ECA Issues Statement on NIU Rampage

February 15, 2008 -
niu.jpgThis just in from Entertainment Consumers Association president Hal Halpin:
We'd like to extend our condolences to the families, friends and classmates of those who were affected in the school shooting at Northern Illinois University.

Separately, we are disgusted, but no longer shocked, to find that anti-game activists are again rushing to conclusions about what drove Stephen Kazmierczak, the clearly disturbed 27-year-old who police say was responsible for this tragedy, to commit such an act.

Blaming video games for the behavior of the mentally-challenged is vile on many levels. And, as Generations X and Y mature, it is extremely likely that just about all of us have played at least one video game at some point in our lives.

Drawing a parallel between games and violence without any substantive proof is sensationalism for its own sake.  This is a sad event, made worse by the irresponsible actions of attention-seekers and the media that has given them a platform for their reckless venom.

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If my experience in other areas is any indication, the media is likely to report this as being a statement from the "violent game lobby" or some such. Likewise, they would probably take bits of the second and third paragraphs out of context, and make it sound like an admission that all psycho killers play games. Assuming they bother to report it.

Why doesn't this have the disclaimer that the other ECA related storys do?

Hopefully this press release will be picked up and reported by the major news networks.


Andrew Eisen

Glad to see there's still some good brains among the world, which includes the ECA

@Andrew Eisen

Hopefully, but not bloody likely.

Excellent statement, I love it. =)

=( I hope people will ignore the attention-seekers and get to the bottom of this school shooting phenomenon. There has to be a way to end it, blaming video games will never get you to that solution.

RIP to all lives taken during this disgusting and insane act.

Glad to see the ECA standing up against certain people before sensationalism spreads further.

Here we go with a non-Fox news, non-Johnny Bruce Thompson person.

"Violent video games, which many studies show correlate with later aggressive behavior, are easily available and are fertile training grounds for mass destruction."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23183879/

Personally I wouldn't stand on a soap box to long, can't change peoples mine whose minds don't want to be changed.

Well said, ECA. Well said.

Bravo, Hal. :)

Hear hear.

The problem is, and always will be that no one will give game proponents equal time. Because it debunks their sensationalist claims. While I applaud the statement and agree with it 100% I don't think anyone who disagrees will really care.

Very well put Hal, this kinda thing needs to get picked up by the major media and presented with a unbiased view to let everyone in this world know that all gamers, including those of us who play FPS games (I count myself in this) are not a bunch of trained killers.

Glad to see the ECA jump on to defend us gamers. I hope they sent this to every major news outlet and politician.

You go!
On a related note, the debate I mentioned in the last article started up again. This was the older mother talking to me. She was asking me what made a movie director put a sex scene in the middle of a kids movie, what had changed with society to make that acceptable. I told her I didn't understand, please give an example. She gave her experience with Ace Ventura, saying out of no where, there is a sex scene, and she had 7 and 8 year olds all asking what was going on, what were they doing. I asked what the movie was rated, PG-13. I indicated that that meant the movie was for 13 years and up, to which she replied that it had Jim Carry rescuing puppies and wearing a tutu, as if that trumpts the rating. She asked why they would put that in a children's movie. I asked if there were teenagers, say 13, there, would they be confused or asking questions. She replied, no, they probably had already seen worse. I indicated again that was why it was rated PG-13. She then went off on how the movie makers were putting anything in the movies with no limitations at all. Again, I pointed out that by definition, PG-13 WAS a limitation.

At that point she said I just was side stepping the question and could see I wasn't going to be discussing this correctly.

Personally, I've never seen the enemy this close before.

As a student at NIU I am grateful that the ECA has issued such a statement. Nice to someone reach out to those there without furthering their own agenda.

Way to go ECA. Take it to the massacre chasers and to the networks that allow those to spew their venom.

Good for them. Nice to see them exposing people like Thompson for what they really are.

I really hate Thompson, have you ever seen his track record. The man is such a damn sleeze

I talk about it a lot more on my blog for game politics

gamespeech.blogspot.com

GOD THIS MAN NEEDS TO STOP

its sad just, sad.... :(

Well said Mr Halpin, well said.

Sadly, the attention are al lthat will be seen and this press release will be seldom if ever mentioned.

Alright it's official. I'm joining the ECA. This is the sort of response we need from gamers when Thompson decides to be a disgusting human being

@ Mogbert

I don't think I have ever seen anything with Jim Carrey that could be a kids movie. By kid I mean under 10. The closest thing I can think of would be Batman forever and that just plain sucked.

Someone needs to go on Fox News and draw the very clear parallel between the decline of civilization and the rise of civil attorneys.

@Andrew: Likelihood of CNN reading from such a press release? Next-to-nothing, then again, granted the fact that they haven't given J.B. airtime.... As for FOX airing the press release? We all know damn good and well how quick they were to apologize for Mass Effect (we're still waiting). I believe enough has been said.

Anyway, it's about time the ECA got off it's hands and actually said something. Even Hal himself said that they're previous policies was to ignore J.B. in the hopes that he'd just go away.

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Glad the ECA did this, but they most likely will end up just preaching to the choir. No big news station will pick this up. As always.

I had Jack Thompson's REAL phone number once, I prank called him like crazy until he finally changed his number.

I find it great when pro-gaming organisations come across as clear, professional, and intelligent while anti-gaming activists are shouting out like they have a mental defect.

It makes me feel warm inside.

Good to see the ECA standing up and saying it, even if it will never get heard by the general public.

@Halo3Guy

Presuming what you say is true, you are a fool. Such actions do not do us any good at all, and in fact only provide extra fuel to those trying to prove that gamers are dangerous, anti social or lacking in morals. If you want to combat this stuff, do so by behaving in a mature and intelligent manner, not prank calls and cursing.

My condolences to the families of that tragic event.

@Halo3Guy... That's pointless. I have easy access to John Bruce's phone number, address, etc. Did you know that as a member of the Bar, their information is public domain? Do you see me wasting my time of life calling his office with pranks and dumb shit? No. I'm above that. Meanwhile, John Bruce may stoop to that level (with emails atleast), but I will not and refuse to do so.

Ironically, said Florida Bar website does not have a history for John Bruce in terms of disciplinary actions for the past 10 years... Additionally, they have him as "In Good Standing" and "Eligible to practice in Florida"... I see a severe problem with that.

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Papa Midnight

I find it quite horrible that people blame video games when it was clearly a mental condition. And then this leads uninformed people to believe that games are the problem, and try to find a solution to video games, as apposed to finding a solution to freely available guns and psychological problems, especially those two things together.

It's really good to see the ECA defend the Gaming industry and exposing Jack and friends as the attention seekers they are, but unfortunately this probably will fall on deaf ears and never actually be brought to attention in the public eye. But it's a good step nonetheless, it shows that they mean business.

Shit, I meant opposed. Mandatory request for an edit button.

@ mogbert

That sounds like some of my in-laws. I'm that close to the enemy every holiday.

I think ECA just rushed in this statement a little. They should have waited a little more to wait more for more accusations from "massacre chasers" like Jack Thompson or "Faux Noise".

Now everytime a madman (or a stupid kid) shots on a school, first we got a Jack Thompson accusation and then the ECA response?

Other shooters inspire shooters. Its an endless cycle of violence.

shootings*

I tell you what. If the ECA press releases start getting picked up by the major News outlets and their voice getting heard above the wankers (sorry, not censoring my language - people are shot and those that cash in on it deserve the abuse) like Jack, consider me enrolled for membership.

Unfortunately I doubt my money will be being converted into dollars across the pond any time soon.

IMHO, traditional media won't pick up ECA statements anytime soon, because they take the wind out of the sensationalism that non-video game media sources need as news.

Fast forward the clock some 10+ years from now, and things might start to change.

@ Rodrigo Ybáñez García
No, I think they were right on this one, the problem they have had in the past is IGNORING such people jumping for joy about such terrible events.

But I also don't think this is going to do much to the fact that the media is willing to accept any UN-informed, no way qualified, opinionated people giving their flawed and biased take on something when not even the cops know or give out anything about the person(s) committing such an act.

The way the ECA handled it was the best for now, they didn't act like a vulture, they didn't jump onto TV the minute such events occurred and make assumptions, and they waited for some info to get out on the individual who caused this and what their motivation might have been. It is best for them not to be so defensive in matters that are VERY likely to blow up in the opposition's face(again).

My suggestion for ECA supporters is that you take such individuals to task. While such stations probably won't listen to you or let you speak live, do call them up and question the validity/integrity of those they have featured. Bring up things like "where are you getting this info? The police have said nothing...," "Isn't this the same person who turned out to be completely wrong about another such incident?," "What makes someone a 'qualified' 'School Shooting Expert'? I haven't see such degrees offered at college...," "If you keep predicting these things, why haven't you done anything --realistically-- to stop them?," etc.

Questions like those do get to such individuals, and knocks their creditability down a notch. Another benefit of this is it will get others to question the things they hear/read from such people.

Well said! Couldn't have put it better myself.

Now to see if anyone actually notices that statement. I'd like to see it shown on the news. ANY news channel!

~Otaku-Man

@Ackbar: because I was rushing and forgot to add it, which I am now doing...

GP

@GP:

Also, ban-evader spotted in the next story down. (I assume it hasn't been lifted, though since when did that stop him?)

Good to see people here on Game Politics are able to say their bit, sadly I doubt that anyone will ever listen to us.

@TBone: I sincerely doubt that.

My name is James Collette. I live in DeKalb, Illinois right off campus. And my brother and my mother both go to Northern Illinois University. My brother goes as a student. My mother as a chef in Stevenson Dormitory. This hits very close to home for me because my brother took classes at the same building at roughly the same time the shooting occurred.

Thankfully, my mother and my brother were not harmed by the incident, but this circus that has occurred because of the incident is a travesty to myself as a gamer, an NIU graduate, and as a member of this community.

Everybody is on the bandwagon trying to say their piece of god only knows what, but the fact still remains: 15 people were shot in my town on a campus my brother and mother go to. To the media, they are a statistic. To me, they are my family. To turn this into a fiasco is an absolute injustice. This is a time to pick up the pieces and try to get some semblance of a normal life, not drag it out and put it on display for the world.

To put it in layman's terms for Jack Thomson: Have a nice cup of STFU!

I think the responsibility lies with the person who made the decision to carry out an action. Video games didn't do it, movies didn't do it, music didn't do it. Nor did they cause it or force the person into performing an involuntary action. The blame lies solely, and only, with the person who decided to do whatever violent action they have carried out.

I know this is a scary word for people like Jack Thompson, but did you know that people are responsible for their own actions? ~gasp~

Well said Hal, though I'm sure you will be sued by JT in no time flat.

Glad to see the ECA standing up for gamers on this issue.
 
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