source?

but id like to stick to my point. or question rather, i didnt see anyone else comment about it so i felt i should say something...
take an imac for example the intel ones aparently dont use very much power most of wich is probably for the screen backlights, HDD and some for peripherals wich may draw power from USB ports. i could be way wrong about all this. good luck

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