
Anti-video game violence activist Jack Thompson appeared on (where else?) Fox News this morning and once again tried to draw a link between violent video games and a deadly school shooting. In this case, Thompson related games to yesterday's rampage at Northern Illinois University.
Although we didn't catch the segment, Thompson e-mailed his comments to
GamePolitics, attaching a screen shot from the Fox interview:
I was on the Fox News Channel this morning because of the possible violent video game connection to this latest massacre at Northern Illinois University.
In the e-mail, the embattled attorney related his violent video game crusade to his ongoing struggle with the Florida Bar:
I am certain that the past and future survivors of these incidents will not fully understand why The Florida Bar is seeking to destroy a latter-day Paul Revere... for his telling the truth about companies and lawyers that are spawning, for money, these types of events.
GP: The facts are not yet in on the NIU rampage, of course, but that has never stopped Thompson from rushing to blame video games in the past.
GamePolitics readers will certainly recall Thompson blaming the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre on games even while police were still securing the campus.
Among the few details known so far is that the shooter,
Stephen Kazmierczak, had a stellar academic record. Press reports describe him as a 27-year-old graduate student, so he was well past the age where any type of video game content restriction would come into play.
UPDATE: Fox is now reporting that Kazmierczak was not taking his medication for an unspecified condition and acting erratically in recent weeks. So, once again, a disturbed person goes on a rampage with a gun, not a video game.
UPDATE 2: GamePolitics Correspondent Andrew Eisen has pointed us to a video of Thompson's Fox appearance (below). Thompson rambles a bit, loses his train of thought midway through and even makes reference to a chapter that
didn't make it into his not so highly-regarded 2005 book, as if to say, "look, I predicted this!"
Comments
The shooter in this case was 27.
Andrew Eisen
How dare you Mr. Thompson.
OMFG he said “possible” this time! Could he it be that he doesn’t want to be made to look like an idiot the same way as during VTech?
Obviously not, because he's still claiming that VTech was caused by video games. Curse you, Sonic the Hedgehog!
What I am certain is that past and future survivors of these incidents will not fully understand why Jack Thompson lied and scapegoated something that a little if anything at all to do with those events.
If videogames was the answer to "why did this happen?" it would be pretty simple but it doesn't. It doesn't explain why these events happen every few months in the U.S. and why it doesn't happen in Canada (with the exception of the Dawson college incident) while the youth of each countries play the same videogames.
I do not or ever will understand why someone would chase these massacres and place blame on videogames instead of looking for answers.
@treydawg
Did I miss something? Since when is Microsoft the parent company of Facebook?
So the real wankers are FOX. Jack is the fuckwad in this example.
And @JT
So is what your telling me was that before Vidja Games, that were no such things as shooting in places of learnings, or war, or violence. Wow, I think we need to stop spreading those lies! The children think of the children!
/sarcasm.
I know right I hope someone takes the first few sentences from this video and makes a montage of "Jack Thompson Greatest Moments".
This was such a horrible occurrance and the reason jack went for it so quickly is to get his face back out there before a verdict is given. Jack I agree that violent video games shouldn't be sold to children and a lot of other people do to. So stop blaming people and try to spread knowledge of the rating system around to do some help.
We all need to make Jack see that he is creating a lot more harm than good.
Jazz
Might have been a troll(which I frequently assume such posts are until confirmed), but it is right in the sense Jack "Massacre Chaser" Thompson has been making such hypocritical "I'm not for censorship/I WANT IT ALL CENSORED!" comments for a while....
Look at his history, attacking music industry, attacking the TV/movie industry, radio shock jocks, and it is the same old thing with video games.
He wants actually censorship, wants all games he doesn't like banned for EVERYONE, and he tries to fool people by throwing out a "I'm not for censorship, I'm doing this to protecting the children" excuse from time to time.
And we all know how he loves to avoid or ignore the other, more likely, factors into such horrific events....
Yes you have a very good point. Although my point was I would not say he caused it. He contributes to it because of what he does. But he did not cause it. Thats all I'm saying. Cause is a very strong word here.
I'm a Christian, and I think Jack is full of it. In fact, I really wonder if Jack really even is a Christian. Sort of hard to tell from what he says and does. But as for you, your an idiot for saying that. But you wont listen because your not a Christian. *rolls eyes*
That said, Jack continues to wield (PROVEN) false information with all the grace of an oaken club. Good lucke with that Jackie.
P.S.
Whatever happened with Jack promising to subpoena George Bush? Can we chalk that up as failure # 39162?
Nice idea, but totally unrealistic and highly unlikely to happen. Besides, why would they want to bring themselves down to Jack's level of ... I mean complete lack of ethics?
Like I said before, what they did was appropriate and reasonable given the circumstances. The media can get away with such things, and there isn't anything you can do about it.... But I wouldn't really worry about it because....
Yet along with a certain "person," these "news stations" are pretty much doing damage to themselves. Forgetting the source, this would be the second time such a station has just ran with whatever they could pull out of some orifice along with a so called expert to go with it.
I'm probably not the only one who watches such stuff, only to later wonder what happened to such claims by "experts" when actual information is officially revealed. And usually it is a much more realistic explanation for why such a thing had occurred....
And other traditional media outlets, like MSNBC, are starting to question such actions and claims of those like him.
Note that within the article has a link to the video.
The link's title?
"Shootings Expert Offers Insight".
More like "Self-Proclaimed Expert, who Mentally Molests Families, Individuals, and Communities, Uses Another Tragedy to Lie to and Deecive the General Public in the Name of the Demon-Pretender-To-The-Throne-Of-Heaven That He Worships For The Purpose of Forcing His Peransl, Religious, And/Or Political Beliefs Upon Others in an Effort To Create a Theocratic Dictatorship With Him as the Grand High Poobah".
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Not this again, how many times now?
Hello, it's FOX NEWS!! This accolade is as serious as saying "I was the director of Epic Movie and Meet The Spartans and you haven't filmed any movies. That makes me better than you!"
I agree. I felt that the interviewer has an obligation to keep his guests from veering too far from the questions. Jack Thompson didn't even touch upon the age factor with the case of the NIU shooter, something that his interviewer obviously wanted to talk about. When you consider his current age, the shooter was already over the age of 17 when Counter-Strike was launched, the first time he would've played it.
But instead, his response turned to the usual circular logic of using his past theories and conclusions with Cho Seung-Hui's actions, and projecting them onto this case. And then following a shameless plug for his book, and then more talk about some violent shooting scenes that are not about NIU. I don't think he ever talked about NIU in the video clip we saw.
Thompson was just giving him a slice of his career. I would be insulted if I interviewed someone and one of my questions was responded with "look at how cool I am, and all the stuff I did". I won't care, unless I specifically asked what kind of cool things you did.
Uwe Boll has done more to destroy video games than Jack could ever dream of doing. Look what he did to Far Cry.
Am I the only one that almost spewed a drink from the unintentional hilarity and sheer egotistical nature that it took to make that comment, especially considering he meant it seriously? I was taking a sip of my milk when I read that, and I almost ended up with milk on the screen.
Also, it's almost good to see Whacky Jacky in the news again. Ever since those possible disbarment proceedings started, it's been different not seeing him yelling every time I turn around.
These two combined leads to another question: If Jack is disbarred, but still shouts just as much about video games and such, will that drive the unintentional comedy scale even higher?
And of course, Faux noise is there to give him air.
Jack Thompson's career in a nutshell. And, bonus nerd points to whoever gets the reference.
Even if there was 100 school shootings happening and the excuse every time was video games it still does not mean anything when it comes to other situations that are way more effective than video games.
But my gut tells me that yes, he probably played video games. I am NOT saying it is a cause! Just good lucking finding somebody who doesn't play video games at all these days. So JT will make sure it will have a gaming connection.
My guess, he will blame the GTAIV posters for sending him over the edge.
I don't see much data on this one anywhere.
Prayers with the families and survivors.
this is what shakespeare was talking bout ( no im not advocating violence)
No mention was made of video games.
The truth will come out, and JT will end up appearing as inane as...well...JT. Nothing else even comes close to adequately describing it.
6 dead, plus the shooter. Several others wounded.
As for this...I'm not suprised, at least this time he waited until the bodies had time to cool before spewing his bullshit all over the place.
What was it?
If there is a god, JT's constant string of lying and using tragedies to boost his own ego is a sure fire way to get to hell. Just saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTu0X8TQ2i4
Some days, I hate how fast this crap spreads.
I hope he gets into trouble for the lies he makes so us gamers would not have to deal with him starting any more trouble about video games.
What was it? "
The Bar hasn't come to a decision yet, or else GP would have posted it by now.
As for the news, well, stuff like that is what caused the phrase "massacre chaser" to be coined almost a year ago.
He's been saying such games shouldn't be sold to adults either, otherwise he wouldn't be shooting for outright bans. Actions speak louder than that rectum he calls a mouth.
Jack Thompson, never late for a train wreck car crash or school shooting to make a buck.
And I think he slipped on this one. For Vtech he was on the new before the day was over
He has just lost ALL the respect points he had gotten for seeing the Mass Effect had no porn.
Also, count the times he says "Um..." He has no clue what's going on and instantly goes into his book spiel.
BTW, whatever has become of the Florida bar case against him?
Also, I tried watching the clip, but literally couldn't make it through it. As soon as he mentioned Virginia Tech, I had to close the window.
If he thought that, he wouldn't be there.
OMFG he said "possible" this time! Could he it be that he doesn't want to be made to look like an idiot the same way as during VTech?
No, he's just gunning (pun intended) for the first amendment. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything bad about the right to bear arms. Nevermind that it's enforcement of the second amendment that's largely responsible for the VTech shooting (Cho was mentally unstable, and should not have been allowed to have a gun.)
Blah. Jack being such a disgusting human being doesn't even evoke feelings of anger in me anymore. It's just the same typical BS.
Secondly, Thompson is just absolutely batshit crazy, and people like him and Prokofy Neva simply couldn't live without this kind of fear-mongering and one-message-to-the-exclusion-of-facts outright lying. It is absolutely astounding to me that people give him airtime *at all*.
My point exactly. He loves getting air time.
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/02/14/northern-illinois-school-shoo...
And here he goes, foaming at the mouth already.
And when I herad that the first thing to pop in my brain was "And yet still its going to be blamed on violent video games."
Sadly.....I was right. :(
I don't know how this relates to Jack's self-claims of being like Paul Revere, but I thought it was interesting to note.
I really can't help but laugh at the pathetic nature of his massacre chasing though. This just reeks of desperation. An old man trying to cling to his old beliefs no matter what in direct contrast to reality.
I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't such a douchebag.
I wonder if he thought "good" when he heard about the gay teenager who was shot by someone in his class purely because he was gay?
-Bracketed portion renders this statement irrelevant
(Cooper Lawrence syndrome)
Since Jack's career in law seems to be hanging in the twilight, I believe that we should begin referring to Mr. Thompson as a Miami-Dade psychic. He how has two major references on his psychic resume (Virginia Tech, and now Northern Illinois). This obviously makes him an expert.
Unfortunately for Jack, he seems unable to comprehend that people will be questioning his expertise and asking him "hey didn't you say you were a lawyer last month" after the Florida Bar revokes his bar license.
@Jon Kanders
Yes, you could probably set your watch to it.
Works out great for everyone else, because it means he's devoting less time to actually trying to defend his legal career. Not that it actually matters, but he continues to pile **** on a mountain of ****.
Fun Fact: Paul Revere did almost jack squat for his country. He only rode about 20 miles or so, while another guy rode over 300 miles. The only reason the poet used his name is because it sounded better.
For one, they thought that too much was being allowed in the name of the first amendment. I asked where the parents were. They said I was doging the question, since parents can't control their children 24/7. I asked where the HiDef TV and video game console were. They went and said that some parents were bad parents, so the children could still get a hold of these violent games. I countered with asking how much free speech they thought the government should censor in order to remove the choice from both bad parents and good parents so that society would be safe. About this point, the other people in my group felt that work needed to get done again.
I skipped a lot of the arguments and counter arguments, but I brought up parenting, first amendment, the ratings system, theapudic release visavis a punching bag. It helps that I was a suitable counter to a lot of their points. I have seen pornography when I was young, but have only ever had one partner (who I am married to), and that I was the one always getting picked on and beaten up, and even though I had access to a gun, and was proficient with a bow and arrow, sling shot and throwing knives (I grew up in the country) I only ever got in one fight, in which I was cornered.
They wanted to argue that you couldn't believe statistics and facts because they differ from what they see in the ghettos of the city I live in and what Faux News tells them.
I never noticed before, but I'm in an office of sheep. They feel the government should raise their children and that the first amendment should be weakend. I have never felt more alone.
"larouche is acting stupid as well"
It's a pleonasm :D
Police found 48 shell casings and six shotgun shells at the scene. He killed 6, including himself, and injured 16 more.
If he was a video game-trained killer, then by Jack's logic, 54 people should be dead, all shot in the face...
I also should have known better than to think he’d have the sense to stay quiet when his license is in order. But to compare himself to Paul Revere is extremely galling. It really does speak to his martyrdom complex, doesn’t it?
Hopefully Judge Tunis will take this into consideration when she makes her final ruling.
You shouldn't be surprised, Faux Noise'll give any idiot with functioning vocal cords airtime, whether they know jack s*** about anything or not (usually leaning toward 'not')
@Mazinger-Z:
It probably hasn't happened yet (and can't come soon enough, apparently.)
@mogbert:
What do you think? When has he ever gone after "not videogames"?
I love how Fox News brings Thompson on their network just weeks after the Mass Effect incident.
Be sure to drive slow, so he stays interested in the chase, but not so slow that he can catch you. If he begins to show signs of fatigue, stick your head out the window and yell; "THE 12 YEAR OLD BOY IN THE BACK WAS INJURED WHILE PURCHASING GRAND THEFT AUTO FROM BEST BUY WITHOUT HIS PARENTS' CONSENT!!!". That will perk him right up. Hell, I bet the man could five marathons with that sort of incentive.
Wise decision. They don't exist.
Andrew Eisen
Hell, Doom keeps coming up as a prime example for game censorship.
The train is late because it derailed
And I believe Chris Titus said it best.
"Be normal, and the crowd will accept you. Be deranged, and they will make you their leader." And he certainly was made a leader in his own mind.
I've said ti befor,e self importance isn't the same as actually being important.
Bull-fucking-shit! The only thing Jack loves more than the spotlight is linking real life tragedy to fictional video game violence. It gets him hard as a rock.
But why should we bother complaining at this point. Look, he's STILL saying Cho trained on Counter-Strike despite the overwhelming PROOF to the contrary. Some people are just lost causes, and Jack is one of them.
The nads on this guy.
Is there anyone with more misplaced arrogance than the world's premiere massacre chaser Jack Thompson?
So is Fox really that stupid, or do they care so much about ratings that they willingly bring on someone that Fox knows will misinform Fox viewers. Just because .....I'm guessing for controversy that will raise ratings.
Why bring on Jack Thompson then. Why not bring on Paris Hilton, or anyone who whose voiced opinion on a serious matter would make headlines.
Didn't you know? If he waits for the facts, he has to at least pretend to go by them. If he makes up the facts first, then anything contradicting him is part of the game industry experience. Note how he still claims that Cho played Counterstrike, and there were all those times he yelled at the police because they couldn't find the video games he "knew" where there.
Not a surprise.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised he's not getting involved in the CA school shooting that left a 15 year old brain dead.
Oh, wait, that was a possible hate crime. Which could, if pushed with similar ignorance as John Bruce's, be linked to religious bigotry. Nah, he doesn't want to risk a demand to search the home and computer of the shooter for religious propaganda based on bigotry. Might lead someone to demand legislative efforts to "Protect The Children!" from bigotry and hate being taught by religious organizations. Based on his own beliefs (as seen in numerous situations, including video games such as Bully and his so-called debate on gay marriage as well as his battle with Norm Kent), he really wouldn't want THAT to start happening, huh?
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I know it isn't. It tends to follow "Just because you're necessary doesn't mean you're important"
Because the other video game experts know better and probably refused right away. And most likely they have better things to do than JT who seem to have plenty of time to spread misinformation.
possible links between school shootings have been uncovered by dynamic laywer jack thompson, studies show that most school shooting are carried out by carbon based life forms, a significant contributing facotr as 100% of cases show this pattern.
It is high time we banned carbon from the periodic table to protect our children.
Jack you are an idiot.
At least he was anointed a 'video game expert'.
As for Fox News, they aren't a news source. They're a medium for mass manipulation, an arm of the Republican party. I honestly believe it's misleading for them to even refer to themselves as "Fox News." They don't distribute news. They distribute "opinion" in exchange for compensation from conservatives.
Jack Thompson is a soon-to-be-disbarred attorney, grasping for any piece of publicity he can get, and he appeared on a "news" outlet that has less credibility than The Onion. I really don't see why anyone cares. There are more important things to be worried about than a has-been spouting lies on a fake news station.
I thought the reason we weren't on Fox news was because we're all well adjusted folks who don't go conclusion hopping and wait for more information. So yeah, hooah to you, sir. Me, I'll be waiting for the facts.
Just like Cooper Lawrence! Hooah!
Yay.
Cooper Lawrence was also on Fox News, and that didn't stop her from being completely wrong and misinformed now did it?
Anyone else said "fuck you" out loud when you heard that?
Oh and...
@ Chris
Make that into a law. It has a very, very good chance to be passed since it says "protect our children"
(1) I don't mentally molest the families, individuals, and communities that suffer such tragedies just push my personal, religious, and/or political beliefs.
(2) Like leads to like. FOX News advocates lying to and deceiving it's audience, even having won a law suit to defend the right to do so. And that Demon-Pretender-To-The-Throne-Of-Heaven that you worship advocates lying and deceiving to force your personal, religious, and/or political beliefs upon others. So, no, it's not a surprise.
And even if that poster wasn't the real John Bruce, these facts remain true.
Nightwng2000
NW2K software
People who have this particular issue, especially those with schizophrenia, often stop taking their meds for what is, in their minds, a legitimate issue. They start to think that since they're better they don't have to take the meds anymore. This leads to a rather vicious cycle of ups and downs and wildly erratic behaviour.
"Simulaters, also called video games" WHAT THE F!@@$)!%$!#)@502
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Fox News+Jack Thompson=Very Very bad for Video games
I can't stand Thompson, I have a headache now and trying to interpret his bull into english takes to much strain...
Could I also point out that these killings were all done with guns. I don't propose we repeal the second amendment.
IF, and that's a big if, this person was influenced by video games, would you say he wouldn't have committed this crime if he hadn't played video games, yet still went off his medication and was in posession of the guns?
How many of these incidents has happened in the last 10 years? How many casulties of campus and school shooting have their been? Now, how many people died in drunk driving accidents? Wouldn't you be better off fighting the Alcohol Industry to bring back the prohabition?
What percentage of the adult population will commit crimes BECAUSE they played a video game? Do you feel justified in stopping mentally stable adults from enjoying the medium since it MAY effect a minescule percentage of the population? Would that not also follow a ban of peanut products since they are harmful to a small percentage of the population?
What is your ideal outcome, your end game? If a judge said to you, 'You win, what do you want?', what would you ask for? Do you want all violent video games banned? Do you want stricter laws regarding the selling of these games? Given the option that whatever you asked for, no matter how outlandish would be granted, what would you ask for them to do? At that point, what would define a violent video game? PETA doesn't like Mario jumping on turtles, teaches kids that it's cool to kill animals. Same goes for Big Buck Hunter. Athiests may feel that Veggie Tales isn't right for children. Who makes the call? Police Trainer (it's an arcade game) has you shooting human shaped targets for high scores. Grand Turismo teaches unsafe driving habits and lack of responsibility when you crash.
I'm asking these questions to understand better.
Maybe I’m crazy. But I thought there was more wars and killings, or at least the same amount before video games,computer, or tv was around. Heck even before guns where around. Jack needs to shutup. He's part of the problem, the problem being no one taking responsibility for what they do. THE VIDEO GAMES MADE ME KILL THEM!
Freaking idiot.
2) if he isn't, he needs to be.
2.1) if he is, the JT copycat also needs to be.
do you watch glen beck FlashnFuse?
Ow! My Brain!
@Thompson: Tell me to my face, someone who was on campus, along with those in that auditorium and the families of the victims that video games were the cause. Crusader my ass your just like the rest of the news media you don't give a shit about those who were injured or died. You don't care about how students like me were scared and desperatley trying to contact our families'. You don't care that some of those shot had to be airlifted all the way to Rockford for treatment.
I can say this Thompson because I along with 25,000 others was at NIU. I can guarantee you this nobody at the time thought that video games caused it
If you go to NIU to further your cause I will be there with every one else I can get to help me to make sure it goes nowhere.
@Everyone else
Anybody got his contact information? If so I plan to forward it and this story to every student currently enrolled at NIU.
And last time I check, Fox News doesn't put experts on their show. They put on anyone with something controversial. We know that Fox news is extremely bias towards video games (and democrats).
No Thompson. Here’s what the Washington Post reported:
“Several Korean youths who knew Cho Seung Hui from his high school days said he was a fan of violent video games, particularly Counterstrike, a hugely popular online game published by Microsoft, in which players join terrorism or counterterrorism groups and try to shoot each other using all types of guns.”
Oh, and you might want to spell-check your username.
Andrew Eisen
I can't believe there are so many people lapping up this crap.
Of course, they are the type that watches Faux News in the first place, and are already lost completely.
Fox News is giving air time to someone who can't even spell his own job right ... Shame, shame...
Right now, let's think a bit more about the victims and less about those who are simply a waste of time.
Just how close to the actual shooting were you when it transpired? Seriously, thats frightening if one of the readers here was that close. Also, how can I contact you regarding your query?
ps. not saying family guy is trashy, but it's funny to equate thompson with that show.
Then we will assure him that, as soon as you've burned down every church, mosque, and synagogue - and have sued every publisher until they cease printing the bible and the Koran - THEN, and only then, will we put down our controllers.
Like a few thousand others I was on the other side of campus but less than a ten minute walk away.
If anyone does have Thompsons' contact information please feel free to e-mail it to me at [edited]
EZK: You don't need it.
it's the simple fact that videogames have not been found to cause this problem, but jack thompson just loves skewing the research.
Hey, maybe I'm just nitpicking, but come on. How do you expect us to take you *cough* seriously *cough* when you can't even spell what you supposedly do correctly?
Given that no gaming link has been shown in this case, the quick jump to blame games is reprehensible. In fact, even if Kazmierczak was a gamer, the fact that he required medication and did not take that medicine should be more than sufficient to make this case an outlier, and not the result of the games (if games can even influence behavior).
the way the media portrays constantly needs to move past the stereotypes they are so fond of.
*side note*
EA should really sue Fox for slander over the Mass Effect story. Make an example that spreading lies on national television about games is not ok.
Fox News: Us too.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Blago is now an additional target of my little project.
[/headdesk]
Let me join you, together on 3. 1.2.3 [/headdesk]
So you admit that some people are just messed up in the head.
In the same breath, you want us to censor ALL MEDIA that could be copy-catted just so the mentally ill don't have something to mimic?
Who is to say that they won't just go on a random shooting spree anyhow?
You have said before that you just want to keep violent games out of the hands of kids - this man, messed up as he was, was 27 years old. Not a kid.
Problem is, you have to shoot people to make it appear.
Maybe Faux News won't notice.
Did he really say that? Exact quote please since I’m guessing his post was almost immediately deleted. If that’s true, then he’s pretty much admitted that’s what he wants all along. I never thought that’d be his ultimate goal, but there you are.
Genius, man. Just pure fucking genius.
It is my personal opinion that Jack Thompson will never be satisfied until Video Games gets its own Hayes Code. For those not familiar with this term, The Hayes Code or the Production Code was that thing that forced Hollywood to control the content of Movies from the 1930's to the 1960's. In short, that code stipulated that anything that was deemed inappropriate could not be put into movies, which included among other things, graphic violence, vulgar language and any physical expression of affection. This was the thing that created the Dick Van Dyke Showism of a couple sleeping in separate beds onscreen.
A Code like that for Video Games would give JT, A what he wants: No Violent Games. But a code like that would also give precedent for what all gamers want: The admission that Video Games are Art. Combine that with the fact that both the Hayes Code and the Comicbook Code followed the same pattern: People follow it for a while, then get bored/sick of it and either Abolish it(Hayes) or ignore it outright (Comic code). A Video Game would follow that same pattern (And Foreign game developers would still make violent games) so even if JT, A got what he wanted, We'd still win.
http://justicebuilding.blogspot.com/
Feel free to call out and mock him there too.
How could a family possibly understand his Paul Revere BS when he's using their dead as a horse and pony show to further his own agenda? Personally, if I was on that end, I'd be looking for every trick in the book to ensure that Mr. Thompson could never voice the name of a related victim. My sympathies to those who lost a loved one, and I hope that the result from the investigations is a positive change, least we fall into a morass of blame and BS Mr. Thompson do desperately wants.
Feel free to call out and mock him there too.
I would recommend people do NOT do that.
Looks like the legal community is already doing a good job of it(telling him to get a blog, asking where the heck he gets all the time for this and press-releases, his stupid bar hearing"tactics," etc), last we need is some more immature comments reflecting badly on us gamers.
Lets leave it to the professionals and Jack to dig his own grave on that site.
This dude makes me Angry.
Just think of all the crazy people out there who hear him blaming video games who might think they can get away with murder if only they play the games-made-me-do-it card. He's practically telling them it's okay to kill people because it's the games' fault, not theirs. And by repeatedly bringing up previous shooters, he's pretty much ensuring future psychos that they can be (in)famous too.
So, yea, if he thinks it's okay to censor games because they might inspire some nutjob to shoot someone, then he should have no problem being censored himself for the same reason. Think of the children!1!11
if he can predict that can he predict the next president?
Please be civil to ol' JT... And if he starts with the legal threats again, he'll once again be a non-presence.
Thompson, I've been playing video games since the days of the Commodore 64, I am a terrible shot with a rifle, much less a pistol, and can't even handle raw meat without feeing sick.
Also, the Washington post retracted that statement and apologized as it was false. Deny it all you want. And yes people have detached, on numerous occasions, video games from those events.
Like I said, keep denying it, it won't make you right.
Bravo, Mr. Sessler. BRAVO. And Bravo to you, too, JACK-ie Chan (note the references), for another STELLAR (sarcasm, duh) performance.
Actually, I'm not on Fox news because I don't puff myself up to look important, and I don't WANT to be on any "news" network that would have a liar like you on their cameras.
And you do realize they ONLY have you on to grab them a few more ratings, not because they respect you or think you're right.
And, WE don't know what we're talking about? Name the last five video games you sat down and played, with your family or otherwise, not banned or talked about, just played.
Hi. I'm the one who you told to kill himself. Just to let you know, I'm doing fantastic as ever and I have long since ignored your advice.
In any case, I have yet to hear anything in terms of gamers who play violent games and end up shooting up schools. In fact, no such connection was ever truly established. I've played games that would make Halo look like a Saturday morning cartoon and yet I have never held the desire to shoot up a school or rampage through the streets. But really I have one thing.
How dare you abuse your power of attorney and faith in God to slander a medium you have no right commenting on, and how dare you use a tragedy like a school shooting to advance your personal agenda.
Also, Thompson, a very good point was made on our forums.
You DIDN'T predict Columbine. I'll repeat it. You DID NOT predict Columbine.
If you had, you would have said where it was taking place and tried to stop it. And if you had, then you kept silent so it would still happen and you could ash in on it.
Honestly, my own father is a litigator, and he's actually been reading about Jack Thompson. He calls him, in his own words, "a dingbat" and "seriously disturbed".
By that logic I can make this statement
It is precisely because there are dangerous people out there that we should not be dispersing knives into the general population which the killers can use to stab and murder. (sad to say though, that certain parts of Britain are using this logic).
Or even.
Gangster movies, and documentaries on sucessful criminals or unsolved murders should not be distributed to the general public because a crazy individual could study those tapes and use them to formulate his plan.
And finally
Paintball guns can be used to train murder sprees by insane people etc.
The thing is though that the vast majority of the population aren't insane individuals and only a few people can't handle violent video games (and that's assuming they were influenced by violent games in the first place).
"Hey, there was a reason I was on Fox and none of you knuckleheads were: I know what I’m talking about and you all don’t. Hooah!"
You claim to be an expert, we don't. You seek attention, we don't. That's why.
Oh and if we want to boast about being on a biased news source, Bogost (I think) was on the Colbert Report, you were not (Sorry couldn't help it).
Oh and everyone criticizing Jack over the typo; please be quiet as the number of times people have requested an edit button has just recently passed 5000.
"Why am I not surprised?!?!"
The question is, why would anyone who knows and hates JT be surprised?
Be civil, people. I kid you not.
-GP
@kurisu7885
Was it my post that you mentioned?
"Nope, it is I. Actually, Cho trained on Counterstrike, as the Washington Post reported. You all can try to repeal that fact, but you can’t. Nobody has even TRIED to disconnect violent games from Columbine, Erfurt, Red Lake, Ft. Myers, and about 40 other school shootings.
I’m right, you’re not, and that ’s why Fox continues to call on my expertise. Hooah! "
Fox also called on the expertise of cooper lawrence, and we all know how that ended up? don't we?
Mr. Thompson, I have a question for you. Do guns kill people...or do people kill people?
I'm going to assume your not to crazy, so you would probably say people kill people, not guns. After all I don't think any of us have seen a gun get up and walk and pull the trigger its self. And it would be crazy to blame the gun for anything at all during a shooting. After all, the gun can't do anything.
That leads me to my next question.
Do video games kill people, or do people kill people?
"What did this Chrislovespills guy said before he was banned?"
Good question.
"What did this Chrislovespills guy said before he was banned?"
Good question.
GP: Wasn't a death threat, it was something about bitch-slapping. Either way, we are just NOT going to have it on here.
Likely, and it is true, he didn't predict Columbine because if he did he would have been more specific, and if he did it was basically a cover up
If it was a cover up, I'll bet five bucks it took one heck of a lot of self-restraint to NOT get on the news and say "up yours, b**ches! I KNEW this was gonna happen!" and random B.S.
first, how's that jackandgoliath.com website coming? You know, the one you said you were working on, what a year and a half ago?
Second, let's say that yes, this guy was playing GTA and Counter-Strike 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Why do you care? What does this crime have to do with your crusade against selling and marketing violent games to minors? You have said time and time again that you don't want to ban these games only ban the sale of them to minors. This guy was 27. The first GTA game came out in 1998 when he was 17. Are you saying that playing these games (and the first GTA, not even your much hated GTA3) for a year, when you are 17 will drive you crazy a decade later? It seems like either that or you do want to ban the sale of these games to people over 18.
Surely thou truly art a son of Levi and the brother of Moses for those words, for none shalt findeth words more true than they!
1.) Why did'nt you publise or discuss your apearance on the Headline News segment in witch you debated with N'Gai Croal about the release of Manhunt 2? This was a few days before the Moral Kombat discussion panel that N'Gai Croal moderated.
2.) What do you really think about think about how Cooper Lawence's last minute research? Also, what do you think about that aneroxia expert's last minute research that one day(refering to your appearance on "Mike and Juliet" about the Halo 3 in church)? I know you alredy responded to the whole Cooper thing on Kotaku, but you were on Fox News a couple of times today and I want your opinon on how Fox News (and Mike and Juliet) policy on giving people very little information about topics they know little about.
even news media report police chases, gun fires more often between the hours kids are going home from shcool.
Concerning his vendetta's involvement in Manhunt 2, I heard he sent a letter to Wendy's, that fast-food place, because their Kids' Meals were going to have Wii toys inside. I mean, honestly! Why do that, when it's for KIDS!!! KIDS, Mr. Thompson!
"Actually, Cho trained on Counterstrike, as the Washington Post reported. You all can try to repeal that fact,"
We don't have to repeal that fact, the Washington Post already repealed it. And I see you still haven't read the Virginia Tech report, or you wouldn't be as ill informed on VT and Cho as you obviously are.
"Nobody has even TRIED to disconnect violent games from Columbine, Erfurt, Red Lake, Ft. Myers, and about 40 other school shootings."
You don't have to disconnect something that is not connected. The reasons why these tragedies happen are MUCH more complex than you try to boil them down to. Of course the failures of the psychological medical field in this country won't line your wallet like a "soft target" as the video game indsustry now will it?
"I’m right, you’re not, and that ’s why Fox continues to call on my expertise. Hooah!"
What is your opinion court case in which Fox News won that grants them the right to lie to their viewers?
I knew this already. The reason why I asked why he did'nt publise his TV apearance because it is highly odd for him NOT to post his TV apearances on game politics.
Of course you predicted Columbine, you CAUSED Columbine.
Ah, my apologies. Either way, you do have a point.
I don't think jt will be posting here anymore to day lol
But I think its a little to much to say he caused columbine, unless I'm missing something.
Not at all. He is trying to give everyone an easy fix by attacking a soft target. While everyone's attention is misdirected by Jack and his ilk, more children and young adults are slipping through the cracks. People are suffering and Jack is focusing on fucking video games. Jack has blood on his hands.
More like The Boy Who Cried Wolf, except without the wolf.
You have time and time again boasted about you showing up on Fox tv.
You have time and time again boasted about that being a success for you, and proof that you have a point (which you do not).
Yet you fail to realise.. Fox also did the Mass Effect tripe. And guess what, SHE didn't know shit of what she was talking about either.
And not just her. In fact, looking back, Fox has failed practically every time in getting QUALIFIED, objective experts onto their show. So they have to pander to agenda-pushing mongrels like you.
At least the girl who did the Mass Effect Fuckup realised she was WRONG!
Sincerely
The airsoft-gun experienced, doom-playing splatter-game veteran Jes, who has yet to actually physically attack and hurt someone IRL, much less WANT TO!
PS.
"Hei Gaize, I prediktud Kolombein 2!!! I zed a shuutin vuld take plaez zumvear, i wuz ritt den zo naow i muzd b alwaiz ritt!!!"
lolz
It's amazing all the things he has been told over and over again, the things which have been found by investigations that he chooses to ignore. The way in which he is able to cherry-pick which information is applicable is amazing.
Cho played Sonic the Hedgehog when younger, not Counterstrike.
You CANNOT become more proficient at firing a gun with a mouse + keyboard/controller. It takes experience and training with firing a real one, as all of the school shooters had.
The "brain scans from Harvard" he loves to trot out are correlational information. For all we know, playing basketball or the guitar produces the same brain activity.
To agree with his initial statement, I wish he wasn't there either. I'm sure many of the injured victims and families of victims are just as disgusted as I am that this tragedy is being mined for air-time and a book plug by a has been attorney.
That PostScript was beautiful. Now, don't get me wrong, that was a mere compliment. LOL
Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I personally want to see these "brain scans from Harvard" he keeps railing on about. Anyone want to ask him? I have his e-mail on hand, and I'm not afraid to dish it out to anyone who ONLY wants to ask for the scans.
I can't believe I actually believed you learned logic following your comments on Mass Effect.
Frankly, I'm still just hearing that this shooting has happened! I'm all, "Wait, WHAT?!" and before I know it, BOOM! Video games are blamed.
At this point though, I now notice that Fox News is frankly a piece of crap news channel. JT getting on there... no big surprise.
Also no big deal really. They let just about anyone on that channel now. All they gotta do is raise their hand!
Not to mention that Fox News is admittedly biased towards the news. Anyone with half a brain can see that.
Also, to the guy working with those 45-50 year old with heads up their butt? Kick their ass and take them to the court! Show them that their thinking leads to totalitarianism. The old farts!
Anyway, I got no words for JT except for this:
If you REALLY are an expert, then I want to see you on CNN News. Go on, I dare yah!
I DARE Jack Thompson to get on CNN News coverage for this story.
~Otaku-Man
Here's a quote that best describes you, Faux News, and the rest of the mainstream media, from a deleted scene from the school shooting episode of the TV show One Tree Hill, by Brooke Davis(played by Sophia Bush) after a news reporter asked her how she was feeling while the standoff was still going on:
“You should be ashamed of yourself. There are kids inside our school fearing for their lives right now, terrified that someone’s going to put a gun in their face and pull the trigger, and you want to know how I’m feeling?! Our pain is not a commodity for you, it’s not a newsbite to boost your ratings, because tomorrow, or the next day, or the next week when we go back to school, changed forever by a day that will never leave us, where are you going to be? At the next tragedy, thrusting your microphone in the face of the next fractured person, asking them how they feel? Lady, that is not journalism. You are not contributing anything to society. You’re buzzards circling the carnage, but you prey on the living. That is how I’m feeling, but something tells me that you’re not going to hear that.”
Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.
Actually, that one won't work. It's really over 9 MILLION.
Jack, Jack, Jack... *sigh*
He'snot even a has been. He's a never was.
We should really start blasting Faux News by telling their sponsors (e.g. Coke, Pepsi, Ford, etc) how we feel about Faux's conduct.
Please tell me you are not going to follow in Pnadralisk's footsteps.
He should be, yes. But I think we all know whether or not he genuinely is. (Hint: all signs point to 'no'.)
Why do we continue this person attention and let him speak on here? If he is banned he should stay banned. Iif not then let him have free reign on here to post his lunatic assessments and bash gamers at will. Also if you let him back you should unban all of the other posters you kicked. If he is allowed to ridicule and berate gamers, they should be able to dish it back.
He must be looking for a home since the Justice Blogs stripped him of posting his insane filings 24/7.
Hmm. A "modern day Paul Revere?" I think not.
A modern day Joseph McCarthy is a more suitable title.
I really can't say anything because Jack's actions are now just so predictable. I don't even have to watch that clip to know what he's going to say. Though I am curious to see which game he's aiming at now. V-Tech was Counter-Strike, whats the NIU shootings' game of choice?
Kinda unrelated, but if Jack was a VG character... he would make an exceptional Count Vegar (Jak 3)
“Nobody has even TRIED to disconnect violent games from Columbine, Erfurt, Red Lake, Ft. Myers, and about 40 other school shootings.”
Jack is the cause of Columbine, Erfurt, Red Lake, Ft. Myers, and about 40 other school shootings. Because nobody has even tried to disconnect him from them.
“Actually, Cho trained on Counterstrike, as the Washington Post reported. You all can try to repeal that fact,”
Jack is personally responcible for all school shootings you can try to repeal this fact, but your wrong. some site posted the info but I dont have to give a source or see if they repealed it because once it was writen it became a unrepealible fact.
“I’m right, you’re not, and that ’s why Fox continues to call on my expertise. Hooah!”
If I go on public brodcasting (tv) anything I say is true.
@Paulrus:
hmm jack as a vg character? how about Doctor Aiden Krone (TimeShift) or Prince Arthas Menethil (WarCraft 3)
anyone else want to guess what vg character is like jack?
This comment would be comedy gold if it didn't come on the back of such a tragic incident.
Maybe we need a new phrase to encompass Jack's lack of scruples and caution? Not Ambulance chaser... campus shootings chaser perhaps?
Gift.
" TO fox news.
We, the Esa, representing the publishers and distributors of Digitial entertianment software worldwide, Demand from fox news the Following.
1. An immediate apology for placing Jack THompson, a Lawyer known for and currently under investigation by the florida bar for multiple ethics violations in cases he has brought against video game publishers for the sole purpose of furthering a personal vendetta. Since no game industry or other offical was allowed counterpoint, Fox new will be held responsible for any inacuracies he has spoken that are brought to light in the near future. If no apology is given and the industry not offered a chance for counter point, Fox news will face Legal ACTION.
2. If the subject of video games is brought up AT ALL in regards to this shooting, the INdustry will be given equal time to debunk the falsehood fox has spread about this industry, as was seen in Mass Effect debacle that recently occured.
If these demands are not met withing 48 hours, then the industry will Seek imediate legal action against FOX news for allowing a man currently under ethics investigation to speak without counterpoint about a subject he has been proven to lie and slander about on a regular basis. "
THats what they should do, not statements, not vauge promises. Solid legal Threats.
hmmmm.... that could make an interesting headline... "Failed Lawyer turns (openly) psychotic at gamers".
"Actually, Cho trained on Counterstrike, as the Washington Post reported."
Just because the Washington Post initially said it, doesn't mean that it is true. As Fox News have proven, You cannot trust everything you read and hear.
"You all can try to repeal that fact, but you can’t."
I believe that the Washington Post DID repeal that fact; we don't have to do it for them.
"Nobody has even TRIED to disconnect violent games from Columbine, Erfurt, Red Lake, Ft. Myers, and about 40 other school shootings."
Columbine there might have been a casual link. I would like you to name 40 other school shootings where games have been even hinted at. I'm willing to bet you cannot.
"I’m right, you’re not, and that ’s why Fox continues to call on my expertise. Hooah!"
Just like their other so-called experts like Cooper Lawrence? Must have been a pleasant change for them to not have to tell one of their experts what to say in order to create controversy.
my thoughts are NOT with the politicians and lawyers and family groups who will try to exploit this to their anti-gaming advantage.
Yes, the standard "NANANANANAA I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I WAS ON TV, YOU ARE WRONG! LALALALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU OR MR. REALITY LALALLAALLA!"
Now that I think of it, this is a good thing. Here we have him publicly making such statements & claims, which gives us something to bring up the next time such a thing happens.
Remember when Jack "Anonymous Coward" Thompson would harass police officials about supporting his agenda? Remember those times he ended up being totally wrong? With such appearances on things like national TV, IRL he sure can't easily get away with or dismiss such stuff....
I'm for Jack publicly ruining his reputation even more.
Fox news wanting you on tv isn't a good thing....... I personally would be ashamed if fox news ever wanted me on their show.
the simple fact that no one has tried debunking videogames in other shootings is only true because they were proven to not involve games from the get-go.
that's why not a single judge has ever ruled your way in a case against companies like T2 or R*
And what the hell? "Campus Shooting Expert"!? Has the "expert" become such a bastardized word that just be slapped on like a temporary tattoo? I might as well put "Oxygen Consuming Expert" on my resume, might be able to land me a decent job.
Wait...
WHAT?????
>:(
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
People are protesting a candle vigil for the victims? Wow, is there a link to that?
"do you watch glen beck FlashnFuse?"
Nope
I figured after getting sued (and loosing the case at that) last year, they would've learned to back off. JT, WBC, these people really are diseased.
Wow, Britney Spears must be an absolute GENIUS since she gets on TV so much!!!
You're on TV because you're a blowhard. It doesn't matter what you're saying or whether you're right or wrong. (You ARE wrong, by the way) You're making noise. Networks like noise. It's called business, they're not putting you on the air because you're 'smart.' They're putting you on because the monkey jumps around when you put a banana in his hand. Nobody likes monkeys who just sit there.
@ Waffles
Oh, don't even get me STARTED on WBC... those guys who equate funerals to 'worshipping the dead' tick me off to no end. I get angry enough when Jehova's Witnesses (or whatever the crap that is) knock at my door. That actually happened this past Wednesday after a big snowstorm.
Those brainwashed WBC-ers need to pick up a thesarus and learn the difference between the words 'respect' and 'worship.'
Heck, even Alan friggin' Colmes has more fight in him than the talking head that interviewed Jacko in that youtube clip.
I would say it is more like....
“I'm Uwe Boll, and you haven’t filmed any movies. That makes me better than you!”
But I'm not worried. No one with as much hatred at Fred Phelps could possibly enter the kingdom of heaven. He better take some SPF 1million with him when he passes on.
While reading through these comments, a question came to mind.
What if Wacky Jacky were on our side?
Protecting the rights of gamers and video games and the freedoms of the UNITED STATES OF AMURRICAA!
Then, I slapped myself and told myself not to act like a dumbass.
It'll never happen.
He IS persuasive, though.
To people who don't know what's going on.
Which makes up 90% of this country...
does sensationalist attempted brainwashing cause global warming?
I can understand his point though. There is a percentage out there who, unfortunately, fall into Thompson’s' ideal category of 'trained on video games to learn to kill'. But that is an extremely small percentage considering how many high school students, college students and adults actually play video games. It just takes that one or two individuals to mess it up for everyone and unfortunately cost the lives of several people and scar many others emotionally. I just wish Mr. Thompson would wait for evidence (physical, medical and whatever else can be found) and respect the grieving period for those affected by such tragedies.
I'll end my rant with one quote.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
Personally I play a lot of flying simulations, Rainbow 6 Vegas, Katamari, and City of Heroes. That does not mean that I'm a pilot, a Special Ops agent, a ball rolling alien, or a super hero. Although I wouldn’t mind being a pilot.
However, I have yet to hear of a shooting in which the suspect was dressed like cloud or master chief. Maybe he's gonna predict one like that too in his next book.